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== ANI thread ==

Hi DePiep,
You may wish to strike {{tq|3. Go fuck yourself.}} from the ANI thread. Considering the atmosphere of that thread, and that your other comments provide valuable insight, it wouldn't make sense for you to be admonished for the same thing you are commenting on. Even though everyone who has participated in that thread agrees that IM's actions were inappropriate, this comment crosses the same line. Just keep this in mind. [[User:ComplexRational|ComplexRational]] ([[User talk:ComplexRational|talk]]) 00:23, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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== Larry Sanger ==

I am in the process of peer reviewing the article. [[User:QuackGuru|<b style="color: #e34234;">QuackGuru</b>]] ([[User talk:QuackGuru|<span style="color: #B02200;">talk</span>]]) 17:06, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
:Good. I hope my edit was helpful. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 20:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
::Do you want to review it after I review it. We can do this together. This is a problem with most of the content. It is going to be a massive review. I am going to review every single sentence and read every single source. I am also going to check every edit to the article over the last 3 months. I can ping you on the talk page. [[User:QuackGuru|<b style="color: #e34234;">QuackGuru</b>]] ([[User talk:QuackGuru|<span style="color: #B02200;">talk</span>]]) 21:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
:::{{re|QuackGuru}} I'm sorry, I would not be good in this! What I did was: use the ''automated'' spelling check in [[WP:AWB]]. It was the automate that did the edit check.  I can not improve English sentences really. Succes with your edits. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 21:19, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
::::Very well then. Thanks. [[User:QuackGuru|<b style="color: #e34234;">QuackGuru</b>]] ([[User talk:QuackGuru|<span style="color: #B02200;">talk</span>]]) 21:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
:AWB has problems following [[WP:ORDER]]. {{tl|short description}} should be at the top of the article. [[User:Christian75|Christian75]] ([[User talk:Christian75|talk]]) 07:21, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
::Ay, thanks for the heads up. I'll look for it. Is any action (AWB bugreport) active in this that you know of? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 08:27, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
:::I don't know. I haven't used AWB in a very long time. [[User:Christian75|Christian75]] ([[User talk:Christian75|talk]]) 08:43, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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== Reference at [[Template:Periodic table (nutritional elements)/doc]] ==

Hi DePiep,

[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Periodic_table_(nutritional_elements)/doc&diff=491690803&oldid=491690451 This ref] seems mis-placed. Should it go as part of the template itself (so it appears in articles that transclude the table)? [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 13:03, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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== Mass number for undiscovered superheavies ==

Is there a way to get the mass number show up as "(predicted)" for E119 and E121 and "(unconfirmed)" for E120? I see the qualifiers are already in [[Template:Infobox element/symbol-to-saw]] but somehow they don't seem to be showing up at the articles ([[Ununennium]], [[Unbinilium]], and [[Unbiunium]]). [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 10:03, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
:Use <code><nowiki>{{Infobox element/symbol-to-most-stable-isotope|symbol=Uue |format=[]}}</nowiki></code> &rarr; {{Infobox element/symbol-to-most-stable-isotope|symbol=Uue |format=[]}}
:So the values in there are in {{tl|Infobox element/symbol-to-most-stable-isotope}} (m.s.i.). These are complementary to the s.a.w.: when s.a.w. is present, m.s.i. is empty and vice versa. {{para|format|[]}} is optional. The suffix (comment) is automatically, if needed I can make it an option.  The comment is italics because of our infobox habit. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 11:46, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
::Later, I understood you were talking about the infobox not in general (could have been on other pages). ;-) -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 13:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
:::Thank you! Everything looks right now. ^_^ [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 21:15, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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== Overriding the phase field in element infoboxes ==

Is it possible to override the phase field automatically inserted from {{tlx|Infobox element/symbol-to-phase}} in the superheavy element infoboxes? Currently for example {{tlx|Infobox oganesson}} reads "unknown phase ''(predicted)''" under "Phase at STP", which is rather odd: it should really read "solid ''(predicted)''", but only for the infobox (so periodic tables should still give it the unknown phase colour). [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 03:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{done}}: infobox reads {{tlx|Infobox element/symbol-to-phase}} by default, and {{para|phase|any text}} overwrites this value. {{para|phase comment}} nicely can have ''(predicted)'' and a reference. This overwriting currently happens only in infobox Fr(!) and Z=100 - 118 (Fm-Og); I did not change these infoboxes. Z>=119: phase not shown at the moment. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 10:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
::Thank you! As for Fr (and At, really): I am a bit sceptical of those figures and will look around for where they come from, since macroscopic samples of these elements have not been made. Probably they will become "unknown phase" when I find out. ^_^ [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 10:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
:::OK. You may want to edit (update) {{tlx|Infobox element/symbol-to-phase}} for francium. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 10:40, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

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== July 2018 ==

DePiep, I thought you had agreed to stop altering the capitalization of "middle ages" back in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_211&oldid=887348271#Do_we_have_to_capitalize_%22Middle_Ages%22? January], but you seem to have continued doing so, and continued mislabeling it as a "typo" (and labeling your revert as a "minor" edit) in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Medieval_Japanese_literature&diff=889158141&oldid=886471380 March]. Given how you behaved in the January discussion (going out of your way to take offence when I complimented you, and then twice posting "It's resolved -- let's stop talking about it") before going back and doing the same thing two months later with an almost identical edit summary, this seems somewhat tendentious: I would encourage you not to do so again. [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 15:15, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
:Ouch, a very disappointing experience that must be. Maybe it is not all that bad. At the moment I don't have time to respond extensively and carefully, so I will reply later on. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 18:25, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
::[[User talk:Hijiri88]]: you write  {{tq|1=going out of your way to take offence when I complimented you}}. To be clear, do you mean to say that, back in January, I ''deliberately'' misunderstood your wording "useful-ass edit summaries"? (I note that later in that thread, its meaning was clarified and so I struck my objection). 
::Then if it was a compliment re my editsummaries, why do you now write {{tq|1=doing the same thing two months later with an almost identical edit summary, this seems somewhat tendentious}} -- if it was a compliment back then, why do you judge it to be the opposite as a ''blame'' while being 'almost identical'? 
::As for the content of that discussion (capitalising of "middle ages/Middle Ages"), what would you describe is the final conclusion of that MOS-thread? To me it is not clear. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 07:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
:::That definitely seemed to be the case. Your somewhat troll-ish comments elsewhere in the discussion back this up.
:::Yeah, because you would not have an identical edit summary unless you went back and copied the wording you had used earlier, before we had agreed that "middle ages" was acceptable. That means you knew that the edit you were making was disruptive, and your edit summary is evidence of that. That your edit summaries are often useful in establishing your intentions is a good thing, but when your intentions are disruptive ... well, I guess it's still useful when your edit summaries make that clear.
:::The final conclusion was "don't change it", with perhaps a touch of "capitalization is usually only for the European Middle Ages".
:::[[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 23:37, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

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== Different uncertainty-expressing technique ==

I've tried a different method of expressing the uncertainty at [[Template:Chem molar mass/testcases]]. There are doing to be some difficulties, but so far, it seems like it will be much easier than what we were trying before. What do you think? [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 18:07, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|The_Nth_User}} I am active in RL, so have little time to dive into this. Also, I have indicated that without using Lua these calsulations are extremely difficult to program and test. Meanwhile, many months later it is a pity that we did not implement our first, already improved version. Now this is working into Perfect version while skipping the Good. Finally: on [[Template_talk:Chem_molar_mass]] I have added the reference Possolo (2018). It has a defining and authoritative description on how to calculate. It also has examples (to test; I did add them to the testpages). I am still waiting for your statement that says: "Yes, we will go by Possolo (2018)". I cannot check the other uncertainty calculations you introduce, and I don't see why we would use them. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 07:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
::Okay; I'll change it back. Also, while I thought that I had already stated it, I am calculating the uncertainty using the method that Possolo (2018) uses and planning to continue using that method. [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 16:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
:::Fair enough, could not find it right away. (and I lost the location of the Possolo test excamples). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 16:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
:::How do the testcases look now that I restored an earlier version of [[Template:Chem molar mass/format/sandbox]]? I notice that the result in the right column for fluoride at [[Template:Chem_molar_mass/testcases#Test_for_when_enthalpy_of_formation_makes_a_difference]] conflict with the calculations that I made at [[Template_talk:Chem_molar_mass#Enthalpy_of_formation]], but I can't figure out why, as enthalpy of formation is included in the mass calculations. The only other potential problem that I could find is that for carbon dioxide and ozone, the sandbox version gives molar masses that are a little higher than the established version, although this is because I altered the molar mass of oxygen because it didn't fall inside the standard range. (I did the same for thallium.) Can you find any other potential issues? [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 23:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
::::re: NO I WON'T SPEND ANY MORE TIME ON THIS. Is what I said. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 18:56, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

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== GHS errors ==

Can you clear out your recently-created [[:Category:GHS errors]]? The pages in this category are also [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Error&namespace=0 transcluding general errors] and as the guy who patrols and fixes general errors, I can't immediately figure out what to do. So you might just make these populate the category without transcluding {{t|error}}. Thanks, [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 15:31, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
:They ''are'' an error. True, someone should/could clear that out (in the template maybe?), but we cannot ingore the error in there. [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 18:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
::What I'm asking for then is either (1) fix these for me or (2) explain what the errors are and how to fix them. You've put them in the top-priority work queue, so they should be fixed now. [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 18:41, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

:::{{ec}} re [[User:Wbm1058]] I don't understand. These are pages with an error, so they are categorised. What's the issue? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 18:43, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
::::The issue is that I can't find the damn errors! If I can't find them then I can't fix them! [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 18:47, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::Then click & read just only once in that category header. Anyway, stop cursing on my talkpage instead of asking me a question. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 18:53, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::I did ask you a question. Oh, I see. I need to go to the extra trouble to edit and then {{keypress|Show preview}} to see the errors. Thanks for telling me that. [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 19:19, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry, didn't you write {{tq|1=[I'm wbm1058,] the guy who patrols and fixes general errors}} and {{tq|1=[I'm wbm1058,] fix these for me}}? I don't understand your "question" (to ask it nicely). What wiki-commandor-in-chief are you? Of course, I won't {{tq|1=fix these for me [you]}}, nor will I explain more since you did not (even try to) grasp the basic documentation. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 19:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC) -- For the record: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bis(benzene)chromium&diff=prev&oldid=908007127&diffmode=source], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hydroxyl_aluminium_bis(2-ethylhexanoate)&diff=prev&oldid=908007360&diffmode=source], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Tricalcium_aluminate&diff=prev&oldid=908006839&diffmode=source]

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== ''The Signpost'': 29 November 2019 ==

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== ''The Signpost'': 27 December 2019 ==

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== ''The Signpost'': 27 January 2020 ==

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== ''The Signpost'': 30 September 2019 ==

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== Administrators' newsletter – September 2019 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (August 2019).
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:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Project:Requests_for_adminship/Bradv|Bradv]] • [[Project:Requests_for_adminship/Chetsford|Chetsford]] • [[Project:Requests_for_adminship/Izno|Izno]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Floquenbeam 2|Floquenbeam]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/908574249#Resysop request - Lectonar|Lectonar]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:PermanentLink/908788971#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2019#August 2019|DESiegel]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/909206696#Desysop Request (Jake Wartenberg)|Jake Wartenberg]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/908788971#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2019#August 2019|Rjanag]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/908788971#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2019#August 2019|Topbanana]]

[[File:Checkuser Logo.svg|20px|alt=]] '''CheckUser changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:PermanentLink/911513837#Resignation of Callanecc|Callanecc]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/911557236#Changes to functionary team|LFaraone]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/911557236#Changes to functionary team|There'sNoTime]]

[[File:Oversight logo.png|20px|alt=]] '''Oversight changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:PermanentLink/911513837#Resignation of Callanecc|Callanecc]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/911557236#Changes to functionary team|Fox]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/911557236#Changes to functionary team|HJ Mitchell]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/911557236#Changes to functionary team|LFaraone]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/911557236#Changes to functionary team|There'sNoTime]]

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
:* Editors using the mobile website on Wikipedia can opt-in to new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Advanced_mobile_contributions|advanced features]] via your settings page. This will give access to more interface links, special pages, and tools.
:* The advanced version of the edit review pages (recent changes, watchlist, and related changes) [[phab:T201520|now includes]] two new filters. These filters are for "All contents" and "All discussions". They will filter the view to just those namespaces.

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
:* A [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019|request for comment]] is open to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019|2019 English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee election]] and to resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
:* A [[meta:Requests for comment/Creating abusefilter-manager global group|global request for comment]] is in progress regarding whether a user group should be created that could modify [[WP:Edit filter|edit filters]] across all public Wikimedia wikis.

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== Administrators' newsletter – November 2019 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (October 2019).
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:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Girth Summit|Girth Summit]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kees08|Kees08]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:Permalink/919861454#Request for reinstatement (DESiegel)|DESiegel]] • [[Special:Permalink/921872334#Request_return_of_admin_rights_(GB_fan)|GB fan]] • [[Special:Permalink/919199766#Request (MSGJ)|MSGJ]] • [[Special:Permalink/923035617#Resysop request - Voice of Clam|Voice of Clam]] • [[Special:Permalink/919437002#Permissions (WilyD)|WilyD]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:Permalink/922182705#Desysop (DeltaQuad)|DeltaQuad]] • [[Special:Permalink/918944073#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2019#October 2019|Fang Aili ]] • [[Special:Permalink/918944073#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2019#October 2019|Pakaran]]

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:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[meta:Special:Permalink/19479808#DeltaQuad@en.wikipedia|DeltaQuad]] • [[Special:Permalink/918944073#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2019#October 2019|Pakaran]]

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:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:Permalink/919199766#Request (MSGJ)|MSGJ]]

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:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed|L235]] • [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed|Mz7]] • [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed|SQL]] • [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed|ST47]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed|Ivanvector]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[meta:Special:Permalink/19479808#DeltaQuad@en.wikipedia|DeltaQuad]]

[[File:Oversight logo.png|20px|alt=]] '''Oversight changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed|L235]] • [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed|Mz7]] • [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed|ST47]] • [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed| Stwalkerster]] • [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] • [[Special:Permalink/921215740#2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointments: Candidates appointed|Xaosflux]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[meta:Special:Permalink/19479808#DeltaQuad@en.wikipedia|DeltaQuad]] • [[Special:Permalink/922419021#Changes_to_functionary_team|DGG]] • [[meta:Special:Permalink/19426858#Julia_W@enwiki|Julia W]]
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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
:* An [[Special:Permalink/919786962#Resysop_criteria:_RfC_on_principles|RfC was closed]] with the consensus that the [[WP:RESYSOP|resysop criteria]] should be made stricter.
::* The follow-up RfC to develop that change is now open at [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2019 Resysop Criteria (2)]].
:* A [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2019 community sentiment on binding desysop procedure|related RfC]] is seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure.

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
:* Eligible editors may now [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Candidates|nominate themselves as candidates]] for the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019|2019 Arbitration Committee Elections]].  The self-nomination period will close November 12, with voting running from November 19 through December 2.

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== Administrators' newsletter – January 2020 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (December 2019).
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:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy Jazz]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Newslinger|Newslinger]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Rosguill|Rosguill]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:PermanentLink/930187134#Resysop request (Deor)|Deor]] • [[Special:Permalink/931773776#Restoration of Bit (Spartaz)|Spartaz]] • [[Special:Permalink/932465825#Resysop request (Xeno)|Xeno]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:PermanentLink/929389571#Angusmclellan|Angusmclellan]] • [[Special:Permalink/931075117#Desysop request (clpo13)|clpo13]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/929444136#Edgar181 desysopped|Edgar181]] • [[Special:PermaLink/928686444#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#December_2019|Matthewedwards]] • [[Special:PermaLink/928686444#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#December_2019|NCurse]]

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:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Bradv]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Casliber]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|David Fuchs]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Maxim]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Newyorkbrad]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|SoWhy]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Xeno]]

[[File:Oversight logo.png|20px|alt=]] '''Oversight changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Bradv]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Casliber]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|DGG]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|David Fuchs]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Maxim]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Newyorkbrad]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|SoWhy]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Xeno]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:Permalink/932196305#Changes to Oversight team|Someguy1221]]

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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
:* A [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Partial blocks|request for comment]] asks whether [[Wikipedia:Community health initiative on English Wikipedia/Partial blocks|partial blocks]] should be enabled on the English Wikipedia. If enabled, this functionality would allow administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces, rather than the entire site.
:*A [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Proposal:_Procedural_removal_of_admin_rights_who_have_not_used_the_admin_tools_for_a_significant_period_of_time_(maybe_5_years)|proposal]] asks whether admins who don't use their tools for a significant period of time (e.g. five years) should have the toolset procedurally removed.
:*Following a [[Special:Permalink/930227008#RfC on autopatrolling redirects|successful RfC]], a whitelist is now available for users whose [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Redirect autopatrol|redirects will be autopatrolled]] by a bot, removing them from the [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol|new pages patrol]] queue. Admins can add such users to [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist]] after a discussion following the guidelines at [[Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist]].

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
:* The [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4|fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles]] was [[Special:Permalink/931649192#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4 closed|closed]]. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being {{tq|the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted}} rather than {{tq|reasonably construed}}.
:* Following the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019#Results|2019 Arbitration Committee elections]], the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: {{noping|Beeblebrox}}, {{noping|Bradv}}, {{noping|Casliber}}, {{noping|David Fuchs}}, {{noping|DGG}}, {{noping|KrakatoaKatie}}, {{noping|Maxim}}, {{noping|Newyorkbrad}}, {{noping|SoWhy}}, {{noping|Worm That Turned}}, {{noping|Xeno}}.

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
:*This issue marks three full years of the [[WP:ANEWS|Admin newsletter]].  Thanks for reading!

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== Administrators' newsletter – February 2020 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (January 2020).
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:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ergo Sum|Ergo Sum]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/QEDK|QEDK]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Wugapodes|Wugapodes]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:Permalink/937760520#Resysop request (Dennis Brown)|Dennis Brown]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:PermaLink/933443338#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2020#January_2020|Aude]] • [[Special:Permalink/938226962#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Portals Closed|BrownHairedGirl]] • [[Special:PermaLink/933443338#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2020#January_2020|CALR]] • [[Special:PermaLink/933443338#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2020#January_2020|Jengod]] • [[Special:PermaLink/933443338#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2020#January_2020|John Reaves]] • [[Special:PermaLink/933443338#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2020#January_2020|J.smith]] • [[Special:PermaLink/934429892#Request_removal_of_admin_rights_(Kim_Dent-Brown)|Kim Dent-Brown]] • [[Special:PermaLink/933443338#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2020#January_2020|K1Bond007]] • [[Special:PermaLink/933443338#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2020#January_2020|MECU]] • [[Special:PermaLink/933443338#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2020#January_2020|Refdoc]] • [[Special:Permalink/938598297#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RHaworth closed|RHaworth]]
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[[File:Checkuser Logo.svg|20px|alt=]] '''CheckUser changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Opabinia regalis]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Premeditated Chaos]]

[[File:Wikipedia Interface administrator.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Interface administrator changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:Permalink/938070845#Inactive interface administrators 2020-01-28|Ragesoss]]
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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
:* Following a [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Partial blocks|request for comment]], [[Wikipedia:Community health initiative on English Wikipedia/Partial blocks|partial blocks]] are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site.  A draft policy is being workshopped at [[Wikipedia:Partial blocks]].
:* The [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2019 community sentiment on binding desysop procedure|request for comment]] seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure closed with {{tq|wide-spread support for an alternative desysoping procedure based on community input}}.  No proposed process received consensus.

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
:* [[WP:TW|Twinkle]] now supports [[Special:Permalink/937388663#January 2020 Twinkle updates, features, and behaviors (2020-01-24)|partial blocking]].  There is a small checkbox that toggles the "partial" status for both blocks and templating.  There is currently one template: {{tl|uw-pblock}}.
:* When trying to move a page, if the target title already exists then a warning message is shown. The warning message will now include a link to the target title. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184357]

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
:* Following a [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RHaworth|recent arbitration case]], the Arbitration Committee reminded administrators {{tq|that checkuser and oversight blocks must not be reversed or modified without prior consultation with the checkuser or oversighter who placed the block, the respective functionary team, or the Arbitration Committee.}}

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
:* Voting in the [[:meta:Stewards/Elections 2020|2020 Steward elections]] will begin on 08 February 2020, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2020, 13:59 (UTC). The [[:meta:Stewards/Confirm/2020|confirmation process]] of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically [https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/accounteligibility/52 check your eligibility] to vote.
:* The English Wikipedia has reached [[WP:6M|six million articles]]. Thank you everyone for your contributions!


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== Administrators' newsletter – December 2019 ==

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== EMA in infobox drug ==

Thank you very much for your feedback on this. I will look into it. A possible interim solution could be to remove the broken 'by INN' links for now and just link to the EMA medicines search page. [[User:Libby EMAcomm|Libby EMAcomm]] ([[User talk:Libby EMAcomm|talk]]) 08:10, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|Libby EMAcomm}} '''Then publish your API, ffs'''. (oh and thanks for prescribing how we should organise our site. Remembers me, two years ago, we had the same situation and editiors like me spend a million of hours to get it right). <small>BTW, why on userpage now?</small>-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 00:01, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

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== Unicode compliant font ==

Did you notice that you made a red link? (If you meant [[Unicode font]], many articles have a short introduction to the article where more detailed information is to be found. That is what I am trying to achieve). --[[User:Red King|Red King]] ([[User talk:Red King|talk]]) 21:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
:Yes I know. Intentionally: I think article title [[Unicode font]]  should be [[Unicode compliant font]] (so let's move it). Nice you noted this. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 21:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
::I think you would be very well advised to invite consensus before you do that move, rather than just [[wP:be bold]]! --[[User:Red King|Red King]] ([[User talk:Red King|talk]]) 21:38, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
:::I will not move anything. I just propose it. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 21:41, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

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== Mathematical symbols ==

I'm curious to know why logic symbols are "in" but mathematical symbols are "out". I thought I was rectifying an omission but won't argue your reversion as sorting out the box is the priority now. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 22:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
:IMO No, logic symbols could/should be out ''too''. There is a grey line between "punctuatios" and  "symbols". (currency symbol is punctuation???). Ayway, after the split it becomes more easy. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 23:12, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
::Good, that makes more sense, inconsistent treatment bothers me. I'd give it 48 hours if I were you and then just [[wp:BEBOLD]] and split it. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 23:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
:::Yes, giving it a few days at least is good. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 08:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

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== Work in progress? ==

Presumably this is just an artefact of a work in progress but, on editing [[pound symbol]] just now (which invokes <nowiki>{{punctuation|£}}</nowiki>), an error message "unknown parameter 1=£" (or words to that effect) appears in preview. It has no obvious effect on the live version of the article. FYI only, no need to reply.--[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 09:50, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
::Yes, introducing named parameters {{para|mark}} and {{para|name}} (replacing {{para|1, 2, caption}}). But the old names still function, so you can ignore the message. (I will edit that article to make it clean). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 09:59, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Were you aware of [[:template:Infobox certification mark]]? I don't suggest you should integrate it, rather that it might be a suitable template (sic) to emulate when splitting out currency symbols. They certainly don't belong with punctuation. --[[User:Red King|Red King]] ([[User talk:Red King|talk]]) 17:05, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks, good point. I'll keep that one nearby when doing the split. Sure currency is higly questionable in there. Anyway, after a split these things are simpler to clean up. (Also, the new infobox can be expanded with extra fields indeed). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 17:12, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

===No, it doesn't work===
It's a pity you didn't invite comment before going live, it is too substantial to just [[wp:BEBOLD]]. Looking at the currencies in particular, I see a sidebox loaded with irrelevant junk (in that specific context). Currencies and other special symbols are not punctuation and it makes no sense to munge them into a mixum-gatherum. Hiding sections might work, but I doubt it. For now, I shall have to comment out the infobox from the currency symbol articles. Let me know when you have a new proposal. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 16:11, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
:The infobox part works (apart from the odd name), the issue is the sidebar. I was going to suggest a 'currencies only' sidebar but there is already a navbar at the end of currency articles that does that. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 16:16, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
::(ec): What??? 1. I proposed the split, and I performed it as proposed & supported. ''this did not change the content of the Sidebar list''. The junk you see was already present in the previous box. 2. Also, I noted: changes can be applied & proposed ''from here''. (As a matter of fact, the /sandbox is showing what I am working on. Might not surprise you). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 16:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
:::I confess to a bit of a knee-jerk reaction because the split [which I supported and continue to support] had the effect of exposing how really inappropriate the old model is/was. Compare the [[rouble sign]] now (after I cut the sidebar) with what it was, admittedly it is the worst case I saw. Your infobox works well for currencies because they can be difficult to read at the standard font size so I expect it is going to work equally well for other symbols. But as for the rest of the sidebar, frankly I can't see the point. A navbar does the same job, but less intrusively - see for example [[:Currency symbols]]. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 19:16, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
::::(ec)All fine. I think {{tl|Infobox currency}}, which is the sole infobox to be used there I guess, can show the symbol bigger & clearer, esp the non-Latin ones. Meanwhile, see the infobox in [[dagger (typography)]] for changes :-) -- it was your earlier (original) request before the split. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 19:24, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

:::Where is the sandbox you mention? Your own says deleted and template doesn't seem to have one. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 19:19, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
::::In {{tl|Sidebar_punctuation_marks/sandbox}} I prepared the change: remove currency. Now live. Also I removed the Sidebar from all currency articles. As you prefer, I understand. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 19:24, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
:::::That (navbar) looks a lot more professional. Applause. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 23:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

===Commented out line===
Just a note to say that I should have told you that I was commenting out the punctuation template calls in currencty articles, so that it could be reinstated easily if needed. So thank you for just getting on and removing them, you could have just asked me to do it. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 23:24, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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== New Infobox currency sign ==

I have blatantly copied your [[:template:infobox punctuation mark]] to create [[:template:infobox currency sign]]. When you can spare a few minutes, would you look it over for me please as it is my first infobox. One item I notice is that in a couple of places you've written just 'punctuation' rather than 'punctuation mark': is that significant or just an oversight during the change of name? --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 20:32, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
:It should be used: "[[Punctuation]]" is the ''topic'' of punctuation marks. that is: more in general.
:I cold take a fast look. What you can do:
''List the parameters you need. I'd say:

(TOP:)
:symbol, symbol name, unicode, other names, image+caption, language, script, symbol when plural, name plural

CURRENCY (all can be plural, so there are sets: currnam1, country1; currname2, country2)
:curr name, country, is historical?, subunit & symbol (eg cents)

SEE ALSO
:see also (eg, pound sign also used for ...), related, 
:Variants

:-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 20:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
::You have just proved that I am trying to swim out of my depth! I'm afraid that I don't understand your suggestions. <blush>.
::Pound sign: there is only one (the two bar version is just a font choice, same code point). The [[Egyptian pound]] is quite different.
::[[Yen sign]] is a bit more complicated because (a) the same symbol is used for the Yuan and (b) there is a 'normal' width and a 'wide' width.
::The [[Cifrão]] doesn't have a unicode code point. The consortium decided that it was just a double barred dollar sign  = font choice. So on wikipedia we have an svg for it so I have no idea how to fit it into this template.
::Others? 
::Some of your other ideas seem to fork [[:template:Infobox currency]] so obviously I don't want to do that. 
::I'll leave it a few days before going ahead. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
:::I'll have to quit too. I can build some demo within a week... -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 21:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

===Reinventing the wheel: Wiktionary did it first and better===
{{wiktionary|£}}
I've just stumbled on an entry at wiktionary for £ (and also for yen etc) and it seems like someone there has already done everything we could  want and more. So right now I think I should abandon my draft and find out out how to transclude (sic?) the wiktionary code into en.wiki. Do you agree? --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 23:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
:Sure, ofcourse. Still I will make a demo infobox that ''reads'' informnmation from Wikidata, and ''presents'' it in an infobox here? Will look later. (see eg telescope info, [[Mount Wilson Observatory]]). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 07:23, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
::The Wiktionary code is not free-standing so I will abandon that idea. Your last edit to [[pound sign]] looks good enough to me. (The challenge that the minimal infobox is pointless was fair, but I think it is good now). We still need to deal with the narrow and wide forms, as mentioned above. (We really should discuss this at an article or template talk page, not your personal talk page. So if you can explain your ideas above in more detail, please use [[Template talk:Infobox currency sign]]). --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 17:50, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
:::OK. BTW, I misread: you wrote Wikktrionary, I only replied re WikiData... -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 18:10, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

===Font sampler for one-bar and two-bar dollar signs===
I have asked Kes47 at Commons if they would make a font sampler showing a mix of styles. I think it will be a better use of your new 'variant' argument than the euro one (which was a good edit in principle but unfortunately it was needed more where it was, explaining that the typefounders decided that typeface consistency was more important that a blind copy of a rotating sign outside the ECB). --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 19:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

===Unexplained error condition===
[deleted material after moving to the template talk page]
:1st replies:
:'''A.''' Go to [[Template talk:Infobox currency sign]]. How is this personal? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 21:07, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
::It isn't. As you largely wrote the template, I felt you might know straight off. As you wish. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]])

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== MOS and NBSP ==

Hello,

In regards to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isotopes_of_iron&curid=2527048&diff=944511845&oldid=944465892] and <code>&#38;nbsp;</code>, [[MOS:NBSP|the MOS page]] states that {{tq|it is desirable to prevent line breaks where breaking across lines might be confusing or awkward.}}. When representing units, as shown by the examples with abbreviations and that can be generalized to written-out names, it ''does'' appear awkward when a line break appears between a number and its attached unit. This is especially noticeable on mobile devices with narrower screens, and in captions for fixed-width images; that is why I have been adding them to some articles. The MOS does not explicitly ''forbid'' such edits, and seeing as it does makes prose more comfortably readable, I don't see where the problem is and I'm having trouble following your reasoning. Could you please explain why you disagree with {{u|R8R}} and I on the use of <code>&#38;nbsp;</code> in these articles? [[User:ComplexRational|ComplexRational]] ([[User talk:ComplexRational|talk]]) 21:46, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
:I have replied already. The consequence of this edit would be that almost all articles could need this change&mdash;it is called "style" for a reason. I think this should be discussed at the MOS talkpage. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 22:34, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

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== Template editor ==

Hey! I've noticed that you seem to have made several template editing requests recently; have you considered becoming a [[WP:PERM/TE|Template editor]] yourself? I daresay you know more than I do! {{=P}}. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' ([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]]) 16:49, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
:Lost that bit some time ago, I don't mind that much. Working this way, it mkaes me prepare & test the edits very well :-) -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 16:51, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

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== Punctuation navbox? ==

I like the split of that enormous redundant box you did, but would it be better to put the whole mess down in a horizontal navbox at the bottoms of the articles? The [[Ordinal indicator]] article in particular has had to be edited to put images together at the bottom rather than the more useful positions of being adjacent to the text describing them due to the sidebar size.[[User:Spitzak|Spitzak]] ([[User talk:Spitzak|talk]]) 19:39, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
:Yes, quite obvious. Go ahead! (or do you want me to make steps?) I suggest you start a talk/proposal at [[Template talk:Sidebar punctuation marks]], and use the sandbox in there. (I think there are multiple content improvements possible too, e.g., re groups present, but that can be done always). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 19:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
::I'm not an expert at this at all, but I did determine that replacing "sidebar" with "navbox" was not sufficient to make it look correct. You might want to do it if you are familiar with the templates.[[User:Spitzak|Spitzak]] ([[User talk:Spitzak|talk]]) 19:54, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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== Topic ban and editing restriction ==

From [[Wikipedia:Editing restrictions#DePiep]]:

* DePiep is indefinitely topic-banned from all edits related to WP:DYK, broadly construed. This topic ban may be appealed in not less than six months from the enactment of these sanctions <small>[ Enacted 29 May 2018 ]</small>.
* DePiep is placed indefinitely under an editing restriction, in which he is subject to immediate sanction (including blocks) if he makes any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, or personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith. This restriction may be appealed in not less than six months from the enactment of these sanctions <small>[ Enacted 29 May 2018 ]</small>.
* DePiep may regain permissions as a template editor only by way of a successful application at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions.
* DePiep is reminded to engage in good faith discussion, and to communicate clearly, with other editors about any contentious edits he might make or consider making, and to consider other editors' concerns with respect.

Related: [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive984#DePiep and DYK]].

--[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 17:38, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

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== Typo "corrections" ==

You recently edited [[Being Impossible]] and claimed to fix typos, but instead only introduced spelling errors. Please be more careful and check what you are editing next time. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 18:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
:Sure. Also, in such cases {{tl|lang}} could be used, esp when working for GA-level. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 19:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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== Insignificant edit with AWB ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=The_Faith_of_Graffiti&diff=prev&oldid=942886142 This edit] to [[The Faith of Graffiti]] appears to have been an "insignificant edit" (no effect on the rendered page) made with AWB, in violation of [[WP:AWBRULES]], rule 4. Please do not make edits like this, especially when there were [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=The_Faith_of_Graffiti&type=revision&diff=942890717&oldid=942886142 substantive changes needed]. 

[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=The_Education_of_Everett_Richardson&diff=prev&oldid=942886190 This edit] to [[The Education of Everett Richardson]] also appears to be an insignificant edit made with AWB. Please do not make such edits. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:47, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

:I slightly disagree with your re "insignificant" (as in '... is generally considered an insignificant edit'). Central point is that these articles are listed as [[WP:GAN]], and so outside editors are requested to take a thorough look i.e., spend serious time on it. The edits you refer to are intended to improve the article code, so as to make the checks by other editors, unfamiliar with the code quirks, easier&mdash;especially when glancing at & working in source code. For this, imo these edits are helpful improvements because they ''reduce distraction and hard-to-follow source code''. For example, personally I would change <code>&lt;ref name="Greatest">&lt;/ref></code> outside of AWB too in these situations (usually in an upgrade period cooperating with multiple editors). OTOH, truely insignificant-only edit suggestions in such an AWB-run I have skipped manyfold. Interestingly, in these AWB-runs remarkably many editors send me a ThankYou note while these are usually just minor edits; iow appreciation shown. Finally, you noting that "there were substantive changes needed" is both correct and not relevant: nowhere on this wiki is there any *requirement* to make an edit. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 15:43, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
::As far as I can tell, you made insignificant edits (no change in the rendered code) with AWB, which is a violation of AWB rule 4. There is no exception for the AWB user's intent, as far as I know, and there is no exception for edits that result in someone clicking a Thank link. The change to the ref tags, for example, may have been a useful cleanup of the wikitext, but it was still an insignificant edit by the definition of [[WP:AWBRULES]] and therefore a violation. As someone who has been blocked and placed on edit restrictions repeatedly, you should probably be more careful. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:50, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
:::I quoted the rule, which shows there is no 'list of exceptions', while there ''is'' leeway for discussion (however small it may be), to which I referred. Your last sentence does not sound like an argument btw. Anyway, I understand that you disagree wrt my point re GAN improvements, and so I will be more restrictive as requested. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 14:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

And on the other side of the coin, I would welcome a run of AWB on [[Milton Keynes]], which I edited up to GA standard a few months back. I would hate to find silly errors in it that could easily have been uncovered automatically. If there is some trivial collateral damage such as is being moaned about above, I consider that a small price to pay. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 15:17, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
:Done. Appears non-trivial. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 15:41, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
::My thanks to you and Jonesey95 for finding an embarrassingly large number of [[foot fault]]s. And to think that I has considered nominating the article as an FAC! <blush>. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 14:50, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

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== lead nitrate ==

Please look at [[lead(II) nitrate]] and associated talk page for suggestions concerning the chem box. [[User:Petergans|Petergans]] ([[User talk:Petergans|talk]]) 17:13, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

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== drug infobox adding rx norm fetch from wikidata ==

I wanted to ask you for guidance on how to best add rxnorm fetching to infobox drug. I worked on template medica resources but the code for drug box seems much more complex. Here is the logic I plan to use: for ciclopirox

 {{wdib |ps=2 |P3345 |qid=Q419468}}

I would than add a link to the code.

Like this

{{wdib |ps=1 |qid={{{QID|Q419468}}} |P3345 |linkprefix=https://mor.nlm.nih.gov/RxNav/search?searchBy=RXCUI&searchTerm= |{{{ICD10|}}}}}

The template seems to use parameters and then build the box?

[[User:EncycloABC|EncycloABC]] ([[User talk:EncycloABC|talk]]) 13:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|EncycloABC}}, please note that this user is currently blocked and may not be watching this page. You therefore may want to ask this at a relevant noticeboard or talk page. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 07:17, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
::{{admin help|answered=yes}}
::Admin, obviously I am blocked. Could you clarify whether it is acceptable if I would reply to this editor (OP)? I am not sure if current editing rights on my talkpage include topics not related to the block. A reply would only be informative, not controversial (& I will not allow a discussion here). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 10:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
:::While blocked, you should only be using this page to request unblock, as that is the only reason you are permitted access to it.  You should not be using it for other purposes. If you want to aid other editors, you need to make a successful unblock request or wait for the block to expire. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:54, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
::::OK. I may have to wait 3 months then. [[User:EncycloABC|EncycloABC]] ([[User talk:EncycloABC|talk]]) 21:27, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

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==[[:Category:Isotope content page]] has been nominated for discussion==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:Category:Isotope content page]]''', which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the [[Wikipedia:Categorization|categorization]] guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 9#Category:Isotope content page|the category's entry]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|categories for discussion]] page.<!-- Template:Cfd-notify--> Thank you. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 21:18, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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== Hydrogen-2 and hydrogen-3 ==

I noticed that you re-added these redirects into [[:Category:Isotope content page]]. I do not understand exactly why – the inclusion of redirects seems to contradict the idea of a content page – so I was about to re-remove the category. Browsing the history, however, I saw that you noted in an edit summary "it is part of the design", so could you please explain what you meant by that (or what the justification is for a seeming contradiction)? [[User:ComplexRational|ComplexRational]] ([[User talk:ComplexRational|talk]]) 01:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
:I created that category. My design purpose was (also) to have a list, accessible by automate. For example when reverse-engineer those articles ("list all isotopes of element X that have an article").
:Shortly after creation, the category was challenged ''and attacked, I dare say, for deletion'' at CfD. Also there were other related "contests" by the same editor (I call attacks, notdiscussions; even PA's). Multiple side 'discussions' were initiated (by editsummaries &mdash; and at talkpages ''by me'', not the edit warring editor), but none resulted in a conclusion per CfD. So: I say these side-talks did not mature in any change.
:Now TBH, {{U|ComplexRational}}, apart from the clear and crisp CfD line of reasoning we had to pull ''out of the dirty thread it was'', I do not whish to be challenged on this issue. The design & purpose of the category I made is sound & serious. If you want to challenge me on ''manintenace'' issues: pls do so. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 01:51, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

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== November 2019 (1) ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of [[Special:Contributions/DePiep|your recent contributions]], such as the edit you made to [[:Hydrogen-2]], did not appear constructive and has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines|policies and guidelines]]. You can find information about these at our [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|welcome page]] which also provides further information about [[Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia|contributing constructively to this encyclopedia]]. If you only meant to make test edits, please use [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|the sandbox]] for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. ''[[Hydrogen-2]] and [[Hydrogen-3]] are redirects, not content pages, and should not be added to tracking categories that are specifically designed to have articles in them, and not redirects. Do not re-add those against consensus.''<!-- Template:uw-disruptive1 --> &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 04:00, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
:And to make things crystal-clear, the non-redirect pages [[Deuterium]] and [[Tritium]] are already in the category. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 04:02, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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== April 2019 ==
:# DePiep: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Juliana_of_the_Netherlands&diff=894599149&oldid=894599051&diffmode=source] edit 1, es: "→‎Marriage: all or none"
:# Andy Dingley: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Juliana_of_the_Netherlands&diff=894599923&oldid=894599149&diffmode=source] rv es: "Restore birth of two oldest children. Why would you delete this??"
:# DePiep: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Juliana_of_the_Netherlands&diff=894600639&oldid=894599923&diffmode=source] es: "Undid revision 894599923 by Andy Dingley (talk) as I wrote in my es: all (7) children or none. Not that hared is it?" 
:#.
;also [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&diff=839982274&oldid=839981787&diffmode=source]
:(Another weird ANI)
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px">[[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]]<div style="margin-left:45px">You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 month''' for persistently making [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive edits]].  Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. </div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)</div></div><!-- Template:uw-disruptblock -->
:{{ping|MSGJ}} How should I find another editor to work with on Template:Chem molar mass/sandbox while DePiep is blocked? There's something wrong with the template pipeline that I set up, and I have no idea what. [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 00:21, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
::You could ask for help at [[WP:VPT]] &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:11, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Thank you. I have just made a new section there about it. [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 20:58, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1008#DePiep_edit-warring_at_Juliana_of_the_Netherlands_and_threats_of_%22You_better_behave%22]
::Really and sincerely, [[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]], could you clarify (with diffs preferably) what actually was my "disruptive editing"? Rereading this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1008#DePiep_edit-warring_at_Juliana_of_the_Netherlands_and_threats_of_%22You_better_behave%22 ANI tread] I only read personal impressions, not a factual trespassing. OP Dingley really wrote "I'm sick of this sort of attitude from them." &mdash; how could I argue with this? (mind us, this was in their OP ANI complaint) Actually, as I wrote already then, the OP (accusor) failed WP:BRD themselves. So what exactly was my bad behaviour? (Ofcourse, "You were blocked before so you deserve a block" is not sound). As the threads shows, *I* (DePiep) was the one who followed WP:BRD. So please clarify you "disruptive editing" conclusion. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 21:41, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
:::I am on holiday at the moment and not spending much time on Wikipedia. If you still want me to answer any questions, I should be available sometime next week &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:57, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
{{unblock reviewed | 1=([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1008#DePiep_edit-warring_at_Juliana_of_the_Netherlands_and_threats_of_%22You_better_behave%22 ANI thread]) I ask for unblocking me. However. I do not and cannot honestly claim to "I understand my error, and I have learned so I will not do so again" (as the prescribed Unblock request requires). Because such "error" was not explained or did not even exist. Instead, I explicitly ask unblocking because the complete [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1008#DePiep_edit-warring_at_Juliana_of_the_Netherlands_and_threats_of_%22You_better_behave%22 ANI thread] is, let me say, immature. (In detail: I (!) did follow WP:BRD, while the ANI-OP did not). On top of this, the argument logic reads "Your were blocked before, so I block you". [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 22:26, 26 May 2019 (UTC) | decline = There are no grounds here to consider lifting your block. Please see [[WP:GAB]] to understand how to craft an unblock request. [[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 00:18, 27 May 2019 (UTC)}}

* To me, this is an example of an ANI thread going wild. Which is typical for ANI. "You are blocked because you were blocked before". -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 22:03, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
:"That is: I started the BRD talk, Andy started a BF talk on my talkpage. -DePiep (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2019 (UTC)"

* {{U|Icewhiz}} -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 19:13, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

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== Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks! ==

Hello, 

[[:mw:Google Code-in/2019|Google Code-In]], Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia. 

I would like to ask you to take part in Google Code-In as a mentor. That would mean to prepare at least one task (it can be documentation related, or something else - the other categories are Code, Design, Quality Assurance and Outreach) for the participants, and help the student to complete it. Please sign up at [[:mw:Google Code-in/2019|the contest page]] and send us your Google account address to google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org, so we can invite you in!

From my own experience, Google Code-In can be fun, you can make several new friends, attract new people to your wiki and make them part of your community. 

If you have any questions, please let us know at google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org. 

Thank you!

--[[User:Martin Urbanec]] ([[User talk:Martin Urbanec|talk]]) 21:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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:NO! NO GOOGLE IN WIKIPEDIA. NO COMMERCIAL LINKS. (tbh: are you cyber-deaf?). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 22:12, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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== November 2019 ==
[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.&nbsp;The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#DePiep|DePiep]]. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> [[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 00:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px">[[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]]<div style="margin-left:45px">You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''3 months''' for making [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|personal attacks towards other editors]].  Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. </div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. &nbsp;[[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 00:38, 24 November 2019 (UTC)</div></div>
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:{{U|Primefac}} please be more specific. For example, does it have to do with criticising WMF? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]])
::No, [[Special:Diff/927663496|this edit]]. I'm a little surprised I need to link that. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 00:44, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
:::Strange. IMO the editor ''was'' self-qualifying down-relating an other editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=927661783&diffmode=source]. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 01:03, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
* {{U|Guy Macon}} -- No. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DePiep&diff=927668585&oldid=927668535&diffmode=source this] is a discussion you were involved in. It is called abuse of admin rights then [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DePiep&diff=927668585&oldid=927668535&diffmode=source]. And to be clear: is opposition on Jimbo's talkpage blockable? Weird. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 00:49, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
::<p>While I know Jimbo Wales tends to allow a free reign on their talk page, [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] are sanctionable anywhere. It's perfectly possible to oppose something without needing to call another editor a "self-glorifying pig." The fact you don't understand this is maybe one reason why you are now on 3 months and people are suggesting topic banning you. </p><p>Also slightly confused about your complaint here, especially since you linked to the same diff twice. But it is impossible for Guy Macon to abuse admin rights, since they are no admin [[Special:UserRights/Guy_Macon]]. AFAICT, the admin who did block you doesn't seem to have edited Jimbo's talk page in over a year [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=844536274] and that was in an administrative capacity so I'm not sure how they are involved. They did comment in that thread on you at ANI but that doesn't make them involved. </p><p>You've been around for long enough to know that it is completely normal, in fact probably the most common sort of ANI thread is opened by someone who themselves involved in the issue. There is no requirement or expectation that only uninvolved editors open discussions, in part because there's no guarantee any will be aware of it, and many try to help (i.e. involve themselves) but it doesn't work and then may require the attention of uninvolved admins and experienced editors precisely by opening a ANI thread. Of course any involved editor should be prepared for a [[WP:Boomerang]] when they open an ANI thread. The possibility of a boomerang is in fact further reflective of the fact ANI threads tend to be opened by involved editors and it's perfectly acceptable provided the complaint is. If this wasn't acceptable, then only very inexperienced editors will ever get boomeranged and it will be very fast. Since people on ANI will quickly see an editor inappropriately opened a thread on something they were involved in by the very fact they opened the thread and were involved. </p><p>The edit you cite is the notification template that is suggested in all the big warning boxes you receive when editing ANI. You are required to notify anyone you are discussing on their talk page when opening an ANI thread, and for me personally, an editor failing to do so is a big red flag. You don't have to use the template, but most do since it hopefully avoids unnecessary disputes or mistakes. You don't have to notify yourself, since um, you're obviously already aware of the ANI thread having opened it. </p><p>[[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 04:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)</p>

::First of all I do apologise for the horrible edit I made, and do excuse to the addressed editor. The situation (not the excuse) was that I was discussing/questioning a to me highly surprising discovery that I questioned in multiple paces. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 09:11, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't suppose that it possible for an uninvolved editor to make a plea for a reduced sentence? DePiep has been a major contributor to the success of Wikipedia in general, and in particular has helped me greatly with a template that I've been working on. [[WP:NPA]] is a fundamental principle that keeps this project workable despite its size and the example here was certainly not trivial, so a ban was inevitable given previous history. But it would be a real pity if its length were such as to put a return seriously in doubt. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 14:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
:{{u|John Maynard Friedman}}, that might be persuasive but for his regrettable block log. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' <small>([[user talk:JzG|help!]])</small> 15:48, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

:{{u|John Maynard Friedman}}, I see no reason to shorten the current block. Taking into account his editing history and the gravity of his attacks, an indef block would also have been appropriate. DePiep should actually consider himself fortunate that this one is only three months.  I am reminded of this statement by {{U|JBW}}:

::{{tq|''Part of the problem is the perennial moronic view that someone who makes a lot of good edits should be allowed to get away with being uncivil and making numerous personal attacks, unlike new editors who should get blocked for far smaller numbers of uncivil comments.}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JamesBWatson&diff=842810236&oldid=842806554] [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 05:35, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

:::I too am concerned that we might lose DePiep as a contributor -- there really are a lot of good edits in the history and whether we should accept grants from Google is something we should be talking about -- but unlike John Maynard Friedman, my concern is about a likely indefinite block in the future.
:::DePiep, the following may seem harsh, but I really am rooting for you and don't want to lose you. Would it be OK to discuss [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DePiep&diff=prev&oldid=927669677]? Let me explain why I have a problem with that edit:
::: First, you instantly accused me of "abuse of admin rights". That's a very serious accusation, if true, but I am not an admin and have turned down multiple offers over the years to nominate me at RfA. You propably should have checked before making such a serious accusation.
::: Second, it gets worse: Even if I was an admin our policy at [[WP:INVOLVED]] says that when an admin notices disruptive behavior in a thread where he is involved, he should report it and let another admin decide whether to block. Which is what I did. After being blocked fourteen times I do not believe that you are unaware of our basic policies regarding blocking and administrator involvement. You owe me a sincere apology.  
:::Third, your ''"And to be clear: is opposition on Jimbo's talkpage blockable?"'' comment makes it look like, after being blocked again and again for incivility and personal attacks, you remained seemingly unaware that doing something incredibly stupid like calling another editor a self-glorifying pig on Jimbo's talk page would get you blocked. I would really like you to explain to me why this keeps happening again and again, why you didn't recognize it before you hit the save button, and why you did not recognize why you were blocked at first.
:::So let's talk. What is it going to take to get you to stop this ongoing behavior pattern before you are blocked again? You won't get a sixteenth chance. The next block will be indefinite, and it will be years before anyone is willing to even think about lifting the block. Is the answer getting a timer and adding a five-minute delay before you hit the send button? Is some sort of mentoring the answer? Is there anything that I personally can do to help? The winds are shifting all over the Internet, and behavior that was ignored before is no longer tolerated. Like I said, I am on your side and want you to keep editing for many years to come. Talk to me. Tell me what the plan is.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zc4bGkU05o] --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 18:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
::::The invitation is fine, but I won't reply soon. I note that I do not ask for a coulance as John Maynard Friedman does here, I do know it does not work that way. Meanwhile, we understand that the idea JMF posted here is born and written from their GF. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 21:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

*I honestly think it is very nice of Guy and others to be bending over backward to be kind and helpful here, but I have to wonder when enough is enough. I indef blocked this user last year for personal attacks, and that was the ''sixth time'' they'd been blocked for personal attacks or trolling, along with a number of blocks for edit warring. We're now on block number '''8''' for personal attacks, block '''14''' overall, and as far as I know not one of the previous blocks has later been found to have been wrongly applied. I frankly can't see why the previous indef block was not re-instated. If 7 previous blocks for the exact same thing, including a previous indef,  didn't get the point across I don't know what will. wikipedia has a problem wherein it lets people get away with this sort of thing if enough people say they otherwise do good work. 14 chances to conform with the most basic standards of behavior is rather a lot. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 21:45, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
::There are no second chances. Only chances. [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''SN''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">54129</span>]] 21:53, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

::Concurring with {{U|Beeblebrox}}, the indef block that had been lifted to permit participation at a disclipinary hearing should have been reinstated. It is generally considered that blocks for repeated misconduct of the same kind should be incremental. The current increment should therefore  be at least indeff with standard offer. It is not, however, but the  next block may not carry the option of the standard offer and may well include a community site ban which would be a lot harder to appeal.  When the current block expires, {{U|DePiep}} would do well to bear this in mind. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 04:51, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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== MOS and NBSP ==
Hello,
In regards to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isotopes_of_iron&curid=2527048&diff=944511845&oldid=944465892] and <code>&#38;nbsp;</code>, [[MOS:NBSP|the MOS page]] states that {{tq|it is desirable to prevent line breaks where breaking across lines might be confusing or awkward.}}. When representing units, as shown by the examples with abbreviations and that can be generalized to written-out names, it ''does'' appear awkward when a line break appears between a number and its attached unit. This is especially noticeable on mobile devices with narrower screens, and in captions for fixed-width images; that is why I have been adding them to some articles. The MOS does not explicitly ''forbid'' such edits, and seeing as it does makes prose more comfortably readable, I don't see where the problem is and I'm having trouble following your reasoning. Could you please explain why you disagree with {{u|R8R}} and I on the use of <code>&#38;nbsp;</code> in these articles? [[User:ComplexRational|ComplexRational]] ([[User talk:ComplexRational|talk]]) 21:46, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
	 
:I have replied already. The consequence of this edit would be that almost all articles could need this change&mdash;it is called "style" for a reason. I think this should be discussed at the MOS talkpage. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 22:34, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
::re [[User:ComplexRational]] I want to zoom in on this: {{tq|1=This is especially noticeable on mobile devices with narrower screens}}. I understand this is about narrow screens having smaller lines (fewer number of characters per text line). A similar thing exists with printed newspaper column lines (like, with seven columns wide on a page). My point is: you are wrong in this! When the line-width ~is ''smaller'', one does not want early line-breaks. An early line break occurs when a long word ''must'' be on a new line, causing the previous line to have excessive whitespace. This excessive whitespace disrupts the page view. Instead, as each and every typograph in newspaper columns has learned & intuitively does: strive for the regular number of characters per line, reducing excessive whitespace. For example hyphening is used, preferred over keeping words as in one (this we do not do on Wikipedia). So, when lines are ''less'' wide, as on mobile devices, we want to give the typograph (or browser) ''enough'' options to fill the line regularly. This includes ''omitting'' the NBSP as much as possible. Narrow lines, as on mobile devices, look better when "500 pieces" may be line-wrapped. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]])
:::That's one way to look at it, yes; that's also why we don't insert them in tables (which I have been avoiding per the clear MOS note on that). On the other hand, narrow screens also introduce more line breaks overall, so it is (statistically?) more likely that they will occur in awkward places such as "12.3 years" (or in your example, 500 [break] pieces would not be preferred unless the columns really are as narrow as in some old newspapers). In these cases, the phrases are short enough that non-wrapping them will not create excessive whitespace, but long enough that a line break could be awkwardly inserted. With a little wordsmithing, though, it might be possible to use abbreviations (e.g. 12.3&nbsp;y) so that MOS is less ambiguous and the blocks to be non-wrapped are even shorter (less whitespace), or otherwise phrases in which line breaks won't be awkward. Unfortunately, my post at MOS talk hasn't brought about much discussion, so it seems there won't be much clarity on this matter. [[User:ComplexRational|ComplexRational]] ([[User talk:ComplexRational|talk]]) 20:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

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== Unicode versions ==

Hi, via some articles being edited I noticed [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 20#Scripts encoded in Unicode 1.0]] — I just wanted to let you know that the statement

: ''This makes sense, since no Reader looking for a script in Unicode searches by its version-of-introduction.''

is not quite right, because this Reader indeed on occasion looks for scripts in Unicode by their version of introduction (for example, to know when Noto Sans might be expected to come out with a font for that script). The new category [[:Category:Scripts encoded in Unicode]] is useless for that purpose. I think this information is still available on Wikipedia via [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Unicode&oldid=947708658#Versions this article section] so it's not a big deal but thought you may want to know. :-) [[User:Shreevatsa|Shreevatsa]] ([[User talk:Shreevatsa|talk]]) 17:59, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
::As you write it yourself: a reader who ''knows'' which script they are looking for, goes to page [[Noto Sans]] and there will find all Unicode info. What would that reader ''miss'' when the version-category is gone? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 18:18, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Oops, it is a font not a script. Same situation: go to article [[Script XYZ]], look for its Unicose status. Also, [[Noto sans]] shold publish by themselves which scripts are covered when. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 18:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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== April 2020 ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, I'm [[User:Allenjambalaya|Allenjambalaya]]. I noticed that you recently removed content from [[:List of Philippine public figures who underwent COVID-19 testing]]&nbsp;without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the [[WP:Sandbox|sandbox]]. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on [[User_talk:Allenjambalaya|my talk page]]. Thanks.<!-- Template:uw-delete1 --> [[User:Allenjambalaya|Allenjambalaya]] ([[User talk:Allenjambalaya|talk]]) 02:20, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Allenjambalaya}} Hi. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Philippine_public_figures_who_underwent_COVID-19_testing&diff=948440800&oldid=948320167&diffmode=source This] is the edit I made on that page. I did not remove content. What I ''did'' do was remove ''repeated content'', that was ''still shown in the article''. The ''named reference'' <code>&lt;ref name="philstarBongbongLiza><nowiki>{{cite news ...}}</nowiki>"</code> is entered once, and (re)used by <code>ref name</code> three times. This is described in [[WP:REFNAME]]. You can check that nothing has disappeard by checking the number of times the citation was used (in the footnote, it has a, b and c so three times). The same for &lt;ref name="gmaStatementBongbongWife"/>. So: no content was removed. Have I clarified? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 08:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|DePiep}} Hello! Sorry, it took me a while to read your reply until you pinged my talk page. I was not able to see clearly in that time so I assumed you removed something without explaining. Yes, thanks for clarifying. I acknowledge now I made a mistake. Keep on being cool here in Wikipedia. Cheers!—[[User:Allenjambalaya|Allenjambalaya]] ([[User talk:Allenjambalaya|talk]]) 06:46, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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== Mistake? ==

See here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Rogue_treading_banks --[[Special:Contributions/2604:2000:E010:1100:34ED:B275:BB1D:DF86|2604:2000:E010:1100:34ED:B275:BB1D:DF86]] ([[User talk:2604:2000:E010:1100:34ED:B275:BB1D:DF86|talk]]) 23:54, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

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== Punctuation marks template ==

In case you miss it, there is a challenge to phasing out the infobox in favour of the navbox. See [[Template talk:Punctuation marks#Proposal: change to footer Navbox]]. Unfortunately it didn't quite get fully wrapped up last year before you went into [[Anchoresis]]. :-) --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 16:36, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
:<nowiki>:-)</nowiki> These boxes we worked on together are a bit complicated (as in: hard to find good set-up criteria; not technically). For this, I am keeping some distance (1.5m not 6ft, a cultural thing). IOW, my mind is not free enough to dive into those, these weeks. If you want help I can respond, but maybe you have enough with you to go [[WP:BOLD|bold]]. Have a nice edit. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 16:58, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe this should be on the template talk page but I don't want to break into your discussion with Spitzak: I believe that proposed a yellow background in the past, if so, I give a grovelling apology to everyone who now has a headache! It is terrible, you were right the first time with grey. [BTW, 'Obelus' has been replaced by [[division sign]] because it is ambiguous, it can also mean [[Dagger (typography)|Dagger]].] --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 23:44, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
:No worry. All this, including /sandbox2, is just playing around. 
:The reason I introduced yellow is this: I started using the standard navboxlines, alternating lightgrey/white (even/uneven lines). Check this. 
:After using these navbox-lines, it appeared the 'fine grey'did not distinguish from background-grey. So I roughly changed the color. Happened to be tough yuellow (notnow any more). Anyway, I am very happy with the sandbox, could be live without harm even. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 23:52, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

===Time to just dive in===
Hi, is there a reason to delay going live with the new version? My update to [[Diameter]] to add this navbox was reverted because it did not appear to be relevant. I can't argue with that view: the old navbox really is a waste of space in hindsight, the new one is just so much better. So can I persuade you to go ahead now, please? As you have done the work, it doesn't seem fair for someone else to get the credit. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 14:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
:Thank you, it looks good. Let's leave it a few weeks to see the response before doing a TfD proposal on the old sidebar. 
:But why do you think that the diameter symbol doesn't belong? --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 15:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
::Because of what you wrote here above ;-) (In general, I'd say if a link is in thisa box, the article should have the box and v.v.). You are free to add it though, it's up to you. I have no opinion in this. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 16:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Aha! [[Catch 22]]! --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 17:10, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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== Weird behaviour of unichar template ==

If you have a moment, I wonder if you could have a look at very strange artefact of the unichar template. Since you wrote it, you ''might'' be able to see what is going on? I have been trying to debug the way the article [[Obelus#Use in text annotation]] is displaying an instance of unichar. I have isolated down to the simplest example I can create. The issue is that sometimes the all-caps Unicode Consortium name is displaying full size ('SHOUTING') rather than {{snd}} the more appropriate in most contexts{{snd}} smaller caps. The trigger ''appears'' to be the ''nlink='' option, but not consistently. Take this exanple:
# {{unichar|2052|Commercial minus sign|nlink= }} SIGN <small>SIGN</small>
# {{unichar|2052|Commercial minus sign }} SIGN <small>SIGN</small>
In both cases, the name is in full size caps. Now swap the order of 1 and 2 and the problem goes away. (!!!). But now the next problem: if I try to do that here now, it is too late. #1 above has already poisoned the well and it won't work. You have to edit this to do the swap yourself to see what I am talking about. I am seriously beginning to doubt my sanity! --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 17:40, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
:You can see the effect of reversing the order of 1 and 2 at my sandbox [[User:John Maynard Friedman/sandbox#Unichar test]]. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 17:49, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


;Tests
:{{unichar|2052|commercial minus sign|nlink=}}
:{{unichar|2052|commercial minus sign}}
:{{smallcaps|1=COMMERCIAL MINUS SIGN}}
:{{smallcaps2|1=COMMERCIAL MINUS SIGN}}

;reply: the text is in [[smallcaps]], which is definitely ''not'' formatted as &lt;small>CAPS&lt;/small>. Smallcaps is a font variant, like ''italics''.

:I don't know the exact formatting used by {{tlf|Unichar}}, it was changed recently by another editor.
:To look at: {{tl|Smallcaps}}, {{tl|Smallcaps2}}.
:The formating of example 1 here is (using [[Special:ExpandTemplates]]):
 <nowiki><span class="nowrap"><templatestyles src="Mono/styles.css" /><span class="monospaced">U+2052</span></span>&#x20;<span style="font-size:125%;line-height:1em">&#x2052;</span> [[commercial minus sign|<templatestyles src="smallcaps/styles.css"/><span class="smallcaps smallcaps-smaller">COMMERCIAL MINUS SIGN</span>]]
</nowiki>
:&rarr; <span class="nowrap"><templatestyles src="Mono/styles.css" /><span class="monospaced">U+2052</span></span>&#x20;<span style="font-size:125%;line-height:1em">&#x2052;</span> [[commercial minus sign|<templatestyles src="smallcaps/styles.css"/><span class="smallcaps smallcaps-smaller">COMMERCIAL MINUS SIGN</span>]]
;Conclude
:So, in {{tl|Unichar}} there is a (sub)page  that uses a {{tl|Smallcaps}} template. That defineds the oputput. (did not find it yet). AFAIK, this is regular behaviour (but the smallcaps-issue is not stable, I admit).

:-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 17:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

:* {{re|John Maynard Friedman}} Found: {{tl|Smallcaps2}} is used [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Unichar/name&action=edit]. I am not convinced this is a great solution. Don't have time or knowledge now to improve it. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 18:49, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you. How strange. I don't think 'small caps' style is even appropriate: the Consortium uses all-the-same-size capitals, not big initial cap, small caps rest of word. I could change it to use <nowiki><small></nowiki> but the problem is that some editors invoke it using  an all-lower-case name (which wouldn't work) and others use all-upper-case (which would). So the solution has to be fix {{tl|Smallcaps2}}. :-( . OK, thanks, I will try to find another place to raise it. 

Should I move this discussion to [[template talk:unichar]]? --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 19:15, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

* No, not at Unichar. With {{tl|smnallcaps}} or sc2 (problem already is: two smnallcaps forms?!).
:Unichar should use one of these. This is a style issue, not a preference.
:We are stretching the limit already by using some caps in-line, with Unichar. To reduce bad visuals, they should be true smallcaps (not regular ALLCAPS), even when Unicode does so: again, this is a WP style choice not Unicode definition.
:-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 19:24, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

::*Found it: 
::<nowiki><span style="font-variant:small-caps">Abc</span></nowiki> &rarr; <span style="font-variant:small-caps">Abc</span>
::<nowiki><span style="font-variant:small-caps">commercial minus sign</span></nowiki> &rarr; <span style="font-variant:small-caps">commercial minus sign</span>
::-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 19:32, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
:::So is that a fix that you are about to apply or are you advising me to do it? --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 23:12, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
::::To me, that is what smallcaps should look like so I'd like that change to happen. But, changing {{tl|smallcaps2}} &etc. must be discussed first. I'd say currently it is not smallcaps at all, but I don't know what the css-people will say. (Also, the two templates are needlessly complicated). I don't have much time for this, and I'm not sure of the best approach TBH. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 06:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::Well it seems to work well enough for most of the time, so I wouldn't spend time on that aspect. What confuses me is how the presence or absence of nlink=, and the order it is done in, can push the whole invocation into large caps and {{snd}} even more mystifying{{snd}} can push subsequent invocations into large caps. But I really can't see it being easy to find, let alone solve, so given your time pressure it would be best not to even try. Thank you for what you have done already. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 11:13, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{od}} well, about this {{para|nlink}} detail you mention: I did not see the difference in rendering you refer too. Both your examples here in top, and my first two "test" examples, do not show a difference. Or am I missing something? (If it is about this {{tlf|Unichar}} difference detail, must be easier to solve ;-) ). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 11:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
::Well that is strange. I have verified it in Chrome and Firefox, what are you using? 
::Compare the two sample lines that I gave at the top of this section (here on your talkpage) with [[User:John Maynard Friedman/sandbox#Unichar test|the same two lines on my sandbox]]. They are coded identically: the only difference is the order they are presented. The ones here display on Chrome and Firefox with large caps, the ones on my sandbox display in small caps. (Feel free to experiment on my sandbox). 
::[I have just worked out why we see it so rarely: most articles where potentially it might be an issue begin with {{tl|infobox symbol}}, {{tl|infobox currency}} etc, and therefore the very first invocation of unichar in the article is right there and of course it doesn't need or have an  nlink= for its own article].
::--[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 11:55, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
:::BTW: I spent a while looking at this and there seems to be a hack to get the right behavior.  (I'm no where near brave enough to change a template as used as the smallcaps ones.) If a dummy smallcaps item like <nowiki>{{sc2|}}</nowiki> appears before the first <nowiki>unichar|nlink=</nowiki> template, the problem behavior goes away for me. I'd suggest something like "<nowiki>{{sc2|}}<!--dummy sc2 template to fix unichar small caps problem --></nowiki>". It's not pretty but it works. [[User:Drmccreedy|DRMcCreedy]] ([[User talk:Drmccreedy|talk]]) 19:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
*Will reply, in days? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 21:48, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
::<s>The problem is</s> ''One problem is'': the enwiki "smallcaps" templates are corrupted ({{tlf|Unichar}} uses those). Has been going on for months or years.
::That is: {{tl|Smallcaps}} and {{tl|smallcaps2}}. See their code: does not look well.
::But for now: I have no time to dive into this (and cannot grasp this whole thread here)
::-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 21:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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== Regarding "neutralising" the infoboxes ==

Would it be possible to do what we already do for element categories in contentious edge cases like polonium, in order to make the infoboxes for everyone's favourite elements to argue about read things like:

*{{tlx|infobox lanthanum}}, {{tlx|infobox actinium}}: Group, "group 3, sometimes considered group n/a"; Block, "d-block, sometimes considered f-block";
*{{tlx|infobox lutetium}}, {{tlx|infobox lawrencium}}: Group, "group n/a, sometimes considered group 3"; Block, "f-block, sometimes considered d-block".
*{{tlx|infobox unbiunium}}: Group, "group 3, sometimes considered group n/a"; Block, "d-block, sometimes considered g-block" <small>(forgot this one initially)</small>

I guess the same could be done for period 1, but then the problem is trickier as there are more options. So I think we leave hydrogen and helium alone as long as IUPAC doesn't acknowledge there is a dispute. [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 05:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
:Will take a look. Could there be a useful link in the proposed text, to a single point of clarification? A group 3 (element)#section? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 07:17, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
:And, regarding the dispute at enwiki, should this be applied in more places, so be formally discussed? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 07:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
::Well, since "group 3" is going to be linked anyhow, and that is going to be where the dispute is discussed in greatest detail, I think there's no need for an extra link.
::I would like something like the plwiki solution, honestly. You can see it at [[:pl:Szablon:Pierwiastki_chemiczne]]. Well, they show group 3 as Sc-Y-Lu and add a note saying that often Sc-Y-La is also encountered, but I don't see why we couldn't do it the other way round until IUPAC decides. My suggestion would be (since we are temporarily keeping Sc-Y-La pending the IUPAC project's recommendation) to put a note [a] beside every "3" on our templates that reads "In some periodic tables, lutetium (Lu) and lawrencium (Lr) are placed in group 3, rather than lanthanum (La) and actinium (Ac). A [[IUPAC]] project was started on [https://iupac.org/project/2015-039-2-200/ 18 December 2015] to recommend which it should be." Such a note could also appear in {{tlx|infobox yttrium}}, where we could have the note where we write "La" as below Y, and {{tlx|infobox unbiunium}} where we write "Ac" as above Ubu.
::If you think it's a good idea, you can bring it to [[WT:ELEM]] if you like. For the sake of not getting into yet another argument (which does not do wonders for my emotional state) I prefer to not post there for a while. [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 08:03, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
:::P.S. Just noticed we already have something similar to the plwiki solution in {{tlx|Periodic table (group names)}}. [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 09:03, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
::::re PS: of course, {{tlx|Periodic table (group names)}} is one of those places where the issue ''should'' be described, since it is a core topic  in there. Same with [[Group 3 (elements)]] (in sections). But this edit is going to bring ''the note'' more general, in what we used to call 'single preferred PT notation at enwiki'.
::::IMO this change would be OK (esp. because circa IUPAC-based), but still we need some limitation (enwiki-wide selfrestraint), to prevent adding large texts everywhere. So I think wt:elem is required. I understand your situation. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 09:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::OK then. I'd already be happy if just the relevant things I asked for in the OP could be done for those five infoboxes (I added some notes to Y and 121, but the one I asked for at the top requires some template magic skills). And then wait for IUPAC. [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 10:09, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
::::::The situation is ugly. I'm very concered wrt incidental edits. wp:elem might be lost as the +++ talkpage we knew. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 20:22, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Well, for above-mentioned reasons I prefer not to go there for a while...
:::::::I figured out how to do the change I was looking for in the OP. So, I did it along the lines of [[WP:BRD]]. Except that I am not keen on discussing it yet again, so if anyone reverts it, I won't reinstate it. [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 03:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
:OK -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 09:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

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== Alternative to template:code ==

If it interests you and you can find the time, your advice at [[template talk:code#Is there a version of this template that highlights the text but doesn't change the font to mono?]] would be appreciated. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 20:09, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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== Thanks for your help! ==

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== Thank you for the talk page comment and also not reverting ==

I have a large edit I've been working around an hour on, I will submit it then reply over on the talk page. Thank you for not reverting until you see my reasoning. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 10:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

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== Re consensus on intro ==

Hi. I'd like to ask you in general not to use an FAC as places to make conclusions about articles other than the one under review. It's a stressful process already, and that's not the right place for that. Knowing your scrupulousness on accuracy of scope, I hope you'll see where I'm coming from.

Also, to point it out, I was not wrong on that the intro could be viewed as an introduction to hassium. That interpretation would still be correct, it's just that text could also be interpreted differently. It's rather disheartening to explain your point and then see a comment like "I find the notion that the original "Introduction" it can rightly be read as "Introduction to hassium" ''incorrect''" that totally ignores what I said without any argumentation at all to counter what I said. What was the point for me to speak up then if you're not gonna try to listen? At least that's what it looks like from the outside even if you didn't mean it. The FAC is not the place to make that kind of an aftermath anyway (see previous paragraph). This isn't the first time I've seen you do something like that (i.e., not taking into consideration presented arguments) either, so I'd appreciate it if you tried to use argumentation more clearly if you disagree. Thank you--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 19:38, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

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== Recoloring the periodic table ==

By the way, I've been meaning to ask you whether you were going to present a recoloring of the PT of your own at all. We had a talk quite a while ago after I produced my [[User:R8R/PT search for colors|recoloring]] that you'd try and make something too and that we'll probably use your version. Is that happening or can we go with the established consensus that what I produced is better than what we have right now?--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 19:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
:I seriously will build a case for recoloring. Actually, I have created a wallpaper PT for my former high school, testing practicing most of these ideas. (Really, now a professional print of {{convert|3.55|m|ft|0}} wide it is!). I hope to mail WP:ELEM people soon about this. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 20:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
:FYI: also on my todo list are: {{tl|Infobox periodic table group}}, tough melting point and boiling point checks (sources, {{tl|Convert}}), and [[List of chemical elements#List]]. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 20:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
::Great to hear it (congrats on helping your school!). When do you think we can expect to see that?--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 07:10, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
:::It needs a clarifying paper with it (eg it had to serve exam requirements) ;-). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 16:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

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== Improving version 3 of a new 18-column template to navigate compact-periodic-table within Wikipedia ==

Hi DePiep. You made a recent comment

"Version 3 says that the bar below is ''in total'' below Sc, Y. Sc and Y, and grtoup 3 both stretch 15 columns."

on the periodic table talk page where we are trying to reach consensus on a new 18-column navigation table for use across en:Wikipedia. I know you are an expert on these matters as you regularly contribute to the talk pages of the templates themselves. However, I'm not sure what you intended by your latest contribution Were you, I hope, merely reassuring Sandbh there isn't a problem in version 3, or were you trying to make a more elaborate point? Please clarify.

I hope that we can all now just make specific suggestions how to improve version 3 (and implement the changes within the thread without creating a version 4) and soon we'll be done ;-)   [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks for making the initial changes to the template. We certainly need to be consistent within the main ones that are widely used. And we need to await a consensus before going further. I'll be interested in learning the details of your suggestions / objections, provided they don't re-run the whole group 3 argument, which, as an organic chemist, I don't really care about :-)   [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:35, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
::While I'm here, it may make sense for the hover-over for La and Ac in the current template to give the element names but briefly mention the controversy about group 3 (i.e. something like "Lanthanum. Some versions of the periodic table put Lu in this position in group 3 instead". Just a thought..... [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:47, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
:::(I'm short in time) This is not the place to discuss this. Your OP place is fine. If this is personal (for example, re my behaviour), then here all right. If so, please be clear about that. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 22:31, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
::: No, your behaviour is exemplary and I'm very grateful. I've added a couple of further comments in the OP, including an apology to you about my meaning of "supercede". [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:11, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

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== You're welcome ==

For thanking [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Elements&oldid=prev&diff=967135148 this comment of mine]. ;)

Now, if I may ask for a rather personal favour: I suppose you know I have a periodic table specially configured to the way I like it on my userpage. I have one with outlines for articles I worked on, I also have one in [[User:Double sharp/Idealised electron configurations|my subpages]] that lacks those, explaining why it is that way:

{{navbox
 | name = Periodic table (32 columns, compact)
 | title = [[Periodic table]] [[:Template:Periodic table (32 columns, detailed cells)|{{nobold|1=<small>(Large cells)</small>}}]]
 | state = {{{state|expanded}}}
 | above =
 | listclass = wraplinks
 | list1 = {{{!}} cellpadding="0" style="table-layout:fixed; width:100%;" aria-describedby="periodic-table-legend"
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="line-height:100%;" {{!}}
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[alkali metal|Is]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[alkaline earth metal|IIs]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}}
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} IIIf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} IVf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} Vf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} VIf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} VIIf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} VIIIf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} IXf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} Xf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XIf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XIIf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XIIIf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XIVf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XVf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XVIf
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Group 3 element|IIId]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Group 4 element|IVd]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Group 5 element|Vd]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Group 6 element|VId]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Group 7 element|VIId]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Group 8 element|VIIId]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Group 9 element|IXd]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Group 10 element|Xd]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Group 11 element|XId]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Group 12 element|XIId]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Boron group|IIIp]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Carbon group|IVp]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Pnictogen|Vp]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Chalcogen|VIp]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Halogen|VIIp]]
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Noble gas|VIIIp]]
{{!}}-
! scope="row" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Period 1 element|I]]
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|1|Hydrogen|H||Gas|s-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|2|Helium|He||Gas|s-block}}
{{!}} colspan="31" {{!}}
{{!}}-
! scope="row" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Period 2 element|II]]
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|3|Lithium|Li||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|4|Beryllium|Be||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}} colspan="25" {{!}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|5|Boron|B||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|6|Carbon|C||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|7|Nitrogen|N||Gas|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|8|Oxygen|O||Gas|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|9|Fluorine|F||Gas|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|10|Neon|Ne||Gas|p-block}}
{{!}}-
! scope="row" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Period 3 element|III]]
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|11|Sodium|Na||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|12|Magnesium|Mg||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}} colspan="25" {{!}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|13|Aluminium|Al||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|14|Silicon|Si||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|15|Phosphorus|P||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|16|Sulfur|S||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|17|Chlorine|Cl||Gas|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|18|Argon|Ar||Gas|p-block}}
{{!}}-
! scope="row" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Period 4 element|IV]]
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|19|Potassium|K||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|20|Calcium|Ca||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}}colspan="15" {{!}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|21|Scandium|Sc||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|22|Titanium|Ti||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|23|Vanadium|V||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|24|Chromium|Cr||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|25|Manganese|Mn||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|26|Iron|Fe||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|27|Cobalt|Co||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|28|Nickel|Ni||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|29|Copper|Cu||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|30|Zinc|Zn||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|31|Gallium|Ga||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|32|Germanium|Ge||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|33|Arsenic|As||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|34|Selenium|Se||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|35|Bromine|Br||Liquid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|36|Krypton|Kr||Gas|p-block}}
{{!}}-
! scope="row" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Period 5 element|V]]
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|37|Rubidium|Rb||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|38|Strontium|Sr||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}}colspan="15" {{!}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|39|Yttrium|Y||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|40|Zirconium|Zr||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|41|Niobium|Nb||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|42|Molybdenum|Mo||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|43|Technetium|Tc||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|44|Ruthenium|Ru||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|45|Rhodium|Rh||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|46|Palladium|Pd||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|47|Silver|Ag||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|48|Cadmium|Cd||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|49|Indium|In||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|50|Tin|Sn||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|51|Antimony|Sb||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|52|Tellurium|Te||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|53|Iodine|I||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|54|Xenon|Xe||Gas|p-block}}
{{!}}-
! scope="row" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Period 6 element|VI]]
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|55|Caesium|Cs||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|56|Barium|Ba||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}}colspan="1" {{!}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|57|Lanthanum|La||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|58|Cerium|Ce||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|59|Praseodymium|Pr||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|60|Neodymium|Nd||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|61|Promethium|Pm||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|62|Samarium|Sm||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|63|Europium|Eu||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|64|Gadolinium|Gd||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|65|Terbium|Tb||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|66|Dysprosium|Dy||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|67|Holmium|Ho||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|68|Erbium|Er||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|69|Thulium|Tm||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|70|Ytterbium|Yb||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|71|Lutetium|Lu||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|72|Hafnium|Hf||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|73|Tantalum|Ta||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|74|Tungsten|W||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|75|Rhenium|Re||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|76|Osmium|Os||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|77|Iridium|Ir||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|78|Platinum|Pt||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|79|Gold|Au||Solid|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|80|Mercury|Hg||Liquid|d-block|link=Mercury (element)}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|81|Thallium|Tl||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|82|Lead|Pb||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|83|Bismuth|Bi||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|84|Polonium|Po||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|85|Astatine|At||Solid|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|86|Radon|Rn||Gas|p-block}}
{{!}}-
! scope="row" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Period 7 element|VII]]
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|87|Francium|Fr||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|88|Radium|Ra||Solid|s-block}}
{{!}}colspan="1" {{!}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|89|Actinium|Ac||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|90|Thorium|Th||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|91|Protactinium|Pa||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|92|Uranium|U||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|93|Neptunium|Np||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|94|Plutonium|Pu||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|95|Americium|Am||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|96|Curium|Cm||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|97|Berkelium|Bk||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|98|Californium|Cf||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|99|Einsteinium|Es||Solid|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|100|Fermium|Fm||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|101|Mendelevium|Md||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|102|Nobelium|No||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|103|Lawrencium|Lr||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|104|Rutherfordium|Rf||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|105|Dubnium|Db||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|106|Seaborgium|Sg||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|107|Bohrium|Bh||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|108|Hassium|Hs||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|109|Meitnerium|Mt||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|110|Darmstadtium|Ds||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|111|Roentgenium|Rg||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|112|Copernicium|Cn||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|113|Nihonium|Nh||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|114|Flerovium|Fl||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|115|Moscovium|Mc||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|116|Livermorium|Lv||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|117|Tennessine|Ts||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|118|Oganesson|Og||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}-
! scope="row" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} [[Period 8 element|VIII]]
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|119|Ununennium|119||unknown phase|s-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|120|Unbinilium|120||unknown phase|s-block}}
{{!}}∗
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|143|Unquadtrium|143||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|144|Unquadquadium|144||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|145|Unquadpentium|145||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|146|Unquadhexium|146||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|147|Unquadseptium|147||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|148|Unquadoctium|148||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|149|Unquadennium|149||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|150|Unpentnilium|150||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|151|Unpentunium|151||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|152|Unpentbium|152||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|153|Unpenttrium|153||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|154|Unpentquadium|154||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|155|Unpentpentium|155||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|156|Unpenthexium|156||unknown phase|f-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|157|Unpentseptium|157||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|158|Unpentoctium|158||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|159|Unpentennium|159||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|160|Unhexnilium|160||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|161|Unhexunium|161||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|162|Unhexbium|162||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|163|Unhextrium|163||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|164|Unhexquadium|164||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|165|Unhexpentium|165||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|166|Unhexhexium|166||unknown phase|d-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|167|Unhexseptium|167||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|168|Unhexoctium|168||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|169|Unhexennium|169||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|170|Unseptnilium|170||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|171|Unseptunium|171||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|172|Unseptbium|172||unknown phase|p-block}}
{{!}}-
{{!}}colspan="33" {{!}} &nbsp;
{{!}}-
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="line-height:100%;" {{!}}
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}}
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}}
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}}
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} IIIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} IVg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} Vg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} VIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} VIIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} VIIIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} IXg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} Xg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XIIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XIIIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XIVg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XVg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XVIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XVIIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XVIIIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XIXg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XXg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XXIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XXIIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XXIIIg
! scope="col" style="background:transparent; font-weight:normal;" {{!}} XXIVg
{{!}}-
{{!}}colspan="3" {{!}}
{{!}}∗
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|121|Unbiunium|121||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|122|Unbibium|122||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|123|Unbitrium|123||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|124|Unbiquadium|124||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|125|Unbipentium|125||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|126|Unbihexium|126||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|127|Unbiseptium|127||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|128|Unbioctium|128||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|129|Unbiennium|129||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|130|Untrinilium|130||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|131|Untriunium|131||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|132|Untribium|132||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|133|Untritrium|133||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|134|Untriquadium|134||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|135|Untripentium|135||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|136|Untrihexium|136||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|137|Untriseptium|137||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|138|Untrioctium|138||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|139|Untriennium|139||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|140|Unquadnilium|140||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|141|Unquadunium|141||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}{{element cell-compact|142|Unquadbium|142||unknown phase|g-block}}
{{!}}}
}}
<div role="presentation" id="periodic-table-legend" style="border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; width:100%; line-height:120%; text-align:center; vertical-align:top; font-size:85%; background:{{element color|table5}};  margin:{{yesno|yes|yes=0|no=0.5em 0 0 0}}; font-size:90%; margin-top:0.5em;">
<!-- COMPACT (categories in single row) -->
{| style="width:100%; table-layout:fixed; overflow:hidden;"
| style="padding:0 1px; background:{{element color|s-block}};" | s-element
| style="padding:0 1px; background:{{element color|g-block}};" | g-element
| style="padding:0 1px; background:{{element color|f-block}};" | f-element
| style="padding:0 1px; background:{{element color|d-block}};" | d-element
| style="padding:0 1px; background:{{element color|p-block}};" | p-element
|}
</div>

I trust the presentation of the footnote meets your requirements. I know the 18-column table I show on my userpage is not really consistent with it. That's not because I wanted to be inconsistent, it's just because scientifically speaking we don't yet have enough predictions for elements around 140s and 150s to say for sure where they should go, so for now I wait and show both possibilities (with this one as maybe a bit more clear even if chemically speaking some resemblances may be iffy).

Now, the reason I ask. I would like to draw a metal-nonmetal line on this between: H and Li; He and Be; Be and B; Al and Si; Ga and Ge; Sb and Te; At and Rn; right of Og; E171 and E172. Do you have some idea how I could do that with wikimarkup magic? [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 05:17, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
:OK, challenge taken. I recently have used such a border in my wallpaper PT (more on this by your email). I'll use css (like <code>style=""</code>) first, not wikicode.
:BTW, I'm not to be a policeman in the 18-vs.-32 debate, just looking for consistency. For this, I point to this paper [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339815154_Recent_attempts_to_change_the_periodic_table Scerri (2020)] Sandbh mentioned, I guess you have met it before (re group 3 maybe?). Interesting take on PT presentation, while I feel a need to correspond to Scerri on some details. 

===sidenotes===
:(not relevant to the Q).
*Later on I'll try to learn why you use Roman numbers for periods (where I prefer {{Periodic table/period|period=7}} ;-) ). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 09:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
*No Pyykkö number swaps then
*columns id's: ?
*"s-element" not "s-block" then.
**I can answer these relatively simply here if you want. Or anywhere else if you would prefer ;) [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 07:08, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

===Solutions===
* Working space [[:User:DePiep/PT by Double sharp]], transcludes:
{{User:DePiep/PT by Double sharp}}

{{U|Double sharp}}: please check the concept above (it's in my userspace). Usage:
<pre>
{{element cell-compact/sandbox|1|Hydrogen|H||Gas|s-block|border=right, bottom}}
{{element cell-compact/sandbox|4|Beryllium|Be||Solid|s-block|border=top,right}}
{{element cell-compact/sandbox|6|Carbon|C||Solid|p-block|border=top,left,right,bottom|border-format=3px dotted red}}
</pre>

I want to publish the new options (adding the function to {{tlf|element cell-compact/}} for general use).

Things you might want improved:
:The border exactly in between cells, not part of/inside a cell; this needs some research,
:Keep option to highlight a cell (eg your contribuitions); now the sandbox uses the same border position so cannot do two;
:Anything else?
::Yeah, it's just that. It really looks good already, I just hope for a border in between so that I can keep my highlights. So, thank you and hopefully even better things will soon be around with your wizardry! ;) [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 14:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Unfortunately I since got convinced by the paper that I should be calling Cn a nonmetal for now, which messes up a nice line, so currently I kludged a different solution by using muted (old predicted) colours to indicate that something is not a metal ([[User:Double_sharp/Template_Periodic_table]]). Probably there is a way to clarify the legend but I have not yet figured it out...

P.S. On my mobile the element names crash into the atomic numbers below them. [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 16:37, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

===Solution2===
{{U|Double sharp}}
* See #2 [[:User:DePiep/PT by Double sharp2]]
:Not a <code>class=navbox</code> any more, plain wikitable.
:border, default: 2px white, collapsed (border B-right = border C-left).
;Options:
::first: PAGENAME (='when on Hg, highlight Hg-cell'): <code>3px solid black</code>. See At in demo.
::second: {{para|border|top, right, bottom, left}}: <code>2px black solid</code>. Can be set like {{para|border-format|2px dotted red}}, see C.
::third: {{para|style|border:2px dotted pink}}
:Layers: later option overwrites earlier option (2 over 1; 3 over 1, 2)
:so, it has flexibility all around (but takes some work). Also, shared border (B-right=C-left) may cause unexpected effectws, order of setting=important

;Issues, questions:
::demo has: PAGENAME 3px black, border 2px black: bad for distinguishing (see At/metalloid lone demo)
:::Cannot set border too fancy. grey? dotted? 1px dotted red?
:: {{para|style}} is cumbersome and sensitive, but gives freedom (eg, mark your involvements).
:

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== Proposal to replace 32-column graphic in element infoboxes with a new 18-column version ==

Hi DePiep

Now that the problematic thread on the proposal to alter element navboxes has been closed, I've sandboxed a new proposal [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Michael_D._Turnbull/sandbox&oldid=970804662]. I would be very grateful if you would review it and check that it is sufficiently well drafted that it won't stray into multiple issues.

Assuming you approve, I will place it on the discussion page at [[WT:ELEM]] as I think it fits better there than at the Periodic Table talk page. Anyone interested in articles about the elements is likely to have a view on the proposal and I'd like to involve more editors than I managed to attract previously.

Thanks in advance. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
:Not closed yet, and better wait I'd say. And discussing at the same page is OK, as it is ''about'' the (enwiki-)periodic table. At [[WT:ELEM]], a single note can be placed to the same effect. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 16:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
::OK, I'll wait until at least tomorrow and will put it back at the same page, with a link at [[WT:ELEM]]. Meanwhile, I'm happy to have any suggestions for edits by you suggested here. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:09, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
:::I prefer waiting til full closing, beccause clearly new posts ''keep'' dripping in there. My request is [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Requests_for_closure&curid=33585400&diff=970782820&oldid=970594576&diffmode=source here]. Pls try to stick to one proposal (maybe multiple variants is OK). Maybe it would help if you read the old thread once more, to recognise do's and dont's ;-) If you need more examples (demo's), pls say so. (But I think you have them, IIRC). All the best. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 16:16, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
::::You don't seem to be getting as much help from [[User:ToBeFree]] as I would have hoped. His latest suggestion is to "close the thread yourself", by which I assume he means "move it into the archive", at which point as far as I understand the way WP works, it won't be accessible for further editing. I took a look at [[H:ARC]] to see how this could be done and I concluded that I wouldn't be confident of getting it correct. However, I'm sure you have more experience of this sort of thing than I do, so please just go ahead now. Thanks. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 10:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{od}} Well read! Well, I am involved in the discussion, so I cannot close it myself (that suggestion by ToBeFree is trying to pull me into disruptive behaviour, aka trolling. Very disturbing post, by an admin).
:Anyway, closing a non-trivial discussion like this one is done explicitly, not implicitly (by archiving, also we want to have it in sight to copy arguments ;-) ). The closer can use {{tl|Discussion top}} and {{tlf|Discussion bottom}}, and add concluding status. 
:Since I want to do this by the book (is why I reverted my edit), at least we'll have it done over time by the formal request. Our patience will be rewarded (by a fruitfull new discussion, as I know [[WP:ELEMENTS]] editors). But some cooperative working by an admin would be better. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 10:58, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
::Please don't take this as me trolling you ;-) but on the instructions on the page [[WP:RFCL]] it specifically says

::"Many discussions result in a reasonably clear consensus, so if the consensus is clear, any editor—even one involved in the discussion—may close the discussion."

::I would support you that we have a consensus for closure/restart, if not one about the topic itself. From what you have just said, this means adding the relevant {{tl|Discussion top}} etc tags, which seems correct to me. If it is just a matter of adding two tags and a summary, I'd be happy to try that myself.  [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>:-)</nowiki>. No, self-closing could be read as disruptive, and give a bad report. I prefer to wait. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 12:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
::::OK. We have plenty of other useful things to do meanwhile. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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== Notice of Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion ==
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This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard]] regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The thread is "[[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Periodic table|Periodic table]]".The discussion is about the topic [[:Periodic table]]. 
Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! {{clear}}<!--Template:DRN-notice--> --[[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 08:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

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== GA/FA candidates and Short Description ==

I've been reviewing recent AWB edits that have left the Short Description below the top (see [[MOS:ORDER]]). I noticed you had made a number of recent edits on FA/GA candidates, so I started to bump the SD up to the top. But I suspect you've been editing more than I saw.

Most of the edits that I saw simply left the SD in place, but some of them specifically moved hatnotes to the top, which is an AWB 6.1.0.1 genfix. The AWB guys made a genfix change to bump the SD soon after that release, nearly a year ago, and I've started bugging them to release another binary. I have a build from their latest source if you're interested. [[User:DavidBrooks|David Brooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 16:32, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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== Page numbering  ==

On [[Bowdoin station]], I had several page numbers formatted as {{tq|<nowiki>{{rp|3-5}}<!--not a page range, do not use dash--></nowiki>}} because the individual page numbers are hyphenated in the source. (That is very common with government documents.) In [[Special:Diff/975054644|this edit]], you changed them to dashes anyway. Same with [[Special:Diff/975045175|this edit]] to [[Alewife station]]. Please be more careful to check that your automated edits do not introduce these errors. Thanks, ~5|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 17:22, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
:That would be a bad edit sure. Allow me to take a better look at it later on. But really, my edits I checked. If you think it is bad: do revert ;-) [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 23:20, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bowdoin_station&oldid=prev&diff=975085295&diffmode=source] then. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 23:22, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
::{{tl|rp}} -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 23:24, 26 August 2020 (UTC)