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== Quote Parameter in citations ==

You contributed to a discussion either [[Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#.22brief_verbatim_textual_excerpts.22_revisited|here]]  or [[Wikipedia_talk:CITE#Quoting_from_citation|here]].
I'm attempting to summarize and move the discussion forward [[Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources#Use_of_quote_parameter_in_footnote_-_a_proposal_to_provide_better_guidance|here]]. You may well have this page watchlisted, but as I am trying to carny on in a slightly different place, I'm letting everyone know who contributed.--<font style="font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light ">[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="color:#002868;padding:0 4px">SPhilbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;">(Talk)</span>]]</font> 17:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
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== efn vs ref label and note label ==

* [[User talk:DrKiernan#Afonso and Isabel]]
Hi. Care to help explain the advantages of {{tl|efn}}? (and sorry if my little joke wasted a bit of time; I really expected it to be obviously just for fun). [[User:Alarbus|Alarbus]] ([[User talk:Alarbus|talk]]) 17:21, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

== help using cite video with multiple facts ==

Hi Gadget.  Can you advise user Sp33dyphil on how to use the cite video template in combination with sfn or the like?  IOW, say he has a documentary (making of Terminator 2) and wants to cite different facts from different parts of the video.  Is it possible to do a refs and bibliography similat to what we do with books and such?

Sorry if this question is imprecise, but can you help him?  I know you are the guy on this stuff!

[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 03:47, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

::Where is this discussion? ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 13:18, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

:::  Link to article:  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sp33dyphil/My_sandbox_4] IRC request on the problem (as written above).[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 15:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

::::Now redirects to main article. Not sure where that is going there. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 15:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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== help using cite video with multiple facts ==


Hi Gadget.  Can you advise user Sp33dyphil on how to use the cite video template in combination with sfn or the like?  IOW, say he has a documentary (making of Terminator 2) and wants to cite different facts from different parts of the video.  Is it possible to do a refs and bibliography similat to what we do with books and such?

Sorry if this question is imprecise, but can you help him?  I know you are the guy on this stuff!

[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 03:47, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

::Where is this discussion? ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 13:18, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

:::  Link to article:  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sp33dyphil/My_sandbox_4] IRC request on the problem (as written above).[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 15:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

::::Now redirects to main article. Not sure where that is going there. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 15:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

{{od}} Sorry about reinstating the archived discussion. Please let me brief you on what's going. I'm using a video about the creation of ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' on the article's "Production" section. Since I plan to cite the video multiple times, TCO had suggested to me to use the <nowiki>{{Harvid}}</nowiki>, or a similar template, so that I can enter the exact video time during which a particular quote took place. TCO and I aren't aware of any; do you know what to do in this case? Do I simply just use <nowiki><ref name=X></nowiki> and not enter the video times into the reference? --[[User:Sp33dyphil|Sp33dyphil]] ©<sup>[[User talk:Sp33dyphil|hat]]</sup><sub style='position: relative; left: -1.5em;'>[[Special:Contributions/Sp33dyphil|ontributions]]</sub> 22:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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:This little different from page numbers— see [[User:Gadget850/FAQ/Page numbers in references]] for different methods of including page numbers. {{tl|Cite video}} supports '''time''' which is exactly the same as '''at''' for other templates. If you decide to use shortened footnotes, then {{tl|sfn}} supports {{para|loc}} where you can add the time. Remember that using shortened footnotes requires consensus to change the citation style. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 22:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply. --[[User:Sp33dyphil|Sp33dyphil]] ©<sup>[[User talk:Sp33dyphil|hat]]</sup><sub style='position: relative; left: -1.5em;'>[[Special:Contributions/Sp33dyphil|ontributions]]</sub> 03:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

== Ed ==

Hiya. Is "Ed" a name by which you may be referred? Examples: "Hello, Ed. How are you?" or "'''Support''' per Ed's comments above." etc.? Just wondering for future reference.&nbsp;[[User:Fred_Gandt|'''<span style="font-family:arial;color:#055;font-size:16px;">f<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">red</i>g<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">andt</i></span>''']] 22:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, Ed is my first name. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 09:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
::Awesome. Thanks.&nbsp;[[User:Fred_Gandt|'''<span style="font-family:arial;color:#055;font-size:16px;">f<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">red</i>g<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">andt</i></span>''']] 11:41, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:WikiProject  ???/Help ==

I see your the help guy! Was wondering if you like and have some time- If you would look  at a few pages (all the same copy and pasted version that a few Wikiprojects have adopted) that could realy use some edits by someone familiar with the help type pages.  Perhaps a new section above Tips with link to the various HELP namespace pages? Just would need to update one page if you like I will copy and past to all the others.    See [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Canada/Help]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/Help]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Help]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin America/Help]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Animation/Help]].[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 03:17, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

== Questions re "Ging gang goolie" on Help Desk page referred to this User talk? ==

Hi Gadget850!
Shall I understand that the two principle questions re unveiling myths (using OR since the previously presented "facts" have not been OR-ed from the very start, respectively possible subscription means to propagate Wiki-content) shall be discussed here? 
Fyi, I have commented upon the "we" concern on the Help Desk page (explained in the Background subsection of our posting to Discussion of the "Ging gang goolie" article)[[User:Brommabo|Brommabo]] ([[User talk:Brommabo|talk]]) 09:10, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

== Venture Patrols ==

You probably know this and it doesn't effect the revert that you did on [[Varsity Scouting (Boy Scouts of America)]] but Scouting has had Venture patrols which are part of the traditional BSA Troop program (and could be considered Venture Scouting), though I don't personally know of any troops that have a venture patrol :).  --[[User_talk:Trödel|<span style="color:#0066CC;">Trödel</span>]] 23:05, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

:The added text was changed from "Boy Scouting and Exploring" to "Boy, Varsity, and Venture Scouting." The paragraph clearly starts in the 1970s, before the introduction of Varsity teams and Venture crews in the troop (which started around the same time). The BSA does not use the term [[Venture Scout]],[http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Media/LOS/All.aspx] although is it used incorrectly by others in reference to Venture patrols or Venturing. And yes, the use of the similar terms Venture and Venturing to mean different programs is confusing. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 23:57, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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== [[Template:Cite journal]] ==

Is it possible you could do at least a partial revert to restore functionality? I mentioned that [[Template_talk:Cite_journal#Recent_edit_to_remove_URL_generation_from_PMC_parameter|here]], FYI. I won't be watching for your reply on this talk page, so please respond there. Thanks. [[User:Jesanj|Jesanj]] ([[User talk:Jesanj|talk]]) 01:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

== RefToolbar ==

Hi! It seems to me that you understand something about [[Wikipedia:RefToolbar|this]]. Is it possible to add some more fields? I'm interested to add "Authot" parameter to at least "Web" section (the first one). I use [[Wikipedia:RefToolbar 1.0|RefToolbar 1.0]] ([[User:Edgars2007/MediaWiki:RefToolbarLegacy.js|here is my js file]]). Could you help me? Or if not, than maybe suggest somebody who could help? --'''[[User:Edgars2007|<font color="FF6600">Edgars2007</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Edgars2007|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Edgars2007|Contributions]]) 17:29, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

::I'm not really a JavaScript programmer. Do you realize that '''last''' and '''author''' are aliases and render the exact same visual and medatadata? As do '''last1''', '''author1''' through '''last9''', '''author9'''.  ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 17:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
::OK, thanks! --'''[[User:Edgars2007|<font color="FF6600">Edgars2007</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Edgars2007|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Edgars2007|Contributions]]) 17:47, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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== Re: [[Wikipedia:Help desk#Cite error: Invalid .3Cref.3E tag.3B refs with no name must have content.3B Message on Wikipedia Page|Help desk]] ==

In response to [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=473784866 your question], as it's off topic from the poster's issue, I'm posting this here: the help tab could, I suppose, be turned into an animated file. [[User:Dru of Id|Dru of Id]] ([[User talk:Dru of Id|talk]]) 04:25, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

== Doc pages in template sandbox ==

Gadget, re {{diff|Template:Citation/core/sandbox|prev|473968767|this edit}} - the problem with removing the {{tag|noinclude|content={{tlx|documentation}}}} from a template sandbox is that you no longer have the [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:ComparePages&page1=Template:Citation/core&page2=Template:Citation/core/sandbox diff link] for comparing the sandbox to main. Another problem is that when updating main from sandbox, you then need to remember to restore the {{tag|noinclude|content={{tlx|documentation}}}} rather than do a straight copy. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 11:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

:I did that deliberately while I am troubleshooting a problem. When you check used templates, templates used on the doc page are include. I will fix it when I finish. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 11:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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* [[Template talk:Navbox#Option to remove border, but keep same "level" used for colouring]]
Hi. I think your input would be useful. Thanks. [[User:Alarbus|Alarbus]] ([[User talk:Alarbus|talk]]) 13:06, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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== Merger discussion ==

You may be interested in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Force_(advertisement)#Proposed_merger this discussion].[[User:Vchimpanzee|<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee</font>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 19:46, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

== MSU Interview ==

Dear Gadget850,


My name is Jonathan Obar [[user:Jaobar]], I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community,  and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_82#Learn_to_be_a_Wikipedia_Administrator_-_New_class_at_MSU|HERE]], were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:
* Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
* Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
* All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
* All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
* The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name [[User:Jaobar/Admins_to_Interview_List_1|HERE]] instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --[[User:Jaobar|Jaobar]] ([[User talk:Jaobar|talk]]) 19:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

== Burnham ==

Thanks, I saw the comments.  I'll go through the problems identified and make the adjustments.  The HTML source the admin identified won't work for finding page numbers, but I have a first edition of the the Harding-Davis book and I'll use it to cite the pages. [[User:Ctatkinson|Ctatkinson]] ([[User talk:Ctatkinson|talk]]) 15:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

:Good. I wasn't very involved with content, mostly technical fixes. I know where this leaked in and I am going to have to check other articles. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 15:25, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
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==Citation template help==

Hello! I've seen your name on several edits to the citation templates in Wikipedia, so I'm hoping you can help me.

Back in the day, citations listed under the "References" section of Wikipedia used to include the url to the source at the very end of the citation. Here's an example of this in action on a wiki I'm using: http://limswiki.org/index.php/Data_analysis

Note in that example the URL appearing again at the end. It's my understanding that the templates on that wiki site were based on Wikipedia's, but I'm not sure. Point being, I've tried my darndest to discover what template I need to manipulate to remove that extra untitled URL from the citation. I thought it was citation/core, but I think it goes deeper. I'm a bit confused by the patchwork of templates, and I was hoping you might have insight into what I need to edit. At a minimum, I just need to know what template(s) to look at specifically to alter the appearance of the citations in the "References" section.

If you can't help me, could you please suggest a user who understands how the citation templates work? Thanks '''so''' much for your time. 

Shawn - [[User:Lostraven|Lostraven]] ([[User talk:Lostraven|talk]]) 22:58, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


I think you need to update [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]:

<syntaxhighlight lang="css">
/* For linked citation numbers and document IDs, where
   the number need not be shown on a screen or a handheld,
   but should be included in the printed version */
@media screen, handheld {
    .citation *.printonly {
        display: none;
    }
}</syntaxhighlight>

The second URL should show only when you print, otherwise it should be hidden. You have {{code|.cite}} instead of the {{code|.citation}} class. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 23:30, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


Wow! I don't think I would have ever found that. I would have kept digging around in templates thinking it was a template issue. Changing that line indeed resolved this issue. Today I learned... 

Thanks for taking the time to reply to this. I know you didn't have to look at that, but you did. I'd buy you a beer if I could. Thanks again.

Shawn - [[User:Lostraven|Lostraven]] ([[User talk:Lostraven|talk]]) 18:22, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks. Took me a bit to figure that out, so I am documenting the CSS at {{tl|Citation/core}}. There are related rules in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]], such as citation target highlighting. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 18:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

== [[Template:cite news/doc]] ==

Hello Gadget;  thank you for your edits.  I've temporarily rolled-back [[Template:cite news/doc]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACite_news%2Fdoc&action=historysubmit&diff=477215740&oldid=477190800] as it appears to have dropped a large amount of newspaper-specific material, which I suspect was probably not intentional (I've checked the Talk page and can't see anything there, so my apologies if I've missed a larger discussion/decision somewhere else).  —[[User:Sladen|Sladen]] ([[User talk:Sladen|talk]]) 17:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
:What is missing? What can be tweaked at {{tl|csdoc}}? ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 17:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
::Good question;  I can look in more detail over the weekend at the new templates.  In particular; the previous (more detailed) wording was in the middle of being discussed at [[User talk:Sladen#Grand Central Railway]] (which is the reason why I noticed so quickly).  This particular <code>publisher=</code> entry contained guidance specific to {{tlx|cite news|}} (vs. generic {{tlx|cite book}}/{{tlx|cite web}}).  In these cases is may/may not be a good idea to combine the help information across all uses unless there is a method by which the specific use-case guidance can also be offered. —[[User:Sladen|Sladen]] ([[User talk:Sladen|talk]]) 08:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
::::I am dropping updates to {{tl|cite news}} for now and removing it from my watch list. I will check back in a few months and see how it compares to the other {{cs1}} templates. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 09:36, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::Gadget, could you please explain what you were trying to do here? I don't understand what the code is all about but, like Sladen, I am concerned about losing some guidelines that I think are very important. -- [[User:Alarics|Alarics]] ([[User talk:Alarics|talk]]) 10:57, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::The documentation for the {{cs1}} series of templates has been tweaked per template util it has drifted. I have been using {{tl|Citation Style documentation}} to create consistent documentation pages. {{tl|Cite news|}} is the only one of the 18 templates left, and I will look back on it few months. I presume you are referring to guidelines interpreted by templates, as templates don't set guidelines.  ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 11:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Pretty much completed the updates on the other 17 templates. {{tl|Cite news}} is on my to-do list to revisit in July. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 18:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I meant the guidelines for using the templates. For instance, telling people not to use the "publisher" parameter for the name of the publication; and that the place of publication should be given if it is not already part of the name of the publication. These are very important, as also is the clarification that some parameters are essential while others are optional. All this, which is special to "cite news", disappeared in the edit you made which Sladen then reverted (and despite your reply to my question, I still don't understand what you were trying to do). -- [[User:Alarics|Alarics]] ([[User talk:Alarics|talk]]) 22:50, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::{{tl|Citation Style documentation}} is being used to build consistent documentation pages for {{cs1}} templates. Take a look at the template documentation as it was. Regardless, I am out of cite news for now— plenty on my to do list.---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 23:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

{{outdent}}I really don't want to get sucked into this right now, but let me try to elaborate a bit.

Here is the current description of '''title''' for {{tlx|cite news}}:

{{quotation|*'''title''': Title of the article. Note that title must be on one line in order for the hyperlink (if there is one) to display properly. Do not enclose it in quotations marks, italics or other formatting, though it may be wikilinked. Reduce "all capitals" to some other [[Title_case#Headings_and_publication_titles|title case.]]}}

Here is {{tlx|csdoc|title_quotes}} (where {{tlx|csdoc}} is a shortcut for {{tlx|Citation Style documentation}})
{{quotation|{{csdoc|title_quotes}}}}

If we want to add the advice on capitalization, then we browse to {{tlx|Citation Style documentation}} scroll down to {{code|title_italics}} and click on [edit subtemplate], edit as needed, save and all uses are now updated.

And now that I look at it, the current description of '''date''' is both lacking and misleading:

{{quotation|*'''date''': Date of publication. To avoid ambiguity, write out the month in words, using the same date format as in the main text of the article.  When this information is absent for an online source consider using {{tl|cite web}} instead.}}

Where {{tlx|csdoc|date}} gives:
{{quotation|{{csdoc|date}}}}

If you take a look at {{tl|Citation Style documentation}}, you will see that it allows for a variety of parameter descriptions, depending on the citation template.

And I was going to propose a column parameter for  {{tl|cite news}} that would be pretty easy to implement.

---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 00:27, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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== Geographic features and Rayado Program merge ==

Discussion for merging [[Baldy Mountain (Colfax County, New Mexico)|Baldy]], [[Mount Phillips (New Mexico)|Mt Phillips]], [[Tooth of Time|the Tooth]], and [[Urraca Mesa|Urraca]] into the [[Philmont_Scout_Ranch#Location_and_geography|Location and geography]] section as well as [[Rayado Program]] into the [[Philmont_Scout_Ranch#Rayado_program|Rayado Program]] subsection of [[Philmont Scout Ranch]] is now on [[Talk:Philmont Scout Ranch|the PSR talk page]] [[Talk:Philmont_Scout_Ranch#Merge_of_Tooth_of_Time.2C_Mt_Baldy.2C_Urraca_Mesa.2C_and_Mt_Phillips|here]] and [[Talk:Philmont_Scout_Ranch#Merge_of_Rayado_Program|here]].  [[User:Zybthranger|ZybthRanger]]<sup>[[User talk:Zybthranger|&nbsp;(''talk'')]][[Special:Contributions/Zybthranger|&nbsp;(''contribs'')]]</sup> 14:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

:I saw your proposals and will comment. Please advertise these at [[WP:SCOUT]]. I ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 14:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


== Why full links rather than wikilinks ==

I am cleaning up http: links to protocol relative links, and see at [[MediaWiki:Cite_error_group_refs_without_references]] [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Cite_error_group_refs_without_references&diff=next&oldid=313176594] that we are not only not protocol relative, but we also aren't using internal wikilinks.  Any reason why we went that way? Nothing springs to my mind. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 02:50, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:If you edit the page you will get an editnotice that leads you to {{phab|19865}}. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 02:56, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:: )-: okay, I have just updated to protocol relative.  [[mw:Extension:Cite]] really needs a thorough reaming as it is buggy in several places. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 03:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::OK; double checked and the link works. BTW: {{tl|cite.php}} is a shortcut that gives {{cite.php}}. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 10:51, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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== [[Template:HD/redirect]] ==

I have expanded [[Template:HD/redirect]] and mentioned it at [[User talk:Mdennis (WMF)#Request for help with a technical issue]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:20, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:I hoped that would happen. Is there a bug report? ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 02:24, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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== Martin ==

[[User:Smith609]] tends to be off-wiki for many days at a time. If you're thinking of doing anything on those templates prior to his return, you should think about emailing him a heads-up. Cheers, [[User:LeadSongDog|LeadSongDog]] <small>[[User talk:LeadSongDog#top|<span style="color:red; font-family:Papyrus;">come howl!</span>]]</small> 14:08, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

== a better citation footnote template ==

* [[Template talk:Ref web#Proposal]]
[[User:CharlesGillingham]]'s, not mine. I think it would be great if you, Rich Farmbrough, Thumperward, and Plastikspork all participated and got this going with all nits resolved. [[User:Alarbus|Alarbus]] ([[User talk:Alarbus|talk]]) 01:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Superfluous link? ==

Hi, re {{diff|Wikipedia:RefToolbar|prev|479456040|this edit}} - what is the difference between [[MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js]] and [[MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js]]? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
:Copied something wrong, now I have to dig back again. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 19:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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== List TOC ==

Your 'List TOC' template looks good to me. Thanks for asking. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
: I relisted the ColorTOC discussion to allow for more comment on the new List TOC.  Thanks for taking the time to create it. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 14:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

::Heh. I was just about to create a custom template for a list article when I stumbled over that TfD. I think this is better. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 14:38, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== File:Scouts Canada.svg ==

There was no justification for user:Tawker to have speedy deleted this file. It was a perfect svg representation (not "older" as claimed) of the Scouts Canada ''emblem''. Emblems are used in infoboxes, not "logos" or current branding. Nothing was significantly different from the smaller, lower quality logo being foisted now. Please restore it, and consider the Scouting WPMOS, which is aiming toward svgification of all Scout national emblems. Again, a discussion was warranted before user:Tawker did this unilateral move. The emblem _was_ in use, and was deleted without proper discussion. Please restore.--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 04:48, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

== Cite error: Invalid ref name=... ... /ref ==
Hi, Gadget850. I'm getting 
* Cite error: Invalid ref tag; no text was provided for refs named ManualMOOIIa1; see Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text - ? references?
* Cite error: Invalid ref tag; no text was provided for refs named 144-145.2Civ; see Help:Cite errors/Cite 
* Cite error: Invalid ref tag; no text was provided for refs named iv.2C93; see Help:Cite errors Cite error references no text
* Lost Empire: Immortals (2008).Cite error: Closing ref missing for ref tag; see the help page (unlike games such as Space Empires or Master of Orion III) where interstellar travel is possible only or mainly via "wormholes"
* uncreative race will be left in a completely hopeless position, but looks rather odd. Cite error: ref tag with name "MOOIIManual" defined in references is not used in prior text; 
* ManualMOOII|144-145,iv}} - Victory conditions - Antaran homeworld (via a Dimensional Portal)

If I've got the wrong Gadget, please redirect to the right person and send a message to my Talk. --[[User:Philcha|Philcha]] ([[User talk:Philcha|talk]]) 09:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

:* You simply cannot just copy and past {{tag|ref|o}} into a discussion; please learn to use the {{tl|tag}} template. OK: you refactored this yourself.
:* I have no specific clue where you are seeing these errors. Your last edits were to [[User:Philcha/Sandbox/MOO 2 - 9]], which has a number of cite errors.
:* You need to read [[Help:Footnotes]]. You need to read the help page for each of the error messages.
:* I will be glad to help you with specific errors, but you have to give me enough details to work with. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 09:05, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

== My Sandbox ==

"My sandbox" is new, right? I like it, where was it announced or discussed? [[User:Speciate|Speciate]] ([[User talk:Speciate|talk]]) 15:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
::So I don't have to dig up those discussion again, I added them to [[Help:My sandbox]]. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 16:33, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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== MOTDs ([[Wikipedia:MOTD|This space for rent]]) ==

You may have noticed over the past few days that the MOTD that you link to on your user page has simply displayed a red link. This is due to the fact that not enough people are reviewing pending MOTDs [[Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/In review|here]]. Please help us keep the MOTD template alive and simply go and review a few of the MOTDs in the list. That way we can have a real MOTD in the future rather than re-using ([[Wikipedia:MOTD|This space for rent]]). Any help would be appreciated! –[[User:Pjoef|p<span style="color: #802400">joe</span>f]] <small>(''[[User talk:Pjoef|talk]]'' • [[Special:Contributions/Pjoef|contribs]])</small> 10:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

== Template:Cite ISBN ==

I like the [[User:Gadget850/Template/cite isbn]] concept if it were able to have the fields filled out from a reliable source of isbn data. [[WorldCat]] would be good. -- [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] ([[User_talk:Alan_Liefting|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting|contribs]]) 23:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:It would need a bot for that; not one of my skills. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 00:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

== Happy Adminship Anniversary ==

<div style="align: upperright; padding: 1em; border: solid 3px #2B547E; background-color: #E6E6FA;">[[File:Wikipe-tan mopping.png|left|60px| ]] Wishing <b>[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]</b> a very '''happy adminship anniversary''' on behalf of the '''[[WP:BDC|Wikipedia Birthday Committee]]'''! [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust, B.Ed.]] [[User talk:Armbrust|<sup style="color:#E3A857;">Let's talk</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|<sub style="color:#008000;">about my edits?</sub>]] 00:54, 10 March 2012 (UTC)</div>

{{clear|left}}
== Forked template ==

* {{tl|sfn/ps}}
* [[Template talk:Sfn#Option to remove terminal full stop in short form]]

It seems to me that this is an inappropriate fork of {{tl|sfn}}. I don't really care about a stop or not on the end of footnotes. The project has more pressing issues. Both aspects of this are getting away from the concept of short footnotes; the added "." ''and'' the added "/ps". Things should be consolidating on consistent ways of doing things, not fragmenting off into myriad variations.

As as substantial duplication of {sfn}, {sfn/ps} may qualify as a [[WP:CSD#T3]]. I even considered tagging it, but figured best to ask here. I'm going to point Thumperward at this thread, too. I really don't think forking templates to get rid of a mere stop is appropriate. [[User:Alarbus|Alarbus]] ([[User talk:Alarbus|talk]]) 10:41, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
:Maybe if its /doc illustrated a better use than "."? — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  18:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

==Very important Help==
Hi. I am editing the template "cite web" in another wiki but when I show the results, something like this appears:

{{cite web|url=http://www.google.com|title=search here|accessdate=13 march 2012}} [http://www.google.com http://www.google.com]

I do not understand why the web link appears again in the end (http://www.google.com). Can you help me with my trouble?

I wish to thank you very much with any help you can give to me

Thanks a lot,

[[User:Ricardo Ferreira de Oliveira|Ricardo Ferreira de Oliveira]] ([[User talk:Ricardo Ferreira de Oliveira|talk]]) 15:10, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

:You need to update your [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] per [[Template:Citation/core#Supporting CSS]]. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 16:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

:: Thank you very much for the help! Best regards, [[User:Ricardo Ferreira de Oliveira|Ricardo Ferreira de Oliveira]] ([[User talk:Ricardo Ferreira de Oliveira|talk]]) 21:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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== Category:Citation Style 1 specific-source templates ==

Is [[:Category:Citation Style 1 specific-source templates]] intended to be a "list" category of all such templates, or a "browse" category with templates in subcats? I added [[:Category:Cue sports source templates]] (itself having a [[:Category:Snooker source templates]] subcat) to {{Cat|Citation Style 1 specific-source templates}} because they're all in CS1 format, assuming "browse" mode, but I'm thinking it probably is intended to be in "list" modes, so I should undo that an add <code><nowiki>[[Citation Style 1 specific-source templates]]</nowiki></code> to all template templates indivdually, yes? <small>(A {{tl|Shoutbox}} msg. at my talk is requested if you reply; I don't watchlist user talk pages because my WL is over 5,000 items, so I wouldn't notice the reply anyway, probably).</small> — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  18:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:List. There is every potential for someone to create a non-compliant template for that series of sources. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 21:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

::Okay. Will fix.  I left a reply to you at my talk about the other thing. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  07:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

== Infobox consolidation ==

* [[User talk:Alarbus#Infobox consolidation]]
We have a volunteer with three templates on offer; care to take it on? (also gonna ask Thumperward). [[User:Alarbus|Alarbus]] ([[User talk:Alarbus|talk]]) 06:35, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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== User script listings cleanup project ==
I'm leaving this message for known script authors, recent contributors to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts]], and those who've shown interest in user scripts. 

This scripts listing page is in dire need of cleanup. To facilitate this, I've created a new draft listing at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts cleanup]]. You're invited to list scripts you know to be currently working and relevant. Eventually this draft page can replace the current scripts listing. 

If you'd like to comment or collaborate on this proposal, see the discussion I started here: [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts#Scripts listing cleanup project]]. Thanks! <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Equazcion|<span style="color:#000080">'''Equazcion'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Equazcion|'''<sup>(<span style="color:#007BA7">talk</span>)</sup>''']]</small> 02:42, 25 Mar 2012 (UTC)</font>

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== Camp Long Lake ==

[[Camp Long Lake]] will probably be deleted by the time you get this because it was a redirect to itself. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 10:25, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

== Templates for Displaying Military Ribbons/Medals as Worn? ==

Are there any templates that will display a user's military ribbons/medals as worn on their uniform?  If not, how did you get yours to show up?  Thank you.  [[User:Morriswa|Allen]] ([[User talk:Morriswa|talk]]) 11:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

:I just use {{tl|quote box}} and {{tl|ribbon devices}}:

{{markup
|<nowiki>{{Quote box
| align = left
| halign = center
| quote= {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Superior Unit Award ribbon.svg|width=58}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Valorous Unit Award ribbon.svg|width=58}}<br />
{{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Commendation Medal ribbon.svg|width=60|number=1}}<br />
{{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Achievement Medal ribbon.svg|width=60}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Good Conduct Ribbon.jpg|width=60}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=National Defense Service Medal ribbon.svg|width=60}}<br />
{{ribbon devices|ribbon=Southwest Asia Service Medal ribbon.svg||number=3|type=award-star|width=60}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=NCO Professional Development Ribbon.svg|width=60|number=2}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Service Ribbon.svg|width=60}}<br />
{{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Overseas Service Ribbon.svg|width=60}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Kuwait Liberation Medal (Saudi Arabia) ribbon.svg|width=60}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Kuwait Liberation Medal (Kuwait) ribbon.svg|width=60}}<br />
}}</nowiki>
|{{Quote box
| align = left
| halign = center
| quote= {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Superior Unit Award ribbon.svg|width=58}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Valorous Unit Award ribbon.svg|width=58}}<br />
{{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Commendation Medal ribbon.svg|width=60|number=1}}<br />
{{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Achievement Medal ribbon.svg|width=60}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Good Conduct Ribbon.jpg|width=60}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=National Defense Service Medal ribbon.svg|width=60}}<br />
{{ribbon devices|ribbon=Southwest Asia Service Medal ribbon.svg||number=3|type=award-star|width=60}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=NCO Professional Development Ribbon.svg|width=60|number=2}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Service Ribbon.svg|width=60}}<br />
{{ribbon devices|ribbon=Army Overseas Service Ribbon.svg|width=60}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Kuwait Liberation Medal (Saudi Arabia) ribbon.svg|width=60}} {{ribbon devices|ribbon=Kuwait Liberation Medal (Kuwait) ribbon.svg|width=60}}<br />
}}}}

::Gadget850, thank you for the "suggestion" of the Quote box.  Could you look at [[User:Morriswa/My userboxes|my userbox page]]?  I need to see if I did it right.  If you have any questions, feel free to ask.  [[User:Morriswa|Allen]] ([[User talk:Morriswa|talk]]) 01:15, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

==Smithsonian Institution Archives Edit-a-Thon and Meetup!==
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|<center>[[Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 30|'''''She Blinded Me with Science''''': '''Smithsonian Women in Science Edit-a-Thon''']] will be held on Friday, March 30, 2012 at the [http://siarchives.si.edu/about/contact-us Smithsonian Archives] in Washington, D.C. This edit-a-thon will focus on improving and writing Wikipedia content about women from the Smithsonian who contributed to the sciences. It will be followed by a happy hour meetup!
We look forward to seeing you there!</center>
|}...and if you do not live in the Washington, D.C. area, please forgive the intrusion and you can delete this invite! [[User:SarahStierch|Sarah]] ([[User talk:SarahStierch|talk]]) 18:12, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


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== Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted ==

I invite you to the [[mw:Berlin_Hackathon_2012|yearly Berlin hackathon]], 1-3 June. [https://wmberlin.eventbrite.com/ Registration is now open].  If you need financial assistance or help with visa or hotel, then please register by May 1st and mention it in [https://wmberlin.eventbrite.com/ the registration form]. 

This is the premier event for the MediaWiki and Wikimedia technical community.  We'll be hacking, designing, teaching, and socialising, primarily talking about [[mw:ResourceLoader|ResourceLoader]] and Gadgets ([[mw:Gadget kitchen|extending functionality with JavaScript]]), the switch to [[mw:Lua scripting|Lua for templates]], [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata Wikidata], and [[mw:Wikimedia Labs|Wikimedia Labs]].

We want to bring 100-150 people together, including lots of people who have not attended such events before.  User scripts, gadgets, API use, Toolserver, Wikimedia Labs, mobile, structured data, templates -- if you are into any of these things, we want you to come!

I also thought you might want to know about [[mw:MediaWiki developer meetings|other upcoming events]] where you can learn more about MediaWiki customization and development, how to best use the [[mw:API|web API]] for bots, and various upcoming features and changes.  We'd love to have power users, bot maintainers and writers, and template makers at these events so we can all learn from each other and chat about what needs doing.

Check out the the [[wm2012:Hackathon|developers' days preceding Wikimania in July in Washington, DC]] and [[mw:MediaWiki developer meetings|our other events]].

Best wishes!
- [[mw:User:Sumanah|Sumana Harihareswara]], Wikimedia Foundation's Volunteer Development Coordinator.  Please reply on my talk page, here or [[mw:User talk:Sumanah|at mediawiki.org]]. 
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== [[Template:Citation Style documentation/issue]] ==

Please undelete [[Template:Citation Style documentation/issue]], as it is used as part of the documentation for [[Template:Citation]]. It may very well be used for other docs, but it is used in the doc for the major template [[Template:Citation]]. Thanks. [[User:LikeLakers2|LikeLakers2]] ([[User talk:LikeLakers2|talk]] &#124; [[User:LikeLakers2/guestbook|Sign my guestbook!]])  19:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

:Removed from the doc page. Issue is now under periodical, as it is a conditional; i.e. issue only shows if one of the periodical parameters is set. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 19:10, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

::If the parameter is not explained, then the parameter should not be there at all. It is important that the parameter be explained, because the parameter is there and is useful. Please undelete it instead. Thanks. [[User:LikeLakers2|LikeLakers2]] ([[User talk:LikeLakers2|talk]] &#124; [[User:LikeLakers2/guestbook|Sign my guestbook!]])  19:21, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

:::See [[Template:Citation/doc#Periodical]] which documents '''issue'''. As [[Template:Citation/doc#Syntax]] explains, child parameters (secondary bullets) are dependent upon the parent parameter. In this case, '''issue''' {{em|will not show}} if '''work''' is not defined. There is no need for a separate explanation of '''issue'''. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 20:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

== Activating {{tl|Harvard citation/core}} ==

I thought I'd leave you a message here rather than at [[Template talk:Sfn]], given that you seem to be a bit disillusioned with sorting out the "sfn" templates (or have I mis-read you?). As someone who works on the taxobox templates, and also having taught software engineering for many years, I know that avoiding redundancy by having a core template which is used by a set of variants is an overwhelmingly good idea. So I strongly urge you to activate the sandboxed versions, regardless of whether there is agreement or not on a centralized talk page. The interests of template users are different from those of template maintainers. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 20:14, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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== Cite video ==

Hi, in {{tlx|cite video}}, you've marked {{para|year}} as deprecated - but it's shown on the template's doc page, so people are using it. There are now hundreds of pages showing in {{cl|Pages containing cite templates with deprecated parameters}} that definitely weren't there when I did {{diff|Brian O'Leary|prev|487180443|this edit}} yesterday. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

:Whoops. I copied from the list at the top of the category. I meant to take month and year out. Fixed. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 10:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

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{{la|Patriarch Eutychius of Constantinople}}<br>I'm stuck! I can't see why this article is in [[:Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting]]. I did spot that you couldn't jump from "Sinclair 1911" in footnotes 2, 3 and 5 down to the "Sinclair" line in the "Attribution" section. I managed to fix that with [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_DCBL&diff=prev&oldid=487817332 an edit] to {{tp|Cite DCBL}}. But the article stayed in the error category. Any ideas? -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 11:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:Just stuck in the job queue: the page is not in the hidden category (you can show hidden cats in preferences). I made some minor edits and it refreshed the cache; see [[WP:NULL]]. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 11:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
::Ah, I only purged the page. Thank you. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 11:58, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

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== Reminiscent greetings  ==

Hello Gadget850. It has been a while since I messaged you to any regards. We interacted a bit on the Pershing article. Anyway, you were one of the first Wikipedians I interacted with when joining this site, and I wish to extend thanks,  for the exemplary manner you conducted yourself. Your professionalism is largely attributable to why I stayed active on this site. Ironically, we appear now to have similar goals regarding the discography infobox for music artists. I'd like to collaborate with you to this end, and would certainly appreciate your assistance reaching goals I am pursuing. Circumstances have motivated me to desire increased documentation on music producers. I am developing a sister project to facilitate this desire. Only yesterday did I create a dedicated portal. I anticipate there may be calls to delete my efforts, but am proceeding in contrary hopes. If you are not averse, it would be great having you sign the member-list, and assist organizing. There are several templates in development you could help refine, including the infobox for production discographies: [[Template:Infobox producer discography]], which intentionally mirrors the artist discography template, with some necessary modifications. Its active use is viewable at [[Richard Landis discography]] (a solution for the secondary color conundrum is functional within this template) My recent history reflects the fuller details, and the [[Portal:Record production]] is wide open for development. Your candid regards would be appreciated if you have any thoughts. Thanks in advance. [[User:My76Strat|My76Strat]] ([[User talk:My76Strat|talk]]) 23:08, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

== Multiple uses of reflist ==

You may be interested in the explanation at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Display does not correspond to edit]]. After finding the problem I looked for documentation and found [[Template:Reflist#Multiple uses]], [[Help:Footnotes#Multiple reference lists]], [[Help talk:Footnotes/Archive 1#Multiple reference lists]], [[User:Gadget850/Multiple uses of reflist]]. So the problem and a solution was known but maybe not the precise cause of the problem. I guess it can only be fixed by a MediaWiki change to transclude again instead of copy when references are rendered by a template without parameters. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 01:11, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think there is a bug report on this. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 11:47, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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==Godwins Law==
This has almost become a knee jerk reflex in the US. You have beeen stationed in Germany and I thank you. You good guys were a blessing. I am now living in US. I have not been talking about Nazis, but about commies. Jena was  former GDR. I just tried to give my countryman comfort. The paranoia from commie times sticks deep. Please, for 40 years we have been waiting for a commie attack, or for waking up dead after a nuke strike. And they have been under orders by their regime for 40 years, including cadre training and brainwash. Did you listen to their radio stations while in Germany? Then you know.

I have to regret to say that US education, except with a few elites, seems to be abysmal. It is like Sports=A, History=F. And it gets worse in the young generation. Then it is also MTV=A. Interests and reading understanding resemble those of not too bright 14-year olds.

Frequently TV political discussions talk screaming idiocy. The dominant influence is right-populist, and largely undisturbed by facts.
But as a guest I have to leave it to the Americans. Just my 2 cents.
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==Talkback==
{{talkback|Template talk:Reflist|Multiple columns|ts=18:29, 5 May 2012 (UTC)}}
'' '''[[User:DBigXray|<font color="indigo">Ð</font><font color="darkorange">ℬig</font>]]'''[[User talk:DBigXray|<font color="#06D206" style="text-shadow:1px 1px 3px #999;">XЯaɣ</font>]]'' 18:29, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

:That page is on my watch list. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 18:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply sorry for the TB i could not assume that you were watching it. --'' '''[[User:DBigXray|<font color="indigo">Ð</font><font color="darkorange">ℬig</font>]]'''[[User talk:DBigXray|<font color="#06D206" style="text-shadow:1px 1px 3px #999;">XЯaɣ</font>]]'' 19:08, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

== Unsigned own post? ==

How did [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29&diff=491263796&oldid=491263631] happen? I have never seen somebody use {{tl|Unsigned}} in their own post. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:54, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

:Cut and paste from another post I did earlier today. {{Smiley|4}} ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 01:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

::Ah, that makes sense. I wondered whether you used a strange tool which detected the post was unsigned and then added {{tl|Unsigned}} instead of signing it. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 01:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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== Wikipedia talk:RefToolbar 2.0 ==

Hi- Wondering if you could also take a look at [[Wikipedia talk:RefToolbar 2.0#Cite button]]. In version 2.0, the "Cite" button is missing when editing any mainspace article, but it appears in the enhanced toolbar when editing other namespaces, like "Talk, Category, Template, etc." Thanks, --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 17:07, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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== You have a reply... ==

I've replied at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#replacing references temporarily]]. &nbsp; &nbsp; [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 11:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

== Problematic edits ==

'''Errors by script?''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=George_Orwell_bibliography&curid=22281825&diff=494791381&oldid=491964649 This edit] produced several problems (de-capitalizing proper names, de-linking relevant terms, removing [[non-breaking space]]s per [[WP:DASH]]) and null edits (inserting spaces between a bullet and the beginning of text in a list) without a clear purpose as far as I can see. This seems to be done through (semi-)automation, so you really need to stop and review how this script/shell/etc. works, since it is not operating properly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:37, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
:'''And again''' It's removing [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Eurovision_Song_Contest_winners&diff=prev&oldid=494789058 relevant links] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=South_Stoneham_House&diff=prev&oldid=494657200 non-breaking spaces] and sometimes [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=German_hospital_ship_Ophelia&diff=prev&oldid=494658437 shuffling the non-breaking spaces to where they are not supposed to be]. This is from a cursory glance at a dozen or so mainspace edits. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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== [[Cloud.com]] ==

Can you please add proper cite sources templates rather than bare URLs. [[User:Extra999|<span style="color: green">extra<small>999</small></span>]] ([[User talk:Extra999|<span style="color: black">talk</span>]]) 19:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
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== Mansfield ==

I've put all the refs for the Mansfield Biography in cite templates, except for one: There's a ref at the end of the 2nd paragraph in the death section, it's showing as ref # 216 at the moment, that references a Congressional Commitee decision; I didn't know what temp to use for this. I've also followed the date changes you made, using month day, year in the ones I've done today. I should be able to finish the rest, from "recognition" on, soon. [[User talk:INeverCry|<font face="AR Cena" color="black"><b>INeverCry</b></font>]]  22:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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The biggest project I've been working on this month has been a large survey of users to find out what they think of our current help pages. [[Wikipedia:Help Project/June 2012 survey|Preliminary results]] from this are now available, although there are more responses trickling in from the lower edit count groups since a batch of email invitations were recently sent out. Finalised results and further analysis should be posted next week.

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== Template:Silr/generaldoc ==

fyi, since you seem to enjoy citation and footnote templates ... [[Special:Contributions/198.102.153.2|198.102.153.2]] ([[User talk:198.102.153.2|talk]]) 22:45, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Refs again ([[Jayne Mansfield]]) ==

Hola amigo. I believe some of the refs are majorly incomplete, but I can't decide the extent of completeness. Can you tag the incomplete refs, so that I can start making them complete? Also, I think some of the ref templates used have empty fields in them. Can you help by removing unnecessary empty fields? I hope I am not pestering too much. [[User:Aditya Kabir|<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; font-family:Kristen ITC; color:deeppink;">Aditya</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Aditya Kabir|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aditya Kabir|contribs]])</sup> 13:06, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

:Any incomplete refs I have come across I have tagged with {{full}}. I think I pretty well cleaned out unused parameters. I have not evaluated any citations as to verifiability. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 13:15, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
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== [[template:fcitation]] ==

Hi. I just stumbled into this ''new'' suite of 'fast' templates. They're fast because they're cut down, and I'm seeing them break pages they've been deployed to; specifically breaking harv/sfn links. Where's the most centralised page to discuss this? I'm not against faster, but am opposed to breakage and forking. The usual templates are too fat, and slimming them down would be good. These I believe go too far. [[User:Br&#39;er Rabbit|Br&#39;er Rabbit]] ([[User talk:Br&#39;er Rabbit|talk]]) 04:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
* [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Wikid77 and new 'fast' citation templates]] [[User:Br&#39;er Rabbit|Br&#39;er Rabbit]] ([[User talk:Br&#39;er Rabbit|talk]]) 05:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
: It's been shifted to [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Wikid77 and new 'fast' citation templates]]. [[User:Br&#39;er Rabbit|Br&#39;er Rabbit]] ([[User talk:Br&#39;er Rabbit|talk]]) 10:45, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Following the TfD to not use the above suite but to seek to improve the standard templates, Wikid77 has simply switched template names and posted a version of his reduced feature code as {{t|cite quick}}. I think he's into blockable [[WP:IDHT]] level disruption. [[User:Br&#39;er Rabbit|Br&#39;er Rabbit]] ([[User talk:Br&#39;er Rabbit|talk]]) 22:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

:<sigh> He is pretty sharp technically, but horrible at communicating.  ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 22:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

:: He would be useful, if he would collaborate. I think the prior TfD directly applies to this new variant. The ploy here seems to be to begin the template name with "cite" so as to be a part of that suite. Polemic name, really; we don't cite "quicks", we cite books, journals (and endless crappy websites;). [[User:Br&#39;er Rabbit|Br&#39;er Rabbit]] ([[User talk:Br&#39;er Rabbit|talk]]) 22:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

:::It is an good idea (see my todo list at the top right). I would have called it {{em|cite book lite}} or some such. My thought was to make a lite core that was compatible with the main core. But the more I document the current core, the more I realize how complex it is with dependencies: the date moves based on the presence of authors and when a periodical is defined, all sorts of things happen. We do have a number of cite templates that are not compatible with any of the styles. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 22:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

:::: I don't like any of the 'lite' approach at all. This is a [[camel's nose]] that could undermine the whole concept of structured citations. We don't want a significantly reduced parameter set, we want a robust set. This is demagoguery. That's why he won't talk with the technical people and lives on Jimmy's talk page. His snake oil is "fast", but at a cost many will not understand. If these get deployed there will be endless lost parameters as the unknowing simply "use the quick one".
:::: I don't care a whit about where the date appears, if there are commas, or periods. None of that matters. It's all driven by near religious adherence to styles hammered into people by schools. The cite/citation divergence needs to merge and crap like the ps= dropped. There probably are a few {cite xxx} that should be dispensed with. I occasionally run into some new (old) weird one. [[User:Br&#39;er Rabbit|Br&#39;er Rabbit]] ([[User talk:Br&#39;er Rabbit|talk]]) 22:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

* ''Another one'': {{t|cite web/smart}} and see:
** [[WP:VPT#Cite quick 12x faster for short cites]]
: [[User:Br&#39;er Rabbit|Br&#39;er Rabbit]] ([[User talk:Br&#39;er Rabbit|talk]]) 15:44, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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==[[List of Eagle Scouts]]==
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:{{fixed}} Cleaned up the ref. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 17:34, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you. Could not have done it without you!  <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 18:10, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

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==Centralized citation discussion==
Hello. We talked previously about centralized discussion of citation talk pages. I wanted to inform you there there is a discussion happening [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Institutes_of_Health#.22Cite_on_Wikipedia.22_tool_at_National_Center_for_Biotechnology_Information_website|here]] about United States governmental collaboration with Wikipedia in making citation easier. Might you be available to both participate in this and help me organize a broader discussion about how citations ought to be? I think that if anyone has ideas for reform this might be a good time to propose them. Do you know anyone who might have ideas? [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="cursor:help"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span></span>]] 13:10, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Keeping Citation/core perhaps another year ==
I cannot see any technical way to replace [[Template:Citation/core]] (due to complexity of numerous options being used) in less than 1 year (minimum), or perhaps 2 years. There has been a lot of wild speculation, such as using Lua to replace {Citation/core} "overnight" at the end of this year. Also, some people imagine that the Fcite templates will supercede and ''deprecate'' all {Citation/core} usage, but there is just no way to quickly redo those 23 {Cite_encyclopedia}, {Cite_press_release}, {Cite_news}, etc. Meanwhile, [[Template:Fcite_web]] is only intended to improve speed in major articles (perhaps 500), where edit-preview had exceeded 10-45 seconds. Some people seem to think, ''"Wow, if the speed is better, let's bot-edit everything immediately''" without considering how many thousands of the 1.6 million articles which use {Citation/core} are running rare options, and already reformat the article within 5 seconds anyway. Hopefully, the Fcite templates can take the "target off the back of {Citation/core}" in major articles, so that it can be improved, or rewritten, in a careful manner during the next year. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 13:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

: Please focus on improving the standard templates instead of seeking to reduce the coherency of citation techniques ;) [[User:Br&#39;er Rabbit|Br&#39;er Rabbit]] ([[User talk:Br&#39;er Rabbit|talk]]) 10:37, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Cite sign/techreport - accessed ==

Hi, is {{para|accessed}} deprecated in {{tlx|cite sign}} and {{tlx|cite techreport}}? You removed it from both templates together with {{para|date2}}{{para|month2}}{{para|year2}} but only removed the latter three from the two entries on {{cl|Pages containing cite templates with deprecated parameters}}. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:11, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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The past month has once again been a busy one for my fellowship. The full [[Wikipedia:Help Project/June 2012 survey|results and conclusions]] from the extensive user survey on help pages are now available, and make interesting reading. These do confirm a number of our suspicions about Wikipedia help, and suggest that the [[Wikipedia:Help Project/Community fellowship|current plan]] for the remainder of the fellowship is a sound approach.

Also last month I was fortunate enough to attend Wikimania 2012 in Washington DC, where I gave a presentation about help pages and the aforementioned survey results. You can find the slides from this [[:commons:File:Wikimania 2012 - Help pages fellowship.pdf|on Commons]]. Wikimania was also a great opportunity for many discussions with staff and community members, and these brought up some interesting ideas which I hope to follow up on.

One of the things much discussed was the planned tutorial pages. I've been working on a new design for them which can be seen at [[User:The wub/sandbox/1]], please let me know what you think (especially if you spot any bugs!).

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==Ancestry.com==
Hi. Having previously been involved in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_69#Ancestry.com_as_a_reference.3F a discussion] about Ancestry.com on RSN, could you join a discussion [[Talk:Rick Harrison|here]] to offer your opinion? A user is saying that some of the material on that site is not from users, but paid employees, and [[WP:BLPPRIMARY]] is also an issue. Thanks. [[User:Nightscream|Nightscream]] ([[User talk:Nightscream|talk]]) 09:35, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

==Boy Scouts Protection==
I am going to gently remind you "Administrators should not protect or unprotect a page to further their own positions in content disputes." Because I have some concerns based on your comments, recent actions, and history involving the Boy Scouts Article. I have raised [[wp:NPOV]] and [[WP:COI]] concerns with the recent dispute. One editor made 3 reverts in about 29 hours, and then has run around making accusation of warring when they are clearly at the epicenter. Either way that is not the point. If this article requires any further admin intervention, I would hope it is by another admin for the time being. I am not making any direct accusations as others have in this article, I just giving you the courtesy to notify of my concerns and certainly leaving the door open for you to explain yourself. From my perspective I would be at ease if you recuse yourself from this dispute and allow another editor who does not have ties to the article an opportunity to intervene.--[[User:0pen$0urce|0pen$0urce]] ([[User talk:0pen$0urce|talk]]) 21:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

:As the lead coordinator for WikiProject Scouting, I have tried to stay out of this particular issue. It is my responsibility to ensure that the articles under the project's purview remain stable. No one has violated 3RR yet, otherwise I would take this to [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring]]. I protected the article for 24 hours so that editors would cool off and discuss. If this does not work, I will push for mediation. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 21:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

The Admin Barnstar
	
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== Template troubles ==

Hi Gadget, I remember you were able to work some magic on the animal rights template when it wasn't collapsing properly. I was wondering if I could ask you to look at another one I'm trying to create. It's about an aspect of the Holocaust, still in userspace at [[User:SlimVirgin/template]].

I'm trying to create a collapsible timeline, but I can't find a way to make the text left aligned. If you click on "show" the timeline, you'll see that it's all centred, which looks very messy. Do you have any idea how to fix that? The template I'm using is [[Template:Sidebar with collapsible lists]]. I've been fiddling with it for ages (just using preview), but I'm stumped. Best, [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 20:36, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

:How now? ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 23:09, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

::That's great, thank you. I was tearing my hair out trying to find ways to place "left-align," and it was either making no difference, or it was placing the whole template on the left of the page. You really do know your magic! It's very much appreciated. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 02:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

==TfD for new Cite_web/smart==
I am contacting you, per [[wp:CANVAS]], after contacting mostly negative or positive editors, as a user previously neutral about quick, fast citation templates, in considering the latest TfD discussion. In this case, the template {[[Template:Cite_web/smart|Cite_web/smart]]} is finally the ''big upgrade'' to entirely replace {Cite_web} with a faster version that carefully checks the parameters to only invoke {Citation/core} for any rare parameters, else quickly formats a cite. See TfD of 11 August 2012:
:::*[[WP:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_August_11#Template:Cite_web.2Fsmart]]
This notice is only an FYI, as announcing the discussion under way. Feel free to oppose the template, support the template, ignore the discussion, or even delete this message. The TfD just started, so there should be, at least, 7 days to consider the issues. Thanks. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 21:17, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

== Main Page appearance ==

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of the article [[List of Eagle Scouts]] know that it will be appearing as [[Wikipedia:Today's featured list|the main page featured list]] on August 20, 2012. You can view the TFL blurb at [[Wikipedia:Today's featured list/August 20, 2012]]. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured list directors {{user|The Rambling Man}}, {{user|Dabomb87}} or {{user|Giants2008}}, or at [[Wikipedia talk:Today's featured list]]. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of [[Wikipedia:Today's featured list/requests/instructions|the suggested formatting]]. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the [[Main Page]] so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! [[User:Tbhotch|<span style="color:#4B0082;">Tb</span><span style="color:#6082B6;">hotch</span>]].<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<span style="color:#6B8E23;"><big>™</big></span>]]</sup> Grammatically incorrect? '''Correct it!''' [[User:Tbhotch/EN|<u>See terms and conditions.</u>]] 22:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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'''[[List of Eagle Scouts|Eagle Scout]]''' is the highest rank attainable in the [[Boy Scouting (Boy Scouts of America)|Boy Scouting]] program division of the [[Boy Scouts of America]] (BSA). Since it was first awarded to [[Arthur Eldred]] ''(pictured)'' on  August 21, 1912, Eagle Scout has been earned by more than two million young men. As of 2012, requirements include earning at least 21 [[Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America)|merit badges]], demonstrating [[Scout Spirit]], leadership, service and performing an [[Eagle Scout Service Project]]. Eagle Scouts are presented both a medal and badge that visibly recognize the accomplishments of the Scout. Eagle Palms are a further recognition, awarded for completing additional tenure, leadership and merit badge requirements. The [[Distinguished Eagle Scout Award]] (DESA) is bestowed to Eagle Scouts for nationally renowned distinguished service in their profession and to the community for a period of at least 25 years after earning the Eagle Scout rank. The [[National Eagle Scout Association]] [[Outstanding Eagle Scout Award]] is bestowed to Eagle Scouts who have distinguished themselves at a local-to-regional level or who have not yet met the 25 year tenure requirement to be considered for a DESA.

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==Citation/core resistant to improvements==
I know we are ''supposed'' to fix all the world's problems by magical changes to {Citation/core}, but my recent experiments have shown it to be fairly efficient code. Not much is gained by the risk of tinkering. Plus, {cite_web/smart} works fantastic with current {Citation/core} unchanged. Already, {cite_web/smart} runs 4x faster for short cites, causing big articles to edit-preview 2x faster. Because I know how hard and scary it is to upgrade templates used in over 300,000 articles (or 1.1 million), I think the unchanged {Citation/core} is "good news" and in fact, ''excellent news''. Some basic timings:
::* Calling {Citation/core} directly is nearly 2x faster than {cite_web}.
::* That means {Citation/core} is, already, fairly efficient if used less.
::* When {cite_web/smart} bypasses {Citation/core} for small cites, include-size is saved.
::* Tinkering with {Citation/core} improves speed 25% but raises include-size.
::* Where {cite_web/smart} is not used, raising include-size of {Citation/core} increases risk of template failure, until {cite_book/smart} comes along.
So, now, I am thinking, to test {cite_web/smart} with thorough examples, then #REDIRECT {cite_web} to {cite_web/smart}, while purposely leaving {Citation_core} basically unchanged (except for typical tweaking of formats). Then, the safety net lifeboat: if for any reason, the new {cite_web/smart} cannot continue, then revert the #REDIRECT, and continue the old {Citation/core} knowing that, under the worst conditions, {Citation/core} will still format reliably in the current 1.6 million articles where used. The idea is to minimize risk by changing only 1 major template at a time. In later months, we could introduce improvements to {Citation/core} for the rare-parameter cases, but right now, using {cite_web/smart} is the massive improvement everyone has dreamed of, for all these years, without the nightmare of re-arranging the central formatting style in {Citation/core}, which is excellent if only used a few dozen times per article, while {cite_web/smart} formats all the hundreds of simple cites. The next major step would be a {cite_news/smart} for all those pop-culture articles with 200 citations of {cite_news}, followed by {cite_book/smart} with many transclusions. However, long-term, the "angry mob" is calling for improvements to central {Citation/core}, and some small improvements we can do, but if {cite_web/smart} and others solve the worst problems, then the performance of {Citation/core} is less of a real worry. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 01:01, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

== Request for guidance on external links to Operation On-Target ==
I noticed that you removed the external links to the regional Operation On-Target organization pages with the note "remove non-national links". With the demise of the national Operation On-Target site a few years back, there is no national page to link to,
and each state is pretty much on its own. The links I put there were pretty much the totality of what I could locate, so it seemed to me that this set provided the interested reader with a complete picture. How would you suggest I select which external links to select? [[User:Macchess|Macchess]] ([[User talk:Macchess|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is not a directory, but the [[Open Directory Project]] is. This is similar to the issues with [[Boy Scouting (Boy Scouts of America)|Boy Scouting]], where editors were adding links to troops. The external links section now has an ODP link. The ODP is exactly designed to build your directory. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 09:33, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

:: Makes sense to me. I was a dmoz (now ODP) editor for a long time, so I'm somewhat familiar with that - I'll put the regional links there. Also - your deletion comment implied that the (single) national Operation On-Target site would be a suitable external link. In the absence of a current National site, would it be appropriate to link the Internet Archived version (from July 2011) as an external link? ( It is here, if you want to take a look: http://web.archive.org/web/20110717142217/http://www.ontargetbsa.org/ ). That site is very good at explaining what Operation On Target is, . [[User:Macchess|Macchess]] ([[User talk:Macchess|talk]]) 03:54, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

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== Your edit to [[Template:Citation/doc]] ==

Can you explain why the postscript parameter is deprecated? The use of {{para|postscript|.}} seems quite widespread, for example. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 16:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
:That edit summary is odd— there is no section titled {{em|deprecated parameters}}. I probably flubbed a keystroke and that title was in the browser cache. Anyway, I had discussed what that old chunk of doc meant, and no one could come up with a good answer, so it was time for it to go. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 17:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

::Ah, right. (I've made this mistake: you start typing an edit summary, the browser expands it based on an old one, and you don't notice it's wrong.)  I looked quickly through the talk page and couldn't see where this was discussed. Could you point me to it? [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 09:00, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:::[[Template talk:Citation/Archive 5#postscript doc]]. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 10:46, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

::::Thanks. I can certainly see that all the stuff about plug-ins is not needed, but there are legitimate uses of the postscript parameter, e.g. in quick fixes to make reference lists which use both the cite and the citation templates consistent in style, e.g. with a final full stop. So I'm not convinced that removing the documentation altogether, rather than correcting it, was the best move. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 15:50, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:::::It's pretty well accepted to not mix {{cs1}} and {{cs2}}, but if you want to discuss the documentation, let's do it on the template talk. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 18:47, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:::::Although there was nothing about citation consistency:
:::::Original: * '''postscript''': Set terminal punctuation. Omit or leave blank to remove the trailing full stop (period). Punctuation specified by this parameter will appear within the cite span, and consequently before any icons added by metadata-using software, e.g. library browser plugins. Hence this parameter should be used instead of manually appending data to the citation. This parameter is ignored if {{para|quote}} is specified, when {{para|postscript|.}} is forced.
:::::Current: * '''postscript''': The closing punctuation for the citation; defaults to a period (.); if the parameter is present but blank, no terminating punctuation will be used. Ignored if '''quote''' is defined.
:::::---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 19:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'd been away from Wikipedia for a while as was just trying to catch up; my query here wasn't meant to be any kind of criticism of your edit. I will comment on the template talk page as the current documentation appears to be incorrect. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 09:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

==Talkback==
{{talkback|WP:VPT|Sidebar script|ts=18:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)}}
I'll wait for your reply before I tell the people who I believe might use the script about it.  &nbsp;[[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']]&nbsp;[[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] 18:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

== pmc broken in cite journal ==

Please see [[Help_talk:Citation_Style_1#pmc_broken_in_cite_journal]].-<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''</sup></span> 01:53, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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== Script issue ==

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Thank you for telling me how to clear My sandbox so that I could begin a new project.   [[User:Bradford Smith|Brad Smith]] ([[User talk:Bradford Smith|talk]]) 15:48, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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== Cite journal ==

not sure what happened, but [[Rind et al. controversy]] now has an error in the "Ondersma, S.J." citation. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
:Looking at it. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 19:30, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
:: found the problem, you changed <nowiki> |Trunc = {{#if:{{{display-authors|}}}|{{{display-authors}}}|8}}</nowiki> to <nowiki> |Trunc = {{{display-authors|8}}}</nowiki>, so [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rind_et_al._controversy&diff=510803441&oldid=505001722 this] fixed the problem.  the prior version was more robust and would be better, unless there is some complexity issue. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:30, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
:::I see it and reverted. It worked, unless {{para|display-authors}} was included with no value. I copied that from one of the major templates, and have propagated it. I will fix that across the board. Thanks for the heads up. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 19:39, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
::::Yep. That has been in {{tl|cite book}} for years, which is where I copied it from. I will fix it as I refresh. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 20:12, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

== origyear parameter in cite book ==

Hello. I notice that you have made some changes to [[Template:Cite book]] which means that, unlike me, you understand how to do so without destroying the system, so I wonder if I could ask for your help in a problem I had four years ago which was never solved satsfactorily. Cite book has always had a parameter "origyear" where one can specify the original year of publication of a book, as distinct from the publication date of the later edition or reprint which is actually being used by the editor. The origyear parameter appears in square brackets instead of round brackets. Until about four years ago if used it appeared unconditionally, whether or not "year" was also given, but in the restructuring in 2008 this was changed so that if year was absent, origyear was ignored.

I raised the matter at the time, some of which you can see at [[Template talk:Cite book/Archive 7]], but the answer I got was that you shouldn't do that, whereas that didn't solve the backward compatibility point that people (including me) had in good faith done that and it was hardly possible to find all those cases and change them, unless a bot searched the entire database to do so. At least some of these cases remain to this day, where origyear is specified but no date at all is displayed.  Would it be possible to do something about it? Thanks [[User:SamuelTheGhost|SamuelTheGhost]] ([[User talk:SamuelTheGhost|talk]]) 22:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

:'''origyear''' in {{tl|cite book}} is passed by '''YearNote''' to {{tl|citation/core}}.

{{markup
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|{{citation/core |Title=title |Date=date |YearNote=origyear}}
|<nowiki>{{citation/core |Title=title |YearNote=origyear}}</nowiki>
|{{citation/core |Title=title |YearNote=origyear}}
}}

:You need to make a proposal at [[Template talk:Citation/core]]. I have a few thoughts, but let's take this public. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 22:42, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

::Thanks. I've done so. [[User:SamuelTheGhost|SamuelTheGhost]] ([[User talk:SamuelTheGhost|talk]]) 10:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

== Feedback to Help:Wiki markup ==
<div style="background-color: #BBDDFF; border: #4169E1 1px solid; margin: 2em 0 1em; padding: 0.5em 1em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: middle; ">[[File:Nuvola apps edu languages.svg|left|40px|link=User talk:VoxLuna#Feedback_to_Help:Wiki_markup]]'''Hello, Gadget850. You have new messages at  [[User talk:VoxLuna#Feedback_to_Help:Wiki_markup|VoxLuna's talk page]].'''<br /><span class="plainlinks" style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;"> You can [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit}} remove this notice] at any time.</span></div>&mdash; 22:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

== Cite web and accessed ==

Hi, I see that you have {{diff|Template:Cite web|prev|511135828|removed}} the code which detected {{para|accessed}} in {{tlx|cite web}}. This parameter is still being added to articles, several times a month; the reason that there are no current uses is because I've cleaned them all up - I got {{diff|Patrick McLoughlin|prev|511135904|this one}} just before you un-deprecated the parameter. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
:Fixed. Thanks! ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 22:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
::And updated doc. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 22:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

== Help Project newsletter : Issue 4 ==

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==  [[Wikipedia talk:Parenthetical referencing#Move to Help:Author-date citation style]] ==

I have placed a {{tl|requested move}} template into [[Wikipedia talk:Parenthetical referencing#Move to Help:Author-date citation style]]. This should attract more attention to your requested move. There is no point using {{tl|movenotice}} as you can see it does not attract much attention from other editors. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 09:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
:Saw it. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 09:30, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

== Lawrie Dring ==

You want to post it under recent deaths, or shall I?--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 12:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
:Go ahead. Off to an Eagle project. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 12:12, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, good luck to him! Fuji Scout is a much different affair, I miss helping with that kind of stuff.--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 21:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

== Talk back ==

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== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history|Military history]] coordinator election ==

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==New gadget==

I made a request for a [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#New_gadget|new gadet]], but nobody respond me. Please, can't you create my gadget? In others Wikipedias I have requested that the administrators will create this gadget and they do it.--[[User:Vivaelcelta|Vivaelcelta]] {[[User talk:Vivaelcelta|discusión]] &nbsp;<span style="font-weight:bold;">&middot;</span>&#32; [[Special:Contributions/Vivaelcelta|contributions]]} 21:28, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
:Sorry, [[Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals#Disambiguation_detector|this is page]].--[[User:Vivaelcelta|Vivaelcelta]] {[[User talk:Vivaelcelta|discusión]] &nbsp;<span style="font-weight:bold;">&middot;</span>&#32; [[Special:Contributions/Vivaelcelta|contributions]]} 15:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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== Citation templates ==

Hi. Sorry for my mistake at [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Citation_Style_1&diff=prev&oldid=515035952 Template:Citation Style 1]. Now i've read the documentation more thoroughly, and I grok that and why it isn't actually a bot-completed resource. Hmmm :/ I'd fully support reverting back to before my edit, but adding in a comment warning editors not to add the cite_isbn template. Up to you.

I was just adding it, as a tangential followup from my comments here: [[Template talk:Wikipedia referencing]], wherein I was essentially trying to find the "central" location that things like ottobib and cite-gen are meant to be listed (page-wise, and navbox-wise). The only listing that has them both is [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Citation_cleanup#Resources]] (which contains lots of out-of-date links). —[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 19:09, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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== treatment of origyear parameter ==

Hello again. In view of the consensus that we seem to have reached at [[Template talk:Citation/core]], could ask ask you to actually implement the tracking category? I'm reluctant myself to start changing things I don't fully understand. Thanks . [[User:SamuelTheGhost|SamuelTheGhost]] ([[User talk:SamuelTheGhost|talk]]) 12:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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== Shoulder marks for BSA ==

Gadget -- WRT [[Shoulder mark]], the current links/refs for BSA uniforms are dead. (I've tagged them.) I invite you to update the article using the links you provided in our other discussion.--[[User:Srich32977|S. Rich]] ([[User talk:Srich32977|talk]]) 03:36, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
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==Matching other pages==
With [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Cite_error_ref_no_input&curid=16976384&diff=517715402&oldid=517654909 this] edit; is "matching other pages" really the desire for our help documentation? :). Don't get me wrong - the documentation should be uniform. But it should be uniformly good, not uniformly obtuse. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 10:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:"Further information" doesn't add anything useful. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 11:11, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
::Well, it changes the tone of the message from "look at this" to "if you want, look at this". [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 11:53, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:::Do as you wish. Make it longer and more verbose. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 12:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
::::*sighs* thank you for being reasonable about this. If size is the issue, we could just make the original template somewhat less in-your-face. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 12:19, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
::::If by "original template" you mean the big red character style, then that is not a template. The styling is done by a class added directly by the {{cite.php}} software extension. If we want to change that, then we need to make a software request to move the styling to a MediaWiki interface page so it can be customized. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 12:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::I'll drop him a note :). Do you have any objection to me trying to redraft the associated help pages? I mean that literally - creating a draft, letting you approve/tweak/deny/whatever. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 00:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== {{tl|Cite techreport}} ==

Could you have a look at {{tl|Cite techreport}}? It seems that at some point during your editing of this template the two most important parameters (the <code>institution</code> that published the report and the <code>number</code> under which it was filed) got removed. I've reintroduced them, but the formatting is not as nice as it was in the older versions. Cheers, —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 00:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:{{para|number}} was already there as an alias for {{para|issue}}. And yes, I missed the {{para|institution}} alias during an update. Pleas explain "formatting is not as nice". ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 01:48, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:: It's customary to format references to technical reports as "{{{author}}}. {{{title}}}. Technical report {{{number}}}. {{{institution}}}." The number/identifier assigned to a technical report is not semantically equivalent to the issue number of a journal. More problematically, the example given in the template documentation does not display correctly: the number of the technical report is not outputted anywhere. This likely affects any articles currently using this template as well. —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 16:44, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:::OK. Now <code>author. title. (Technical report). institution. number.</code> ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 01:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
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== Truman FAC ==

You have contributed many times to the [[Harry S. Truman]] article, so I thought you would want to know about the move to bring it back to FA status: [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Harry S. Truman/archive2]]. Cheers! [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 17:27, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

== New gadget2 ==

Can you see [[Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals#Disambiguation_detector|my request]] and create my gadget? --[[User:Vivaelcelta|Vivaelcelta]] {[[User talk:Vivaelcelta|discussion]] &nbsp;<span style="font-weight:bold;">&middot;</span>&#32; [[Special:Contributions/Vivaelcelta|contributions]]} 20:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
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On [[Path-based strong component algorithm]] the right-most parenthesis of several inline citations are not being link (unlike the left-most parentheses). Do you think this could have anything to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3AHarvard_citation_text&diff=497725610&oldid=414370037 these] edits? Cheers, —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 21:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
:No, that is how it worked before I made the changes. See [[Template talk:Harvcoltxt#Mismatched brackets]]. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 21:23, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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== Big favor ==

Hi there. Have a two-part question. First, do you have access to the reference "Petterchak, Janice A. (2003). Lone Scout: W. D. Boyce and American Boy Scouting. "? If so, can you spot-check the [[William D. Boyce]] article to make sure there's no paraphrasing issues? It's the only article at the CCI that is mainly sourced by a book, so want to make sure everything's checked out there. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 02:03, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== WFE ==

Hi, Ed. You are likely not quite the authority for this, but undoubtedly are closer to whoever is than I am.  And I would be interested in your views, as this likely involves use of citation templates.

While editing [[Hockey stick controversy]] I am frequently running into the "Wikimedia Foundation - Error" message (see [[WP:WFEM]]). The message ''says'' "server overload", but apparently is triggered when a page is not rendered within ~60 seconds.  I finally figured out that my edits are saved, but I am concerned about rendering time.  The WFEM page mentions "very slow templates, when used many times per page", but doesn't mention citation templates. (Some of the "See also" topics seem distinctly out of date.)

I extracted the following from the html source (but don't understand it):
 NewPP limit report
 Preprocessor visited node count: 176947/1000000
 Preprocessor generated node count: 105115/1500000
 Post-expand include size: 1492641/2048000 bytes
 Template argument size: 449802/2048000 bytes
 Highest expansion depth: 23/40
 Expensive parser function count: 1/500

One of the things I'm wondering about is that we have not only a lot of citation templates, but many have wiki-linked parameters.  Perhaps those should be pruned? What do you think? ~ [[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson (JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson|talk]]) 00:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I am interested in having your insights on this.  Hopefully you weren't hit by Sandy. ~ [[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson (JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson|talk]]) 23:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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== New script ==

Hi, I see that you're interested in citations too. I am in the late stage of developing a [[User:Ohconfucius/test/Sources.js|sources script]], and was wondering if you would be interested in being one of my beta-testers. I've written up most of the [[User:Ohconfucius/script/Sources|documentation]] and built up most of the script functionality. There are already three extensive in-built libraries/vocabularies ([[User:Ohconfucius/test/Sources subscript1.js|1]],[[User:Ohconfucius/test/Sources subscript2.js|2]],[[User:Ohconfucius/test/Sources subscript3.js|3]]) which I will continue extending. There's still work to be done to minimise the disruption to existing linkages and optimise the precision in dab. I'd value your input regarding any aspect, whether the documentation, objectives, structure or the library itself, and of course how it works. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">[[User:Ohconfucius|'''<span style="color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff">&nbsp;Ohconfucius&nbsp;</span>''']]</span></small><sup>[[User talk:Ohconfucius|''ping / poke'']]</sup> 08:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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== Accessdate formats per [[MOS:DATEUNIFY]] & [[WP:DATERET]] ==

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== Misnested tags in signature ==

Hi Gadget, it seems that there's a HTML error in your signature - please see {{diff|Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals|prev|524847765|this edit}}. Checking carefully, I find that you are essentially using {{tag|i|o}}{{tag|b|o}}{{tag|span|o}}{{tag|b|c}}{{tag|i|c}}{{tag|span|c}} which is forbidden by the very document that you linked to: [http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/syntax.html#misnesting 4.3.1. Misnested tags]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:14, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
:Haven't looked at it in ages. Should be fixed now. Thanks! --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 21:21, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
==Please restore deleted page==
Please restore the page "Wikipedia talk:Mosnum/proposal on YYYY-MM-DD numerical dates" which you deleted. This is a perennial proposal and it is useful to be able to point to previous debate on the topic. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 15:18, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Also in view of [[#Accessdate formats per MOS:DATEUNIFY & WP:DATERET]] I consider it a conflict of interest for you to have deleted the proposal. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 15:23, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:Restored [[Wikipedia talk:Mosnum/proposal on YYYY-MM-DD numerical dates]]; still garbage. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 15:29, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
::I agree with Gadget. When (abut 10:30 UTC today) I saw that it had been deleted, I had a look: and it was, as stated above, garbage, which I consider to have fallen within [[WP:CSD#G2]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm going to let him take a look, then wipe it. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 15:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

::::Considering that you took a position in favor of eliminating YYYY-MM-DD dates, even from citations, and that you sometimes use a script which does exactly that (hopefully only when doing so conforms to WP:MOSNUM) I think you are the wrong person to delete it. Also, sometimes quantity has a quality all its own: even if the contents are not a nice, concise representation of any point of view, it illustrates the number of people interested and the willingness of a substantial number of editors to compose a response. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 16:04, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::Have you actually looked at [[Wikipedia talk:Mosnum/proposal on YYYY-MM-DD numerical dates|the page in question]]? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 16:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::Yes. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 16:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::::How is [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Mosnum/proposal_on_YYYY-MM-DD_numerical_dates&action=history one post totalling 192 bytes] an illustration of "the number of people interested and the willingness of a substantial number of editors to compose a response"? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 16:57, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::::That's the talk page. The information is on the [[Wikipedia:Mosnum/proposal on YYYY-MM-DD numerical dates|project page]]. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 17:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::Exactly. It's the talk page [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Wikipedia_talk:Mosnum/proposal_on_YYYY-MM-DD_numerical_dates that Gadget deleted and restored], therefore it's the talk page that we're discussing here. The project page [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Wikipedia:Mosnum/proposal_on_YYYY-MM-DD_numerical_dates has an empty log] so is outside this discussion. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 17:33, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Thanks, but it is now obvious that he isn't going to get it. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 19:25, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::I've always seen talk pages and project pages deleted as a pair. It never crossed my mind that you only want to delete the talk page. If that's all you want to do, then go ahead. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 20:11, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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== To make sure that I understand you correctly ==

Are you pursuing a change in [[WP:Citation templates]] article to suggest adding archive date and archive URL too? If you are, thank you, but if you are not, never mind. I'll ask for more opinion and see if there is anything we can do to encourage some more insightful archiving. I just need your answer to make sure I understand you correctly, so I can decide what to do next. Are you changing it? May I have your answer? [[User:Anthonydraco|Anthonydraco]] ([[User talk:Anthonydraco|talk]]) 17:12, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
:The page needs more work than just that. I will bring it up again there. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 18:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

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==Template talk:Citation==
Hi Gadget850. I'm finally trying to move away from my addiction to the cite newspaper, book, periodical, web templates (The [[Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse]] templates?) and towards using only template citation. I've long known I needed to make the move, but have resisted changing my habits. Would you mind looking at the suggestions I posted at [[Template talk:Citation]]. Thanks. -- [[User:Uzma Gamal|Uzma Gamal]] ([[User talk:Uzma Gamal|talk]]) 14:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

== Template:Cite manual ==

I closed this discussion as merge, so go for it! [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 01:43, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks: will do this soon. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 03:38, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
::{{done}} --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 14:10, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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[[User:Mitchumch|Mitchumch]] ([[User talk:Mitchumch|talk]]) 07:38, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
:Replied on your user page, and will watch there for further discussion. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 17:49, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

== Talkback - Editnotices/Namespace/Book talk ==

{{talkback|Template talk:Editnotices/Namespace/Book talk|Edit request}} --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:45, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

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== [[MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references]] ==

<span class="plainlinks">Someone just pointed out on {{phab|19865}} that [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Cite_error_refs_without_references&diff=512245290&oldid=512244781 here] you said the bug wasn't fixed. It looks fixed to me when I try it [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?contexttitle=Foo&input=%3Cref%3Eref%3C%2Fref%3E&removecomments=1#cite_ref-1 like this]; if it's not, please let me know the details.</span> [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 14:24, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
:You can't tell until you use a wikilink in the MediaWiki page. I restored the MediaWiki page and it now works. Close as fixed. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 15:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
:: Err, like [//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Cite_error_refs_without_references&diff=527861173&oldid=512245290 this]? Anyway, glad to know it's fixed. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 15:46, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
:::We must have conflicted there when I did a restore. Anyway. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 16:37, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

== Redirected talk pages ==

Hi, re {{diff|Template talk:Cite journal|prev|527851971|this}} - one thing that still amazes me is how newbies manage to find obscure talk page redirects, and post to those {{diff|Template talk:Coord/display/title|prev|527912471|as here}}. Watchlist aside, I probably only spot the ones where {{tlx|editprotected}} is used - there must be hundreds of others just sitting there unwatched and unnoticed. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
:I know. [[Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines]] attracts a lot of [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines&diff=prev&oldid=523649146 weird crap]. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 21:44, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
:: Same here. I have no clue how that person made it to [[Template:Coord/display/title]], but from there it's obvious that they clicked on the "Submit an edit request" link displayed by [[Mediawiki:Protectedpagetext]]. The same tends to happen on some protected or semi-protected guideline pages. In either case, if it's really bad [[Wikipedia:Editnotice#Protection notices]] might be helpful; log out to see it in action at [[Template:Reflist]], for example. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 22:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I had my finger in that editnotice. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 22:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
::::Perhaps the "Submit an edit request" link could detect that it's pointing to a redirect, and follow that redirect. Such a posting would at least gain a wider audience, since [[Template talk:Coord]] has many more watchers than {{noredirect|Template talk:Coord/display/title}}. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:41, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::Good idea, but I have no clue how to make that work. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 22:44, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::I left a note at [[MediaWiki talk:Protectedpagetext#Redirected talk pages]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 11:50, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

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== Can you teach me a bit how to work short footnote citation? ==

I'm sorry to bother you. I assume you followed me to The Matrix article because of my question, but I'm afraid you misunderstand the question here. And I still can't figure out the answer I need. In ''The Matrix'' (film) article, I need to use short footnote citation. A user added this: 

{{sfn|Clover|2004|pp=8-9|ps=: In the denouement [of ''The Thirteenth Floor''], Douglas Hall simply crests a hill to discover that what he had thought was the real world has, beyond this point, yet to be constructed. In lieu of landscape, only crude phosphor-green polygons, the basic units of video graphics rendering, in the primal monochrome of an old CRT. The raw material of the simulation is even more basic in ''The Matrix'' – machine language itself, in the same familiar green...}} And it works perfectly. It appears in the ref list right below, then the link in the ref list links to the full citation in the Bibliography section.

I tried something similar, and added: {{sfn|Wachowski|Wachowski|2000|p=451}} , but it simply doesn't work. It appears in the ref list all right, and if you click the number of this SFN, it links you to the ref list, but the link in the ref list won't lead to/link to the full citation below. Normally, when you click the link in the ref list, it should jump to the full citation and highlights it, but mine doesn't. I believe I messed up the syntax and the template somehow, so the anchor won't work here, unlike the previous user's. Can you help me by telling where I went wrong? People seem to think I simply added the SFN without the full citation below, while the problem is that the link in the ref won't be anchored to the full citation. [[User:Anthonydraco|Anthonydraco]] ([[User talk:Anthonydraco|talk]]) 00:56, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Reference
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Bibliography
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*{{cite book|last=Clover|first=Joshua|year=2004|series=BFI Modern Classics|title=The Matrix|publisher=[[British Film Institute|BFI Publishing]]|location=London|isbn=1844570452| ref=harv}}
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{{Refbegin}}
*{{Citation | last =Wachowski | first =Larry | last2 =Wachowski | first2 =Andy | author2-link = | coauthors =Darrow, Geof; Skroce, Steve; Kunitake, Tani; Manser, Warren; Grant, Colin; Staenberg, Zach; Oesterhouse, Phil; [[William Gibson|Gibson, William]] | editor = | editor-last =Lamm  | editor-first =Spencer  | title =The Art of The Matrix | place = | publisher =Titan Books Ltd | publication-date =24 November 2000 | year =2000 | page = | language =English | doi = | id = | isbn =1840231734 | mr = | zbl = | jfm = | ref=harv}}
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:I fixed your in-text citation to {{tlx|sfn|Wachowski|Wachowski|2000|pp{{=}}451}}. You have to include the last names of all authors defined by {{para|last<sub>n</sub>}}. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 01:38, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks, my dear man. You saved me. Again. May I ask how things went about suggesting archiving in web citation template? [[User:Anthonydraco|Anthonydraco]] ([[User talk:Anthonydraco|talk]]) 06:07, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
:::And it should use {{para|p}} for a singular page. You were going to discuss implementation. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 10:42, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
::::Thank you. Er... I'm not sure I understand what you meant by "You were going to discuss implementation". Me???? You mean you? [[User:Anthonydraco|Anthonydraco]] ([[User talk:Anthonydraco|talk]]) 00:07, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::Replied on that talk page. --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 01:44, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::Sorry, but I'm afraid you lost me again. When you said you replied, you mean you answered my SFN question or the suggestion that someone fix citation templates? Just to cut the chase, can you direct me to the talk page you're referring to? >_< [[User:Anthonydraco|Anthonydraco]] ([[User talk:Anthonydraco|talk]]) 10:58, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::::[[Help talk:Citation Style 1#archive 2]] --'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup> 12:19, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, thank you very much. So I just add this <pre>{{Cite additional archived pages|date=DATE OF ARCHIVES|first archived page link|first archived page title|second archived page link|second archived page title}}</pre> behind previously unarchived stuff? Awesome. Saved me some work. (Please correct me if I'm wrong about what to do.) [[User:Anthonydraco|Anthonydraco]] ([[User talk:Anthonydraco|talk]]) 14:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::::P.S. It's not indexed somewhere. How can average users know about it? It's not listed in Citation style 1. [[User:Anthonydraco|Anthonydraco]] ([[User talk:Anthonydraco|talk]]) 14:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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