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==Short-changed on a train ticket?==
<small>''A userfied essay of sorts''</small>
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | A ride on the [[WP:POV railroad]] is an uncomfortable one; hope it's a short one.<br/> If you've ever been on such a ride, an important lesson learned is how to whistle for<br/>  a cab when you hear the whistle of the train. Learn to recognize the early signs as it<br/> approaches the station, lest you find yourself waving goodbye from the caboose.<br/>{{P|grin}} [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 18:03, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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A few early signs of a train approaching on the [[WP:POV railroad]]:

#First sign - when there is no locomotive smoke and the conductor must create a way to make the engineer look guilty. Some may refer to such a tactic as misrepresenting the engineer's contributions out of context.
#Once the first train ride has ended, and you're back at work trying to improve and build the railway, the opposition tries to shortchange you again with the same used ticket, and attempts to convince others <sup>(while doing what they falsely accused you of doing)</sup> that you never should have returned to work.
#When previous attempts failed to get you back on that train, the opposition resorts to projecting their bad behavior onto you despite no locomotive smoke <sup>(again, doing what they falsely accused you of doing)</sup>; <big><big>🚩🚩🚩🛤  </big></big> you may be on the fast track.  Some may see your collaboration as verbose whereas those who AGF will see it as an attempt to reach consensus in a controversial topic area that requires diversity and the freedom to express one's thoughts and ideas in an effort to comply with NPOV.
<br/><center><big><big><span style="color: teal">Writing for the opponent</span></big></big></center>
"Writing for the opponent is an important trait of good editors. They must be able to divorce themselves from their own POV so much that they can bend over backwards to aid in the writing of content which documents views they do not like. They must never block the inclusion of content which opposes their own POV or political positions. If they cannot do this, they should recuse themselves from the topic and edit in other areas. Editors who are unwilling or unable to write for the opponent are incapable of truly understanding or abiding by the NPOV policy. As such they will always cause problems." 
<small>''(see [[WP:NPOV means neutral editors, not neutral content]])''</small>
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*[[WP:NOTPOINTY]]
*[[Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing#Distinguished_from_productive_editing]]

==Evaluation of diffs==
Diffs that don't have an explanation don't need one - they are innocuous.  In a nutshell, these diffs represent a compilation of fairly innocuous diffs [taken out of context, cherrypicked from the TPs of highly controversial topics, and then organized into groups [[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American_politics_2#Amendment_request:_American_Politics_2_(June_2018)| prepended by aspersions]] to create the appearance of disruption.  The articles were subject to DS 1RR-consensus required restrictions, which often leads to lively debate when seeking consensus, resulting in higher levels of frustration.  

; Group 1 - {{font color|red|innocuous diffs, commented on a few - major time sink - (this group was prepended with the aspersion  [[WP:GASLIGHTING]]) - fast forward to }}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=826046888&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 16, 2018] - factual comment 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=826070784&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 16, 2018] - civil response after being accused of deception
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827080951&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 22, 2018] - civil response about content - see [https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2017-11/Nic%20Newman%20and%20Richard%20Fletcher%20-%20Bias%2C%20Bullshit%20and%20Lies%20-%20Report.pdf Reuters-Oxford 2017 Report] 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827120820&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 22, 2018] - civil response after being called delusional - linked to RS that supported my position  
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827396526&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 24, 2018] - civil response with sources - consensus agreed with me.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827414221&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 24, 2018] - discussing editorial judgment, compared content in various sources
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=828181931&diff=prev&diffmode=source March 1, 2018] - provided link to BBC article that supported my position
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=839626660&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 4, 2018] - provided diffs that supported reasons to wait before including material…
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=841104660&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 14, 2018] 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=841985385&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 19, 2018] - normal iVote in an RfC 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=844902011&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 7, 2018] 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=846403891&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 18, 2018] - a bit verbose, will work at brevity
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=846579762&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 19, 2018] 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=846482193&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 19, 2018] - Facts w/RS
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=846576243&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 19, 2018] - Response to suggestion to include audio of a baby crying
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=847369038&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 24, 2018] - response to editor wanting to use WikiVoice for a contentious label

; Group 2 - {{font color|red|more of the same innocuous diffs}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=812940258&diff=prev&diffmode=source Nov 17, 2018] - 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=828808407&diff=prev&diffmode=source March 4, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=832819226&diff=prev&diffmode=source March 28, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=834435042&diff=prev&diffmode=source April 5, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=839292583&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 2, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=839652228&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 4, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=841106731&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 14, 2018] - factual; could've toned it down a bit
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=841115045&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 14, 2018] - civil discussion over terminology
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=841265883&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 14, 2018] - civil discussion, check verbosity
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=844883323&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 7, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=844799396&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 7, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=844983465&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 8, 2018] - civil 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=846523092&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 19, 2018] - facts
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=847067901&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 22, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=847374241&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 24, 2018] - responded to aspersions - defused claim with a bit of levity and explained with diffs
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=847666709&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 26, 2018] - civil - see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Donald_Trump/Archive_87#Travel_ban this close] as it explains the discussion in context

;Group 3 - {{font color|red|nothing here, either}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=809503278&diff=prev&diffmode=source Nov 9, 2017]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=826428486&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 19, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827015057&diff=prev&diffmode=source Febr 22, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827090213&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 22, 2018]
#[[Talk:Racial views of Donald Trump/Archive 4#Central Park jogger case|February 27, 2018]]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=828824848&diff=prev&diffmode=source March 4, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=837744269&diff=prev&diffmode=source April 22, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=845593247&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 12, 2018]

;{{font color|red|A deceptive misrepresentation about sources:}}
{{Anchor|sources}}
*Although she often complains about clickbaith sources, she is apparently OK with using source like [[The Daily Caller]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827448925&diff=prev&diffmode=source][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827979301&diff=prev&diffmode=source], [[Breitbart News|Breitbart]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=640953297&diff=prev&diffmode=source], [[World Net Daily]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=794342192&diff=prev&diffmode=source], [[Daily Wire]], and [[RedState]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=814112817&diff=prev&diffmode=source]
;{{font color|red|Explanation for above allegations presented in context below}}
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827448925&diff=prev&diffmode=source [7]]- re: The Daily Caller - about an actual quote in the DC article that was corroborated by C-Span and the NYTimes;
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827979301&diff=prev&diffmode=source [8]] a bit of harmless levity; see WP: RSN [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_222#Black_Lives_Matter discussion] regarding acceptable uses - ''"and (2) Heat Street, PJ Media, and the Daily Caller are not reliable for statements of fact and can only be used, rarely and with proper in-text attribution, for the opinions of particular authors."'' Neutrality 9:49 am, 4 March 2017 (UTC−6)”
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=640953297&diff=prev&diffmode=source [9]]  Breitbart [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=640953297&diff=prev&diffmode=source#Breitbart_again discussion] at WP:RS/N - it was about citing that source to the following quote by a Breitbart editor:  
{{talkquote|Commenting on the reception, Breitbart editor Ben Shapiro said “It is absurd to have movie critics critiquing the politics of documentaries professionally; they seem unable to separate their artistic sensibilities from their political ones.” (ref: Shapiro, Ben (July 15, 2014). "7 Movies Critics Like Better Than D'Souza's 'America'". Breitbart. Retrieved 16 July 2014.)}}
 *[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=794342192&diff=prev&diffmode=source [10]] World Net Daily - it was the topic of a [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=794342192&diff=prev&diffmode=source discussion] at both WP:RS/N and [[Talk:Suicide_of_Vince_Foster]]#Miguel_Rodriguez regarding challenged material - the question was about citing the source for the published resignation letter of Rodriguez. Sidebar note: if it’s acceptable to cite BuzzFeed in the 1st paragraph of the lead of [[Trump-Russia dossier]], then citing WND as proposed is also acceptable - context matters.  
*Daily Wire, RedState [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=814112817&diff=prev&diffmode=source [11]] -  I made 3 edits to [[Sean Hannity]], and 20 edits on TP.  In this case, both sources published a video that corroborated the quote another editor suggested including in the named section, [[Sean_Hannity#Political_commentary,_controversies,_and_criticism]].  Keeping in mind the fact that while RS were cited for that article, among them were primary, tertiary, and RS that are considered competitors of Hannity, plus questionable sources I had nothing to do with, including Buzz Feed, Pink News, various press releases, local newspapers, National Review, The Daily Intelligencer, The American Conservative, The Daily Beast, etc.

;Group 4 {{font color|red|more of the same, but with a few that reflect badly on my accuser}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GoldenRing&diff=prev&oldid=813712201&diffmode=source December 4, 2017] (User talk page) - in context, it was a response to a t-banned editor wrongfully denying that his t-ban applied to a specific article. He inflated the situation, [[Special:Diff/813713254|Dec 4, 2017]] attacked me, then filed a case against me at AE [[Special:Diff/813718253|Dec 4, 2017]] in retaliation.  Initially began discussion on TP of admin Golden Ring who imposed VM’s t-ban, and asked for clarity. 	
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=825356273&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 12, 2018] - civil response to question
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=826514838&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 12, 2018] - cited policy to clear-up confusion in normal survey discussion
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=826988314&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 22, 2018] - civil discussion
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827080412&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 22, 2018] - response to [[Special:Diff/827016424|this]]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827121360&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 22, 2018] - taken out of context it doesn't make sense, so see the following: [[Talk:Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump/Archive_2#Weight_&_Balance_issues]],  I attempted to encourage discussion but 2 editors disrupted my attempt. A 3rd editor made excellent suggestions: [[Special:Diff/827121110|best way]] to stop accusations of whether it’s racist or not is to define scope of article; and [[Special:Diff/827127688|article]] survived lengthy AfD, let discussion stay open a few more days.  
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827779604&diff=prev&diffmode=source February 26, 2018] - factual
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=828987895&diff=prev&diffmode=source March 5, 2018] - I did let frustration get the best of me, including [[Special:Diff/828957056|March 5 2018]] stonewalling, and misrepresentations [[Special:Diff/828940156|March 5 2018]] and telling others what they can or can’t say [[Special:Diff/828979829|March 5 2018]].
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=836915210&diff=prev&diffmode=source April 17, 2018] - a civil response to [[Special:Diff/836899368|intimidation]] tactic: "I have to say Atsme, this does look like you're the only one with problem with this material. We have shown numerous sources which highlight the relevance of the Cohen raid with this subject. Pack your PAGs and get onboard. This train is leaving the station! 🚂”  And then he added my name to the section title [[Special:Diff/836898555|April 17, 2018]] when he called for consensus, [[Talk:Trump–Russia dossier/Archive 11#Seeking consensus to restore challenged content]].  As it turned out, ''consensus favored my position'', and proved I wasn’t the only one with a problem - 13 OPPOSE, 4 SUPPORT & 1 REWRITE
#[[Talk:Donald_Trump/Archive_80#"False_statements"_section|May 13, 2018]] - more of the same - contentious labels in WikiVoice - I refer to discussion by [[Special:Diff/846564706|Jimbo on June 19 2018]]   
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump&type=revision&diff=846404614&oldid=846400621&diffmode=source June 18, 2018] - verbose

;Group 5 {{font color|red|more of the same innocuous diffs - I stand by my responses in my iVotes (and in most cases, consensus supported my position).}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=811630927&diff=prev&diffmode=source November 22, 2017]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=841551018&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 16, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=841095288&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 14, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=798397573&diff=prev&diffmode=source September 1, 2017]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=825363644&diff=prev&diffmode=source February 12, 2018] 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=827091564&diff=prev&diffmode=source February 22, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=838248336&diff=prev&diffmode=source April 25, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=844107199&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 2, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=846585116&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 19, 2018]

;Group 6 {{font color|red|more of the same innocuous diffs to create the illusion of patterned behavior}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=795238825&diff=prev&diffmode=source August 12, 2017] - refer to the quotes at the top of the page
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=810949773&oldid=810948834&diffmode=source November 18, 2017] - BLP/N discussion - MrX questioned why I challenged material as noncompliant with BLP (citing WP:Label, WP:BLPSOURCE and WP:V). Masem did a better job of explaining it [[Special:Diff/811330203|Nov 20 2017]] as did another editor [[Special:Diff/812181837|Nov 26 2017]].  It was the start of the holiday season, I had out-of-town guests, so I may not have been 100% accurate as to naming the exact policy, but I stand by the crux of my argument.
#[[User talk:MrX/Archive/October-December 2017#Threats are uncalled for|November 18, 2017]] - the discussion at BLP/N demonstrated that I was correct, so the threat to take me to AE is what needs serious review, not his compilation of innocuous diffs against me.  
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=814213526#Atsme December 5, 2017] - there were several errors in that particular AE, and I've asked GoldenRing to please correct the log. VM violated his t-ban, so when I reverted the edit of a t-banned editor I did not violate BLP DS 1RR/consensus required as alleged, but was warned anyway. The article was under BLP DS/1RR-consensus not AP2 DS, but the subject was strongly connected to Trump politically so it violated VM’s TB.  He attacked me on Golden Ring’s TP because I did not ping him to the discussion, but I could not have since he was t-banned from that topic.  I deflected his attacks, hoping Golden Ring would have stepped in sooner than he did. Golden Ring also incorrectly stated in his decision at AE that he replied to me 7 hours after my initial question to him, but it was actually 3 days, not 7 hours and circumstances had changed.
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&type=revision&diff=815076318&oldid=815068968&diffmode=source December 12, 2017]  
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier&diff=prev&oldid=824066100&diffmode=source February 5, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump&diff=824779544&oldid=824778181&diffmode=source February 9, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump&diff=prev&oldid=828634880&diffmode=source March 3, 2018] 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&type=revision&diff=830816155&oldid=830742103&diffmode=source March 17, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump&type=revision&diff=845025588&oldid=845025184&diffmode=source June 8, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=846632009&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 19, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=846691735&diff=prev&diffmode=source June 20, 2018]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Atsme#Off-topic_comments_and_using_talk_pages_as_a_forum June 27, 2018]

;Group 7 {{font color|red|Misrepresentations mixed with innocuous diffs}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=841340837&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 15, 2018] - Says "material is not necessarily DUE simply because it received "massive coverage" " and seven days later [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=842512067&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 22, 2018] contradicts herself.
*{{font color|red|There was no contradiction. Two comments with different meanings juxtaposed and preprended with aspersions to create his logical fallacy.}} 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=842675593&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 23, 2018] - innocuous
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&diff=831507448&oldid=831502299&diffmode=source March 20, 2018] - Wrongly accused of improper use of rollbock - it was a BLP vio  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Donald_Trump/Archive_75#Why_was_this_edit_removed? explained here.]
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=839680074&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 5, 2017] - innocuous
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*Frequently misuses [[WP:NOTNEWS]] in content disputes.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=846568893&diff=prev&diffmode=source][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Masem&type=revision&diff=844113226&oldid=843835421&diffmode=source][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=844105097&diff=prev&diffmode=source][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=836885648&diff=prev&diffmode=source] 
*{{font color|red|Another misrepresentation with diffs that do not support his NOTNEWS argument - see following explanation}}
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=846568893&diff=prev&diffmode=source 13] Atsme reverted edit - RfC was called - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Donald_Trump/Archive_85#Trump_foundation - consensus] agreed with Atsme:  SNOW close, consensus is clearly to exclude the information.}}
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Masem&type=revision&diff=844113226&oldid=843835421&diffmode=source 14] Masem TP discussion about LU university - [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Masem&diff=next&oldid=844113226 Masem responded]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=844105097&diff=prev&diffmode=source 15] My oppose iVote - RfC on LU’s relationship with Trump - section was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_University#Donald_Trump tagged] May 2018 with UNDUE and BALANCE issues; [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Liberty_University#RfC_on_LU's_relationship_with_Trump informal] local consensus, not community-wide RfC;
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=836885648&diff=prev&diffmode=source 16] - I challenged McClatchy addition - local consensus supported my oppose argument - (4 Support - 1 Rewrite - 13 Oppose) argument was a single source reported info from an anonymous source.
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;Group 8
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=843282828&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 28, 2018] - "We are talking about calling a US President a racist in WikiVoice," - No one was proposing it, or even suggesting it.
*{{font color|red|That is exactly what the discussion was about - just read the proposal.}}

;Group 9 - {{font color|red|More of the same - reflects badly on my accuser}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump/Archive_3#Not_policy_compliant Feb 25, 2018] - my comment "“I remain optimistic that we can work through these issues in a productive, collegial manner and avoid (like the plague) what we've seen happen with other highly controversial topics.” 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=841134398&diff=prev&diffmode=source May 14, 2018] - civil consensus discussion

;Group 10 - {{font color|red|I stand by my comments - they represent civil discussion in a highly controversial environment}}
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=809487222&diff=prev&diffmode=source Nov 9, 2017] 
#[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=824525442&diff=prev&diffmode=source Feb 7, 2018]
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