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== [[Phil Collins]] page ==

We have a problem on this page with a user who is using multiple IP accounts and removing correctly sourced information. I think this has been brought to attention previously but no consensus was established on Talk Page that the persistent removal of sourced information was justified. I can keep reverting but it's getting boring now. Regards. [[User:Rodericksilly|Rodericksilly]] ([[User talk:Rodericksilly|talk]]) 19:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
:I see what you mean. I am not sure that frequency would justify semi-protection although obviously I can do that if it continues or gets worse. Please let me know if that happens. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:21, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
:: He's back again. [[User:Rodericksilly|Rodericksilly]] ([[User talk:Rodericksilly|talk]]) 14:09, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
:::I've semi-protected two weeks. At least that gives you some respite. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:04, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

== [[Calennig|Calennig Hapus]]!!! ==

[[File:Mari Lwyd NLW.jpg|thumb|upright|A traditional [[Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party|Welsh reveller]], with his hand-crafted [[Justin Timberlake|"Ceffyl Tymbo"]] which he carries from door to door... ]]
Please pick up that [[God's Great Banana Skin|Aldi banana]]...  and bust '''[[Moves like Jagger|all these moves]]''' at 12 O'clock!! ... just like [[Happy (Pharrell Williams song)|Pharrell]] ... one of the best pop tuuuuuuuuunez from Timbo in 2016: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru0K8uYEZWw ENJOY!!!]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:53, 31 December 2016 (UTC) <small>p.s. watch out for "John" lol</small>

== Happy New Year, John! ==
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== A small FAC favour ==

I know you have had a few worries about the prose standards of a few FAs recently, and I was looking for a small favour. [[Forensic chemistry]] has been at FAC ([[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Forensic chemistry/archive1|here]])  for a long time now, and has three supports, with everything else now checked off. I'm going to promote it tonight or tomorrow, and I just wondered if you could cast an eye over it from a prose viewpoint before I do. If not, no worries. Thanks,  [[User:Sarastro1|Sarastro1]] ([[User talk:Sarastro1|talk]]) 18:57, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:I'll try to take a look. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:22, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
::Also, if you get a chance, I'd appreciate a look at [[Jennifer Lawrence]] (FAC [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jennifer Lawrence/archive1|here]]). Cheers. [[User:Sarastro1|Sarastro1]] ([[User talk:Sarastro1|talk]]) 19:13, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Done! I warn you, I am very busy IRL for the next while, but I promise I will do my best. Thank you for asking me. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:10, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

== Request for Comments on use of certain files not copyrighted in the US ==

Hello,

There is '''[[Wikipedia talk:Copyrights#RfC: Hosting content from countries that do not have copyright relations with the U.S.|an ongoing discussion]]''' about the use of files on Wikipedia that are not protected by copyright in the US because there is no copyright relations between the US and the country of publication. You commented in [[Wikipedia talk:Copyrights/Archive 14#RfC: What to do with respect to the copyright of countries with which the US does not have copyright relations?|a 2012 discussion on the same topic]] that resulted in no consensus. You are invited to share your views in the ongoing discussion. [[User:AHeneen|AHeneen]] ([[User talk:AHeneen|talk]]) 21:09, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Keechaka Vadham/archive1]] ==
Hello, John, and Happy New Year to you. I plan to take this to FA. Do let me know if you wish to leave comments at the PR page by pinging me. Thanks. &nbsp;— [[User:Ssven2|<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;color:green">Ssven2</span>]] [[User talk:Ssven2#top|<sup><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;color:red">Looking at you, kid</span></sup>]] 07:44, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

== Happy New Year! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Wishing you and yours a Happy, Glorious, Prosperous New Year! God bless! &nbsp;— [[User:Ssven2|<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;color:green">Ssven2</span>]] [[User talk:Ssven2#top|<sup><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;color:red">Looking at you, kid</span></sup>]] 08:02, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
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:Thanks! [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 16:19, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

== On this day, 11 years ago... ==

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|style="text-align:left" width="100%"|Happy First Edit Day, <b> John, </b> from the [[Wikipedia:Birthday Committee|Wikipedia Birthday Committee]]! '''Have a great day!'''
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Warm regards, [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 06:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you! Never a dull moment since. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:16, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Veerapandiya Kattabomman (film)/archive1]] ==
Hello, John. I plan to take this to FA. Do let me know if you wish to leave comments at the PR page by pinging me. Thanks. &nbsp;— [[User:Ssven2|<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;color:green">Ssven2</span>]] [[User talk:Ssven2#top|<sup><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;color:red">Looking at you, kid</span></sup>]] 10:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

==Wiki-post-truthism==
{{archive top|Looks like this worked itself out in my absence. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)}}
Hi John
please see talk page of [[2016 United States election interference by Russia]]


(cur | prev) 22:12, 6 January 2017‎ Sarah777 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (320,368 bytes) (-58)‎ . . (c)


(cur | prev) 22:11, 6 January 2017‎ Sarah777 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (320,426 bytes) (+238)‎ . . (→‎"Russian trolls' support for Trump" Section Biased: c)




My comment on the '''talk page ''' regarding the obviously loaded title of an article about alleged Russian interference in the US election was deleted. 

But not only is there no reason given, there is no record of what I said or of who deleted it. Nada. How do I find out

(a) who deleted it
(b) on what authority? 

[[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 22:41, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

:Welcome indeed to post-truth Wikipedia, where the fact that Trump was due in court in December could be excised from Wikipedia in November for over 30 days, despite it being reported in multiple reliable sources, because someone objected and opened an RfC on the inclusion. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 22:56, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

:{{u|Sarah777}}, I see {{u|MelanieN}} is active on that page. She's a Trump supporter, I think, and an admin with revdel rights, who was using those rights the other night to remove references to the media stories about the "dossier" on what allegedly got up to in Russia, despite them being reported by many mainstream news outlets. She may be able to shed some light on disappearing edits? [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 23:00, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, [[User:Sarah777|Sarah]], and thanks for the ping, Bastun. Sarah, I do see a comment from you on that page, but it's not in the "Russian trolls' support for Trump" Section Biased paragraph - it's immediately below that one under a separate section heading, "Bizarre title". Is that the edit you were looking for? (For some reason your signature does not show the date you posted it; remember to use FOUR tildes, or to use the signature icon at the top of the edit window, so that the system will record the date as well as your signature.) --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 23:13, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:P.S. [[User:Bastun|Bastun]] re: "she is a Trump supporter, I think": I am an editor at many Trump articles, yes. I think my editing is sufficiently neutral that nobody knows who or what I support. 0;-D --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 23:17, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

::(after ec) There are a whole load of edits from 6th January that appear to have been excised - you can see who made the edit and to what section, but they're not present, nor are they accessible via page history. " think my editing is sufficiently neutral that nobody knows who or what I support. 0;-D"... er, yeah, sure... [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 23:19, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

*(e/c x 4) Sarah, your section is still there right now; look in the table of contents, "Bizarre title". Multiple versions of the talk page that day, including yours, were oversighted (nothing to do with your edit, someone added non-political info that needed oversighting, and the material wasn't removed until later in the day, so all intervening versions had to be oversighted). But that just deletes those specific versions, not the material anyone added that was still there after the oversightable material was removed.  The signature with no date is the same way you added it.  MelanieN, who is not an oversighter, had nothing to do with it; charming that someone jumps to that conclusion.  So no conspiracy, no censorship, no politically-motivated anything. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 23:20, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

:Thanks all. I am sorry I have been inactive; my Internet connection has been problematic. I expect to be back up and running by tonight or tomorrow at the latest. Sarah, I can see your contribution there so it was not removed. I am going to mark this as resolved. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
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:Thanks all - just couldn't figure out what happened or why! Just because I'm paranoid etc......[[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 21:36, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

== FAC ==

I was asked to ping people who kindly commented in [[Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125|the FAC]], - which includes you ;) - [[User:Gerda Arendt/Images#2017|Happy new year]]! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:58, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

:I'll come back for another look. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:09, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

:: Thank you! Scheduling is done for January, and it's meant for 2 February. Haven't been that close, if I don't count the nomination of Brianboulton's [[Lieutenant Kijé (Prokofiev)]], which was scheduled the following day. - Several supported now. The question where your second audio belongs is still open. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:13, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

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== Another little FAC favour ==

If you get a chance, could you have a look at [[Yesterday's Enterprise]] (FAC [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Yesterday's Enterprise/archive1|here]]). I think the prose needs a little work. I'm not sure it's quite your usual area though! As usual, no worries if not. [[User:Sarastro1|Sarastro1]] ([[User talk:Sarastro1|talk]]) 21:13, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

== Brunhilde Pomsel ==

For my own information, could you please give me the reason for reversing my recent mod. Thanks. [[User:TheTrolleyPole|TheTrolleyPole]] ([[User talk:TheTrolleyPole|talk]]) 21:38, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks TheTrolleyPole. You added a raft of quotations in a standalone section. They need to be summarised and integrated. I apologise for not messaging you when I removed it; I meant to and I got distracted. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:23, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

== Administrators' newsletter - February 2017 ==

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== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For your excellent work on [[Eurasian eagle-owl]]. [[User:Sario528|Sario528]] ([[User talk:Sario528|talk]]) 12:49, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
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:Thank you! --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:07, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

== A few requests ==

I'm not sure how busy you are at the moment, but if you are looking for articles to turn your talents towards, there are a few at FAC where I'd appreciate someone checking the prose. There is [[Nyuserre Ini]] ([[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Nyuserre Ini/archive1|FAC here]]), [[Ben Crosby]] ([[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ben Crosby/archive3|FAC here]]) and [[House of Music]] ([[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/House of Music/archive2|FAC here]]). None of them have anything glaring, but prose reviews are hard to come by, and if you find yourself with any time, your help on any of these would be appreciated as always. If not, no worries! [[User:Sarastro1|Sarastro1]] ([[User talk:Sarastro1|talk]]) 00:49, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
:Working my way through. My time on here is limited at the moment but I really appreciate the steer, and the compliment. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:24, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

==Things==
See Victoria's [[Prophets of Deceit]]. The content is there, but need polish. Your involvement, judgement and way with words would be very much appreciated. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 13:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, I will have a look. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 18:18, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

== Other things ==

Do you remember haing made audio samples for [[Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125|peace and joy]]? In the FAC, there are questions about them, - could you please take a look, because I don't even understand the questions, FUR, seems to have to do with licensing. - Happy Valentine's Day, flower on my talk! Of all New Year's cards, I kept yours ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
:I will look. Sorry for the trouble. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 08:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

== Other, less good things ==

Have you seen [[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#To the Daily Mail reporter outside my mum's flat just now...|this]]? I'm a bit shocked, to be honest. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:08, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
:Gosh. That's bloody awful. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 08:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
::On a tangential subject, I see we have over 1,800 BLPs citing the ''Daily Mail''. There has been a flurry of chat both on and off-wiki about getting rid of the ''Mail'' citations, but not much on-the-ground grass roots activity to do it properly. I've been replacing citations to the Mail (and the ''Sun'', and the ''Mirror'', and the ''Daily Star'', not so much the ''News of the World'' any more though...) for years; unfortunately many of the articles are the typical tabloid celebrity types like [[Lucy Mecklenburgh]] that I really can't motivate myself to go and research in serious encyclopedic detail, and I don't think I could make an AfD stick. Still, if all my fellow BLP watchers strive to clean up one article a day, we should be rid of the ''Mail'' in .... a couple of years. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
:::I am sure we could do it faster than that. We should. I'm on holiday right now but when I get back I intend to roll up my sleeves and get on with the work. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 17:53, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

== Galicia and Galicia ? ==

Hello John ! Perhaps you could help me a bit. In Spain, there is a province called Galicia. But in Poland and Ukraine there is also a province with that name, but I have seen it spelled as "Galizia" (or possibly "Galizien"). Anyways, do you think it would be wrong to spell [[Galicia (Eastern Europe)]] as [[Galizia]], in order to solve the confusion with [[Galicia (Spain)]]. As I see it, does this come down to the English language and (possibly ?) how well the [[Galicia (Eastern Europe)]] is known , in English. If you have any thoughts about this issue, that is. The eastern province was involved in the First World War Eastern Front (between the Russians and the Austro-Hungarians, I think) Cheers ! [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 19:01, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
:I think it is fine to leave them where they are. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
:: OK. Thanks. [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 23:24, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

== March Madness 2017 ==

G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/March Madness 2017|March Madness drive]]. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas: 

* tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
* updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
* creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement. 

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/March Madness 2017|here]] for those that are interested, and  members can sign up as participants at that page also.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now. 

For the Milhist co-ordinators. Regards, [[User:AustralianRupert|AustralianRupert]] ([[User talk:AustralianRupert|talk]]) & [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 07:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
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Thanks for doing all the work on the overlinking cleanup! 

[[User:Paige O. Rogers|<font color="#10aeeb">-A la</font><font color="#000000">d</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Paige O. Rogers|<font color="#ef0000">insane</font>]] [[User talk:Paige O. Rogers|<font color="#ff00f7"><small>(Channel 2)</small></font>]] 03:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
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:Thanks a lot. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 10:30, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

== lead ==

* You can edit now. I'll do my minor tidying up later.&nbsp; [[User:Lingzhi|Lingzhi]]&nbsp;&diams;&nbsp;[[User talk:Lingzhi|(talk)]] 23:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, but I need to sleep now. I have finished the first pass of copyediting. There may be one or two other things, and I still don't think we need the respell, but it is now approaching the point where I could support on prose. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:57, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::G'day John, I'd like to do some more editing. Are you done for now? I don't want to tread on your mighty tough toes. [[User:Sandbh|Sandbh]] ([[User talk:Sandbh|talk]]) 03:41, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:::I'm on UTC. I expect to be busy most of today. I won't be free to edit again until this evening. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:40, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I've resumed editing. Noting of any substance I'd expect; just fine tuning the prose. [[User:Sandbh|Sandbh]] ([[User talk:Sandbh|talk]]) 01:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

==However==
I posted a review to [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Acne vulgaris/archive2]] but need to be gone for a few days (unexpected family emergency) and won't be able to follow up. I made a suggestion to eliminate "however". You're better at explaining this than I am, and I can't right now. If you have the time. Just wanted to explain the ping. [[User:Victoriaearle|Victoriaearle]] ([[User talk:Victoriaearle|tk]]) 20:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, I saw the ping. Look after your emergency (which is by definition more important than Wikipedia) and good luck. I may comment there. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:25, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

== Perhaps for a Scotsman ? ==

Hello John ! In the article [[James Hepburn, 4th Earl of Bothwell]], and in its last part, "death" - has someone put a template, which states "repetitive repetition of redundancy". If I understand that correctly, can I not really agree. Not as the part is today at least. I myself as well as others have presumably & hopefully made some improvements. So if possible (only), do you think I can remove that template now ? (Just by the way, I don't recall the title, but I have watched the very good BBC-film about Mary, Queen of Scots and "Bothwell" as he was called in that TV-film. Perhaps 8-10 years ago). The template refers to his last years in Norway and Denmark, not just his death. So I have in mind to make new headlines in that part, if the template can be removed. [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 22:24, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
:I've fixed it up. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks John! Cheers ! [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 18:59, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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== [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Acne vulgaris/archive2]] ==
While I did not add additional comments since January 2017, I had been following the Acne FAC.  I think it could be a FA someday, but still needs significant work.  I am somewhat semi-retired from Wikipedia, so next time it goes up for a FAC, should you think of me,  please ''email'' me and I will post a review again.  (just fyi: I am putting a similar note on a few user pages) --[[User:My Core Competency is Competency|My Core Competency is Competency]] ([[User talk:My Core Competency is Competency|talk]]) 13:48, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, I will. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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== Alan Sugar ==

I accidentally your edits on [[Alan Sugar]] - I've got a problem with my touchscreen!  I've now reverted my revert - my apologies!  19:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DrStrauss|DrStrauss]] ([[User talk:DrStrauss#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DrStrauss|contribs]]) </small>
:No problem. Touchscreens are a nightmare. Thanks for the note. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

== Poll tax ==

Hello again John. What is your opinion on adding a hatnote to [[Community Charge]] at the [[Poll tax]] article? I was reverted in adding one, so I left a message [[Talk:Poll tax#Hatnote to Community Charge|here]].--[[User:Neve-selbert|Nev&eacute;]][[Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert|&ndash;]][[User talk:Neve-selbert|selbert]] 22:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
:It would be awfully nice of you to respond, {{u|John}}. I do hope we can move on from any disagreements we may have had, in this New Year. Thanks regardless.--[[User:Neve-selbert|Nev&eacute;]][[Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert|&ndash;]][[User talk:Neve-selbert|selbert]] 19:15, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
::Sorry. I have been busy in real life. I did look and I agree with the current compromise there, of adding a link to the lead. I'm not a great fan of hat-notes. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:24, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

== peace and joy ==

I pinged you to the [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125/archive1|FAC]]: with the problems the licensing of the audio files you kindly supplied seem to cause (and nothing I even understand): would you mind removing them? Perhaps take to the talk page for someone to help? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:30, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
:Not in the least. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:27, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


== Inappropriate thread ==

Hi John

Could you have a look at [[Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#Could_a_natural_breast_look_like_fake.3F|this thread]], and consider it for permanent deletion on the grounds of its offensive content?

thank you, [[User:Sandbh|Sandbh]] ([[User talk:Sandbh|talk]]) 05:10, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

:The thread is closed and hatted, and we are [[WP:NOTCENSORED|not censored]], so I decline to delete it. I have however warned both editors as I share your concerns about the appropriateness of the discussion. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 10:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

== DailyMail ==

Hi John, When removing DM sources you need to replace them with other sources,<br />
Someone was reported on ANI sometime last year for removing the DM and not replacing it with anything and I believe they were blocked for a few weeks however I could be wrong on that,<br />
Consensus was to remove the DM however there was no consensus to actually remove them but ofcourse if you want to start an RFC and get consensus I obviously have no objections,<br />
Thanks, –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 12:13, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
:Hi Davey. I think you're mistaken. WP:BLPSOURCES does not agree. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 12:17, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
::My apologies I thought you were removing the DM, To be honest some of the stuff you didnt need to remove like a housemate exiting etc etc however I'd rather not editwar over it so I've self reverted, Thanks. –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 12:33, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
::: No worries. Yes, the tabloid stuff is a mixture of the good the bad and the insupportable. Easier to just remove it and anything sourcable can be sourced later. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 12:39, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
:::: I think you mean "[[The Good, the Bad, and Huckleberry Hound|the good, the bad, the insupportable]] and [https://thedirty.com/politics/melania-trump/melania-trump-wins-defamation-lawsuit-daily-mail-will-pay-settlement-of-2-9-million/#post-2189978 the expensive]." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:35, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::Quite a story that, and good example of why we don't use them. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 18:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
::::::"What's that you say [[Sooty|Jimbo]]? We don't use [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/12/melania-trump-accepts-damages-and-apology-from-daily-mail Harbottle and Lewis]? Why ever not?" --yours, in the dock, [[Soo (puppet)|Sue, Grabbitt and Runne 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:59, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

== [[Scotland]] ==

Hi John

Any chance you could pop over to [[Scotland]] - suspect an edit war is about to start over the lead. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/81.154.211.5|81.154.211.5]] ([[User talk:81.154.211.5|talk]]) 18:25, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, I had a look. I see what you mean. Leave it with me. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:03, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

== Since Eric's cut back his time... ==

I turn to you, my other reliable Brit copy-editor. [[Reginald de Warenne]] is about ready for FAC but needs the usual polish and removal of Americanisms. Would you have time? [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:53, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
:Good to see you. Happy to take a look. Bit busy so it might be a day or two. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:49, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
:: Any progress? (looks hopeful). Take a gander at [[Jacob Gens]] also... it and [[George Wilkes]] are also in the FAC-prep queue. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 17:18, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
:::I had a wee look at the time. I'll look again, and at the other two. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 18:22, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

== Please cooperate ==

:This page contains plenty of idiotic ''sourced'' statements, including ''Lenin was agaiunst imperialism''. Instead to remove them you remove my text, making my work more difficult. You haven't even asked me to add the sources. Is it too dificault ask me?
:BTW - the Legacy contains only pro-Lenin informations. It's bias, POV.[[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 09:04, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for the message. Especially on a Featured Article, it is imperative that anything you add needs to be sourced properly, as a minimum. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:::You have removed sourced text. It's vandalism. 
:::Please demand sourcing of the existing page. 
:::Please cooperate to preserve the ''Featured''. It's biased.[[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 09:09, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::::Look, I get that English is not your first language, and I get that you wish to redress what you see as a bias in the article. You will not get that by adding poorly-written, poorly or completely unsourced garbage about statues being vandalised. You will not get it either by accusing me of vandalism. See [[WP:NOTVAND]] for why. A better strategy would be to raise your concerns at the article's talk page. You should be prepared to bring excellent sources (preferably English-language ones) and to discuss and compromise with others. Good luck. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:13, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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== Undue ? ==

Hello again, John ! I have recently noticed kind of duplicated articles within the scope of Swedish cities/towns and their municipalities, which I cannot find any parallels to in articles about towns/cities in other countries. (Alright I have not checked them all, but some) I think for instance that every information in [[Helsingborg Municipality]] could fit inside the [[Helsingborg]] article - the parts that are not already.  Also the included list of minor settlements, just under a headline "the Municipality". I believe it to be an "import" from Swedish Wikipedia, which possibly even may be undue here. (?) There might be exceptions where it's a good idea to distinguish a city from its municipality, or however things are organised in different countries. But generally as well as in the mentioned example... ?  I've brought it up at the talk-page of [[Helsingborg Municipality]]. I'm sorry if the issue appear dull, but I hope not. Perhaps more suitable for the Village-Pump ? But ''if'' you have an opinion about this, then I would be keen to hear it. Cheers ! [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 23:59, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


==Please unblock==
{{hat|Nothing good will come of continuing to discuss this here at this time. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:08, 7 May 2017 (UTC)}}
Hi, John. I think your block of [[User:EEng|EEng]] was based on a misunderstanding, as evidenced in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&diff=prev&oldid=779181699 this] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=779182699 this] comment. He didn't actually call anybody a disruptive prick in saying "Jrcla2 was offering a way to see what you're doing as the result of a cultural difference rather than you just being a disruptive prick, and you choose to turn it into 'racism'". Compare also [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]]'s comment [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEEng&type=revision&diff=779204539&oldid=779197376 here], which I agree with. Nor did EEng IMO harass the user, as your note in the block log states. Please unblock. Of course I realize you may not be online, sorry about that, but I don't want to leave him blocked much longer — I only just noticed the block, which you placed some hours ago — so unless you turn up and respond to me pretty soon, I'll unblock myself. Hope you don't mind. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 17:22, 7 May 2017 (UTC).
:Thanks for letting me know, [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]]. I did not misunderstand, I don't think, but if the consensus is that it was ok for EEng to use this word in these circumstances, I am fine with them being unblocked. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 18:41, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not now sure, looking at stuff like [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=779228760&oldid=779228079 this], that unblocking was the best move. I think the user [[WP:POINT|knew very well]] how the comment would be perceived, and is now having the time of his life thinking he has been vindicated. Thought experiment for today; how would it play out if an editor ''at AN/I'' was to comment on the behaviour of an editor identifying as female by "hypothetically" calling them a [[cunt]]? Seems pretty much the equivalent to me. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:28, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::I don't think Bishonen is the admin you should be debating this with, especially given recent punitive blocks and their results.  Just let it go John, there are some who are golden, and there are some who are not.  EEng is one of those, like Floq, who is inherently entitled to be riled up and fire off a "fuck off" or "prick" or "asshole" or "cunt", or be "contextually rude".  Others, like 99.95% of editors are not.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:43, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::Following up your point about a female editor "hypothetically" being called a "cunt", is it any better for an admin to "hypothetically" call an editor a "prick"?  Or are we just assuming double standards because "men get over it, just banter, right?" [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:48, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::That would be a conclusion that one might make from reading how the discussion was going last time I looked. It is one I disagree with. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:02, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::: (watching:) How about just calling nobody anything and focus on articles and [[Meine Seel erhebt den Herren, BWV 10|their reviews]]? I decorated my talk with coffee today, on top of a woman singer and my latest GA. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:18, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::That's good advice, Gerda. Is that another of your fantastic articles I need to read and review? You are an example to us all. I have some article improvement work to do but it is getting late now for tonight. It will have to be tomorrow. Take care. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::: That one was a review TRM put on hold. If you want to review one, you know [[Wikipedia talk:QAI|where to find it]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:26, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::: ps: I try to avoid the EEng talk, takes too long to load, so missed that whole thing. I got him to work on [[User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 53#DYK credit|Ritchie]]'s, picturing me as TRM groupie on my request ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:31, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::{{U|Gerda Arendt}} I apologise for the delay in returning to your GAN, I will do so forthwith.  John, I'm sorry you've been placed in such a position by reacting (correctly) to abuse of others from a long-term user.  Sadly it seems it is now accepted by some admins.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:35, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::I'm glad if that construction of the situation helps you two sleep at night. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 21:04, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::EEng, you're probably better off doing something other than making utterly stupid comments here.  Go away and do something to improve Wikipedia.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:09, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I was just taking a break. Beyond that I refer the gallant and honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago. Always a pleasure. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 21:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Carry on, it won't be long before your extended break isn't of your own choice.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:41, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::You've been saying that for [[Time dilation|an awfully long time]]. Beyond that I refer the gallant and honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 21:55, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::No, but it's interesting to see your on that staircase now.  I don't care at all what you have to say or what you do, I know that you think you're incredibly funny and that you believe your humour benefits Wikipedia, which isn't true.  You're on the path now, see you soon.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 22:01, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Do you get some sort of kick out of causing disruption by using gendered obscenities, EEng? If not, why don't you go and learn from your lucky escape instead of joking about it like it was some sort of badge of pride? Also, do you stand by your comment I highlighted in the diff above? If you do, I agree with  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] that you may quickly work up to another block. If you don't, you should reflect on what a fool you've made of yourself and the degree of disruption you have caused with your unsolicited intervention at AN/I; two blocks and one unblock, so far. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::: TRM, thank for completing the review, made my day. No more excuses to take it to FAC after expanding ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:18, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::: Indeed Gerda, glad to be of service in the short term! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:21, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::And thanks for reminding me, both of you, that among the trolls and attention seekers on this site there are decent people trying to improve articles. Well done. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
{{hab}}

== Sorry.... ==

For continuing to add to [[Jacob Gens]] ... I know I'm being a pain, but I keep finding sources - it's like a scavenger hunt to find these sources - one leads to another which leads to another... at this rate I'll end up working on [[Vilna Ghetto]] also just because I have the sources... [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:It's a labour of love when you reach that point of no return on an article. I'll be happy to look at both articles again, or any that you write in the future. Keep up your good work. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:09, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

== Incomplete edit history at article Brexit ==

I was the User who first created our [[Brexit]] article, I believe in late 2012. However, when I look at the article history my original stub article, plus subsequent users' contributions, are entirely absent. The first recorded edit is in 2014!
I have never seen this before in an article I have initiated. Can you see why this might be, and if it is possible to recover the early edit history of the Brexit article? Ta. [[User:Mais oui!|Mais oui!]] ([[User talk:Mais oui!|talk]]) 19:07, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
:I only see a redirect there in the early history, no content that is worth restoring. Could those early edits have gone to the history of another page during a page move? It's certainly been moved about a bit and that can happen. I will continue to look. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:12, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
::Think they are at [[United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016]] &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:28, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks, we're talking about [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum,_2016&oldid=524635428 this revision] I think? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:17, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes! That's it. Great. Many thanks for finding it. But if memory serves me correctly that early stub version was created under the page name [[Brexit]], and nothing else. Is it not therefore logical that the edit history be recorded under the correct page name? [[User:Mais oui!|Mais oui!]] ([[User talk:Mais oui!|talk]]) 10:59, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== A bit of confusion by a newcomer ==

On the article of [[William Henry Bury]] that was featured this month, I thought that links needed to be added to identify [[Scotland]] which you later removed. Perhaps it was confusion on my part, but I'm new here, so do you know what the policy is on links? I thought I'd just drop in and ask because frankly I'm a bit confused. [[User:highresheadphones|highresheadphones]] ([[User talk:highresheadphones|talk]]) 01:04, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
:[[WP:OVERLINK]].--[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 06:05, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
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== Okay.... ==

I think I'm done. Ready for you to rip [[Jacob Gens]] apart. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 15:05, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
:Will look tonight or tomorrow. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
:It's looking good. I think I am done for now. Have some comments; want them in article talk? Or if you're going to FAC we can do it there. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:04, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
:: go ahead on article talk, might as well do them with no pressure. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 22:06, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Ok, tonight my time. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 10:29, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

== Great Britain ==

After seeing [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=June_2017_London_attack&diff=784240160&oldid=784240116 this] removal of the link, are you sure that many of the readers will understand the difference between GB and UK (let alone any other possible permutations)? I know you are right to remove the link in the light of the [[WP:OVERLINK]] guidelines, but I think it's a beneficial link this time, given the number of people who will simply think it an alternative name for GB. Either way, I will leave it to your discretion to decide whether to re-add it or not. - [[User:Sigersson|Sigersson]] ([[User talk:Sigersson|talk]]) 06:49, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
: I see your point. I do not feel strongly about it either. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:08, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

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== Octopus ==

Hello. Is your review almost finished? [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 23:48, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
:Yes. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:18, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

== [[Croesyceiliog School]] ==

Hi John. I wonder would you have a look at the recent series of IP edits at [[Croesyceiliog School]]. I have attempted to engage this editor, both at the article Talk Page and at their own user Talk Page, but without any success. I am unsure as to the most appropriate next step.  Many thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:45, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
:I've spoken to them. In fairness the material isn't referenced so could be removable under BLP. But they have to make that argument, even in an edit summary, otherwise it looks like vandalism. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:20, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
::In no uncertain terms it, seems. But yes, I'll have a look for sources.  Where there's also a  [[:Category:People educated at Croesyceiliog School|separate Category]]  linked it's sometimes difficult to know who are the most notable of the notables. Especially when the list is just a copy of the four items in the Category! Thanks anyway. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
:::... and now another [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:2A02:C7D:B603:5100:9CBD:949:D143:CDEC#June_2017 IP-hopping sock]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:54, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
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== You may be interested in... ==

Since I don't know if you follow this wikiproject. [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Removal of flags and insignias from multiple info boxes]] [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 22:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks! --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:16, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::Arrggh no, not more [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKCeESg9Ev8 flag controversy]?! ... "But even though the flag is gone the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmG4GUjesig Bill of Rights] remains"!! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::: LOL..[[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 22:58, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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== Nixon ==

No offense, of course. I just don't think you're right on this one. All the best,--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 11:19, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
:None taken though obviously I think you're wrong too. We should actively seek a third opinion if nobody else comes along at talk. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 14:46, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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== PR ==

Hello, John. I hope all's well with you. Your copyedits and contributions to the [[Jennifer Lawrence]] article proved helpful in the past. I was wondering if you could look in at [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Lady Gaga/archive5]] and post some comments. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 10:02, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for asking. I will be happy to look.[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:16, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

== Back, and with a new PR ==

Hi John, I hope all is well with you. After something of a break, I have recently been working on the militant suffragette [[Emily Davison]]—she of the 1913 [[Epsom Derby]] fame; the article is now [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Emily Davison/archive1|at PR]]. Should you have the time and inclination, I would be absolutely delighted to hear any thoughts and comments you may have about its suitability for a push to FAC. Obviously there is no problem if you are otherwise engaged or don't find the subject of interest. Cheers – [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 06:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:Happy to have a look. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 08:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:Obsession with "although"? Only a minor one and I'm going through counselling,.. ;-) - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 15:27, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
::It's funny what a second pair of eyes picks up, isn't it? It's a pretty good article and I expect it will cruise through FAC. Glad to see no "however"s though! --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
:::And "later"s too, by the looks of things! I know that's a turn of speech that fails logic: of ''course'' she reported something "later" than the event. I will try and seed a couple of "however"s in any additions, just to give you practice ;-) Cheers for your eagle eye on this - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 22:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
::::It's looking great. Thanks for your hard work.[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 17:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks for all your earlier advises ! ==

Hello John ! I want to express my sincere thanks for ''all'' the advises you have given me earlier. I must consider myself as grown up by now, or "teenager" at the very least :), at age 52. Also your advises when my dad passed away, am I extremely grateful for. Not even in the "real world", have someone else given me much of advises at all. It's still sad, but life must go on. Thanks John ! [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 21:32, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
:Good to hear from you Boeing720. We never finish growing up. Keep on hanging in there. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:26, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks - and I will ! [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 16:56, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== So...  ==

[[Jacob Gens]] just passed FAC. Now... to decide which one of the three possibles goes up next. Do you have a preference? (And, I'm begging for copyediting here too...) [[Reginald de Warenne]] (royal official for Henry II), [[Peter de Maulay]] (royal official for John and another of John's "evil councillors"), or [[George Wilkes]] (American yellow journalist)? [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:46, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
:That's great news. It's well deserved, congratulations! Let me have a look and think about this. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:12, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your help with [[Jacob Gens]], your copyediting help is very much appreciated. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:47, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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:That's extremely generous of you for the tiny amount of work I did there. Thanks, your recognition is much appreciated. I always enjoy working on your articles. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:13, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

==Hi John==

Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections#Wikipedia_promoting_.22fake_news.22
This is a good opportunity for you to support my completely unarguable position... [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 17:36, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks [[User:Sarah777|Sarah]] for asking me. Speaking as your mentor (if I may still claim that honour afer all these years) I recommend you withdraw from that discussion, having made your point. I will make another more precise recommendation towards addressing your point there withn 24 hours. Best wishes, --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:17, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
:I'm very sorry [[User:Sarah777|Sarah]] for missing my deadline. I'm on holiday and have sporadic access. Leave it with me. I promise I haven't forgotten. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:01, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

::Aware as I am of Wiki Admin political bias and their propensity to censorship (usually by abusive misuse of WP:CIVIL) I've now taken the issue to my own talk page. [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 22:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

:::btw...I must say even the most imaginative Wiki-censor could hardly claim this is a "Troubles" related topic! [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 23:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

::::OK. I've seen your contribution to the talk page of the article with the biased title...not impressed, frankly. Essentially what you are saying is the Wiki is mod mob rule..where rules don't count, except that they privilege mob rule over rational argument or even "laws" such as WP:NPOV.
:::: The irony in this case is that anti-Trump "liberals" in the MSM are currently getting a bit hysterical about "populist" politicians and positions! 
:::: Kinda reinforces my observation that ''hypocrisy'' really is the only core value of Western establishment "liberals". I say this speaking a a '''real''' liberal. [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 23:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

:::::Lest their be any mistake - personally - I regard Trump as a misogynistic clown....but I'd regard the PNAC Establishment (who embrace the freedom sheikhs of Saudi as "our" indispensable allies) as an existential threat to the future freedom of 99% of humanity. And I believe the average US self-imagined "liberal" is part of the problem...[[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 23:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
*I'm sorry you are not happy Sarah. Wikipedia can be a bad place for those of with a political conscience. Let me know if there is anything else I can do for you. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:51, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

==Disney train articles==
Thank you for your recent copyedits to the [[Disneyland Railroad]] article. At some point in the future, consider looking over the [[Walt Disney World Railroad]] article, also. It's the sister attraction of the Disneyland Railroad and its article got upgraded to featured status just yesterday. '''[[User:Jackdude101|<font color="black">Jackdude</font><font color="blue">101</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Jackdude101|<font color="darkblue">Talk</font>]])</span> 16:51, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
:I took a corresponding look at this article and made several of the same copyedits a second time. Thanks for the heads-up. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 18:55, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

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== If you get a moment... ==

[[Underwater diving]] is pretty close to promotion at FAC, and just awaiting a source review ([[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Underwater diving/archive1|FAC here]]). It's quite a technical article, and as you are always good with prose on these, I wondered if you might get a chance to have a look? If not, no problems. [[User:Sarastro1|Sarastro1]] ([[User talk:Sarastro1|talk]]) 09:45, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, I noticed that it was up there and it does interest me. I will take a look in the next 24 hours. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:20, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

==ANI==
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== Surviving trying times... ==


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If after relentless challenges by editors who just don't get it, you manage<br>
to keep all or at least a portion of whatever hair you have left despite the frustration,<br> 
you deserve recognition. Your hair must be as thick as the skin on the opposition, which means<br> 
you have really strong hair follicles. Next time it happens - and it will happen as long as you're<br>
an admin - just keep doing what you do, relax, enjoy a cold 🍺 or 🍷, <s>cut</s> eat some cheese<br>
or have a bar of 🍫 - or hell, go to the bar - and buy stock in Rogaine.<br/> 
{{P|grin}} <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 19:01, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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:Thank you, [[User:Atsme|Atsme]], I appreciate that. Reminds me of Frank Zappa's quote about hydrogen not being the commonest thing in the universe sometimes. Never mind, I'm sure it will all come right in the end. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:07, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
::What was commonest? Edits moving articles in and out of categories and adjusting wikiproject importance ratings? '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 19:13, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Sadly Zappa died before Wikipedia was born so it wasn't that. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:15, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
[[File:NaF.gif|thumb|right|upright=1.2|Why don't you join us, Mr. Bond? {{right|<small>-'''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]'''</small>}} ]]
::::Two chemists go into a bar. The first one says "I think I'll have an H2O." The second one says "I think I'll have an H2O too" — and he died. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 19:47, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::I'll have an [https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ab/c1/ea/abc1eaedad84236c69b806de16c0736e--tulle-tutu-tule.jpg H2O too too]. And here's another [http://www.sundance.tv/photos/iconoclasts-season-4-richard-branson-and-desmond-tutu another H2O too too] <s>too</s> as well. Hey, wanna hear a potassium joke? '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 20:01, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
:K. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:09, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
::Maybe I should tell a sodium joke instead. But on second thought... Na. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 20:17, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Argon walks into a bar. Bar man says, "We don't serve noble gases." Argon doesn't react. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:55, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
::::This is beginning to get boron. I'm going to ask a judge for a cesium desist order. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 20:56, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::[[Caesium]] if you please old chap. As you [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Assassination_of_Abraham_Lincoln&diff=prev&oldid=797274093 pointed out], I'm from the UK. And there is [[WP:ALUM]] to consider. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:12, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::I have come here to bury Caesium, not to praseodymium. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 23:29, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
::John, don't trust atom jokes...they make up everything and are not atomtonically correct. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:01, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Atsme, when my wealthy old aunt passed away I got all her antimony. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:03, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Hmmmm...I told a chemistry joke...there was no reaction. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:09, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, went over like a lead balloon. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 21:10, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::[[File:MangoAlphonso04_Asit.jpg|thumb|left|320px]] I have never been fond of these. They got a funny metallic taste. It must be the mangonese. [[User:Irondome|Irondome]] ([[User talk:Irondome|talk]]) 21:23, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::Irondome, it takes a lot of gallium to make that joke with a name like yours. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 21:32, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
{{clear}}
*Oh my, EEng! That's like throwing sodium chloride at me! That's a salt!! <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:27, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
::Speaking of battery, have you had your lithium? '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 21:32, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Of course...I get a charge out of you! <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:47, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Thank you, [[User:Atsme]], [[User:EEng]], [[User:Irondome]] and [[User:Martinevans123]] for the chemistry jokes. I will get mileage out of some of them. The argon one was my favourite. Although the ionic bond one was pretty good too. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:13, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
==question==
Hi John, I can use some help regarding this guy and his problems here:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th-century_Western_painting#Contemporary_painting_into_the_21st_century] re here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=20th-century_Western_painting&diff=797830602&oldid=797828733], please keep an eye on it. Thanks, [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 13:21, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
:What's wrong with {{tq|There is an anything goes attitude that prevails; an "everything going on", and consequently "nothing going on" syndrome; this creates an aesthetic traffic jam with no firm and clear direction and with every lane on the artistic superhighway filled to capacity}}? Makes perfect sense to me. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 13:27, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you. I'll have a proper look this evening. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 16:17, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
:::[[User:Modernist|Modernist]], I took a look at it. I think you and [[User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|Hullaballoo Wolfowitz]] need to sort that one out in talk. I can see both points of view. Modernist, to write stuff like that it would certainly have to be referenced. Where does it come from? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::I've tried to sort things out on talk pages with Modernist for years (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_20th-century_women_artists#Imagery] for an example), but he consistently makes phony accusations of vandalism and asserts his own long-rejected opinions about nonfree content policy. His goal is to drive off those who disagree with him by turning every dispute into a timesink unless he gets his own way. Also note, that although he paints this as another example of The Big Bad Wolfowitz on a jihad, the image removals here were initiated by another editor and reversed by Modernist with misleading or empty edit summaries -- hardly the behavior of an editor interested in good faith discussion. [[User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo).  Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.  ]] ([[User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|talk]]) 12:45, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::Thanks John,I've referenced that section, he always objects to the use of contemporary art imagery, no matter that the images are relevant, important and are accompanied by Fair Use Rationales which are required by the foundation. The Foundation made exception a long time ago to accomadate images of contemporary art. I used to have these conversations with Tyrenius who I still wish was around...[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 21:40, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::Me too. Good sources and discussions are always the way forward. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:45, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
::::I'm especially looking forward to the sources on the [https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/93845-he-flung-himself-from-the-room-flung-himself-upon-his traffic jam on the superhighway running madly off in all directions]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 21:33, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::Art criticism doe sound ridiculous sometimes. Modernist is a highly respected editor; we worked together to get the [[Vincent van Gogh]] to FA. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:45, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, often it doe. '''[[User:EEng#s|<span style="color:red;">E</span>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<span style="color:blue;">Eng</span>]]''' 21:58, 29 August 2017 (UTC) <small>I really tried to come up with an image for "Art criticism doe", but it was a nut too tough to crack.</small>
::::::Mah faver-rite image in that thar article is the painting of the [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OKSmj2g8shs Country Corn Flakes couple]. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:50, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Character tables ==

Hi there, I have a question in regards to table formatting, over on the [[Gilmore Girls]] page, a user claims that character descriptions are meant to be present in the table on the main page, yet I find it completely redundant as each main character already has a biography on separate pages, and on other character tables, there are no descriptions since it's just unneeded in most cases. Also, I claim that characters should be ordered by appearances, rather than their status', would you agree or are they in the complete right? I can't find any rulings this other user is claiming, yet I want to avoid getting into an edit war. Any help would be appreciated, thank you! [[User:MSMRHurricane|MSMRHurricane]] ([[User talk:MSMRHurricane|talk]]) 23:21, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
:Happy to take a look. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:27, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
:[[User:MSMRHurricane|MSMRHurricane]], if you start a discussion at [[Talk:Gilmore Girls]] and ping me, I will gladly join in. That article talk page hasn't been edited for months ad it should be your first port of call in a dispute. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:29, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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== Miriam Makeba ==

Thanks for copyediting the article. Since you've read through it, I wonder if you wish to leave comments at the [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Miriam Makeba/archive1|FAC]]? Regards, [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 04:45, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for asking. I'll be happy to take a look. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:10, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
::Cheers. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 09:12, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jessica Chastain/archive2|Chastain FAC]] ==

Hey, just a gentle reminder to return to the Chastain FAC. Cheers! [[User:Krimuk2.0|Krimuk2.0]] ([[User talk:Krimuk2.0|talk]]) 07:31, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, I will. Give me 24 hours. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:15, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

== Character Tables ==

Hi there, in regards to recurring, guest, special guest status', in character tables, we label character who have been in 3+ episodes as recurring regardless of their title credit, correct? I mean, I know this, but I am looking for further validation as some editors think differently, and base it purely on rank (special guest > recurring) yet that's not the case, as that's false information in regards to that characters appearances in that particular season. So, on the [[List of American Horror Story cast members|American Horror Story character table]], editors are placing character in wrongful sections, just because they were credited as "special guest" yet they appeared in 3+ episodes, therefore they should be in the recurring section, not the special guest section. That's how I, and a lot of other editors, have been displaying these tables. Please let me know what you think, cheers! [[User:MSMRHurricane|MSMRHurricane]] ([[User talk:MSMRHurricane|talk]]) 20:54, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry, as this stands I don't think I have an opinion. Can you explain what the problem is, and link me to a talk page where you are discussing it? If so I may weigh in. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:57, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
::I've just messaged the editor and gave him my opinion, so I will wait to see if he is willing to compromise or not, and then involve other editors. But if you would take a look at the cast table, the set-up is fine, seeing as AHS is a anthology-type show, it works. So the sections are main cast, recurring cast and guest (was simply special guest before), and I had moved a few characters from the guest section into the recurring section, as some of their first appearances on the show have been multiple episodes (3+ episodes), therefore they should be in the recurring section, and not in the guest section. And then they might appear in another season later on, with only 1 or 2 episodes and they were titled as special guest in the episode, and with that some editors have moved those characters back to the guest section as they believe the only thing that matters is that that character was credited as a special guest. But, in my opinion, it's false information as that character was recurring in earlier seasons, and there should not be this "rank system", etc. Hopefully that makes sense to you. I just believe, regardless of being credits as guest or special guest, if that character was recurring, they should be in the right section, or then whats the point of having the sections to begin with? [[User:MSMRHurricane|MSMRHurricane]] ([[User talk:MSMRHurricane|talk]]) 03:07, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

== BLP Sources ==

I'm still gradually going through and removing citations to ''The Sun'' and the ''Daily Mail'', but I think I just [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rebecca_Loos&diff=prev&oldid=801557689 hit a new low] :-/ [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 11:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
:That's spectacular. How do you find your targets? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 12:46, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
::I've got links on my userpage going to custom searches - in this case it's simply <code>thesun.co.uk incategory:"Living people"</code>. Then I look at which are the most "gossipy" of the search results, and go off that. In this case, a [https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/oct/06/realitytv.broadcasting more respectable source] gives a better context than a tabloid one that gives off suggestions of bestiality. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 13:16, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Ah, did someone mention the joys of [[Golden Balls (film)|contemporary Spanish cinema]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:39, 20 September 2017 (UTC) <small>Threesie, I can see you’re at a bit of a [[Loose Ends (Jimi Hendrix album)|loos end]]. </small>
:::Thank you Ritchie, that's really useful. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 18:54, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

:Further to my comments in [[Talk:Jane Bonham Carter, Baroness Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury#Tabloid sources]], I also want to question your edit to [[Rebecca Loos]] that you mention above. You have identified an more reliable source for the material but you have failed to add it to the article and have removed the content, removing the context from the following sentence. I propose to restore the content, citing The Guardian. I would avoid the word 'masturbation', in spite of its use in The Guardian article, because the implication that the act was performed for sexual pleasure is not supported by The Guardian. [[User:Verbcatcher|Verbcatcher]] ([[User talk:Verbcatcher|talk]]) 23:30, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
::I reckon you're talking to {{u|Ritchie333}}? It's absolutely fine to restore material to articles if you find proper sources, and have a talk-page consensus that it passes [[WP:WEIGHT]]. This is maybe one for article talk. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:34, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

:::Yes, the better source was identified by {{u|Ritchie333}}, sorry. <s>However, your edit did remove the context from the next sentence, making it unclear what the RSPCA and PETA were objecting to. When removing a sentence please read the surrounding text and ensure that it makes sense after your edit.</s> [[User:Verbcatcher|Verbcatcher]] ([[User talk:Verbcatcher|talk]]) 01:28, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
:::My comments about the edit were also misdirected, I apologise. [[User:Verbcatcher|Verbcatcher]] ([[User talk:Verbcatcher|talk]]) 01:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sinitta&diff=802208141&oldid=802207974 This one] was pretty terrible too. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:59, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
:Bloody hell. Keep up the good work. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 18:10, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
::I miss the [https://leftfootforward.org/images/2017/03/pjimage-66.jpg good old days]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:24, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

==Forth Road Bridge==
[[Forth Road Bridge]], an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Forth Road Bridge/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 16:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
:Just delist it. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 18:54, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

== Re: Profanity and Conflict Escalation ==

When you stated, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Profanity_and_Conflict_Escalation “A momentary and understandable lapse of decorum from one of our finest admins on being trolled and called a vandal. Troll blocked indef now, sure Drmies has no intention of doing it again. I don't think there is anything here to discuss.”] it comes off to me as being an apologist for some bad behavior. If this person is a “fine admin” then why is an incident of a small—really small when you think of it—edit war enough for them to curse someone out ''waaaay after'' the incident had passed. The admin in question could have left well enough alone but they didn’t. This admin also complained to me about be “harassed by trolls” but from what I am seeing, they are assuming bad faith—the opposite of [[Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith|what Wikipedia is about]]—on edits, immediately become defensive and prickly at any basic queries and just… Snap like that. I’m sorry, but there is something amiss with a long term editor being apologized for when being so “thin skinned” in what should be routine and basic interactions. --[[User:SpyMagician|SpyMagician]] ([[User talk:SpyMagician|talk]]) 23:06, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
:I am sorry you feel that way. I can't but agree with {{u|GreenMeansGo}}'s [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=801639265&oldid=801637075 close]. I suggest you ruminate on that wisdom. To err is human, and to forgive benefits the forgiver. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:19, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
::[[User:SpyMagician|SpyMagician]], if you hang out a lot, and you pay close attention, you'll find editors going through all sorts of things: divorces, natural disasters, family deaths, the kinds of things that people go through because they're people, because we're not just editors; we're also arguably people most of the time. Everything is a means to an end and that end is building an encyclopedia. We're not here to bend the arc of the moral universe more closely to justice; we're here to make more knowledge more free to more people. If anything gets in the way of that [[WP:IAR|then ignore it]]. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]]  23:48, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
:: {{ping|GreenMeansGo}} {{ping|John}} Fair enough on all counts and respect all around. --[[User:SpyMagician|SpyMagician]] ([[User talk:SpyMagician|talk]]) 01:16, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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==Tnx John==

I'm almost inspired to get back on the saddle....almost! [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 20:57, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:I [https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Sarah777&project=en.wikipedia.org see what you mean]; like mine, your editing ebbs and flows. Contribute what you can, when you can. Your contributions are valued. I see you started not long after me; do you find, like me, that for all its problems, you still deeply believe in the idea of jointly building a free encyclopedia after all these years? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:12, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
::<small>To be fair, in Sarah's case [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ASarah777 the ebb and flow of activity wasn't entirely through choice].&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 21:17, 22 September 2017 (UTC)</small>
:::Hi Iridescent. That's a wee bit unfair; Sarah's last block was six years ago and her last unblock by {{u|HJ Mitchell}} was [[User_talk:Sarah777/Archive_32#Suggestion_from_John|mediated by me]], as we both remember well. She's been a model citizen for a good while, but like me she has bursts of activity. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:22, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

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== Spacecowboy420 ==

Hi. Would you mind looking a bit into the article [[Racism in South Korea]]? For a long time, this article has a lot of problems due to faked citations by two users, one of them Spacecowboy420. In the end, the article was nuked and rewritten as stub with scientific sources ([[Talk:Racism_in_South_Korea#Problems_with_citations|see talk page from here]]). Now, the users set their hands again on this article, adding a trivial case from an unreliable source. Moreover, the source doesn't even incorporate what the users claim in the wikipedia article. Spacecowboy reverted already four times. Unfortunately, I have no more time for the English wikipedia to look into this more. But see also [[Talk:Racism_in_South_Korea#Korea_Expos.C3.A9_at_RSN]]. Regards --[[User:Christian140|Christian140]] ([[User talk:Christian140|talk]]) 19:50, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
:I have encouraged that editor to join the discussion you have pointed to. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:19, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

== Just curious ==

Hi John. If if it does not constitute any breach of policy, I would like to know more about the nature of [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JoetheMoe25&diff=802511289&oldid=802510856 this block]. I keep track of POV Angola editors and sometimes they vanish when they sense that someone is on to them and resurface with a different style (they abandon ''some'' of the articles they used to edit, take on new ones to throw you off strack). I had my first encounter with this JoetheMoe25 guy today and left him two messages. As an aside, one of the guys that I cannot find under a new identity is [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=XavierD75 this guy], who disappeared in July. I have a number of possible reincarnations, but need some time to study the edits. Thanks, regards, [[User:Rui Gabriel Correia|Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia]] ([[User talk:Rui Gabriel Correia|talk]]) 20:43, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:I was about to warn this user under BLP Arbcom that reverts restoring questionable material to BLPs are not permitted, but then I realised that the article in question is under 1RR from a different ArbCom case, for which the user had already been notified. 1 month seemed reasonable given the block log. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 10:27, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

== Vacating a nameplace to make way for another ==

Hi John. Thanks for the above. Much appreciated. Could you have a look at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jo%C3%A3o_Louren%C3%A7o_(politician)#Redirecting my request here]? Or must I list this for a bot to do? Regards, [[User:Rui Gabriel Correia|Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia]] ([[User talk:Rui Gabriel Correia|talk]]) 12:51, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
::Please ignore. It has been done. But I am certain you would have been equally helpful. Regards, [[User:Rui Gabriel Correia|Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia]] ([[User talk:Rui Gabriel Correia|talk]]) 13:07, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Manny Pacquaio]] again ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Manny_Pacquiao&diff=802636259&oldid=802494052]  has the person who refuses to even consider using an RfC - '''edit warring with a vengeance.'''  Thank you. [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 17:19, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
:Someone might wish to undo his edit which was clearly an affront to policy.  [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 17:23, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

== Philipp Plein page ==

Hey John,

Just wanted to add a talk page thanks for the cleanup on the Philipp Plein page.  As a new editor it's much appreciated, and you gave me something new to learn.  If you don't mind a quick newbie nag, can you give me a quick explanation on the "no tabloids on BLPs please" edit?  I see that you didn't make any changes to the info on the page at all so I'm just wondering if I should take the time to dig up some sourcing to replace what was edited out.  Again, the help in cleaning up the page is much appreciated from this Wiki newb!  [[User:JustAnotherNerdWithWords|JustAnotherNerdWithWords]] ([[User talk:JustAnotherNerdWithWords|talk]]) 20:53, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
:See [[WP:BLPSOURCES]]. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 05:54, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
::Again thank you and the resource is very much appreciated.  [[User:JustAnotherNerdWithWords|JustAnotherNerdWithWords]] ([[User talk:JustAnotherNerdWithWords|talk]]) 17:24, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


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== Hi! ==

Why did you do [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThe_Quixotic_Potato&type=revision&diff=804136305&oldid=804133548 that]? &#40;&#40;&#40;[[User:The Quixotic Potato|The Quixotic Potato]]&#41;&#41;&#41; ([[User talk:The Quixotic Potato|talk]])  03:58, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:Why did you do [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThe_Quixotic_Potato&type=revision&diff=804133548&oldid=804133507 this]? [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NinjaRobotPirate&diff=prev&oldid=804622739 This]? Didn't you learn anything from your recent block? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 06:28, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[Thorium]] ==

Hi John! {{u|Double sharp}} and I are about to submit the article [[thorium]] to FAC; all it needs before this happens is a good prose quality check and possibly a copyedit. You've watched over prose quality during some recent chemical element FACs. It would be great and much appreciated if you could handle it for us just prior to, rather than during, the FAC. Would you please help us out?--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 12:33, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:Of course, I will be delighted to take a look. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:23, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
::Splendid; thank you!--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 17:03, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
*{{u|Double sharp}}, {{u|R8R}}: I've finished my [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Thorium&type=revision&diff=806059436&oldid=804615162 first pass]. I added a couple of hidden notes querying bits I did not understand. Also, are thorium salts soluble or not? We seem to state both. Otherwise it's looking good. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 12:13, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
::Here's response to your notes:
::''Thorium forms a one-atom-thin layer of tungsten.'' This sentence in the text doesn't say, but is supposed to say that tungsten forms a one-atom-thin layer on thorium. 
::''The need to irradiate <sup>232</sup>Th with neutrons and process it come before these advantages become real'' this phrase is supposed to say that while thorium can be advantageous to use, the drawbacks come into play long before the advantages do and the technology needed to deal with these drawbacks is still not developed. I hope these two explanations make it clear now?
::Generally, thorium salts are poorly soluble. What phrases in the article cause the confusion?--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 13:49, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

:::Thanks for the fast response. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Thorium&type=revision&diff=806071190&oldid=806069220 Three clarifications made.] I think it's looking good. What do you think? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 14:06, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Indeed, it looks good to me. Thank you very much!
::::Just to make it clear: what exactly do you mean when you say, "first pass"? Is it "go forth, and I'll later add some minor changes" or is it "another pass just as significant is yet to come"?--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 14:25, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Not at all, thank you for asking me, it's fun and I've finally had time to read it properly this week. By "first pass", I mean that I have read through the entire article and trimmed out infelicities, redundancies, MoS glitches (though I've not yet looked at references or overlinking) and tried to clarify what was unclear. I'd now probably reflect for a day or two and see if there is anything structural that leaps out. Given the article's length, it's less likely to be a major omission than streamlining what is already there. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 14:43, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
::::::I'm glad you liked it. I've seen this article too many times lately and can no longer judge if it's up to my usual standard. It seemed good as usual but it felt like I needed a second opinion on this to be sure.
::::::Thanks for clarification. I was expecting this kind of a reply but it still felt right to double-check. Then I'll wait for your signal before we can begin the FAC.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 17:06, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

== Admin request ==

Hello John ! Perhaps this isn't something you will find to be interesting, I don't know. I do however wonder if you possible could give some advises or whatever. In our article [[Swedish Wikipedia]] , has a fairly strong dispute  arisen. As the article already explain ''how large Swedish Wikipedia is, in terms of number of articles'' , have I and others come to the conclusion that its so called Wikimedia Article Depth (which is extremely low) also ought to be mentioned. And this is mentioned at not so few of our articles on other Wikipedias. At the talk-page have I given User:Adville a fair chance to explain why this shouldn't be mentioned as well. User:Adville has, in my opinion, totally failed in explaining why the poor article depth cannot be mentioned. He believes this is POV, possibly due to an icon I have copied from another editor ("Proud Swedes in exile") to my own page (I just have it there, I feel more like some "Half-Danish" person from Scania). But this has in my opinion nothing to do with the actual facts.  I'm only asking if you possible could have a brief look at this, as an administrator. The matter borders to warring.
Sorry for disturbing [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 21:59, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
:I'll be happy to have a look. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 00:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
::I'm not asking for favors. And thanks !
:::For your knowledge [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Adville#Your_behaviour_with_administational_assistance][[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 15:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
::::As Adville (who himself began this POV allegation) not appear to listen ''at all''. Perhaps another comment from you could be helpful. (for now,I have removed all primary sources in the article and referred to the talk-page, but Adville simply refuses to try to solve this matter. I have made a proposal at the talk-page). I'm truly sorry for the trouble I may have caused you. [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 00:27, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

:The page protection you did, is in my opinion totally correct. (Although it didn't suite my efforts at that moment, but still) Equally, for the "this is not helpful" talk-page part, I must thank you. <
But could you please have a look what ''someone'' have done with my comments to XXN and Adville ? They have vanished. Please see history file [[Talk:Swedish Wikipedia: Difference between revisions]].<br>Is this OK, in your opinion as an administrator ?  I haven't the foggiest idea of how this is possible, but it's nevertheless done. Thanks and sorry for the troubles ! [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 17:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
::Probably an error. What happened, {{u|Dan Koehl}}? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 17:31, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Can such errors occur unintentionally ? ''I'm honestly sorry for have pulled you into this mess''. <u>If possible, could you restore those deleted replies ?</u> If I do it "manually" Dan, Adville or XXN may accuse me of whatever...  I really want (and have wanted) to be constructive here. I can admit to have used coloured unnecessary statements, earlier. But at that time the lead was boastful as well as lacking sources. But already long before I contacted you, I was honestly being constructive. Whilst others, in my opinion, were not. Again sorry for this mess. [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 17:51, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Another user has beaten us to it. Yes, errors like that can happen. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 18:32, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the restoring, John. I assume no bad faith. [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 18:39, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
::::::This [[https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Dnm]] may be both irrelevant and/or uninteresting to you, I don't know. I just felt a need to add it here. Sorry if it is disturbing. [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 21:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

:It seems like a common understanding has been accepted. The Rfc was a splendid suggestion, RexxS was very good at explaining. To all who participated there, I assume, including myself. I think I have learned not so little from this. I still believe that the use of talk-pages kind of ensures Wikipedia's quality in general, and in the long run especially - but arguing over trivial matters in an article which I guess rather few of our ''readers'' will read anyways, then the time could be used much better. 
:I would however like to round this off with "a classical" example of a really unfruitful talk-page part. But it's funny at least to me, as someone suggested this:<br> 
:''"Also, were he new, I would propose baking <u>Boeing720</u> into a bacon danish with a side of bacon as per WP:DELICIOUS for bringing this to AN/I in an instance of unintentional forum/admin shopping."''<br> This was naturally meant as a joke. I was never really involved, but someone (else) asked me to make a comment through some link, and my comment somehow came to AN/I (apparently). The full "debate" is found here [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Danish_pastry]], and begins after the headline "Exotic names ?" (a closed part followed by "Requested move 22 February 2015" in bright green). A brief look ought to be sufficient. '''Thank you very much indeed, John !''' [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 04:58, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

== OverLink vs noLink ==

FYI: Some of you edit on overlink became nolink. Eg: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nirbheek&type=revision&diff=805431822&oldid=804475857 edit 1]. --[[User:AntanO|Ant<font color="red">a</font>n]][[User talk:AntanO|<font color="red"><big>'''O'''</big></font>]] 01:31, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
:That's intentional. Read [[WP:OVERLINK]]. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 10:20, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
::I know. My point is that when you remove OVERLINK keep at least one link. --[[User:AntanO|Ant<font color="red">a</font>n]][[User talk:AntanO|<font color="red"><big>'''O'''</big></font>]] 18:44, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
:::No, OVERLINK suggests not linking well-known geographical terms at all, so zero, not one, is the aim. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:12, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

== Your edit campaign ==

Hi John, so you know of a way to remove a particular user's edits from a watchlist? Your recent military products edit campaign is filling up my watchlist and making it very difficult to spot other edits besides yours. I'm not complaining about your edits themselves, just wondering if there is a way to exclude them from my watchlist while your campaign is ongoing, even just temporarily so I can check other edits in the same timeframes. Thanks. - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 13:22, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry for the trouble. I could mark them as minor and you could change your settings to ignore minor edits. I'm not sure, let me think. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 13:24, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

::It's more of an inconvenience than trouble, as I have about 26,000 pages watchlisted, mostl in military and aviation subjects.. Marking them as minor would be fine with me, as it's easy to remove them temporarily on the watchlist. - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 13:27, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

::I have to do the same thing with the bot edits occasionally so they don't fill up my watchlist. - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 13:37, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

:::I've done that. I think the edits I'm making do fall into minor editing but it's still nice to think others will check them in case I make any mistakes. Thanks for the feedback. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:26, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

::::Your welcome, and thanks also. Of course, it you make an occasional edit in this campaign that is major, it'd be fine not to mark it minor. :) - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 20:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

== An edit you made to the Philipp Plein page that's causing an error. ==

Hey John, noticed something while I was making an edit on the "Career" section to the Philipp Plein page.  When doing a preview before saving I noticed an error of " Cite warning: <ref> tag with name bloomberg.com cannot be previewed because it is defined outside the current section or not defined at all".  Looking over things I noticed it was a broken <ref> tag but it was on one of the edits you made to one of my previous edits.  Instead of just fixing the tag and leaving something possibly incorrect with the link as a source, can I get an idea of what you were thinking for the change so I can update it correctly?  Again much appreciated.  [[User:JustAnotherNerdWithWords|JustAnotherNerdWithWords]] ([[User talk:JustAnotherNerdWithWords|talk]]) 19:53, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

:{{tpw}} The reason you saw an error is that you were editing a section, and the complete reference information was located outside of that section. If you check the ref on the whole page, you'll see it isn't broken. I hope that helps. - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 19:58, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, Bilcat is right. There is no error, it's a function of looking at a section. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:18, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
:[[User:JustAnotherNerdWithWords|JANWW]], you might want to consider using [https://tools.wmflabs.org/refill/ this tool] to tidy refs up. Regards. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]])
::Very much appreciated everyone.  Thanks for the info on functionality and the editing tool to use.  This is turning into one hell of an interesting hobby with a great community.  [[User:JustAnotherNerdWithWords|JustAnotherNerdWithWords]] ([[User talk:JustAnotherNerdWithWords|talk]]) 21:38, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

== Precious five years! ==

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== ANI Notice ==

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:Thank you for the courtesy of notifying me. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 01:54, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

== Talkback ==
{{archive top|A ping would've been fine. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:15, 22 October 2017 (UTC)}}
{{tb|Purplebackpack89}}

TRM has decided to show up and say that he's entitled to revert me whenever the hell he likes and I'm not allowed to discuss those reverts.  That's not cricket.  If he doesn't want to talk to him, he should pledge to not revert me anywhere.  This is what I don't like about TRM: he insists that any interaction with anyone always happen on his terms, that he is allowed to do whatever he wants and no one, ever, is allowed to question him. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 21:42, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
:John, thanks for your calm input earlier.  As you are no doubt aware, what has been written above is incorrect.  Sorry for the ongoing disruption.  Perhaps if this continues we should get an IBAN organised.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:44, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
::Man, for somebody who supposedly doesn't give a damn about me, TRM sure follows me around a lot... <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 22:14, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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== James Thrower ==

Hey John, just wanted to make sure that the emailed [[James Thrower]] articles got through. Have had similar emails [[WP:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request#Ronin (film)|get sent to spam]] before. Cheers, --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 19:47, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
:They did, thank you very much for that. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:57, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[Manny Pacquaio]] again ==
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A dear friend is using "reword" !votes there in an RfC (some of which are very strongly worded against his preferred edit)  as meaning that his wording has "overwhelming consensus" yet again.   In fact, he is trying to self-close the RfC in favor of his position.  You might wish to take a look, as a full month has passed again and his position as to what "overwhelming consensus" means has not appeared to yet be altered.  [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 21:52, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
:I am watching. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:55, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
:: Are you going to make another poor block? Perhaps you should request that a different admin watch the article, you seem to be biased and motivated by other editors goading you into action. I am having serious doubts about your neutrality and performance as an admin. [[User:Spacecowboy420|Spacecowboy420]] ([[User talk:Spacecowboy420|talk]]) 07:59, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Avoid making any reverts of dubious BLP material and you should be fine, Spacecowboy420. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 11:02, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Actually, looking at your edits, [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Manny_Pacquiao&diff=prev&oldid=807340168 this] slightly worries me. Surely after two blocks, you must be beginning to realise that in cases of BLP, where there is dispute or doubt, the default is to leave it out, not to include it? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 11:15, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
::::I guess we won't agree on what is dubious BLP material and what isn't. To me your "dubious material" is my "cited and notable content", but don't let [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Manny_Pacquiao&diff=prev&oldid=807340168 this] worry you, I'm on the talk page discussing the content, rather than jumping in and adding content to the article. I apologize, I should credit you with a little common sense, despite [[User:Collect|Collect]] coming here and begging you to  keep an eye on me, I guess you are fully aware of his block history, disruptive history on BLP issues, topic bans, interaction bans, arbitration enforcement sanctions, etc etc and take that into account when he complains about other editors. [[User:Spacecowboy420|Spacecowboy420]] ([[User talk:Spacecowboy420|talk]]) 14:51, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Um -- the issue here is [[WP:BLP]].  If you wish to discuss my editing history, then I suggest this is the worst place to do so. I have well over 40,000 edits now - and I rather think {{u|John}} knows my positions on biographies of living persons fairly well.  Talk pages are not where ''ad hominem'' attacks ought to be made.  [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 14:56, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
::::::I assure you both that I look at each case on its merits. I appreciate the calm and reasonable tone you are both taking. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 17:44, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
:: [[User:Collect|Collect]] I'm discussing your motivation in coming here looking for sanctions against me, I wouldn't have been taking part in this discussion if you hadn't come here looking for a friendly admin to block me. Yet again, your battleground approach to Wikipedia is obvious to see and a highly disruptive influence. That's why your prior block history is highly relevant and the fact that you consider this to be "the worst place to do so", isn't something I agree with. [[User:Spacecowboy420|Spacecowboy420]] ([[User talk:Spacecowboy420|talk]]) 07:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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== Sigh... ==

I'd hoped that [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=807440900&oldid=807440591 this] was enough for someone to check the history of the only article they've edited and see if it had just [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Lake_Mills,_Iowa&action=history a few hours earlier] been vandalized by a blocked account by nearly the same name. When I said "obvious" I was being literal. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]]  01:07, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
: I see what you mean. Blocked. ,[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 01:14, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest|WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest]] ==

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== [[WP:PCPP]] behavior on templates ==

Hi John, I'm trying to clarify what "the edit is not directly visible to the majority of Wikipedia readers" means when it comes to templates. If an IP comes along and makes an edit that would break a template already under PCPP, am I correct in assuming it won't go live unless/until their edit is confirmed? &nbsp;&nbsp;<b>~</b>&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span>&nbsp; 16:59, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
:I don't know, to be honest. I will try to think who/where to ask. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:06, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
::I just noticed that [[Wikipedia:Pending changes#Effect of various protection levels]] doesn't say "templates" for PCP, but it ''does'' for semi-protection, so that might be the (implicit) answer. &nbsp;&nbsp;<b>~</b>&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span>&nbsp; 20:07, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
:PCPP only applies to the main and project namespaces. So, templates can not be under PCPP. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 20:39, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

== Help needed ==

Annoyingly being [[WP:FAR]] coordinator means that I can't vote on Featured Article Removal candidates. If you saw any there that gave you the slightest interest in commenting and you could opine keep or delist that would be really helpful. Just trying to get it moving and do some spring cleaning before the New Year...Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for asking. I am extremely busy in [[real life]] and have a lot to do on [[Wikipedia]] already, but I am honoured to be asked and I will try to take a look. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:21, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
::Yeah..if I could get just a few extra sets of eyes every so often (even once every month or so), it'd make a huge difference. The pace Is glacial. I used to be loth to strip articles of stars but now recognise that all the FA star means is best quality and am more ready to demote if there is not consensus to keep. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:28, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

== Usenet? ==

Not the AFU/AUE/AFCA complex?  [[User:Anmccaff|Anmccaff]] ([[User talk:Anmccaff|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Thorium]] ==

Three weeks ago, you said you'd finished the first pass of copyediting on the article. You haven't done anything on the article in a while, so I decided to check if you still intend to. Waiting for the job to be done is fine by me; however, you said just recently you were busy and I just want to make sure this task won't accidentally be overlooked and check if you actually had completed what you wanted by then and simply forgot to mention that.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 11:35, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the reminder. I will have a look tonight. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:It's looking good, [[User:R8R|R8R]], I think, and is almost ready. I suggest coalescing the two separate sections which discuss thorium's past and potential future use as a nuclear fuel. Having two overlapping sections is unhelpful, and I can't see any other good way  of solving it. If you agree this is worth a try, should we merge up the page or down? My feeling is we should merge up. I've run out of time now tonight but we can perhaps finish this tomorrow. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 00:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::I am initially skeptical about this but open-minded in general.  I don't yet think this will work: The nuclear part of thorium's history is only noticeable because there was little going on with the element otherwise, that's all. The nuclear perspectives, however, are tremendous (even though questionable). Also, if we merge up, we have essentially a short subsection endeavor a long section; I am initially skeptical about this as well. If we merge down, we lose a part of the element's history. However, while I don't think this will work, I am open to you proving me wrong. So, sure, a try is very welcome.
::At some point, I considered merging the Nuclear energy section with Applications. But this one does stand out.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 03:17, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I've done that, and I tentatively think it is better. There isn't a huge saving in space (really only a couple of sentences were duplicated) but I think it looks better-organised now. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::::I've checked it, and I'm begging to differ. The History section used to consist of short, 1-2 paras long subsections, and now there is one that takes more then a whole screen. I've taken a moment to think why and I think that the technical part doesn't belong in an overview discussion of history such as ours. (Of the recent stories, you've seen me rewrite the [[Aluminium#History|History section of aluminium]]. As important as the Hall--Heroult process is, I didn't describe it in detail because this is not the material for this section; this will go to Production section. I've checked if it was any different this time with thorium, and I think not.) Watching this, I've come to think history standalone as a listing of events and possibly explanations of what events/considerations led to them.
::::We can ask for a third opinion from Double sharp, the other major author of this article, if I haven't convinced you (we haven't discussed the matter before so it is possible that they'll join your position). I think this will be good regardless so I will, but I wouldn't want you to be surprised so letting you know beforehand.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 08:08, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::I think I'm with R8R this time. To me, discussion of the technical details of Th as a nuclear power source belongs in applications, not in history; the history should just contain discussion of when people started trying to use it as such. I mean, now the applications section contains no mention of Th in nuclear energy at all, which seems a bit off to me. If it has to be in only one place, I think applications is better than history; after all, it's still not used as the main fuel source anywhere ''yet''. [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 10:20, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::That's fine, I did say it was tentative. Do you have a better solution? Because I don't think the option of having two overlapping sections is a good one either. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 16:38, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I have given it a thought and I think it's conceptually okay as long as we cover different aspects of the problem (chronology of past events vs. the general principle of work). Different aspects of the general story of an element often overlap to some extent. For instance, lead is known since since antiquity (a history aspect) because it is easily extracted from its ores (a chemistry aspect). The general idea of such a duplication, as you say, is that this nuclear energy idea is a potential use of thorium, and uses go after history even if repeating them (see [[fluorine]]: the use for uranium separation is both in History and in Applications). Basically, same here. This nuclear energy has been given so much space because it is very ambitious and because all other uses are vanishing anyway.
:::::::I hope this makes sense to you. It makes sense to me. I haven't figured what could be done if it doesn't.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 15:17, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::::It does make sense, of course. But I may still think it is clumsy to have stuff spread over two sections like that. Let me think about it some more. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:15, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Of course, take your time.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 12:32, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== Bat copyedit ==

Hello, would you be able to copyedit [[Bat]]? We hope to get it to FA. Thanks. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 21:19, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:Certainly, as long as you aren't in too tearing a hurry. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
::No hurry, but let me know when you're finished. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 21:31, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks. It's a nice article. I'm more than half way through the first pass. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:03, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
::::We didn't discuss my fee yet, did we? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:21, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

==FYI==
Since you were involved earlier on en-wiki with this user I inform you of sockpuppet misuse of a company with us on nl-wiki see [[:nl:Overleg_gebruiker:Fatherhope55|here]]. Kind regards, [[User:MoiraMoira|MoiraMoira]] ([[User talk:MoiraMoira|talk]]) 08:02, 16 November 2017 (UTC) nl-wiki admin
:Thank you. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 11:06, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== Small advice wanted ==

Hello again, John ! [[List european countries and cities in all languages]] (a perhaps stupid chosen title, and my knowledge of table-syntax is rather limited..)  <u>But is the list/table of Encyclopedic value ?</u> Or is it too much of a Dictionary ? <br>
Unlike last time, I don't fear this will become a hornets nest as well. So if possible, and as no patroler even have had a look for 2 days, could you perhaps give me an advise on this ?  Adding every new language takes more and more time. I'm only asking you as experienced Wikipedian, and any advice ''stays here''. [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 00:22, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:I think it is interesting but as you say it might be seen as more of a dictionary topic than an encyclopedia one. At least fix the capitalisation in the title, please. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 14:05, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. A trouble is, that I'm extremely bad with Wiki syntax. Meaning I really don't know how to change a title. The title is also horribly wrong, and I should have used an other title. Nevertheless, as I added a link to two language related articles, a deletion proposal came up at once. I have to live with that. It will presumably be deleted. But if so, I want it to be deleted for the correct reasons. (there is no OR involved, and the chosen cities are Capitals or such cities that are spelled differently between languages, they are not randomly chosen) I'm sorry for the title in general, as well for its lack of Capitals where they should have been. As it now is a matter of deletion proposal, I think there is not much ''current'' reason to change the title. However, if we have a page explaining how to change a title, I would be grateful for a link. Thanks again ! [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 21:05, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I've had a look and I must admit that's a pretty firm consensus building there that your article is inherently unencyclopedic. I'd probably userfy it. That way you at least have it for your own reference. For your future information, there's a "Move" tab on (almost) every page you see as a logged-in user. If you click on that, it allows you to move any article to any title that is not already occupied. I don't recommend trying it on this article, as I think it's on the way out anyway, and as you can imagine there are strict rules about when you can and can't move things. But if you ever again write an article then realise it's at the wrong title, this is how you change it. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks for that information. I have saved your "move comment" for the future, it doesn't look too difficult. (And I realise not to use that tool without bringing it up at a talk-page) <u>What's "userfy" ?</u> [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 00:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Userfy looks like [[User:Boeing720/List of European countries and cities in all languages|this]], {{u|Boeing720}}. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:05, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::Thank you very much for all of this - advice, information, the suggestion at the AfC, and now for the link, etc, etc. I strongly objected to OR and "random", but I can most certainly live with this, and also if it had been deleted (but not for intentional OR or similar reasons), the title was horrific- yes and sorry for that, but there was a structure, although perhaps not quite obvious from scratch. Many thanks ''yet again'', John ! Life goes on. [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 01:06, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Margaret (singer)]] ==

Hi John. Would you be willing to copy edit the article which was promoted to GA at the beginning of this year. I just want to make sure that its quality is maintained. I do understand that you're busy so take as long as you need of course. Best wishes. [[User:ArturSik|ArturSik]] ([[User talk:ArturSik|talk]]) 17:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
:Delighted. Will look in the next few days. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 17:08, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you so much :) [[User:ArturSik|ArturSik]] ([[User talk:ArturSik|talk]]) 19:59, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for your copy edits so far. I have a question concerning one of the sentences in the "thank you very much" section. I could be wrong but I'm not sure if that is correct: "a music video surrounded by thirty nude extras". what do you think? [[User:ArturSik|ArturSik]] ([[User talk:ArturSik|talk]]) 14:02, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
::Good shout. Clarified. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:47, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your thoughtful review of [[Scarlett Johansson]] at its FAC and for your contributions to the article. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 14:27, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
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:Thanks, that's extremely kind. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
::And I checked; this was the most edits I have ever made to an FAC, apart from [[Vincent van Gogh]] where I was a co-nom. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 17:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|FrB.TG}}, the best edits we made were [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Scarlett_Johansson&type=revision&diff=809772016&oldid=809710459 yours], prompted by my comments. ''Johansson is reluctant to discuss her personal life, saying, "It's nice to have everybody not know your business."'' was really needing removed. I also want to praise [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Scarlett_Johansson&type=revision&diff=811649991&oldid=811639907 this edit] by {{u|SNUGGUMS}} which sorted out a major infelicity in the lead which none of us had noticed. If we're giving out Barnstars, surely that deserves one? Finally, are you ok with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Scarlett_Johansson&type=revision&diff=811779385&oldid=811649991 losing the two extra images]? and I think [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Scarlett_Johansson&diff=next&oldid=811784230 this] post-FAC tweak should be my last edit for a while. Best wishes to you, --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:46, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Yes, Snuggums was helpful during the expansion; I left a note in Sep/Oct on his talk thanking him for his edits. Coming to the images, I was initially surprised by their removal. It's not something I'd fight over, though it would have been nice if we kept them. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 19:53, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
::::I thought {{u|TriiipleThreat}} made a reasonable point about them. You made a general point about it being ok to have images of people who aren't the subject of the article, which nobody would dispute. {{u|Flyer22 Reborn}} didn't seem to mind removing them. The article has plenty of images in my opinion. Of course it's something we could discuss in article talk if you like. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::My pleasure, gentlemen, and congrats on another successful FA! [[User:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b>]] ([[User talk:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">talk</b>]] / [[Special:Contributions/SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">edits</b>]]) 19:59, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

== About SpongeBob's Greatest Hits ==

Hi. SpongeBob's Greatest Hits has again been subject to vandalism, could it at least be semi-protected to prevent vandalism from anonymous users? Thanks! [[User:Theangryvide0gamecritic|Theangryvide0gamecritic]] ([[User talk:Theangryvide0gamecritic|talk]]) 22:05, 25 November 2017 (UTC) [[User:Theangryvide0gamecritic|talk]]
:I don't think the level of vandalism necessitates that. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:08, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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== James Thrower ==

So I saw your request at WikiProject:Resource Exchange - Resource Request about James Thrower. I don't know if this helps you, but religious studies author Reza Aslan mentioned Thrower's work in an interview.[https://www.salon.com/2014/11/21/reza_aslan_sam_harris_and_new_atheists_arent_new_arent_even_atheists/] Julian Baggini also mentioned Thrower's work here[https://books.google.pt/books?id=DUal7eYmEnEC&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=baggini+%22thrower%22&source=bl&ots=dbCfAHjUCl&sig=EoKUbQ3czITmzu1iI83NVF9GcH0&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnzPyAod3XAhWkJMAKHejEDQEQ6AEITDAM#v=onepage&q=baggini%20%22thrower%22&f=false]. You can find another brief mention of Thrower's work here[https://books.google.pt/books?id=9kwoAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT243&lpg=PT243&dq=baggini+%22thrower%22&source=bl&ots=wzHiSodZ-l&sig=NIK-WT_CPhvdV_9C8gxlMGTsYq4&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnzPyAod3XAhWkJMAKHejEDQEQ6AEIRzAL#v=onepage&q=baggini%20%22thrower%22&f=false]. Thrower also wrote "Essays in Religious Studies for Andrew Walls"(1986) and this another book[http://mellenpress.com/book/The-Religious-History-Of-Central-Asia-From-The-Earliest-Times-To-The-Present-Day/5864/]. I hope you can find something useful there. [[User:RetiredDuke|RetiredDuke]] ([[User talk:RetiredDuke|talk]]) 22:43, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you! --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:44, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

== If you have time... ==

Hi John,

In the past you kindly did copy-editing of a couple of Breeders-related articles I'd been working on. If you have time, I was wondering if you could possibly leave feedback (or copy-edits) for [[Wikipedia:Peer review/The Breeders Tour 2014/archive1]]. If you don't have time, no worries. Thank you. [[User:Moisejp|Moisejp]] ([[User talk:Moisejp|talk]]) 22:59, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
:I'll add it to my list. Good to hear from you again. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:47, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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== Slow burn edit war from IP hopping troll ==

Hi John, hope you’re keeping well. Can you advise re a slow burn edit war which seems to be from the same person, operating from different IP address’s?  [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wilkie_Bard&action=history]. I’ve been having a problem with the same person now for a few months who keeps unilaterally reverting edits to do with irrelevant infoboxes.  As per the above, I’ve been trying to improve [[Wilkie Bard]] but my attempts are being disrupted by this person.  It doesn’t satisfy 3RR yet, and ANI would be a cauldron of calamity and troll’s day out. There is also not enough evidence for an SPI, although you don’t have to be Clouseau to work out that it’s the same person.  Best regards '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]][[User talk:Cassianto#top|<sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk</sup>]]</span>''' 23:11, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
:My advice in this instance is to start a discussion at article talk. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 00:14, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
::A pointless bloody task as their motives are clearly not to collaborate.  No worries, I’ll carry on reverting them then. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]][[User talk:Cassianto#top|<sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk</sup>]]</span>''' 11:09, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
:::{{tps}}<small> '''Note:''' in my experience, the [[Busman's Holiday (film)|troll's day out]] is seriously overrated. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:07, 30 November 2017 (UTC) </small>
::::Indeed Martin. Cassianto, you'd have to be careful; not liking infoboxes is not a defence to 3rr. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 17:07, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Liking infoboxes is also not a defence to 3rr. But it appears that’s overlooked on this project. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]][[User talk:Cassianto#top|<sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk</sup>]]</span>''' 19:32, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::"Take the money! No, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irg29je8G8k open the box]" ! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:42, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Whether you like or dislike infoboxes, editing to restore or remove them repeatedly is likely to lead to a block as it isn't one of the defences we accept for edit warring. Hence my advice to take it to article talk. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:39, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::::<small>You old [[Sage the Gemini|sage]], John. Yes Cassy, he's right, you know... my advice - stick with the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sstrj15XpWQ blow on the head]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:04, 30 November 2017 (UTC) </small>



== Out of line ==

Please could you revisit [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BrillLyle BrillLyle]'s talk page. I know, you know, I've disengaged, as you thanked me, but since this, BrillLyle has come back with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrillLyle&diff=813246294&oldid=813245725 this comment] with regards to my private life. I'm sure you can appreciate, I take my privacy very seriously and this slur is one thing that cuts too deep. I do not appreciate the despicable assertion that just because I have an issue with this infobox, I must have issues in real life.  It's disgusting and way too private. The IP hopper troll is also back and keeps putting this comment back on the talk page.  Please could this be revdeld too. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]][[User talk:Cassianto#top|<sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk</sup>]]</span>''' 19:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
:Archived. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:11, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

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== Strachan ==

I see that he is now in prep, but with the (quirky) hook I didn't like too much. If you are comfortable with it, I'll leave it as is, because it may not really matter ''what'' makes people curious. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:21, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
:That's rather an arcane system they use over there, it took me a while to find it. It currently reads '''... that [[Harold Strachan]] has painted pictures, written books, made bombs, served two prison sentences, and completed an [[ultramarathon]]?''' which I think I am fine with. Thanks a million for your help; don't hesitate if there's anything I can do for you in return. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
:: I look at "what links here". The hook doesn't say a word about SA, but perhaps that will even attract more, who knows. I liked your unbiased guidance for Wilkie Bard. You might take a look at Alfonso und Estrella. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:36, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

==DYK for Harold Strachan==
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Good to know! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

:Isn't it exciting! This article barely existed six weeks ago. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 11:55, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

:: Enjoy, {{diff|Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|814383809|814302690|well-deserved}}, and go for GA ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:54, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

:::Thank you Gerda, I enjoyed all the work I did on the article and I enjoyed my brief moment in the sun. {{u|Eric Corbett}}, what would I need to do to get GA? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:38, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

:::: Your RfC: Butler is one of the articles I avoid (see talk, 2016), so I will be of no help for the RfC, sorry. Today I found a case of a man called just by his given name, - I {{diff|Max Emanuel Cenčić|814916558|810805404|changed it}}, of course. Wonderful singer whom I had the pleasure of hearing [[L'incoronazione di Poppea|yesterday]], but that article needs work ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::I read that discussion. It isn't terribly edifying, is it? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:38, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::: I hope that you don't expect a comment ;) - I made a few icons, did you know, one about [[Template:User QAIbox/doc#ignore ignore ignore|ignore]], one about [[Template:User QAIbox/doc#it is enough|enough]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 23:25, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Vieles Reden lässt alte Wunden nur schwer heilen. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::: Did you follow ignore (under the cherry image)? One of the sorest wounds. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 23:39, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Terrible business. Hey, if you outlive me, can you make sure nobody puts a ''"This Wikipedian is deceased. His user page is preserved here in his memory."'' on me? "Deceased" is one of the words I really hate here. Just say "dead", please. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::: I think you better put that on your talk, on top, where they'd place the template, rather than relying on me outliving you. I outlived {{diff|Falstaff (opera)|640718237|639060115|a great model}}, who left us much work not yet done. But at least he didn't leave this place by blocking himself (to explain "sorest"). --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 23:52, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

== Harold Strachan ==

Any reason why you're editing against MOS, other than [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]? [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 11:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
:Yes. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 11:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

== [[WP:ALUM]] ==

By the way, John, why do ''you'' support the rule? I have seen your name in a few past discussions and either haven't ruled that out or if I have, I've forgotten the reason.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 07:24, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
:I support the rule because
:a) It doesn't matter. One spelling is as good as the other.
:b) If we didn't have such a rule we'd have messy and distracting disagreement in articles.
:c) Having the rule means we can use our time to get on with more interesting things. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 08:53, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
::I don't agree with but understand a) and c). I don't quite understand b), though: are you okay with [[WP:ENGVAR]] then, since it basically allows such disagreement in all non-country related articles? If so, what's the difference?--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 14:47, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
:::ENGVAR is in the same vein as ALUM though. Spelling doesn't matter, a long as it is consistent. I support ALUM for the same reasons I support ENGVAR; it prevents silly arguments about whether ''color'' or ''colour'' is "better" (both are fine) and allows us to get on with more interesting things. For a really serious one, over which people have actually died, see [[Derry/Londonderry name dispute]] and [[WP:DERRY]].--[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:00, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
::::I see how ENGVAR prevents such arguments over which spelling is better and I agree with this idea. I don't, however, understand, how ALUM and ENGVAR are alike on this one. ALUM seems to contradict the idea: it explicitly says that there is one spelling chosen by an important authority and that therefore we should follow this supreme spelling (it is not said explicitly that the spelling is supreme but one easily could read it this way. I did read it so when I first encountered the rule. That is one reason I don't like it).
::::I've got another question yet to formulate. The Derry dispute seems not quite like what we have because that one appears to involve politics and nationalism while this one is exclusively about spelling.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 23:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::I don't think it's the authority part which is important though. It just avoids a lot of silly nationalistic arguments which distract from our purpose. A lot of older British chemists still use ''sulphur'', but many use ''sulfur''. American chemists use ''aluminum'' but the rest of the world uses ''aluminium''. Nobody cares very much about ''caesium''. In this case the spelling opposition coincides largely with nationalism. It makes much more sense just to standardise on ''sulfur'', ''aluminium'', and get on with our lives. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:59, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::Now you've highlighted the point that interests me most. You say, "American chemists use ''aluminum'' but the rest of the world uses ''aluminium''." Also only Americans use ''color'' and the rest of the world uses ''colour''. What is the difference between "we need to standardize on ''aluminium''" and "both ''color'' and ''colour'' are fine and we don't need to standardize (which is what ENGVAR says)"?
::::::The only potential reason I was able to conclude from what you've said is that it's already the solution we have so we can have it because we already do have ''a'' solution, perfect or not, as it doesn't really matter anyway. Then (please note that I really really really don't mean to be rude here) why is that of such interest for you to have a position in the first place? If there are better things to do, why do you keep such a close track of it and not concentrate on more interesting things as it appears to me that you'll be good with any solution as long as it's a recognized solution? (I really hope you see I am not at all trying to be offensive and am sorry if it seems otherwise, I just genuinely don't entirely understand your motivation.)--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 12:08, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not in the least annoyed or offended by your questions. The difference between ''colour'' and ''aluminium'' is that the latter can be considered "correct" in any geographical context, as it's a chemistry word, whereas the former would be "incorrect" in American usage. I have better things to do than as an admin mediating or enforcing the hundreds of disputes that would ensue if we didn't have this rule. The time spent defending the successful longstanding compromise is time well invested. As a chemist I am interested in nomenclature, so the question interested me. What wouldn't interest me would be constant bickering over which version is "correct", when they both are. Think of it as an extension of the principle by which an element like [[iron]] has the symbol Fe regardless of whether the locals call it "iron", "Eisen", "fer" or "железо". Make sense? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 12:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Generally, what bothers me here is the degree of arbitrariness by which you may consider ''aluminium'' correct in American usage. American dictionaries I know use ''aluminum''. This is not even well accepted among American chemists: the [[American Chemical Society]] and [[PubMed]] use one spelling, and it's ''aluminum''. Lastly, even IUPAC acknowledges the ''-um'' spelling. This is important. I can imagine this was not the case when they ruled that Nb should be called ''niobium'' (not ''columbium'') and W should be called ''tungsten'' (not ''wolfram''). This is not even presently the case with S being exclusively ''sulfur'' (not ''sulphur''). American chemists commonly use ''aluminum'' in IUPAC's internal publications and even IUPAC's external publications may use both spellings. That is why per styling reasons alone, it is hard for me to see sticking to one spelling justified if IUPAC, the organization whose style we are said to be following, allows both.
::::::::I'm having trouble trying to think the Fe example is relevant. A single ''symbol'' despite different ''names'' is very different from a single ''name'' despite different ''names''. The former does not affect the alternatives; the latter does.
::::::::What's interesting is the new (for me) idea of that this is a compromise that could prevent further disputes. I'd love to ask some questions about it. Most important of them is, why is ALUM better at preventing disputes than ENGVAR? It would seem to me that both would work equally fine. Second, are we really talking about hundreds of disputes about spellings of these three elements? It may have been the case in 2004 (don't know yet; will check) but it doesn't look like that today and then again, you just have a rule to point at. Third, on a brief check, a predecessor of ENGVAR did exist in 2004 but I have no knowledge of if rules were actually abided as strictly as they are today. That old rule looks like a piece of advice rather than an actual rule so I could see people assuming no hurt in not following it. This wouldn't be the case today.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 14:01, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::That's fine, and I don't disagree with anything you say. I have lived and worked in the States. If you think of it as a management problem rather than as one of nomenclature, you'll maybe understand my perspective better. Are you familiar with the [[Bikeshed problem]]? Wikipedia in reality has very few stern and inflexible "rules" (BLP, COPYVIO, NPA...?) and most things can be worked around. This agreement has kept the peace for a long time and I don't think you'll find much appetite to change it to address a perceived problem of ... what exactly? {{u|Vsmith}}, you were in on this from the beginning, do you want to add anything? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 14:09, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::Just to note from [[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(chemistry)#Element_names]]: "These spellings should be used in all chemistry-related articles.." So ... in an article about cooking perhaps "aluminum pan" would be fine; but then ''cooking is chemistry'' ... fun :) [[User:Vsmith|Vsmith]] ([[User talk:Vsmith|talk]]) 14:55, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::I am indeed trying to look from the management perspective. I'm still having trouble finding what advantage ALUM brings today. If ALUM was repealed and ENGVAR took over, what disadvantage would that bring? I can't find good reasons to keep the rule apart from people's general conservatism but I'm still trying.
::::::::::I also find that the peace we are talking about is not particularly great. Which is why it was discussed over and over and over throughout the years after it was accepted. (Why none of those discussions resulted in a change is a different matter. Often it is because of invalid reasoning, often because of improper way to attempt the change. Maybe there actually were great problems in 2004 and they were recent enough in some of those discussions.) I assume that people are no longer arguing because they like the rule but rather because it has been argued over and over so many times it would take quite an effort to stand a chance of succeeding. Very very few readers leave messages at talk pages at all and essentially none will now that they are meant to do that in a special reservation. That does not mean they are fine with our decisions. While both "Derry" and "Londonderry" are probably fine in a Northern Irish context or any context, actually, "aluminium" is strange in an American context.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 15:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::Maybe: why fix what ain't broke :) And yes, aluminium is "strange" (in '04 I was a chemistry teacher in the Ozarks), but the solution worked and I got used to the weird spelling ... and that "ae" in caesium - alien. [[User:Vsmith|Vsmith]] ([[User talk:Vsmith|talk]]) 16:27, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{ping|Vsmith}} Why ain't it broke? It inserts a word in a spelling unusual (if not unknown to many) to the general American reader to an American text. That's a problem. I don't see why anyone has to get used to a spelling we use; it must come naturally. It appears to me that if it worked, then only poorly: the summary length of discussions since its implementation shows that. You were there in 2004 so you may know: since you said it worked then, why did MoS not? I am genuinely interested about this. I see that MoS back in 2004 contained a line about that the original national variety should be retained.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 17:37, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::If I may answer although the question was not addressed to me; most of our target audience are not American. To an Indian or a South African, "aluminum" is going to look like a typo. To older people from Britain or New Zealand, "sulfur" is going to look weird. The spirit of ALUM and of ENGVAR is to ensure equality of esteem, equality of recognition to the two main spelling dialects of our language. In both cases, the policy recommends ''not changing spelling arbitrarily'' from one version to the other and that is the important thing to hang onto here. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 17:44, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::::No no no, I did not mean that at all. What I meant was that in a text written in AmE, it makes most sense to use the words common to AmE. Just like it is common to use words common to the British in texts written in BrE, words common to the Indians and South Africans in texts written in Indian English and South African English and so on. It would make perfect sense to use one spelling common to both AmE and BrE but there is none and what's worse, it looks like we're trying to invent one. I suspect there may be something in how this rule prevented something back in 2004 to see if those problems are applicable to the present situation but I don't yet see what it was. I'd love to learn that.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 18:09, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

== 2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting ==

As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards#"Military_historian_of_the_Year"|Military Historian of the Year]] and the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards#"Military_history_Newcomer_of_the_Year"|Military History Newcomer of the Year]]. The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators|co-ordinators]] invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Nominations_for_military_historian_of_the_year_for_2017_now_open!|here]] and [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Nominations_for_military_history_newcomer_of_the_year_for_2017_now_open!|here]]. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 08:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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== [[WP:ADMINACCT]] ==
{{archive top|Please don't waste my time. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:24, 8 December 2017 (UTC)}}
I still have not received an apology from you. Do you still not understand what happened and why? &#40;&#40;&#40;[[User:The Quixotic Potato|The Quixotic Potato]]&#41;&#41;&#41; ([[User talk:The Quixotic Potato|talk]])  10:49, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
:Having reviewed your block from two months ago, it was richly deserved and there is definitely nothing to apologise for. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 14:19, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
::You still do not understand the situation and you haven't asked any questions IIRC. One bad block can do more damage than a hundred justified blocks can prevent. Admins who make mistakes rarely learn from them, because it is so much easier to block and ignore than it is to communicate and because there is no oversight. If simply reading is not enough to understand what happened and why then that probably requires you to communicate. &#40;&#40;&#40;[[User:The Quixotic Potato|The Quixotic Potato]]&#41;&#41;&#41; ([[User talk:The Quixotic Potato|talk]])  15:05, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
:::Let me help you. If you have a question about your block, you may ask it. If you wish to make generalised philosophical points, I may or may not read them and I probably won't respond. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 15:12, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
::::Let me help ''you'' instead. If you, in the future, see a long term good faith editor doing something you do not understand it is probably wise to ask them what is going on. You are not allowed to use the block button to punish those you dislike, and you are only allowed to use the blockbutton to protect the encyclopedia or its users (e.g. WP:SUICIDE). If you do not understand a situation (even after reading everything related to it) then it is wise to ask questions or ignore it. &#40;&#40;&#40;[[User:The Quixotic Potato|The Quixotic Potato]]&#41;&#41;&#41; ([[User talk:The Quixotic Potato|talk]])  15:21, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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== Question ==

Where can I fine the sourced material?

Are you an administration?

Also How do you think of my edits?

Can you fix errors?

Can you create more pages?

Also can you add pictures to pages? [[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|talk]]) 22:45, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

:You can use a [[search engine]] to find sourced material. Yes, I'm an administrator. I don't see any recent substantive edits from you, do you edit from different IPs? What is it you want to help with? I see you are interested in shopping malls; I think there is a project you could ask. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:11, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Retailing]] seems to be somewhat inactive, sadly. Any TPS got any suggestions? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:33, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

== Page request ==

Can you create three pages? The three pages are Gran plaza outlets, Outlets at Tejon and San Francisco Premium Outlets.  --[[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|talk]]) 06:06, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
:I have the right to do that. Why would it be a good thing? What are the sources? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 07:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
::This is because people want information and details about this. The sources are about, stores, trivia, location, luxury stores, and other shopping centers. Can you add photos? --[[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C100:627F:2871:81CA:410F:C9AC|2601:205:C100:627F:2871:81CA:410F:C9AC]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C100:627F:2871:81CA:410F:C9AC|talk]]) 01:36, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
:::I have the right to do that too. Have you read [[WP:N]]? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 07:17, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Sure --[[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|talk]]) 02:13, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
:I created a draft page. --[[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|talk]]) 03:11, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

== Link ==

I created a draft page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gran_Plaza_Outlets]

My article is declined because it is not referenced. --[[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|talk]]) 00:22, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, you need references. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 07:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

== 2018 is around the corner.... ==

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:Thank you, that was very kind. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 07:13, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

== Happy Saturnalia! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free and you not often get distracted by dice-playing. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:57, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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:Thank you Ealdgyth, and the same to you. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 07:14, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

== ''The Signpost'': 18 December 2017 ==

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== Possibility of providing your input on a [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/Regine_Velasquez/archive1|Peer Review]] for [[Regine Velasquez]]'s entry ==

Hi {{u|John}},

I'm writing to ask whether you would consider having a look at the article. I'm aware that you've been involved with a few PRs before. I've given it a major rewrite and complete overhaul. I began working on the article late October when it looked like [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Regine_Velasquez&diff=807301705&oldid=807153817 this] and somehow ended up rewriting the whole thing and aiming for potentially FA. This isn't a process I've been through before, but I have been reading the reviews here in preparation, and am familiar with FAC demands. I would very much appreciate a fresh set of eyes and happily address any concerns you may have.

Thanks! [[User:Pseud 14|Pseud 14]] ([[User talk:Pseud 14|talk]]) 10:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
:Of course. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 18:25, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

== Merry Christmas ! ==

[[File:Pörtschach Stiller Advent See-Weihnachtsbaum 28112014 855.jpg|500px|Merry Christmas, John!]] [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 15:47, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you! What a beautiful photo. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 17:07, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
::Glad you thought so too. [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 17:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

== [[Thorium]] FAC ==

I hope I'm not annoying you too much with this article. I only feel obliged to tell you that the [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Thorium/archive1|FAC]] is finally on -- and I'm sorry for having forgotten to tell you that earlier. I'm very grateful for your copyedit.--[[User:R8R|R8R]] ([[User talk:R8R#top|talk]]) 19:52, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
:Not annoying in the least. Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:22, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

== Edit ==

I made an edit on this article [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Tanger_Factory_Outlet_Centers&action=history]. I changed the name to Washington to Pittsburgh. --[[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|talk]]) 03:25, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
:Based on what source? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 09:23, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
::The error. --[[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|talk]]) 02:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
:::And what sources support this edit? We don't allow [[WP:NOR|original research]] here. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 13:16, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

== User group for Military Historians ==

Greetings, 

"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at [[:m:Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians|Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians]].

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==Georgi Vladimov==
Hi. Can you move this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Vladimov#/media/File:Georgi_Vladimov.jpg] picture to Wikicommons, please? --[[User:Morus kot|Morus kot]] ([[User talk:Morus kot|talk]]) 01:03, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
:No, I can't. Commons doesn't allow fair use pictures. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 13:15, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

== Intermittent ==

I'll be travelling for probably the next week and a half, and will have intermittent Internet access. Please excuse me. Have a good holiday, everyone. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 23:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

==Merry Christmas!==
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: Thanks. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 21:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

== Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda ==

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... warmest seasonal wishes for ...... '''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGn4CVTNGQs Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.]'''</big></big><br>
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Hoping that Christmas may bless you with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wit-jGD4wCw peace, love and understanding]... and wishing that you have a good [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrukP_0NmfE run] in 2018!!<br/>
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:Thank you Martin. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 12:55, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
== Happy Holidays ==

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: Thanks Modernist, same to you. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 13:49, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

== Seasons' Greetings ==

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...to you and yours, from the Great White North! [[User:Bzuk|FWiW  Bzuk]] ([[User talk:Bzuk|talk]]) 17:37, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
: Thanks Bzuk, the same to you. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 17:45, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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: Thanks a lot. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:24, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

== Merry Christmas and All That ==

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and best wishes in all things!&nbsp;[[User:Lingzhi|Lingzhi]]&nbsp;♦&nbsp;[[User talk:Lingzhi|(talk)]] 11:37, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
: Thanks! Same to you. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 12:52, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

== I Could Use Your Help ==
Hi John, I saw your offer to help in the Editor Assistance area. I'm hoping that you can give me a bit of guidance relating to a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Marshall friend's BLP] that's been flagged. He asked me if I could help resolve the issues that caused an editor to dispute the neutrality of the article, among other things.

I asked the editor to explain exactly what he did not like in the article, and he did so. I then worked with my friend to address each point and asked for the editor's opinion whether my suggested edits fixed the problem. That was in August, and I've heard nothing from him. I asked again. Nothing. I asked if there was another editor who might be able to respond. Nothing. I created an RfC, and have got no nibbles. I then posted a request on the BLP Noticeboard and have heard nothing.

Therefore the resolution is dead in the water. I'm a Wikipedia newcomer and want to be careful about all the rules. I have disclosed my NCOI concerning my friend from the beginning. I therefore created a sandbox version of his article with all my [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Copywriter12/sandbox/Perry_Marshall suggested fixes] incorporated. I just feel like something's not working properly when an individual can be flagged, efforts are made to fix the issues, and they're met with zero response for months. I would very much appreciate your advice on what process I should now follow. If you're so inclined and have a moment to look at my sandboxed version, do you see any issues that would prevent the flags from being removed? There's a LOT about Wikipedia that I don't know, and appreciate the help of experienced people. Thanks very much in advance for your advice! [[User:Copywriter12|Copywriter12]] ([[User talk:Copywriter12|talk]]) 06:40, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
:I will take a look at this but I cannot guarantee a fast turnaround. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi John, Given how many edits you've made and how in demand you are, I realize that I may be pretty far back in the queue for your attention. I thought I'd ping you to get your advice when you do have a moment. I'm new to Wikipedia and am trying to help out a buddy whose BLP has been flagged by another editor. I sure would appreciate your thoughts about the best way to address these issues. I've made proposed edits for every single issue that the editor raised, but I've heard nothing so I'm in this limbo currently. Thanks in advance for either your editorial help or your advice about the next steps I should take. [[User:Copywriter12|Copywriter12]] ([[User talk:Copywriter12|talk]]) 06:08, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

== Your comment ==

Please can you point out the [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Tottenham_outrage/archive1&diff=prev&oldid=817484562 "demeaning language"] in my comment that preceded your one, [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Tottenham_outrage/archive1&diff=817474699&oldid=817474654 here]? If your not able to, no worries, I'll accept an apology here, if that helps? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 19:16, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
:Insisting on using the phrase "committed suicide" demeans and insults those who are driven to attempt to kill themselves. You really still don't get it, eh? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
::Why? The terminology was correct back then, as were words like "spastic", which you couldn't get away with saying today, but was widely used for years, such as [https://www.scope.org.uk/history here]. We cannot pretend that terms like this didn't exist, because they did. No matter how much you evidently want to, you cannot rewrite the history books. You don't need me to tell you how much language changes as the years roll by; more and more words, that were widely used at one stage, are consigned, for whatever reason, to the vaults of history.  It is not for you or I to determine what is morally right on Wikipedia, or to take offence on behalf of others, who may or may not take offence at all. Now, can you point out where I have been demeaning in my linked comment above? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 22:19, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
:::I am struggling to explain this to you if you are genuinely unable to accept that language changes over time. This is something that most people learn about in early secondary school. We no longer call Jewish people [[kike]]s, though at one time it was common. We no longer call black people [[nigger]]s, though at one time it was common. We no longer call gay people [[faggot (slang)|faggot]]s, though at one time it was common. Those of us who know something of the subject no longer use the phrase "committed suicide" for similar reasons to not saying "kike", "nigger" and "faggot"; because it is hurtful to a discriminated and vulnerable minority, perpetuates intolerance, and is easily replaceable by a more descriptive and more neutral term. I am not sure why you are so desperate to hold on to this one little phrase; I can only assume you are still upset by being wrong over the article where you held out for calling an adult woman by her first name throughout, like a pet or a child. I'm a great fan of ''[[Alan Partridge]]'', and I can imagine you sitting there muttering "political correctness gone crazy". But ''Alan Partridge'' was comedy, and this is real life. These language choices hurt real people; it's a serious subject and you should let go of your hurt. We all make mistakes, and it makes you more human if you can admit to it. (ec) I see you've edited your comment to reflect that you ''do'' understand that language changes. Good. Would you hold out for using "spastic" or "mongoloid" on a modern article? I think you would not but are just being stubborn. Let it go. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:36, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
::::Is that not what I've just said? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 22:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::Will you accept that "committing suicide" was an acceptable term in 1909? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 22:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::Oh, of course. As was "kike". But in 2017 it seems churlish to insist on it. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:50, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::But it is a period article about an event in 1909.  The very excellent [[Life on Mars (UK TV series)|Life on Mars]] featured a politically incorrect misogynist who belittled colleagues and who corruptly went about his job. Not acceptable now, but Hunt's language was indicative of someone in a job like that in that era. You may hate that, but that was how it was and it's important that that is portrayed to give a sense of realism. We should not be censored. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 23:08, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
:Cassianto, you strike me a person who is right 99.9^ of the time, but this is one of those 0.1% of the times - John is ok people, and somebody I have known and worked with over years, and would vouch for. I'd let this lie; ye are, in all other other thing, utterly on the same side. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 23:58, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::::I loved that show! I thought [[Ashes to Ashes (TV series)|the sequel]] was disappointing though. Your stance is becoming more understandable to me now, but I still don't agree with you. Our article on [[Nelson Mandela]] doesn't and shouldn't call him a [[Kaffir (racial term)|kaffir]], although that is how many would have referred to him during most of his lifetime. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 00:02, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::That's ok, because I don't agree with you either; but hey, let's agree to disagree, shall we? I understand you may not like the term, but I hope you can at least appreciate that the eagerness to "strong oppose" an otherwise excellent article, so soon after the feud on Josephine Butler, might have come across to some as a little churlish and bitter, even though it perhaps wasn't intended as such. It was this I was most annoyed about. A discussion first under a "Comment" header, with an eventual "oppose" later, should things not have sorted themselves out, would've come across as a lot less vindictive. None of this was ever meant personally. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 00:53, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, I know that's where it came from. I just don't think in terms of "feuds" and I kind of pity those who do. As I already said once or twice, my only agenda comes from the fact that getting something dodgy through at FAC has been used at Josephine Butler as a justification for not changing it even when it is obviously wrong later on. As long as we avoid that we should be fine. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 00:58, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
::I understand where John is coming from, and how certain words might imply "things" we might otherwise not associate some of our loved ones with. I'm far from politically correct, but ask Cassianto to concede to a rewording in this instance. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 01:10, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

: An idea, if I may: In an article I recently wrote the term "pestilenzisch Gift entreißen" came up, the poet's description of his intentions, written in the 17th century, let's translate that as "wrest the poison of pestilence [from them]". Now I could write that he had this intention, by using quotation marks, but I could ''not'' write matter-of-factly: "He wrested the poison of pestilence from them". By this logic, I would try to avoid "committed suicide" unless clearly marked  - by quotation marks or other means - as the language of a former period. She didn't commit a crime by today's standards, even if it was one at the time. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 23:02, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
::It's a nice suggestion, Gerda, and would improve the article. It's unlikely to succeed on this occasion as Cassianto has been forthright enough to admit that he views this as part of a "feud" with me over language, which also encompasses his embarrassing ''faux pas'' at [[Talk:Josephine Butler]]. So sad. Maybe after the holiday season we can revisit it again. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 20:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:::It very nearly was a feud, but I have better things to do than argue with you. Listen, we can carry it on if you like, or you could be an adult and put it behind you, just like I have. Feel free to continue with this sanctimonious attitude if you like, but I will take no more part in it. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 20:42, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:::: Cassianto, what do you think of my 17th-century example? (From [[Zu Bethlehem geboren]]) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::[[What's that got to do with the...?|What's that got to do with the price of fish?]] '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 21:48, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::: Where is the line when older language is not suitable for 21st century encyclopedic writing? - It's hard for me to tell what language is obviously so dated that it can only be quoted but not used in a factual sentence. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:57, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Old language which was acceptable in the day, but not now, should always be used when writing about that period, regardless of political correctness. <small>oh, and ''faux pas'' or no ''faux pas'', [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutionalisation#The_mentally_ill this existed] when society didn't know what to do people with mental health problems.</small>   '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 22:05, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::: Do you understand the difference between "He described his intentions as wanting to 'wrest the poison of pestilence from them'" and me stating "He wrested the poison of pestilence from them"? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:29, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::I do.  And my opinion remains the same. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 22:47, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::Gerda, this isn't about language. Cassianto isn't nearly that stupid; he understands perfectly well why this is sub-standard. It's about a "feud"; Cassianto hates being wrong, and who doesn't? There is nothing else to be said about it for now. Our next chance to put this right might be at TFA or FAR. Until then, enjoy the holidays. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:52, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::: New Year's resolution: ask myself more often "is this about language?" - This is about images: [[User:Gerda Arendt/Christmas 2017|Happy 2018]], to you, Ceoil and Cassianto, and all, - we are all human beings, in a precious fragile environment. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::Thanks Gerda, and the same to you. And thanks Cassianto for the banter, and especially for this hilarious quote: {{tq|Old language which was acceptable in the day, but not now, should always be used when writing about that period, regardless of political correctness.}} I'll see you down at [[Nelson Mandela]], changing the language to [[kaffir (racial term)|kaffir]] throughout. If you tell 'em that, I'm sure it'll be fine. Ceoil, see you in the New Year, and we will improve the Clash. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 13:52, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

==Seasons greeting==
For what its worth, and I don't like to hold on to things. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGssYCWIV74 Here is some outstanding mid 80s post punk]. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 22:45, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
:Good to hear from you, and likewise. I'm a right grumpy bastard sometimes and I'm sorry for whatever it was I said to piss you off. I don't hold a grudge either and life's just too fucking short. I found all my Clash books recently and I seem to recall we once talked about improving ''Cut the Crap''. If we're both still casting a shadow in early 2018, that might be a thing to look at. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 22:52, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
::I'll take you grumpiness and raise you ten. I still think "This is England" is up there along with "We are the Clash". Even as a hardcore die in the wool punk more inclined towards Steve Albini and late 80s noise rock...strong melodies are not to be sniffed at. Good to hear from you too, John. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 23:42, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
:::I think there are sources there to support that. Let's look at that in January. Still got Hogmanay to negotiate first. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 00:06, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

== Friends ==

Can we be friends? --[[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C100:627F:B973:4EFE:6B:4A59|talk]]) 04:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
: I'm not really here to make friends. I can maybe help you to edit here if you want. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 04:30, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

==''[[Unlocked (Alexandra Stan album)|Unlocked]]''==
Hi there! Maybe you still know me from the FAC of the article above some time ago. I would love to see that article reach FA status sometime in the future; would you have time to work with me on ''Unlocked'' a bit? Maybe you can list some issues you found on its talk page? Best regards, [[User:Cartoon network freak|Cartoon network freak]] ([[User talk:Cartoon network freak|talk]]) 17:47, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for asking. I'll be delighted to help you early in the New Year. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 19:51, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

== Happy New Year, John! ==
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'''John''',<br />Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable [[New Year]], and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
<br />--[[User:Neve-selbert|Nev&eacute;]][[Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert|&ndash;]][[User talk:Neve-selbert|selbert]] 00:25, 1 January 2018 (UTC)<br /><br />
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Thanks a lot! The same to you. [[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 01:42, 1 January 2018 (UTC)