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== Wikiproject notification of the source review RfC ==

Thanks for doing that -- wish I'd thought of that myself.  The 30-day close is still four days away, but if we're seeing steady input from the projects we might ask the closer to delay a little. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] -  [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 00:44, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Mike Christie}} Yeah, I left that note a week ago that we should do that but I didn't get around to it until today. 30 days isn't the required end date (per [[WP:RFC]]), it's just the standard end. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 00:48, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

== About your comment at [[Talk:Sabrina Carpenter discography]] ==

Hi there. Don't you think adding 11,000 bytes of markup (even if it is collapsed) to an already long discussion about something not directly related to improving the article whose talk page it is is a bit much? Don't you think it'd be better suited at the talk page for the Jennifer Lawrence awards and nominations article? <b>[[User:Ss112|<span style="color: #FF6347;">Ss</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Ss112|<span style="color: #1E90FF;">112</span>]]</small></b> 21:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Ss112}} No, it is not a bit much. I am making a point with each of those tables that is relevant to the discussion because IJBall mentioned that page as a good example. I wanted to point out where it wasn't great how that other page was done because I'd like the SCD discussion to get us to a "better" place rather than just an "okay" place. It would be entirely out of context to propose that out of the blue at the talk page for the JLaw awards. Your suggestion would likely cause a [[WP:MULTI]] violation to boot. Bringing up the size of the change doesn't help your case here because it's mostly irrelevant. You can trivially see where the boxed content ends and begins in the wikitext, and it's not like you wouldn't get the point simply from reviewing the tables in full instead of presuming for some reason that I had decided to add 11k worth of {{em|prose}}... which would be entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 22:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for reverting my mistake on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Esports]]. I honestly have no idea how I managed to delete other people's comments. I'll try harder to make sure that doesn't happen again. [[User:Derek M|Derek M]] ([[User talk:Derek M|talk]]) 02:17, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Derek M}} It usually occurs when you start an edit based off an old version of the page. Why that doesn't trigger an edit conflict, we may never know. It's no biggie here. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 04:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

== Character infobox ==

Hey, regarding the infobox. I was actually working on researching the topic even before the template was nominated so I've got some insight into the differences between the different character type infoboxes. To be honest, they all are about 90% the same. Even those that seem to be different are using the "free" parameters to add in the ones that miss from their infobox but are present in other ones (see [[Template:Infobox Buffyverse character]]), and when one infobox does not give the parameters that an editor needs, they just use a different one (see [[Barry Allen (Arrowverse)]] vs [[Flash (Barry Allen)]]) or just create an infobox that suits their needs (see [[Template:Infobox Tolkien character]] vs [[Template:Infobox Tolkien character (2)]]). To add to that, you have scenarios where a character can be both a video game character and from another media in the same article. Then after all this, you need to take into account maintenance and updates. Since there are so many different infoboxes, some wrappers of others, and some separate entities, they all require separate fixes. Also, parameters such as the video {{para|motionactor}} can be useful for other uses while other parameters could also be useful to video games. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 11:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Gonnym}} I'm {{em|not}} worried about what infobox VG character does that infobox character does not. I {{em|am}} worried about what infobox VG character does not that infobox character does. Basically, [[Template:Infobox character]] allows for a whole bunch of garbage [[WP:WAF]]-failing parameters. Our infoboxes should be succinct and they should be [[WP:WAF|primarily about the out-of-universe aspects]]. Template:Infobox character fails on the second account which causes it to fail on the first. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 16:29, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
::I see what you mean, but I disagree with the method. First, how I read it, the MoS you linked does not really disallow in-universe material, especially when that material is verifiable with good sources. Second, I really believe that even if it did, the MoS is out-of-touch with what the community actually does as FA articles have in-universe elements in the infobox. So my point at that discussion was that even if you are right, deciding that a single infobox will not allow parameters that other infoboxes that deal with the same subjects (so not WP:OSE) is just wrong (even more so, when the infobox itself links to other video character infoboxes which all have in-universe information and even the example given in the documentation does so). --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 16:44, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Gonnym}} Those other modules are distinctly a compromise between full-blown WAF-failing items and the current infobox--most characters don't have them at all, because they are presently so limited. No, it doesn't disallow material that is more fictional than not, but it actually does disallow an {{em|in universe}} treatment of that content. In this case, the character infobox puts inappropriate [[WP:WEIGHT|weight]] on concepts like "family" and "title" and... so on. These aren't concepts that a generalist encyclopedia needs or wants when discussing its characters in the detail reserved to a specific article. {{tq|single infobox will not allow parameters that other infoboxes that deal with the same subjects (so not WP:OSE) is just wrong}} How so? You assert without reference to policy or guideline here. {{em|At best}}, this is a vague reference to [[WP:CONLEVEL]]? The level of consensus that a guideline like the MOS or a policy like WEIGHT enjoys is above and beyond that of a template specific to fictional characters--so it perturbs me that there is a defense of the current infobox character here. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 17:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
::::What I meant was that all infobox character templates are of the same topic so I grouped them together into the same discussion, so this is not a case of WP:OSE where I say "But hey, Infobox medicine journal does this". And you are correct, I was referring to [[WP:LOCALCONSENSUS]], which I think I linked to in the template discussion so probably felt it was needed here also. So if the original template and all other children templates of the same template allow "x" fields, yet one group of editors decide to create a new template of the same type to disallow those fields, for me that is a local consensus trying to add a backdoor exemption to the status-quo. Just to be clear, there are some in-universe fields which I think are pure trivia (which should not be added), some are mildly trivia (which I guess ''some'' people think have value), yet others I believe have actual value. To me family connections does give value as it lets the reader understand how characters from the same story are connected. Yes, it can also be done in prose, but that logic is valid for everything in an infobox (and if I'm not mistaken is pretty much a given that an infobox should not have any information not present in the article). --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 18:31, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Gonnym}} Their creation dates are separated [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_video_game_character&oldid=56256358 by mere] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_character&oldid=53043893 days], over a decade ago. Characterizing it as {{tq|yet one group of editors decide to create a new template of the same type to disallow those fields}} is laughably off the mark. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 18:41, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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== Games with "computer game" disambiguation ==

Hey Izno, I'm not sure if these articles are at the correct pages, as I know [[WP:NCVGDAB]] says not to use "computer game", but I'm not sure which name is correct. If you have time, take a look at these: [[Star Trek: 25th Anniversary (computer game)]], [[Kingmaker (computer game)]], [[The Punisher (1990 computer game)]], [[Friday the 13th (1985 computer game)]] and [[Micromanía (computer game magazine)]] if relevant. Thanks! --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 14:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Gonnym}} "computer game" typically isn't necessary not least because "video" includes the same kinds of output most computers would provide (some exceptions to that general rule exist in the [[early history of video games]]). There are some exceptions when it comes to disambiguation and NCVG goes into a few of them.
:# [[Star Trek: 25th Anniversary (computer game)]]: This is disambiguated the way it is because [[WP:NCVG]] allows for "platform game" when there are multiple games in the same year. See [[Star Trek: 25th Anniversary]]. This seems fine. {{done}}
:# There is a similar story with [[The Punisher (1990 computer game)]] and [[The Punisher (1990 video game)]], which we should tweak. [[The Punisher (1990 video game)]] should probably be moved to [[The Punisher (1990 NES video game)]] (NCVG) and then [[The Punisher (1990 video game)]] redirected to [[Punisher video games]] as ambiguous ([[WP:DABTOPIC]]). {{done}}
:# [[Kingmaker (computer game)]] could just be moved per NCVG to [[Kingmaker (video game)]]. {{done}}
:# [[Micromanía (computer game magazine)]]: I would remove the disambiguation entirely as there is nothing at [[Micromanía]], possibly with a prominent [[WP:HATNOTE]] to [[Micromania]]. (I'd also create a redirect at [[Micromanía (magazine)]].) {{done}}
:# Friday the 13th is unfortunately a bit more involved because it looks like {{u|Bignole}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Friday_the_13th_(1985_video_game)&action=history redirected the target page] which has history, in 2015, and then it was later recreated [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Friday_the_13th_(1985_computer_game)&action=history by an IP at AFC] with subsequent promotion to mainspace by {{u|Surv1v4l1st}}. I don't think I agree with Bignole's original redirect there, but either way, I think what could be done would be to move the "1985 computer game" disambiguated article over the "1985 video game" title, restore the deleted revisions (as they are not parallel histories), and then decide to redirect again if desired. {{ping|Anthony Appleyard}} Should/Could you do that? {{done}}
:--[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 15:40, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
::The F13 game page, even as it was apparently recreated, still does not really meet the GNG. That requires significant coverage, which it doesn't have. It actually consists of the IP's personal interpretation of the game, sourced (that's original research) to the most basic of their statements, followed with a few basic number reviews and nothing else to say about it. Even one of the reviews isn't even sourced, and the other goes to a page that doesn't exist. Even if you want to say that it does, there's barely enough information to support a page when it can all be included on the franchise page. That was the reason it was redirected back then and the reason it should really be redirected now. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:#800000;color:#FFD700"> &nbsp;BIGNOLE&nbsp;</span>'''</small>]]  [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 17:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Bignole}} Yeah, I'm not real hard over either way--just letting you know since you were reverted at a different page. I would just recommend making sure what references we do have make their way into the redirect target. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 18:43, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Izno}} Pages [[1985 computer game]] and [[1985 video game]] do not exist. Please what are the full names of the pages that you are referring to? [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 17:46, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Anthony Appleyard}} Merge [[Friday_the_13th_(1985_computer_game)]] into [[Friday_the_13th_(1985_video_game)]] and restore all revisions. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 18:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Izno}} {{done}} [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 23:24, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Gonnym}} I've made all the moves. Probably the things left to do are to:
:# Sort out all the links to [[The Punisher (1990 video game)]] as being either for the NES page or for the computer game page (I wish I could run the disambig assist tool against arbitrary pages)
:# Decide what to do with [[Friday the 13th (1985 video game)]].
: --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 20:10, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

== November 2018 ==
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:{{ping|Jovanmilic97}} Be careful [[WP:DTTR|templating the regulars]], especially when you use an astonishing level 2 {{em|disruption}} template for what is really just a difference of opinion. (Especially when you caveat it with "explain to me what's going on".)
:A keep result at AFD does not mean we keep the article and the entirety by necessity--it only means it's not deleted. We can still apply normal editing policies and guidelines to help us decide whether we should have that article or whether it should be covered as part of another. In this specific case, at least one user !voted to delete entirely, and I was swayed by the argument he put forth later even though I did not update my "keep" !vote. The sources used in this case are weak even if they are considered reliable. As {{u|czar}} noted, there is reasonable scope in the article on the first game to capture some of the discussion related to the second game. Of the sources used in the article accepted at AFC, only 2 or so were worth keeping at best. So overall, a continued redirect/merge to that article makes sense. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 17:11, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
:: Sorry for that, now that I read all, I will use templates more carefully. While I agree with some of your points, per [[WP:BARE]], bare notability does exist, even you admitted ''only 2 were worth keeping'' minimally as well. Again sorry for using the template! [[User:Jovanmilic97|Jovanmilic97]] ([[User talk:Jovanmilic97|talk]]) 17:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Jovanmilic97}} As before, just because a topic displays notability does not mean it cannot be covered, or better covered, as a topic in a separate article. This is especially true in [[WP:BARE]] cases and when we have a trivial merge target. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 17:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

== Tracking categories ==

The [[:Category:VIAF different on Wikidata]] is of great help. Can you create the same tracking categories for GND?
* [[:Category:Pages with GND identifiers]]
** [[:Category:GND different on Wikidata]]
** [[:Category:GND not on Wikidata]]
Thanks in advance --[[User:Light Yagami|Light Yagami]] ([[User talk:Light Yagami|talk]]) 22:29, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Light Yagami}} You need to make that request at [[Template talk:Authority control]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 17:32, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

== Bit goings ==

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Also, when are you going up for the bit, {{ping|Izno|p=}}? <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 16:16, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
:Whenever I feel like the concern voiced at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Optional_RfA_candidate_poll/Archive_4#Izno|my 2016 ORCP]] are far enough in the rear-view mirror. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:32, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
:Also, are you volunteering to nominate? :) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:33, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
:: 2.5 years? Nigh time for another ORCP at least! There are some pretty rich comments in that 2016 discussion... Also ha, doubt that I'd bring much clout to a nomination as I avoid the behavioral boards. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 17:52, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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{{ping|czar}} I didn't just mean "time" (indeed, 2.5 years is a bit of time) but also "effort" in the mirror. The question about nominating was not quite facetious--it would be nice to have someone look at what I've done since the ORCP then to see if the same concerns would be dragged out. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 00:01, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

== re:bunny senpai edit ==

Hi Izno,
I'm sorry that you were completely incapable of reading the (admittedly very small) typo correction I made in the Bunny Girl Senpai article. You see, the summary of episode 10 says that Nodoka moves in with Sakuta. This is incorrect, as she moves in with her older sister Mai.

I probably should have specified that in the edit comment, but I'm also going to be an ass about how you didn't spot a change that was actually there. I'm also going to put my edit back in with a comment so other editors with poor reading skills can actually spot the change.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.56.216.29|173.56.216.29]] ([[User talk:173.56.216.29#top|talk]]) 01:04, 16 December 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Seems you're right. You need to [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] rather than call me names or insult me though. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 01:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

== Companies ==

Hi, the A7 template lists companies seperate from organisations, and there are also different wiki projects for companies (mainly for profit) and organisations (mainly not for profit) so there is a distinction, regards [[User:Atlantic306|Atlantic306]] ([[User talk:Atlantic306|talk]]) 19:33, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Atlantic306}} I'll respond to the substance of this comment at [[WT:CSD#Companies explicitly called out in A7]] (in a minute). The short comment I wanted to leave on my user talk page is that, while there is some scope for [[WP:PGBOLD|bold editing of PAG]], you should restrict yourself to starting a discussion when your bold edit is reverted. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 21:55, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

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== Advisor ==

Hey, not sure if you knew it but Advisor works again (not every time somehow sadly). I changed the name from "Cameltrader" to "Ebrahames" in the control panel, as the page was moved a month ago. Just checked it today and saw it working again. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 15:11, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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== FFS ==

Merry Christmas! ;) Although per [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Categories,_lists,_and_navigation_templates&diff=cur&oldid=875211306 this], I'm right out of Christmas spirit right now!  '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:red;;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:blue;;">superman</span>]]''' 10:23, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

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== ARC ==

Seriously, what have you got against this historic game? Did you ever play it? Understand it? What's with your stupid suggestions? [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 18:28, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Govvy}} Please don't employ [[ad hominem]]. Please continue to discuss [[WP:Civility|civilly]] at [[Talk:Attack Retrieve Capture#Merge discussion]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 18:32, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
::Really, you haven't put any thought into what you're doing have you. Even your reply is all defensive and no essence of what's on that article. [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 18:38, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Govvy}} I have put plenty of thought into what I'm doing. I've assessed the article against our [[WP:PAG|policies and guidelines]] and found it wanting. I've suggested a merge [[WP:ATD-M|as an alternative to deletion]]. Now, please respect our [[WP:Civility|policy on civility]] and return to the discussion in question. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 18:41, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
::::This conversation is becoming split up, Civility, pfft, an analogy ''if you can't take a punch get out of the ring''. Can continue this at the ARC talk page. [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 18:48, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Govvy}} It's a policy. [[WP:BATTLEGROUND|You shouldn't be throwing punches]] to begin with. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 18:50, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
I often say that Wikipedia was built by the weak!! [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 18:52, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Technical Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for cleaning up references on [[Nobody's Friends]] page. Much appreciated. [[User:Joelionheart|Joelionheart]] ([[User talk:Joelionheart|talk]]) 20:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
|}

== citation or cite book? ==

Dear Izno, you corrected some referencelinks on [[Gabriele Evertz]] - i was astonished to see that all the books i named at the section "Further reading" now start with "citation" instead of "cite book". Could you be so kind to explain me the difference and whether it is in general better to use "citation" in the beginning of the reference or "cite book"? Kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 01:18, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Gyanda}} [[Template:Citation]] and [[Template:Cite book]] use the same [[Module:Citation/CS1|engine]]. They differ slightly in styling and functionality. See [[Help:CS2#Style]]. It looks like that page uses a blend of CS1 and CS2, so perhaps you could also consider cleaning the page up to use only one kind of citation style. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 01:23, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
::Thank you very much for your answer. Will have a look at the link and try to make it better. Please be patient, i will be able to work on it mid february. Thanks again! --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 10:34, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

:{{ping|Gyanda}} One of the differences of functionality Izno alluded to is that the {cite xxx} family automatically adds a final period; some editors consider that a feature. Inversely, if want add some information the the citation, such as calls for a comma, you have to add a parameter to suppress the auto-period. Also, if you use some form of the {{tl|harv}} template for a short cite (a good idea, in my opinion) it will connect automagically to a full citation created with {citation}, whereas with the {cite xxx} templates you have to add the {{para|ref|harv}} parameter. &diams;&nbsp;[[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson&nbsp;(JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 22:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
::I must confess, for me this sounds quite difficult but i bookmarked it and will try to understand. Thank you and kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 01:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

== ill ==

Why do you remove working interlanguage links? They help readers. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 17:17, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I was confused by IznoRepeat, sorry. Please self revert where you removed the interlanguage links that work. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 17:21, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

:{{ping|Gerda Arendt}} They are not allowed in multiple parameters of [[Help:CS1|CS1/2 templates]]. I have no objection to them generally and you will see that I did not remove any instance outside of the templates. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 17:23, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:: Always learning, and why? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 17:25, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Gerda Arendt}} They introduce bad metadata in the fields of interest--mostly the emitting of the little link for the <nowiki>[other wiki]</nowiki> text. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 17:41, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:::: But can we do something other than create the missing articles? To know that an author is notable in a different language helps, especially if I can read that language. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 17:44, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Gerda Arendt}} You can put the other language link outside the template if the author doesn't exist here. Alternatively, you might consider commenting it out outside the template if you don't want a separate display of author text. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 18:01, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::: I don't think I got it yet. We talk about the author in a ref, no? You mean, I should mention the author in the body? How would a hidden coment help the reader? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:08, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Gerda Arendt}} Something like <code><nowiki><ref><!-- [[:de:author article]]-->{{cite...</ref></nowiki></code>. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 18:25, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::::: How would a reader see that? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:38, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Gerda Arendt}} They wouldn't. You could do something like <code><nowiki><ref>[[:de:author article]]: {{cite...</ref></nowiki></code> I guess. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 18:58, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::: I'd still use ill, not a direct link to another language, and find it somewhat not elegant ;) - thanks anyway. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::: {{ping|Gerda Arendt}} Yeah, I also don't think any of the workarounds are that elegant. YOU COULD ALWAYS WRITE THE ARTICLE THOUGH! :D --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 19:07, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::::: No need to shout something I wrote above. Problem: how would I even know something got lost. I reached 42000 on my watch list, but of those you changed only three. [[User:LouisAlain|LouisAlain]] is the greatest red-link filler I know. I do only one a day, today [[Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt (Mendelssohn)|a Mendelssohn composition]] on the composer's birthday ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:14, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, I change the <nowiki>{{interlanguage link|xxx|fr}}</nowiki> into <nowiki>{{ill|xxx|de}}</nowiki> when I have no plan to translate the article (see [[Occam's razor]] principle) or simply delete any form of redirect template when I know I'll translate the article in the near future, such as [[Leandra Overmann]] z.b. I never use [[de:Leandra Overmann|Leandra Overmann]] since there's no way to notice at first sight the article needs to be translated. [[User:LouisAlain|LouisAlain]] ([[User talk:LouisAlain|talk]]) 20:28, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

== About [[America's Army]] ==

Actually, this article should be considered to be of mid-importance and be vital at level 5, because it has sparked many studies, which is uncommon in video games.--[[User:RekishiEJ|RekishiEJ]] ([[User talk:RekishiEJ|talk]]) 09:00, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|RekishiEJ}} Studies are not sufficient to show that an article topic is important. See [[WP:VG/A#Importance scale]]. In this case, I'd suggest that if none of the projects on the talk page can show this to be even a mid-level article, it should not be included in the Level 5 list. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 13:27, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

== Accessibility discussion ==

Hey, you probably don't want to enter this discussion, but I'd appreciate if you could add details to it regarding rowspans usage and if it is an issue or not. It would help a lot in solving our issue. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 16:42, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
: {{Re|Gonnym}} Which discussion? (You didn't link to it! {{Smiley|wink}} ) --[[User:IJBall|IJBall]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/IJBall|contribs]] • [[User talk:IJBall|talk]])</small> 17:10, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Gonnym|IJBall}} He pinged me earlier this week. I just didn't want to get in the middle of it during the week. {{U|RexxS}} can help too, though I see he's been in the batch of related discussions too. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 17:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

== Use of "|author=" parameter ==

Hi. I see you have been putting untemplated "authors" into templates. With which I concur, except for using the {{para|author}} template. I think we really should be using {{para|first}} and {{para|last}}. Are you okay with that? &diams;&nbsp;[[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson&nbsp;(JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 21:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|J. Johnson}} Indeed, by order of preference in CS1/2:
:# First<sub>n</sub>/last<sub>n</sub>
:# Author<sub>n</sub>
:# Author with multiple people in the one parameter ([[:Category:CS1 maint: Multiple names: authors list]])
:# Authors ([[:Category:CS1 maint: Uses authors parameter]])
:# Coauthor(s) ([[:Category:Pages with citations using unsupported parameters]]).
: It's a lot of effort to change things to use first/last when I'm working on a tangential problem ([[:Category:CS1 maint: Explicit use of et al.]]). Author is easier to drop into templates for some other gnome to 'upgrade' to use first/last as appropriate i.e. my regex skills are not strong enough to change to use first/last generally and I would prefer not to slow down on the above-linked problem. Usually when you do see a change, it hits either #3 or #4, but in either #3 or #4 the issue is that the separators between people's names are not consistent or overlap (i.e. commas to separate people and commas to separate first/last). --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 22:43, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
:It looks like {{U|Trappist the monk|Ttm}} is also working on the same category, perhaps because I started working on it. ;) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 22:48, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
::So you're okay with last/first, just not trying to be perfect all at once. I sort of wish we had an "authorx" (literal 'x', not as a digit) for flagging this kind of junk. Some day. Incidentally, aren't{{para|coauthors}}, {{para|authors}}, and {{para|author}} with multiple cases all deprecated? Like we should be not using them?
::BTW, I could perhaps work out a first/last regex for you. Interested? &diams;&nbsp;[[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson&nbsp;(JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 23:18, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
::: {{ping|J. Johnson}} Yes, all of those are deprecated; that's why I linked the categories they would show up in. :D
::: I have a simple find replace, which right now is simply find in templates <code>.;&#32;</code>&nbsp;and replace with <code>. |author=</code>, which was the best easy find/replace I could see (as semicolon is fairly consistently a person separator). A more complicated one would act on <kbd>|author</kbd> and <kbd>|authors</kbd> specifically; sometimes the issue is in <kbd>|last</kbd> instead (and that last just makes me sad). --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 23:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
:::Ah, yes, I'd be interested in an actual regex for the issue, just in case that wasn't clear. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 23:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
::::Okay. So the situation is that I am familiar with regex's, just not so much on Wikipedia. Is the context for this in a script? If so, perhaps you could explain to me how to use a script. &diams;&nbsp;[[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson&nbsp;(JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 23:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|J. Johnson}} I'm using stock [[WP:AWB]] for the work I'm using, which uses .NET's flavor of regex. (See [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Regular_expression|docs]] for regex; see the specific part of AWB at [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Find and replace#Advanced|those docs]].) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 01:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
::Yeah, but I thought you were working on that category because I was; or, perhaps it's just a case of great minds thinking alike because we both noted some [[User talk:Citation bot/Archive_13#better etal handling|other conversation elsewhere]].
:
::Extracting multiple human names from a single {{para|last{{var|n}}}} / {{para|author{{var|n}}}} / {{para|editor{{var|n}}}} ... (there are more) is not a task for the faint of heart; if a human name can be made that doesn't fit the various 'patterns' of human names that a programmer knows about, someone has probably already done it.  There are obvious patterns like {{para|author}} assigned a value that is syntactically correct Vancouver format; easy fix: change {{para|author}} to {{para|vauthors}}.  What about that same example using the same human names except that the name separators are semicolons?  And if both semicolons and commas?  And there is the common case where the first human name listed is in last/first order and all other names are listed in first/last order.  Spend some time looking at the name parameters in {{cl|CS1 maint: Multiple names: authors list}} and you will see why it remains so large.  I wrote a series of six or eight bot tasks (when I really didn't know squat about regex) that converted most of the now obsolete {{para|coauthor(s)}} parameters to {{para|author{{var|n}}}}.  I don't remember how many months it took me to do that and in the end how many weeks it took me to clear the last however-many-articles manually.
:
::I'm not trying to discourage an automated fix, just trying to insert a little sense of reality.
::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 01:05, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Trappist the monk}} When I started my recent work on et al, it was at about 5200 pages. The conversation at User talk:Citation bot came around exactly because I had started my work a week or two ago; see the diff in the initial task report? That was {{noping|IznoRepeat}} finally getting noticed.
:::Oh yes, I am definitely certain it's Herculean to work on either the authors or multiple in author categories. It's the kind of thing you'd need to do multiple passes on with a single regex each time just because of how many different formats that there are and the fact you don't want for whatever tool you're using (semi or fully automatic) to hit false positives on every page. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 01:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
::::I was hoping you were using something other than AWB, which I don't run. Dang.
::::I could wish for more stringent checking of author parameters at initial entry, but that runs into a couple of questions. E.g., to what extent are the various author problems historical, versus on-going original mis-entry? Which is what brought me here: I didn't realize that Izno's use of 'author=' is a partial fix. Which would be stymied if we had strict checking.
::::One idea that's been percolating in a back corner of my mind: how about a {{para|badauthorN}} parameter? Even if it was no more than an alias to 'authorN' it would still be useful in indicating, ''in the wikitext'', a questionable usage, identified as such by a human editor, and not necessarily matching any of the existing maintenance categories.
::::A point of curiosity: where do we have human surnames using semi-colons as separators? &diams;&nbsp;[[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson&nbsp;(JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 21:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{[ping|J. Johnson}} Yes, I was pretty sure you had said some-when you don't use AWB. I assume you don't have a compatible operating system?
:::::{{tq|A point of curiosity}} I'm not sure I understand this question. But I have literally seen this form: {{para|first|First1, First2, First3}} {{para|last|Last1, Last2, Last3}}; and occasionally the same with semicolons; and then there's the {{para|author|First, Last Initial.; First2, Last Initial2.;}}--which is relatively sane but still causes one of the maintenance categories; and then there's the same with {{para|authors}}; and then there's the same without semicolons, as in {{para|author|First, Last Initial., First2, Last Initial2.,}}--at which point we have entered the impossible; sometimes it's {{para|first|First}} {{para|last|Last}} {{para|last2|First2, Last Initial2.; First3, Last Initial3.;}}... People are crazy. There are others out there that just make me shake my head. As I said, I'm happy with just {{para|author|Last, First MI.}} or even {{para|author|First MI. Last}}, which I suspect is much easier to separate into {{para|first|First MI.}} and {{para|last|Last}}...
:::::That's aside from the corporate authors with internal-to-the-name comma separation, as in The Industry of This, That, and The Other; which are legitimate but which we don't have a good solution for at this time. Some discussions on that one on [[Help talk:CS1]] I've even opposed the solution for. (To wit, the double round brackets to indicate a corporate author, as can be used today with {{para|vauthors}}.)
:::::I don't think adding a BadAuthor parameter is going to help.
:::::As for the problem, I think it's mostly historical. (I admit I personally struggle with Asian names, which can be ambiguous depending on where the person grew up--in Asia, Family Given is normal convention; elsewhere, Given Family.) The backlogs associated with the above craziness decrease slowly year-over-year. I think the various templatedata editors help/will help (since they're now integrating a similar functionality into the 2010 WTE that has been in the VE/2017 WTE, even if you didn't have reFill enabled, which was gadget-only).
:::::Strict checking? That's a golden egg. There was a nice little blog article I read a few years ago about assumptions you can make as a developer being garbage. Not everyone has an address. Not every country has postal codes. Not everyone has a family name. And so on. Same applies here. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 03:43, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
::::::I should have been clearer. I didn't mean the various creative ways editors use semi-colons (and that parallel "F1, F2, F3/L1, L2, L3" is a beauty), but rather: are there instances of ''real'' human names that use semi-colons? It seems to me that should be a flag.
::::::Chinese names are not rough: ''usually'' the surname is one syllable, and personal names are two. So when in my collection of articles with Chinese authors I find an article that seems to be other way I start looking for those authors' webapges. And sure enough, there was an editorial irregularity!
::::::Why do you think 'badauthor=' wouldn't help? Just as a flag (functionally equivalent to an embedded comment?) it says (right in the wikitext) "here's a problem that needs attention", and even "don't use this as a model!" And it would even say "this experienced editor isn't really screwing up". &diams;&nbsp;[[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson&nbsp;(JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 22:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
:{{undent}} {{ping|J. Johnson}} {{tq|are there instances of ''real'' human names that use semi-colons}} Not that I'm aware of. The module today looks for more than one comma or semicolon. Are you suggesting that the module look for more than one comma and more than 0 semicolons? I wouldn't oppose that if you brought it up at [[Help talk:CS1]]. (The function in [[Module:Citation/CS1]] is <code>name_has_mult_names</code>.) Have to dash. Will answer the rest later. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 23:44, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
:As for badauthor, we could do that with everything. I think it would be better instead to get as many maintenance messages to being error messages instead (where it makes sense--things like the "ignore isbn" maintenance message is correctly IMO a maintenance message), so that everyone knows that something may have been done wrong, rather than only those few of us who have turned maintenance messages on. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 14:28, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
::I agree that maintenance messages are insufficiently visible. (And perhaps not strict enough.) But: the problem I see with error messages is where the errors are already in, so the message goes not to whomever was originally responsible for them, but to every editor that edits an article/section. Who (like yourself) might be doing one kind of edit, and don't want to be stuck having to fix everything else that's wrong in a given article or section. (I am thinking in terms of edit-time messages. Alternately, we turn on displayed error messages, and all of sudden we have tens of thousands of {{red|red blotches}}.)  With something like "badauthor=" one can identify a problem without being forced to fix it. And others can see the problem without checking the maintenance category, or even having to edit. Yes, we could do that with lots of parameters, though I wouldn't bother except for the most pervasive errors. Implementing "badauthor=" could even be a test of the concept.  &diams;&nbsp;[[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson&nbsp;(JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 21:33, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
:::{{tq|With something like "badauthor=" one can identify a problem without being forced to fix it.}} is predicated on {{para|author}} needing fixing. It is not preferred, but it's also not deprecated like all the others; it's also such a low priority relative to everything else that yet needs fixing.
:::{{tq|the problem I see with error messages is where the errors are already in}} If that's the problem (without judgement on whether it is), {{para|badauthor}} doesn't fix it. This one is fixed by a reader becoming an editor and trying to fix the problem, which should already be displayed (as you agree), or by a gnome trying to take care of the issues he knows or wants to fix. Introducing another parameter doesn't help the end goal, which is fundamentally fewer parameters... Something like {{para|badauthor}} might be helpful for the casual editor who doesn't know what to do with something, but I'm distinctly not one of them. Being able to surface {{para|author}} as sub-optimal should probably be in the documentation... That said, it's currently the documented preferred use for corporate authors. I wonder if we might need something like a {{para|org-author<sub>n</sub>}} for that case. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 02:07, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

=== Remaining in the category ===
{{ping|Trappist the monk}} It looks like we need display-interviewers and display-translators in the module for the remaining few in the category. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 01:16, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
:I also saw another pattern that might be worth searching for, which is {{kbd|et alia}}. A [[Special:Search]] didn't see a whole lot of these in the context of templates but they were out there. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 03:38, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

== Trickshot  info ==
Moved to [[User talk:WalkinAlmanac#Trickshot info]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 03:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)}}

== Help ==

Hey,
Could you help me add content to the [[2032 Summer Olympics]] page? [[User:Yellow alligator|Yellow alligator]] ([[User talk:Yellow alligator|talk]]) 04:34, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Yellow alligator}} Hello, I'm not interested in Olympics articles. Have you tried [[WT:OLYMPICS]]? --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 16:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

== Removing Cquote ==

What did you mean by saying "Cquote is for '''pulls''' and this is not a''' pull'''"? I did not get what did you mean by "Pull"?[[User:Justlookingforthemoment|Justlookingforthemoment]] ([[User talk:Justlookingforthemoment|talk]]) 11:21, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Justlookingforthemoment}} "Pull" is short for [[pull quote]], and {{tl|cquote}} is for use only with pull quotes. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 15:50, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
::Oh, I got it [[User:Justlookingforthemoment|Justlookingforthemoment]] ([[User talk:Justlookingforthemoment|talk]]) 17:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

== Sabana Grande ==
Hey. The Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabana_Grande,_Caracas has been vandalised by Jamez42. 100,000 characters have been deleted and several quotes/sources from relevant authors and academicians.

Please, I kindly ask you to review the article.

--[[User:QuinteroP|QuinteroP]] ([[User talk:QuinteroP|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|QuinteroP}} That does not look like [[WP:Vandalism|vandalism]], which is what happens when someone removes it for no reason or no good reason. {{u|Jamez42}} removed the content because he thinks it is very [[WP:PROMO|promotional]], which is a good reason to remove content on Wikipedia. Maybe he can comment further. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 15:53, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|QuinteroP}} I would like that for the next time you ping me. {{ping|Izno}} I removed the content per [[WP:NPOV]] and [[WP:BLOWITUP]], and the same decision that was taken in the Spanish Wikipedia. There's currently a [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Sabana Grande, Caracas/archive1|peer review]] opened by Quintero in the issue. I apologize if the edit was too drastic, but the article needs improvement. --[[User:Jamez42|Jamez42]] ([[User talk:Jamez42|talk]]) 15:57, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

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== Mar 2019: I had to undo your recent edits--Sorry ==

Hi, Izno. I have just edited the article [[Pseudopodia]] from beginning to end, and, encountering an "edit conflict" with your recent work, I opted to wipe it out so as not to make things worse by editing around your edit. Would you mind making your edits again? Many thanks if you are able. --[[User:Quisqualis|Quisqualis]] ([[User talk:Quisqualis|talk]]) 17:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

==Um... why?==
Why did you remove all the tournament results from [[Super Smash Bros. in esports]]? What kind of citation do you really want, because as far as I know all of those lists have citations to the organizations that make these results. [[User:WikiBrainHead|<span style="font-family:Calibri"><span style="color: red;">WikiBrainHead</span></span>]] [[User talk:WikiBrainHead|(talk)]] 22:14, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|WikiBrainHead}} The content does not pass our [[WP:RS]] test so it doesn't have the correct [[WP:WEIGHT]]. To boot, it's out of date or incorrect, as your edit attempted to fix. We shouldn't be putting that information there. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 22:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
::I don't understand, how is a post straight from the organization's mouth considered unreliable? [[User:WikiBrainHead|<span style="font-family:Calibri"><span style="color: red;">WikiBrainHead</span></span>]] [[User talk:WikiBrainHead|(talk)]] 22:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:::There's more to "reliability" in this context; we also need for the information to be ''independent'' to be worth including (per [[WP:WEIGHT]]). --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 22:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
::::I don't know if this counts as a personal attack or something, but that's kinda bullshit. I guess I have no choice then. [[User:WikiBrainHead|<span style="font-family:Calibri"><span style="color: red;">WikiBrainHead</span></span>]] [[User talk:WikiBrainHead|(talk)]] 23:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|WikiBrainHead}} It's how Wikipedia works. If you're that invested in the topic, I'm sure one or another of the Fandom/Gamepedia wikis or possibly Liquipedia may be interested in contributions related to player rankings. You can write to your heart's content there. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 23:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::That's kinda why I think it's bullshit. I do massive amounts of work on tournament and competitive Smash Bros. on the Smash Bros. Wiki, and there is no opposition to my work because the community is literally the source for Smash Bros, and so they know whether my edits are full of crap or not. I don't feel like Wikipedia is the same. As I said, I can't change Wikipedia's policies so I'll just step down. [[User:WikiBrainHead|<span style="font-family:Calibri"><span style="color: red;">WikiBrainHead</span></span>]] [[User talk:WikiBrainHead|(talk)]] 23:28, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|WikiBrainHead}} Sure, but it's not a question of whether your edits are full of crap (I haven't judged the quality of your edits). The dimension along which I care is not "it's true/false" (which is [[WP:V]] and some of [[WP:NOT]]) but rather "it's (not) relevant to a general encyclopedia", which is what some other parts of [[WP:NOT]] and [[WP:N]] (for articles) and [[WP:WEIGHT]] (for article content) indicate are needed.
:::::::On an aside, you can have a shorter signature code with: <code><nowiki>[[User:WikiBrainHead|<span style="font-family: Calibri; color: red;">WikiBrainHead</span>]] [[User talk:WikiBrainHead|(talk)]]</nowiki></code>. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 23:38, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

== 24 articles ==

Hi there, hope you're doing well. I just wanted to let you know that I've undone the redirect of a few articles of characters noted in the television show - most of them I do agree with, but the ones that I undid I actually do possess many references that do assert independent notability (but I do realise that there's way too much plot, and they need to be rewritten and trimmed.)

I will work on these in the coming weeks as I need to dig up my info, but wanted to drop you a note and let you know. Thanks for your efforts, have a good day. <span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Steven Crossin|<span style="color:#078330;">Steven</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Crossin|<span style="color:#2875B0;">Crossin</span>]]</span> 13:22, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Steven Crossin}} Please consider instead expanding the list of characters and undoing your reverts. I would rather see one quality list article than several articles which even now fail our policies and guidelines regarding plot and writing about fiction. The entire set has seen no improvement since they were created a decade ago. I have little doubt that some of them can meet our PAGs but the way to do it is to [[WP:SPLIT]] sections which become too large from the list, or to consider drafting each article as its worked on. For the moment I'll leave it be, but if I see little improvement I'll walk them to AFD. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 13:36, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
:As for which were selected, the ones with overly long plots and underly-long creation/reception information were the ones merged into the list. Those with good balance were left alone of course, while those with no information of the sort were simply redirected without merging.  --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 13:41, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
::I’ll need to take a look, the problem is that no content was merged at all apart from their names. There used to be a list that actually contained brief character info for minor characters but it seems to have disappeared so, will have to hunt it down a Agree some articles should probably be merged, but not all the content in them should be disposed of like it has - even if the target article has only a few sentences about the characters impact on the program. <span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Steven Crossin|<span style="color:#078330;">Steven</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Crossin|<span style="color:#2875B0;">Crossin</span>]]</span> 06:20, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Steven Crossin}} Have you had a chance? It's been 3 or 4 weeks now and you haven't edited in 2 or 3. That indicates to me that these aren't anywhere on your priorities list.
:::{{tq|even if the target article has only a few sentences about the characters impact on the program}} No, we [[WP:WEIGHT|cover material in proportion to its availability in reliable, independent sources]], and article topics [[WP:GNG|where there are multiple, independent, reliable sources discussing the topic in depth]]. If readers are interested in character impact, they have the many lists of episodes available to them, where major characters will clearly have their impact indicated in the summaries and minor characters will, appropriately, not be listed. The merges I performed kept material which had obvious sourcing and removed material which did not. Since you are not present, I intend to reinsert my edits that you reverted within the next week. If you wish to build from there, that is your prerogative, and in fact it's my recommendation, as it will allow the articles to conform with policy without needless (and clear) [[WP:WAF|cruft]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 22:55, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Go ahead and do that, might as well. It’s been ten years or so and I guess Wikipedia is going the way of having less and less articles as people think it shouldn’t contain any information about except about boring plants and French villages. I don’t care anymore. <span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Steven Crossin|<span style="color:#078330;">Steven</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Crossin|<span style="color:#2875B0;">Crossin</span>]]</span> 23:20, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Please leave [[Chloe O’Brian]] and [[Tony Almeida]] though. You may not be interested and the articles need a rewrite, but a quick Google search shows they are covered in multiple reliable sources. They appear in the most episodes apart from the main character. You’re right, I don’t have the time to work on them but someone will and I’ll post my list of sources on the talk pages. <span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Steven Crossin|<span style="color:#078330;">Steven</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Crossin|<span style="color:#2875B0;">Crossin</span>]]</span> 23:35, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
:::And [[David Palmer (24 character)]] does assert notability already. It’s at the bottom of the article. <span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Steven Crossin|<span style="color:#078330;">Steven</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Crossin|<span style="color:#2875B0;">Crossin</span>]]</span> 23:39, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

== [[Template:TRS-80 and Tandy computers]] ==

Hi there,

I posted a brief comment discussing your changes to this template at [[Template_talk:TRS-80_and_Tandy_computers]], and would appreciate your feedback if you have the time.

Thank you!

[[User:Ubcule|Ubcule]] ([[User talk:Ubcule|talk]]) 22:29, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

== MOS lists ==

Before you go ahead and make major changes to MOS relating to lists, I think it would be courteous (and indeed proper) to inform some of the major stakeholders, e.g. the [[WP:FLC]] community.  After all, their community members may have some objections to your modifications. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:04, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|The Rambling Man}} I am performing the merge that was suggested and closed quite some time ago. I am skeptical that anyone will have issue with it, but if they do, the issues they have will have been there for some time as the information will have been living on [[WP:Manual of Style/Embedded lists]]... --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 20:08, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::I'm sorry.  I must have missed the notification to the FLC project, I have been busy and travelling quite a bit.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|The Rambling Man}} I doubt FLC was notified--your instinct was probably in the right spot. *g* I have no issue with someone leaving a note there, but I'm not intending to make changes to policy or guideline, just moving stuff around. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 20:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::::No worries, sorry to have bothered you. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:23, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

== AWB wikilinks ==

Hi Izno, re: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=892898938&oldid=892897182 this response], thank you, and my follow up question is: how do I initiate this functionality in AWB? I used AWB in a very simple capacity a few years back. I'm no good with setting up RegEx stuff, on account of not being a programming type. Is this something that is easy to set up? Can I just import a tool, or do I have to be a whiz in order to get this ball rolling? Thanks, [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 05:54, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Cyphoidbomb}} None of the above. In stock AWB there is the Alerts box under the Start tab in the middle group of the default installation. If a page has duplicate wikilinks, an alert will display there and allow you to work on removing them. (See also [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/User manual#Start]].) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 11:22, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

== Sorry! ==

Sorry for the undoing I made for the [[Arms (video game)]], it was by an accident! [[User:Jovanmilic97|Jovanmilic97]] ([[User talk:Jovanmilic97|talk]]) 17:48, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
== Nomination for deletion of Template:Small/styles.css ==
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==Discussion at [[ Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll#Shut this down?]]==
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[ Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Optional_RfA_candidate_poll#Shut this down?]].  [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 00:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->

== Bobby Kotick ==

I caution you against vandalising the Bobby Kotick page by deleting a legitimate category.  I am reversing your reversal.  If you don't like this category, you should complain to Wikipedia and advocate that it be deleted across-the-board.<ref>https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywoods-battles-best-bar-mitzvah-5m-budgets-justin-bieber-camels-945171</ref><ref>https://spong.com/article/22912/Activisions-Kotick-Called-Hitler</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_businesspeople</ref>  You don't have anything against Jews, do you?
{{reflist-talk}}
:{{ping|Betathetapi545}} I have in fact just deleted it from the list as the reference, as {{u|Lordtobi}} points out, verifies only (and only obliquely!) that his daughter is Jewish. Spong.com is not an obviously reliable source, so I don't see that as credible. Anyway, you at-least attempted to remedy the reason for my reversion, which was that a category cannot be added unless it is verified in the article ([[WP:CATV]]). --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 13:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

== IznoRepeat flub ==

{{diff|Frederick Scherger|901868728|899952484|This edit}}.

—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 21:26, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{hidden ping|Trappist the monk}} Yeah, I'm doing edits like that one mostly by hand. Good catch. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 21:33, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

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:Yup. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 01:39, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
== Sources needed for Days of the Year pages ==
I see you recently accepted a pending change to [[August 7]] that did not include a direct source.

You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from [[WP:V]] and direct sources are required for additions.  For details see [[Wikipedia:Days_of_the_year#Direct_citations|the content guideline]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Days_of_the_year#Style|the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide]].   I've gone ahead and un-accepted this edit and backed it out.   

All the pages in the Days of the Year project have had pending changes protection turned on to prevent vandalism and further addition of entries without direct sources.   As a pending changes patroller, please do not accept additions to day of year pages where no direct source has been provided on that day of year page.   The [[WP:BURDEN|burden to provide sources for additions to these pages]] is on the editor who adds or restores material to these pages.   Thank you.   [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] <small>([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]])</small> 15:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
: That's fine. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 15:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

== Pledge ==

I hereby pledge that if you become an admin I'll stop or reduce severely use of that tiresome pun. I mean, unless you want me to keep going of course. [https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=910531889] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:49, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
:The inimitable {{u|EEng}}, there izno-one who deserves more to pun off this name, for he came first among the many who followed. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 04:10, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
::What can I say, I'm a trendsetter. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

=== Your request for adminship ===

Hi Izno, I have closed [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Izno|your request for adminship]] as successful. Congratulations for both your successful nomination and for your place on [[WP:RFX100]] - impressive! As always, the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list|administrators' reading list]] is worth reading and [[Wikipedia:New admin|the new admin help pages]] are most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Good luck! [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 15:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

===Successful RfA===
* Congratulations for adminship !!  [[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC;">'''CAPTAIN RAJU'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 15:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
[[File:Admin_T-shirt.PNG|thumb|Congrats..The admins' T-shirt for you. [[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC;">'''CAPTAIN RAJU'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 15:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)]]

*Congrats - please insert the least annoying pun variation you can think of here! [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 15:16, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
*Congratulations! [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 15:16, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
*Well done, and do well! [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 15:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
*Condolences {{p}} – that was really ''some'' RfA''!'' '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:95%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]''''',&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<small>16:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)</small>
*Felicitations and welcome to the team. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:55, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
*It's all downhill from here, of course. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:30, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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{{New Sysop}}
{{Admingrats}}
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{{clear}}
:Welcome to the admin corps.[[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC;">'''CAPTAIN RAJU'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 15:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
:Congrats! :) Welcome to the admin-hood. [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 23:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
*Gah sorry had no idea your RFA had closed - A belated congratulations :). –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color:blue;">'''Dave'''</span> | <span style="color:blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color:orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color:navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 00:02, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
:*I'm late to the party as well but at least you have the mop and pail to clean up after us. Congrats. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 09:24, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
:Very sorry to have missed this, but glad to see you took the jump! ~  <span style="color:#DF00A0">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 21:17, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

=== Welcome to SWAT! ===

Congratulations on your successful RfA and welcome to the ranks of the SoWhy Adminship Team (or [[WP:SWAT|SWAT]])! {{=)}} I'm still working on the badges and uniforms but for now, you can wear the admin t-shirt during your shifts! {{=)|biggrin}} Regards [[User:SoWhy|<span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]] 15:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
:A very prestigious honour, if I do say so myself {{;)}} Congrats on the RfA, and if you need anything, feel free to reach out. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 23:09, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
::Funny that {{u|SoWhy}}'s adminship team shares the same acronym with the [[wikitech:SWAT_deploys#Humour|'''S'''etting '''W'''ikis '''A'''blaze '''T'''eam]], which Izno is sort of capable of now, too :) Seriously, don't end up in the [[WP:STOCKS]]. Congrats Izno! <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 01:25, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
:::Bah, they stole it. That site was only [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=SWAT_deploys&oldid=104026 created in 2014]. Amalthea coined SWAT in 2009! {{=)|tongue}} Regards [[User:SoWhy|<span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]] 08:07, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the SWAT, Izno. Congratulations! [[User talk:Lourdes|<span style="color:blue; background: white">Lourdes 08:51, 18 August 2019 (UTC)</span>]]
:Ditto - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof|talk]]) 13:35, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

=== Thanks all ===
I just left a logged thank for you all who participated (I think) as I'm not a fan of the talk page spam that happens after most RFAs. I might come around for personal notes, or I might not. (More likely not.) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 23:44, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

=== Thanks and congrats or condolences ===

[[WP:Links]] looks all better now!  Unfortunately none of the talk pages says how you ended up fixing it, but I wouldn't understand anyway.

I figure that when someone asks a technical question like I did in an RfA discussion, it's kind of like comic relief.  But, IF I hadn't been on vacation, and IF the question had been resolved before the RfA closed, I would have !voted you up, but it looks like you got by without that.  Good luck!  [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 23:58, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

=== Belated congratulations ===

I have been offline for a few days so I will offer belated congratulations on your successful RFA. I am sure you will do a great job. Glad I had a chance to support. [[User:Donner60|Donner60]] ([[User talk:Donner60|talk]]) 01:23, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

=== RFA ===

Somehow I missed it, Glad you made it. · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 14:18, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
:Congrats! [[User:Lotje|Lotje]] ([[User talk:Lotje|talk]]) 15:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

=== A barnstar for you! ===

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|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For electing to take up the mop which is something I don't think I could ever have the willingness to do. I think you'll do a good job. [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 20:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
|}

== Double spaces ==

Way [way] back in the day I was on a team of "writers" in the Army: triple-spaced drafts, which we c/e'd for each other and (unless nearly perfect so the colonel could send it directly to the typing pool/proofreader) re-typed. And re-typed. ''Manually.'' Believe me, Ctrl+f and I are having a fine ol' time here. Yanno, unwrapping ellipses 'n such [too]. 'Preciate you.--[[User:Brogo13|Brogo13]] ([[User talk:Brogo13|talk]]) 14:24, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

== Infobox religious biography ==
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== Administrators' newsletter – September 2019 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (August 2019).
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[[File:Admin mop.PNG|20px|alt=]] '''Administrator changes'''
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:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Floquenbeam 2|Floquenbeam]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/908574249#Resysop request - Lectonar|Lectonar]]
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== RfA header ==

I don't see why this needs to be collapsed. On the contrary, it being open would invite people to read some of the links - many of which are quite important. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 08:18, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
:{{u|Kudpung}}, a good chunk of the links strike me as missing the core point of RFA (the page on which I adjusted the templat to collapse, rather than in the template to be collapsed everywhere), which is to become an administrator (if running), and select those who would be one (if !voting). I think maybe only the first group box really invites users to those goals, and the rest is at best tangential to that mission (though important to many as to why RFA at least has a bad rap, if in fact it does not also have issues doing its job). A number of those earlier links are subsequently introduced in the mass of text, so they duplicate the main page. (This is not itself an issue, but on most pages the navbox comes later.)
: Then of course there is the [[banner blindness]] (I expect that few use the template).
:The edit was bold (and comes with the conditions of such an edit :). Maybe an even bolder edit would decimate the rest of the content to something people might want to read. A good chunk of it should maybe live elsewhere on e.g. [[WP:ADMIN]] as a part of the policy while we strip it down just to the list of links necessary to get people to engage with what we care about at the main RFA page. I think that might be more, rather than less, likely to get people to read the helper text. (I came up with the reasoning for most of the above just now, after the fact.) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 12:12, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
::I use that tpl a lot, but then I have a vested interest in all things RfA and am always looking things up. I would still leave it open, but I won't argue with you. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 12:22, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

== Bullets ==

Regarding [[Special:Diff/915239938/915240974|bullets]], it's no joke when they say you learn something new every day.  I've been here a decade and was doing it wrong the entire time! 😱  Anyways, thanks for letting me know. -[[User talk:Fastily|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS';color:Indigo;font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-size:120%;">F</span><span style="font-size:90%;">ASTILY</span></span>]] 01:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Fastily}} We only recently made the reference easy to understand (even if it existed earlier than 'recently'), so you're forgiven for your errors. :^) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 02:00, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

== What the actual *** ==
1. Why am I the only one that received a warning from you?

2. So because the original creator disagrees with my hours of edits he gets to control the page to where only he gets to make additions? The only thing he initially disagreed with was me changing the title to include capital letters, and after he reverted that back I told him that I was completely fine with him changing it back, but my hours worth of edit were completely and totally unrelated.

I even went out of my way to merge some of his newer edits with my own. One of the points brought up on the talk page was one of my '''EDIT SUMMARIES'''. Not even something that was put in the article ''ffs''. He doesn't get to call something into question that I've never even put on the page until hours ago when I spent 20 fucking minutes wasting my time finding sources to actually include it into the article only for all my work to be flat out reverted. Honestly, fuck Wikipedia. I try to help me and some assholes ruin everything. Please explain to me how that is fair whatsoever???? [[User:MarioFan78|<big><span style="color: #05C900;">'''M'''</span><span style="color: #08D8FC;">'''A'''</span><span style="color: #F1C82E;">'''R'''</span><span style="color: #F83837;">'''I'''</span><span style="color: #05C900;">'''O'''</span></big>]]<span style="text-shadow: 0 0 5px red; color: red;">[[User talk:MarioFan78|<sup><span style="color: #08D8FC;">Fan78</span></sup>]]</span> 20:37, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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== Administrators' newsletter – October 2019 ==

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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
:*Following [[Special:Permalink/914738329#Proposal for C2F speedy deletion process|a discussion]], a new criterion for speedy category renaming was added: [[WP:C2F|C2F: One eponymous article]], which {{tq|applies if the category contains ''only'' an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories}}.

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:*As [[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter/2019/1|previously noted]], tighter [[meta:Password policy|password requirements]] for Administrators were put in place last year.  Wikipedia should now alert you if your password is less than 10 characters long and thus too short.

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
:*The [[WP:CUOS2019|2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointment process]] has begun.  The community consultation period will take place October 4th to 10th.
:*The [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fram|arbitration case regarding]] {{noping|Fram}} was [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fram#Final decision 2|closed]].  While there will be a local RfC {{tq|focus[ing] on how harassment and private complaints should be handled in the future}}, there is currently a global [[meta:Office actions/Community consultation on partial and temporary office actions/09 2019|community consultation on partial and temporary office actions]] in response to the [[WP:FRAM|incident]]. It will be open until October 30th.

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== Thiyya wikipedia page ==

As you told in [[thiyya]] talk page, i have drafted thiyyar wikipedia. 
Please redirect thiyya to [[thiyyar]]. [[User:Kalangot|Kalangot]] ([[User talk:Kalangot|talk]]) 07:41, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kalangot/sandbox/Thiyya 

  please review and suggests changes  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kalangot|Kalangot]] ([[User talk:Kalangot#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kalangot|contribs]]) 18:52, 9 October 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{ping|Kalangot}} Hello, please post your request/comment on [[Talk:Ezhava]]. If no-one replies there, someone should still be around from the AFC project to help you sometime soon. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 20:10, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Already created a draft on thiyya. 
It's been reviewed. 
In the mean  time  can you reduce the protection level of [[Thiyyar]] so that we could start a project through talk.  [[User:Kalangot|Kalangot]] ([[User talk:Kalangot|talk]]) 07:22, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Kalangot}} [[draft:thiyya|Your draft was deleted]]. It looks like it was a copyright violation, which is not okay on Wikipedia. You will need to rewrite and resubmit the page to [[WP:AFC]]. I do not intend to reduce the protection level of that page. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 15:54, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

== Vandalism on [[Sambandam]] ==

* {{vandal|Ahuwwhh}} User is here to disrupt the article only, not to contribute.Repeatedly disrupting the original work  [[Sambandam]] [[User:Kalangot|Kalangot]] ([[User talk:Kalangot|talk]]) 01:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

== Izno - I have got a question regarding spelling of Esports ==

Hello Izno, I saw your comment that you had made. I am pretty sure it is supposed to be spelled with a capital letter at the front but you say that Wiki prefers not to use capital letters unless it is expected. However, Esports is supposed to be spelled with a capital E instead of a lower case e. I wanted to hear your opinion on this.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hannibalrising94|Hannibalrising94]] ([[User talk:Hannibalrising94#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hannibalrising94|contribs]]) 16:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)</small>
:{{Ping|Hannibalrising94}} Please read the last paragraph of [[WP:VG/STYLE]] under "Name formatting", which is about how to spell esports. For our manual of style, esports is not treated as a proper noun. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 16:45, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. Appreciate it!

== Administrators' newsletter – November 2019 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (October 2019).
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:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:Permalink/919861454#Request for reinstatement (DESiegel)|DESiegel]] • [[Special:Permalink/921872334#Request_return_of_admin_rights_(GB_fan)|GB fan]] • [[Special:Permalink/919199766#Request (MSGJ)|MSGJ]] • [[Special:Permalink/923035617#Resysop request - Voice of Clam|Voice of Clam]] • [[Special:Permalink/919437002#Permissions (WilyD)|WilyD]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:Permalink/922182705#Desysop (DeltaQuad)|DeltaQuad]] • [[Special:Permalink/918944073#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2019#October 2019|Fang Aili ]] • [[Special:Permalink/918944073#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2019#October 2019|Pakaran]]

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:* An [[Special:Permalink/919786962#Resysop_criteria:_RfC_on_principles|RfC was closed]] with the consensus that the [[WP:RESYSOP|resysop criteria]] should be made stricter.
::* The follow-up RfC to develop that change is now open at [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2019 Resysop Criteria (2)]].
:* A [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2019 community sentiment on binding desysop procedure|related RfC]] is seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure.

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
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== MoS VG ==

Hi there, I know you have some concerns with the addition to 'genres in the lead' in MoS VG as seen here [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Video_games&diff=next&oldid=924083343&diffmode=source]. I would strongly reccommend voicing your concerns now as there is currently discussion about these implementations here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Video_games]. Kind regards [[User:Spy-cicle|<span style='color: #ceff00;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b>&nbsp;Spy-cicle💥&nbsp;</b></span>]] [[User talk:Spy-cicle#top|<sup><span style='color: #ceff00;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b>''Talk''?</b></span></sup>]] 17:14, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Spy-cicle}} Yeah, just trying to make it through my watchlist for the past couple of weeks still. I'll be along shortly. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 17:15, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|Izno}} Sorry to be a nag but if you still have concerns about the addition to 'genres in the lead' in MoS VG I would suggest you make your position clear sooner rather than later as they are trying to reach consencus as soon as [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Video_games&diff=924898801&oldid=924275463&diffmode=source]. Kind regards [[User:Spy-cicle|<span style='color: #ceff00;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b>&nbsp;Spy-cicle💥&nbsp;</b></span>]] [[User talk:Spy-cicle#top|<sup><span style='color: #ceff00;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b>''Talk''?</b></span></sup>]] 15:39, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

== Article recreated ==

Hello,

the headline says all. I recreated the article and I want to know what is wrong with the article. How can I show you the article?

[[User:Jicco123|Jicco123]] ([[User talk:Jicco123|talk]]) 20:08, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

== Re: November 2019 ==

Can you explain the message left on my talk page? Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/172.223.6.230|172.223.6.230]] ([[User talk:172.223.6.230|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

==Minor Template Edit Requested==
Moved to [[Template talk:Infobox radio station#Italics redux]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 03:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/EvergreenFir| EvergreenFir]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ToBeFree|ToBeFree]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:Permalink/923976972#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#November_2019|Akhilleus]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/926728579#Wish to retire my mop|Athaenara]] • [[Special:Permalink/923976972#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#November_2019|John Vandenberg]] • [[Special:Permalink/923976972#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#November_2019|Melchoir]] • [[Special:Permalink/923976972#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#November_2019|MichaelQSchmidt]] • [[Special:Permalink/923976972#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#November_2019|NeilN]] • [[Special:Permalink/923976972#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#November_2019|Youngamerican]] • [[Special:Permalink/923976972#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#November_2019|😂]]

[[File:Checkuser Logo.svg|20px|alt=]] '''CheckUser changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:Permalink/925367627#Changes_to_CheckUser_team_(Beeblebrox)|Beeblebrox]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:Permalink/924626165#Changes to CheckUser team|Deskana]]

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:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:Permalink/926124542#Re-intadmin request (Evad37)|Evad37]]

[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
:*An [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2019 Resysop Criteria (2)|RfC on the administrator resysop criteria]] was closed. 18 proposals have been summarised with a variety of supported and opposed statements. The inactivity grace period within which a new [[WP:RFA|request for adminship]] is not required has been reduced from three years to two. Additionally, [[WP:Bureaucrats|Bureaucrats]] are permitted to use their discretion when returning administrator rights.
:*Following [[Special:Permalink/928548878#Open_mailing_list_to_edit_filter_helpers?|a proposal]], the [[WP:EFMAILING|edit filter mailing list]] has been opened up to users with the Edit Filter Helper right.

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
:*Wikimedia projects can set a default block length for users via [[MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry]]. A new page, [[MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry-ip]], allows the setting of a different default block length for IP editors. Neither is currently used. ([[phab:T219126|T219126]])

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
:* Voting in the [[WP:ACE2019|2019 Arbitration Committee Elections]] is open to eligible editors until Monday 23:59, 2 December 2018 UTC. Please review [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Candidates|the candidates]] and, if you wish to do so, submit your choices on [[Special:SecurePoll/vote/751|the voting page]].

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
:*The global [[meta:Office actions/Community consultation on partial and temporary office actions/09 2019|consultation on partial and temporary office actions]] that ended in October received a [[meta:Talk:Office actions/Community consultation on partial and temporary office actions/09 2019|closing statement from staff]] concluding, among other things, that the WMF {{tq|will no longer use partial or temporary Office Action bans... until and unless community consensus that they are of value or Board directive}}.

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== White space above the table ==

Do you know how to remove all the white space above table on the [[2019 Albania earthquake]] page? If you know, can you correct it if you have spare time or if you know someone who knows do it, help us, please. Thank you. [[User:Djole 555|Djole 555]] ([[User talk:Djole 555|talk]]) 06:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Djole 555}} Generally too many styles trying to do too many things will cause that issue. I've removed the offending styles. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 14:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

== WP:NOT revert  ==

Hi Izno, I noticed that you reverted my edit on [[WP:What Wikipedia is not]]. Why? Did I do something wrong? If so, tell me and I will correct it. -[[User:Prahlad balaji|◊<u><b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b></u>]][[User talk:Prahlad balaji|<sup style="color:#707">Balaji</sup>]] 14:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Prahlad balaji}} We do not refer people to specific non-Wikimedia properties in our policies in general, so the edit was entirely wrong and not obviously correctable. Please feel free to take any further discussion to [[WT:NOT]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 15:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Izno}} OK. -[[User:Prahlad balaji|◊<u><b style="color:#095">PRAHLAD</b></u>]][[User talk:Prahlad balaji|<sup style="color:#707">Balaji</sup>]] 16:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

== RFC links ==

This was a non-consensus addition to the template ages ago that slipped by. All identifier links across all template directly link to the corresponding identifier articles. {{tl|doi}} links to [[Digital object identifier]] directly, not pointless redirects like [[Digital object identifier (identifier)]] → [[Digital object identifier]]. Likewise if you use {{para|doi}} in any citation template. RFCs aren't special here. If this consistent behaviour is to be changed, consensus needs to be established at [[Help:CS1]] or similar. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 02:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

== It’s that time of year!! (At 50% zoom) ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="5" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:2015_Holiday_Cheer.jpg|thumb|400px|<div class="center">Christmas tree worm, ''(Spirobranchus gigantic)''<br /><br /><sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 18:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)</sup></div>]]
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|style="padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" |<big><big><div class="center"> '''Time To Spread A Little'''<br /> 
{{font color|red|Happy}}{{font color|gold|Holiday}}{{font color|green|Cheer!!}}</div></big></big>
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | <div class="center">''I decorated a special kind of '''{{font color|red|Christmas}} {{font color|green|tree}}'''<br /> in the spirit of the season.<br /><br />''
What's especially nice about<br /> this digitized version:<br /> *it doesn't need water <br />*won't catch fire<br />*and batteries aren't required.</div>
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|style="padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.0em;" | <div class="center"><big>Have a very Merry Christmas -  Happy Hanukkah‼️ <br />
and a prosperous New Year!!

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== Sorry ==

It was a test, and it wasn't meant for actual deletion purposes, I will use the sandbox next time. [[User:James The Bond 007|--Sir Bond 007 (James The Bond 007)]] ([[User talk:James The Bond 007|talk]]) 14:05, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

:There is a user, who keeps criticizing me, and threatens to open a discussion for a block, can I please have some help? 14:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:James The Bond 007|James The Bond 007]] ([[User talk:James The Bond 007#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/James The Bond 007|contribs]]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Their response on mine is unsatisfactory. In their short time here they've created quite a mess and are clearly [[WP:NOTHERE]]. See their talk page history and edit history. Not only have they already been blocked before, they've made personal attacks, repeatedly made nonsense edits, edit-warred, had several things os'd, generally been an annoyance but they decided it was appropriate to make ridiculous tests on not one but three mainspace articles, one of which was an FA.  [[User:Praxidicae|Praxidicae]] ([[User talk:Praxidicae|talk]]) 14:11, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

== Shiotani ==

Hi there. By any chance, did you check my comment in the wikiproject? I wondered if that person from Production I.G might have his own article based on on his many works as seen in the links I sent there but I still got no response. Merry Christmas.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 23:23, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

== Season's Greetings! ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 2px 2px 0 2px; height: 1.5em;" | '''Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2020!'''
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[[User:TheJoebro64|<small style="color:red">JOE</small>]][[User talk:TheJoebro64|<small>BRO</small>]][[Special:Contributions/TheJoebro64|<span style="color:#D18719">64</span>]] 02:30, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

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== Unexplained reversion ==

Can you explain [[Special:Diff/932585000|this recent reversion]] of yours? It wasn't self-explanatory, as most reverted edits seemed constructive. [[User:Glades12|Glades12]] ([[User talk:Glades12|talk]]) 08:44, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Glades12}} Sure. I was reverting [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Raymondskie99|an LTA]] who likes to target character articles (and video game characters especially) with seeming good-faith edits. I have little/no objection to being reverted where you might like, but as the user in question is banned, that means you take responsibility for the edits if/where you do so. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 11:52, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
::That is helpful to indicate in the edit summary if you're also reverting edits by non-blocked users like me, who was notified about the action. [[User:Glades12|Glades12]] ([[User talk:Glades12|talk]]) 14:24, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

== Re display-authors ==

Re your removal of {{para|display-authors|4}} at [[WP:IPCC citation/AR5/test]].  First, even though the "test" was done a while back, I deem it important to retain the result as documentation of what that code produces, like a printer's "proof" page. Editing the result invalidates the test.

I had forgotten about this "display-authors > #authors" condition being reported as a "maintenance" issue. Perhaps it is time to reconsider that.  I doubt that leaving display-authors in hurts anything, but there can be a problem taking it out. The situation I am dealing with is setting up standard citations for editors not experienced in the arcane details of citations, where we want consistent display of up to four authors/editors across a large set of articles, and where (going from early drafts to finished/corrected versions) there may be changes in the number of authors/editors. If an author list is increased beyond the default of 3 it is yet another niggling, annoying detail to have to know (or to explain) about adding {{para|display-authors}}. If there is no harm leaving that parameter in, how about we not track that as a "maintenance" issue? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:J. Johnson|J. Johnson]] ([[User talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/J. Johnson|contribs]]) </small>
:{{ping|J. Johnson}} If you think there's value in not tracking it, [[Help talk:CS1]] is thataway. I would oppose not tracking it. In every case I have seen it is an error to use display-authors >= #authors. The author's intent, {{em|your intent}} (and every other person's use of the parameter), is obscured when the value is not a reasonable value. We have template documentation to explain how to use template parameters, and errors/maintenance messages to guide a user away from a certain use (though users cannot see maintenance messages by default). I do not know where you come up with this so-called default of three authors, but CS1/2 templates have no default display of authors (though it used to cut off at support for 9 authors, as you might remember).
:Another thing you can try, if you wish to retain a {{em|history}}, is {{para|template-doc-demo|true}}, which will disable the categorization on the page in question. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 23:12, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
::Right, the default of 3 is something else. But same point: I am trying to set up some consistent templates, and it is useful and simpler to set display-authors/editors even where it is not invoked. I see nothing unreasonable about declaring a limit even when the limit is not reached in some cases, so I question why that is even tested.
::{{para|template-doc-demo}} looked interesting (thanks for pointing it out), but not practical. I also saw your comment about it, so I think that is a dead issue. Taking a "bigger picture" view I think we could use some way of declaring when some code should be left unaltered. But not something I'm likely to get to. &diams;&nbsp;[[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson&nbsp;(JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 00:59, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|J. Johnson}} You might also consider a simple <code>&lt;!-- comment --></code> to remove the parameter. That is some wikitext that people should encounter elsewhere, and indicates your intent that the limit of authors you would prefer is 4, but for the module adding a maintenance message and category for it. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 01:23, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
::::That's an idea to consider. And could that also be the recommended maintenance response, instead of outright removal? &diams;&nbsp;[[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson&nbsp;(JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 23:25, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|J. Johnson}} My changes are a bit more nuanced in general than straight removal as sometimes I do go and hunt down the full citation's worth of material (all the authors, etc.) to see which of the replacements is warranted. In this case, the removal is the correct solution. However, I'll try to remember on pages you patrol that you prefer comments, though if you make yourself a template or do copy/pasting that you probably won't have an issue. I will not guarantee others will do the same and if you think maintenance of certain templates or otherwise should occur in that fashion, you should go to a community location for consensus. (I for one would oppose your request from the general perspective.) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 16:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Books ==

Since you participated in the discussion on Wikipedia Books I herewith inform you that a decision has been taken.

See [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_176#Suppress_rendering_of_Template:Wikipedia_books]]
[[User:Dirk Hünniger|Dirk Hünniger]] ([[User talk:Dirk Hünniger|talk]]) 20:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

== Happy New Year! ==

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<div class="center">{{resize|20px|'''Izno,'''<br>Have a great 2020 and thanks for your continued contributions to Wikipedia.}}</div></br>
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&nbsp;&nbsp; – <small>2020 is a [[leap year|<span style="color:white;"><u>leap year</u></span>]] – [https://www.khq.com/news/leap-year-in-lines-up-multiple-holidays-perfectly-on-weekend/article_5c36810e-2680-11ea-9da2-d722e0bc7c19.html <span style="color:white;"><u>news article</u></span>].</small><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; – <small>Background color is Classic Blue ([https://www.pantone.com/color-finder/19-4052-TCX <span style="color:white;"><u>#0F4C81</u></span>]), Pantone's [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pantone-color-of-the-year-2020-classic-blue-company-announces-color-of-the-year-today-2019-12-05/ <span style="color:white;"><u>2020 Color of the year</u></span>]</small>
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<div class="center">''{{resize|88%|Send New Year cheer by adding [[Template:Happy New Year 2020|<span style="color:white;"><u><nowiki>{{subst:Happy New Year 2020}}</nowiki></u></span>]] to user talk pages.}}''</div>
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– '''[[User:Utopes|Utopes]] ([[User talk:Utopes|talk]]) 04:34, 1 January 2020 (UTC)'''

== Administrators' newsletter – January 2020 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (December 2019).
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:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:PermanentLink/930187134#Resysop request (Deor)|Deor]] • [[Special:Permalink/931773776#Restoration of Bit (Spartaz)|Spartaz]] • [[Special:Permalink/932465825#Resysop request (Xeno)|Xeno]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:PermanentLink/929389571#Angusmclellan|Angusmclellan]] • [[Special:Permalink/931075117#Desysop request (clpo13)|clpo13]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/929444136#Edgar181 desysopped|Edgar181]] • [[Special:PermaLink/928686444#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#December_2019|Matthewedwards]] • [[Special:PermaLink/928686444#Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2019#December_2019|NCurse]]

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:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Bradv]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Casliber]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|DGG]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|David Fuchs]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Maxim]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Newyorkbrad]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|SoWhy]] • [[Special:Permalink/931656172#2020 Arbitration Committee|Xeno]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:Permalink/932196305#Changes to Oversight team|Someguy1221]]

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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
:* A [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Partial blocks|request for comment]] asks whether [[Wikipedia:Community health initiative on English Wikipedia/Partial blocks|partial blocks]] should be enabled on the English Wikipedia. If enabled, this functionality would allow administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces, rather than the entire site.
:*A [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Proposal:_Procedural_removal_of_admin_rights_who_have_not_used_the_admin_tools_for_a_significant_period_of_time_(maybe_5_years)|proposal]] asks whether admins who don't use their tools for a significant period of time (e.g. five years) should have the toolset procedurally removed.
:*Following a [[Special:Permalink/930227008#RfC on autopatrolling redirects|successful RfC]], a whitelist is now available for users whose [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Redirect autopatrol|redirects will be autopatrolled]] by a bot, removing them from the [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol|new pages patrol]] queue. Admins can add such users to [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist]] after a discussion following the guidelines at [[Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist]].

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
:* The [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4|fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles]] was [[Special:Permalink/931649192#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4 closed|closed]]. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being {{tq|the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted}} rather than {{tq|reasonably construed}}.
:* Following the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019#Results|2019 Arbitration Committee elections]], the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: {{noping|Beeblebrox}}, {{noping|Bradv}}, {{noping|Casliber}}, {{noping|David Fuchs}}, {{noping|DGG}}, {{noping|KrakatoaKatie}}, {{noping|Maxim}}, {{noping|Newyorkbrad}}, {{noping|SoWhy}}, {{noping|Worm That Turned}}, {{noping|Xeno}}.

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== Mass Effect character removal ==
Moved to [[Talk:List of Mass Effect characters#Missing characters]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 21:25, 14 January 2020 (UTC)