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==Recent [[Academy Award for Best Picture]] edits == 

By no means am I an expert on the subject, but I think some of those edits were questionable. To verify some of your edits, I went to the Academy website. For example, [http://www.oscars.org/awards/academyawards/legacy/ceremony/12th.html this page on the Oscars website lists both Selznick and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer as the producers]. You removed one of them which either means that you are confused, or you're purposely removing information from the page. I for one think its just a minor error, but I will keep looking into all the edits you did. If most of them are also erroneous, I will be rollbacking your massive number of edits. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><span style="color:#039;">'''''Feed'''''</span></big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><span style="color:#008000;">'''''back'''''</span></big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 15:35, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
:You also removed United Artists from Around the World in 80 days when the Academy also lists it as a production company. Listen, I don't think you're vandalizing, but I'm going to revert the edits. I know your edits were in good faith, but you're engaging in a weird version of accidental vandalism here. I'll be rollbacking these edits shortly. Please don't redo the changes. Find some sources for the ones you got right (if any) and then re-add them along with the sources. Per [[WP:PRIMARY]], the Academy website would do fine for such basic information. Thank you, <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><span style="color:#039;">'''''Feed'''''</span></big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><span style="color:#008000;">'''''back'''''</span></big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 15:41, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

::If you want to question individual changes then that's fine, but please don't just revert the whole lot based on guesswork. The changes I made were valid and accurate. The Academy website is a primary source for information on the Academy and the Oscars, but it's not the last word on the films themselves. The credit for MGM on ''Gone with the Wind'' is actually "in association with". I removed MGM as a production company, as this is in line with the other entries which list only the principal companies. [[User:Jay-W|Jay-W]] ([[User talk:Jay-W#top|talk]]) 15:55, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
::You're asking me to trust all 10 edits after finding out 3 of them were incorrect. Look, I can't sit here and evaluate them all day to make sure which ones are correct and which aren't. You should check them before you added them, and even then, you should have added [[WP:RS|rs's]] to back up your claims. I told you to please not revert the edits. For the record, the Academy has the final say on who is listed in the nominations. Most of the time, some producers aren't officially nominated.  As a show of [[WP:AGF|good faith]], I'm going to take 10 minutes to check their records and review your edits, but frankly, I feel like a sucker for doing this for you. If I find at least 3 more incorrect, I'm re-reverting it. You can't add a bunch of information and defend it by saying "not all of it is wrong". <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><span style="color:#039;">'''''Feed'''''</span></big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><span style="color:#008000;">'''''back'''''</span></big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 16:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Obviously the Academy has the final say on what the nominations are, but that's not what we're talking about. I looked at the Oscars website, and the reason you are confused is because it lists both production companies and distributors. The production companies come first, then after the semi-colon it lists the US distributor. [[User:Jay-W|Jay-W]] ([[User talk:Jay-W#top|talk]]) 16:10, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
::::Well, like I said, I'm not going to make believe I'm an expert on the subject, but some of your edits are just odd. For example, you added Dino De Laurentiis as a Production Company even though the man is most certainly not a company. As of right now, it's the only instance where you put a man in the "Company" section. What gives? The Academy website makes no mention of him anyway. Could you not provide reliable sources for this giant heap of information? Where are you getting it from anyway? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><span style="color:#039;">'''''Feed'''''</span></big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><span style="color:#008000;">'''''back'''''</span></big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 16:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::Are you looking at the 1960s Romeo and Juliet or the 1930s one? De laurentiis is a person obviously but it's also the name of his company. This company is the Italian one so it's Dino de Laurentiis Cinematografica. I just shortened it to save space. It is listed on the oscars site - [[http://awardsdatabase.oscars.org/ampas_awards/DisplayMain.jsp?curTime=1363656604695]]. [[User:Jay-W|Jay-W]] ([[User talk:Jay-W#top|talk]]) 16:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

== Cary Grant ==

A few years ago you participated in a discussion at [[Talk:Cary Grant]] about his citizenship. A recent RFC has begun on Cary Grants citizenship reference in the lead paragraph. Please feel free to add a comment at [[Talk:Cary Grant#RfC: Should the ambiguous hyphenated term, English-American, be used to describe the subject?]].--[[User:Jojhutton|<span style="color:#A81933;">JOJ</span>]] [[User talk:Jojhutton|<sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton</sup>]] 22:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

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== December 2013 ==

[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not add unreferenced or [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|poorly referenced]] information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|living persons]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-biog2 -->--[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 07:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

::[[User:John|John]], the material was not unreferenced or poorly referenced. You are taking that line about “tabloid journalism” out of context. The policy applies only to contentious material. The views of Gordon Brown and George Robertson on Scottish independence are well known and are a matter of public record, the material is not contentious.  And an article written by Gordon Brown himself is definitely a reliable source for his own views. You need to use some [[Wikipedia:WIARM#Use_common_sense|common sense]].The BLP policy doesn't justify you deleting information just because the source is a tabloid newspaper. If you think the article breaches the policy then you can raise the issue on the Talk page or on the BLP noticeboard. [[User:Jay-W|Jay-W]] ([[User talk:Jay-W#top|talk]]) 23:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please '''stop adding unreferenced or [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|poorly referenced]] biographical content, especially if controversial''', to articles or any other Wikipedia page. Content of this nature could be regarded as [[Wikipedia:Libel|defamatory]] and is in violation of [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|Wikipedia policy]]. If you continue, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia'''. <!-- Template:uw-biog3 --> --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 06:09, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

: Please don't threaten me and plaster my talk page with your stupid logos. I have already explained to you why the material is not in breach of the policy. But if you think there has been a breach of BLP policy then you can use the [[Wikipedia:BLPN|BLP noticeboard]] and  raise your concerns there. [[User:Jay-W|Jay-W]] ([[User talk:Jay-W#top|talk]]) 15:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

[[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=Stop icon]] This is your '''last warning'''. The next time you violate Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biographies of living persons]] policy by inserting [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|unsourced]] or [[Wikipedia:RS#Biographies_of_living_persons|poorly sourced]] [[Wikipedia:Libel|defamatory]] or otherwise controversial content into an article or any other Wikipedia page, you may be '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] without further notice'''. <!-- Template:uw-biog4 --> --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 17:33, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

::Enough of your nonsense. I have not violated the policy and you are a fool if you think I have. You are ignorant, aggressive, threatening and disruptive. You appear to think being an administrator is just a convenient way for you to win an argument by blocking anyone who disagrees with you. And you don't even understand Wikipedia's policies. You are clearly not a suitable person to be an administrator and you should resign your position immediately. [[User:Jay-W|Jay-W]] ([[User talk:Jay-W#top|talk]]) 16:21, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

You have been blocked for one week for repeated violations of [[WP:BLP]]. If you wish to appeal you should post <nowiki>{{unblock|your reason here}}</nowiki>, but you should read [[WP:GAB]] first. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 23:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

===Block review===
I am reviewing this block. Do I correctly understand that the only dispute here concerns the propriety of quoting from a column written by Gordon Brown himself and from an interview with George Robertson, attributing to each of them views that it is undisputed they hold? I will ask the blocking administrator to comment here. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 00:00, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
:Certainly. As you can see, the user has repeatedly, and following several warnings, added lengthy quotations attributed to prominent living people, using a Scottish tabloid and a blog as a source. Rather than try to find a better source, or discuss centrally, the user has insisted that they understand [[WP:BLPSOURCES]] better than I do. There is no support for using tabloids in this way. I'll be happy to unblock if they can demonstrate that they properly understand WP:BLPSOURCES. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 00:13, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
:And actually, on reviewing this matter myself, I see that I had [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Scottish_independence_referendum%2C_2014&diff=585424854&oldid=585423163 edited] the article in a non-admin capacity, technically putting me into the [[WP:INVOLVED|involved]] category. This I had forgotten before making the block. I will unblock you and defer to another admin's view on the matter. I see Brad is already reviewing this and perhaps he will have a view. I still very strongly maintain that restoring BLP material sourced only to tabloids or other weak sources is a blockworthy offence, but I see that I should not have made the block. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 00:31, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
:(edit conflict) I share your (John's) concern about the undesirable overuse of "tabloid" sources, particularly for BLP material. However, in the context of these specific edits, I also see Jay-W's point that the particular use he was making of the material might be considered unproblematic; it certainly is not the sort of gossip-mongering that is at the core of the concern about tabloid sourcing. There seems to be no dispute that Brown and Robertson have precisely the views on Scottish independence that the disputed edits attribute to them; and I certainly see no basis for disputing the attribution of views to Brown based on an ''article that he wrote''. Unless there is some aspect to this situation that I am missing entirely, I disagree with this block. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 00:32, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry for the EC there. I make no dispute about the views that the two prominent politicians hold, as I cannot read their minds. The obvious remedy for someone wishing to include this material in the article would be to find a better source, as policy requires. If none can be found, we cannot include it, as policy states. But I shall take this down a different administrative path than blocking. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 00:38, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Fair enough. If you raise this on a noticeboard, would you kindly link to that discussion here? Regards, 00:39, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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