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# [[User_talk:Loom91/Archive 1|May 2005 &ndash; May 2006]] (Dispute over [[Chandrabindu (band)]] <br>and my blocking, among other things)
# [[User_talk:Loom91/Archive 2|June 2006 &ndash; June 2007]] (No major disputes, various editorial debates)
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== Chemical equilibrium ==
"[[J.W. Gibbs]] suggested in 1873 that equilibrium is attained when the [[chemical potential|Gibbs energy]] of the system is at its minimum value (assuming the reaction is carried out under constant pressure). What this means is, the time derivative of the Gibbs energy vanishes, signalling a [[stationary point]]. This derivative is usually called, for certain historical and technical reasons, the Gibbs energy change <nowiki><ref>Physical Chemistry by Atkins, De Paula</ref></nowiki>."

This quotation is out of context and exemplifies a fundamental misunderstanding of the subject matter. Gibbs made no reference to ''time''; indeed it is well known that thermodynamics has nothing to say regarding kinetics and ''vice versa''. Furthermore, I have searched Atkins' Physical Chemistry (Atkins and de Paula, 8th edition) and cannot find any reference to "time derivative" or "stationary point" in the chapter on equilibrium.

You are mistaken when you say expertise is not important. In a technical subject such as this it is important that editors fully understand the material they are editing.  [[User:Petergans|Petergans]] 13:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

== Your RfA ==

I'm sorry to let you know your RfA didn't succeed. I suggest you read and take to heart the opinions expressed by the participant. Many current admins did not succeed on their first tries. -- [[User:Cecropia|Cecropia]] 17:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

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== [[Joy Basu]] article ==

Hi. I came to this article as part of a link maintenance effort and have 3 comments that I left at [[Talk:Joy Basu]]:
#I replaced the external link to bayleaf.co.nr  with one to bayleaf.50webs.com. It's the same material, just a different URL. We're replacing links to co.nr with other links; for more details, see [[:meta:Talk:Spam blacklist#700 URL redirection links to clean up]].
#Even though this article survived an AfD, it still fails to meet the very specific requirements of the [[WP:BIO#Criteria for notability of people|"Criteria for notability of people"]] section of [[WP:BIO]], so I tagged it for notability. Perhaps someone can find a reference to meet the requirements.
#I was surprised to see that there appeared to be no similar article on the Bengali Wikipedia (bn.wikipedia.org); if bn.wikipedia editors have not authored an article, might that mean they don't think the subject is notable? Or maybe they just need a similar article.

Thanks, --<span style="font-family:Futura;">[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] </span> 17:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Mountains of the Moon==
I still believe you are wrong to make this move (apart from the technical method issue of course); however I will not press the point further. Since we last spoke I have come across number of such novels that have been written up as with their Engslish titles. Regards :: [[User:Kevinalewis|<span style="color: #33C;">Kevinalewis</span>]] : [[User talk:Kevinalewis|<sup style="color:#C90">(Talk Page)</sup>]]/[[User:Kevinalewis/Desk|<sub style="color:#C90">(Desk)</sub>]] 07:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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== WQA Advice regarding Integral dispute ==

'''(Copied from [[User Talk:KieferSkunk]])''' Could you advice me on what went wrong? After spending a long time here, I thought that I had learned the art of avoiding such large scale flare-ups. I also had the impression that the community was satisfied my ability of dispute resolution, since most of the objections at my RfA were because of not having enough edits yet and asking me to reapply later. In this case however, apparently editors other than KSmrq were not satisfied (to put it very mildly) with my handling of affairs. Throughout the fiasco, I had attempted to maintain civility, continue discussion strictly focused on content and to cite sources to backup my stand. What then went wrong and how can I prevent this from happening in the future? I'm looking forward to hearing your opinion. My watchlist is getting rather cluttered, so I will be grateful if you reply at my talk page. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 21:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:Hi Loom91.  Here's my response, broken into several (hopefully helpful) points:
*From the history, it appears that several editors, probably most notably KSmrq, disagreed with the contents of your more recent edits.  As KSmrq pointed out, you appeared to persist in a number of those edits, and this caused a revert war.  However, I don't see a long-standing history of controversial edits in this article, as KSmrq appears to have asserted.  So it's difficult to parse out what the root cause of the problem is.
*I don't have sufficient knowledge of the subject matter to make any sort of judgement on whose edits were right and whose were questionable.  But the pattern here seems to be that several editors have formed their own consensus on the content, and your content differs enough from theirs that they feel it's harming the article.  I think you've taken good steps to try to discuss the content there, and I have advised KSmrq against his rather dismissive comments in response.  But it appears that other editors in that debate have provided logical, reasoned responses to your proposals, so I'd suggest continuing in discussion there.
*Remember: [[WP:NOR|'''No original research!''']]  In situations like these, citing official, reliable references (primary sources, ideally) is the best way to sway others to your side of the argument.  You can reason and provide logical arguments until you're blue in the face, figuratively speaking, but a single citation from a primary source will always be much more effective.
**Of course, this applies mainly to matters of fact - when dealing with matters of style, consult the [[WP:MOS|Manual of Style]], as well as the Article Guidelines for the appropriate WikiProject (in Integral's case, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics]] should have a guidelines section to follow), and cite from these projects when necessary.

I hope this helps.  Lemme know if you have any more questions - I'll keep an eye on your User Talk for a while. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 22:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)



Hello, Loom91, I haven't been directly involved in this issue, but I've been watching it and read the talk page at Integral.  (I have some background in mathematical logic, so it was interesting to re-visit the topic as an aside while reviewing the disputes.)

Regarding your questions about what went wrong, and whether to pursue or just let it lie, to stop diverting the discussion from the content,... I think you have already answered your own question.  Unless the problem escalates from the other side, letting it lie and focusing on the article content will certainly bring you a better result.

The first thing to remember when you see an insulting comment is don't take it personally or let it get to you. Remember, editors know you by your actions.  No matter what someone says about you, if it's not true, it won't carry any weight. It's also good to go the extra mile with politeness and respect.  Over time, when editors see that's how you approach your communications, if anyone insults you, it will be obvious who is disruptive and who is collaborative.

Don't type a reply that will return to bite you later. Take a short break before you reply.  I find it can help to write a reply in a text document instead of on Wikipedia, then wait a while and re-read it before posting in case I want to make changes. Especially be careful with edit summaries because those can never be re-edited or retracted later and stay in the history forever.  

Think of it like [[Aikido]] - instead of punching back or blocking a punch, redirect the energy into something productive. 

Focus on the article and not the editors.  If someone insults you or accuses you of disruptive editing or anything else, you don't need to ignore it, but keep your response measured and peaceful.   Point it out and ask him to stop, politely and with respect.  Make it short, and then get back to discussing the topic.   Here's an example:

:::''Thank you for explaining why you reverted my edit.  Please omit the insults from your comments and focus on discussing the article.''

:::''In regards to the intro section, (etc... include content-focused comments here...)''

In making edits, keep in mind that reverting often stirs up anger because they erase the person's work.  Editing their words may be more challenging if you don't agree with their approach, but if you can figure out a way to make that work, it shows respect for what the person wrote; collaborating rather than erasing.  Use clear (and non-personal) edit summaries that are not too short - use as many words as it takes to explain your changes, that can fit in the summary box.  If an edit has been contested previously, discuss before changing it again.  

Regarding the dispute on the actual content, it will be difficult for you to make progress with your ideas if you stand alone and multiple editors don't accept your approach.  Ultimately, conensus will make that determination.  If you think the others are wrong but they are not open to discussing your view, you might need to attract more editors to create a new consensus, perhaps by inviting others from related topics, or from the mathematics Wikiprojects.  

I recommend reviewing [[WP:CONSENSUS]],  [[WP:BRD]] and [[WP:CIVIL]]. I re-read those pages sometimes even though I already know them well, and find something of value each time.

You probably already know most of what I mentioned, but I hope some of it is helpful.  Good luck. --[[User:Parzival418|Parzival418]] [[User talk:Parzival418|<sub>Hello</sub>]] 23:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

:Loom: In response to your most recent comment in my Talk Page: I suggested that you go back to RfC and ask editors there to come back and revisit the issue. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 19:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I replied again on my own Talk page, but at this point I'm going to officially bow out of the discussion.  It doesn't seem I can do anything more to facilitate discussion here.  But I will say this: It appears that you're up against multiple editors, including several who are no longer actively editing that article due to the recent disputes.  KSmrq seems to be the most outspoken against you personally, but other editors are also reverting your edits and calling them into question.  It appears that you're going against current [[WP:CON|consensus]] (I asked the other editors to clarify what the consensus is), and without going through RfC or mediation, I doubt there's more you can do to sway consensus your direction at this time.  I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help, but this is beyond the scope of what I can help with now.  Good luck. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 21:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== [[Joy Basu]] ==

I have restored the article and removed the unsourced material.  If you are actually the son of Joy Basu, editing this article except to remove vandalism is likely a violation of the [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] policy that prohibits articles being edited by people with close relationships to the subject. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 22:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Just should point out. This is a misstatement of the COI policy.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.2.101.220|81.2.101.220]] ([[User talk:81.2.101.220|talk]]) 00:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Note that content without specific support in the references has been removed (I don't fully agree with this, but I am not going to edit war over it). If you can find references for other contort, it can be added back in. Given the COI issues, i suggest that you consider adding any such content and supporting citations to the talk page. Note that there is no need for references to be available online: {{tl|Cite news}} can be used to cite news articles not online, as can the more general {{tl|citation}}. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

(''Copied from [[User:DESiegel]]'')
::CBM insists that I can't mention Joy Basu's play unless I give a source. While this is technically within policy, I do not understand the point. There is nothing remotely negative about claiming someone wrote a play that has been performed by a mainstream theater group, and it would be extremely difficult to get sources (I will have to go to physical newspaper archives and hunt for reviews). Why does he insist upon contesting such a non-controversial assertion? This is not covered by BLP. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 08:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:::You could ask me about it, rather than asking someone else to interpret my actions. Are you saying that no reference at all exists for the play, not even a published manuscript or published review? &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 13:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::::I can't say why CBM has taken this position, as he says, you would do best to ask him. I agree that this is '''not''' required by BLP, although a strict interpretation of [[WP:V]] does support his actions.  I take it from your statements above that published sources exist, but are not online, and would be some trouble to find citations for? I advise you, if you think the info is worth having in the article, that -- when you have a chance -- you go to those archives and find the date and other info for any published review, and then use {{tl|cite news}} to cite it. Or if you have, say a program from a performance, use {{tl|citation}} to cite that as a source. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::You can Ccite a program, or any other published work, using {{tl|citation}} Specifically, you would, after the sentance mentioning that the play had been perfomred, put something like the following:

  <nowiki><ref>{{Citation| | last =<Last name of suthor of the program, ommit if none listed>  | first = <Firstname of suthor of the program, ommit if none listed>  | date = <date program was published>  | year = <year program was published if exact date not known>  | title = <Title of program. Use "Program for PLAY NAME" if no separate title> | publisher = <Organization or entity that published the program. probsably the theater group>}} </ref></nowiki> 

:::::I would advise you to fiond and add a citation to a newspaper review when you have time. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Trampoline articles ==

As you set up those templates, you may be interested in the general discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/Introduction to general relativity]], where a trampoline article is up for featured status. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 12:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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== Newton's second law ==

Hi Loom91. I have had a look at K&K and as far as I can see they do not make the argument that you attribute to them in your recent edit to [[Newton's laws of motion]]. I see them explaining carefully how to avoid common mistakes in using Newton II for rockets etc, but I can't find a place where they claim that Newton's laws apply only to fixed mass particles. If I have missed this please give chapter & verse. They ''do'' explicitly state that the momentum version of the law is the most fundamental one. You also reverted to text which suggests that the only valid case where mass should be taken as variable is in relativity theory. I think this is wrong again, and for sure the discussion of SR at [[Newton's laws]] is wrong, as it applies only if the force is parallel to the velocity. One option would be to give a full explanation on that page, but it would interrupt the development of the classical theory of Newton's laws. The relativistic case is fully discussed at [[special relativity]] and also at [[force]], so I don't see why [[Newton's laws]] could not just say "For motions near the [[speed of light]], Newton's second law is modified according to the [[special theory of relativity]]." What do you think? [[User:PaddyLeahy|PaddyLeahy]] 11:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

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==You are a bully==

You are a specially nasty and uncooperative individual.  I am leaving Wikipedia, there is no pleasure when it is haunted by people such as you.  [[User:Geometer|Geometer]] 14:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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== Do you understand Minkowski spacetime? ==

Loom91 -

I have been wondering about the source of the statement in [[Introduction to special relativity]] that Minkowski spacetime is [[curvature|curved]], or to be more specific, that is has a [[hyperbolic geometry]].  I found it in [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Introduction_to_special_relativity&diff=prev&oldid=147912169 this diff], and ''you'' are the culprit.

It is is said that "a little knowledge is dangerous".  You are correct that the change of sign creates a non-Euclidean geometry.  However, if you had read that article which is still cited in that section more carefully, you would find that Minkowski spacetime is considered to be "pseudo-Euclidean" geometry.  It truly lacks curvature.

There is also the matter of the statements in that the metric for a "coordinate system" in a 2D Euclidean space is d''s''² = d''x''² + d''y''².  This only applies to [[Cartesian coordinate system]]s, and I have edited the article accordingly.  I do not know if you are the source of that mistake and if not I apologize, but with that said please let me continue.  You need to be aware that an infinite number of coordinate systems can be overlaid on any [[manifold]] (such as a Euclidean space), and each one has its own [[metric tensor|metric]].  For example, in [[polar coordinates]], the metric becomes d''s''² = d''r''² + r² d''θ''².  It is still the same space, but the relationship between coordinate intervals and an increment of distance has changed.

Let's just say that if you and Geometer want to discuss Minkowski spacetime, then the least that you can do is to discuss it correctly!

If you are like others in cyberspace, the "91" in your ID is your birth year.  That would mean that you are only 16 years old.  This is not to say that you cannot understand this stuff, but you are still putting the pieces together and lack a sense of perspective that comes with time.  That sense of perspective is why Timb'''66''' and myself (ems'''57'''fcva) do not like the current use of Minkowski spacetime in the article being discussed, even though we are well aware of it and its significance, and (at least in my case) have also had our understanding of SR improved by being introduced to it.  --[[User:ems57fcva|EMS]] | [[User_talk:ems57fcva|Talk]] 15:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

== hi there looms ==

hi just wanted to stop bye and comment on ur contribution on the sarod article. Its true many would agree Allauddin Khan was the greatest teacher, many wont!! so to say allauddin khan is universally the greatest is inappropriate. you have to remember that in music, especially in Indian classical music NOTHING is objective! On a personal level I belive Allauddin Khan was definately the greatest, but many have contradicted me. I personally have learned from his son ALi Akbar khan. also to add that amjad ali and ali akbar khan are the most well known........................well maybe Amjad ali khan, definately not Ali akbar khan. during my travels in India with my sarod in the Indian trains, people would ask me are u studying from amjad ali khan???? I'd respond by saying no from Buddhadev das gupta and now ALi Akbar KHan, out of all the people no one would know who ali akbar khan is, or for that matter buddhadev das gupta or rajiv taranath. So with the intent to keep wikipedia as objective as posible i did remove the statement regarding ali akbar khan, allauddin khan and amjad. Please donot take this personally. I furthur want to expand the article, focusing on the instrument itself and not the players. I'm sure you may have contributions in that light.
thanks
Liam  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.215.253.65|24.215.253.65]] ([[User talk:24.215.253.65|talk]]) 16:16, 3 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== S. Ray film title moves ==

I was wondering if there were some prior and existing consensus for the moves? I'm just a bit confused, since the moves seem to contradict the [[WP:NCF|naming conventions for films]]. I'd be grateful if you could get me up to date, though. Many thanks, [[User:Girolamo Savonarola|Girolamo Savonarola]] ([[User talk:Girolamo Savonarola|talk]]) 05:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

: The naming convention says "Use the title more commonly recognized by English readers". Ray's movies are most commonly known by their original titles (spelled in the Roman alphabet), even among English speakers. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] ([[User talk:Loom91#top|talk]]) 18:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

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The '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Outreach/Newsletter June 2008|June 2008 issue]]''' of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published.  You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link.  Thank you. <font face="Lucida Fax" color="gold">[[User:SteveBot|SteveBot]] [[User:Steve Crossin|(owner)]]</font> 02:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== Introduction to systolic geometry ==

The article [[introduction to systolic geometry]] was recently edited by you.  I reverted your edit for reasons detailed at the discussion page of the article. [[User:Katzmik|Katzmik]] ([[User talk:Katzmik|talk]]) 11:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

:Hi, I wanted to mention that I don't really understand your stated impression of this introductory article.  Certainly the isoperimetric inequality was already known to the ancient Greeks (probably also to the ancient Hindus).  It appears that your comment that "not a word" of the article could be understood, is somewhat exaggerated.  If you let me know which part of it you find confusing I can try to help.  Thanks for your interest in the page, at any rate.  [[User:Katzmik|Katzmik]] ([[User talk:Katzmik|talk]]) 10:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

==Calling all active [[WP:NOVELS]] members==
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[[WP:NOVELS|WikiProject Novels]] is currently holding a roll call, which we hope to have annually.  Your username is listed on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Members|members list]], but we are unsure as to which editors are still active within the project.  If you still consider yourself an active WP:Novels editor, please add your name back to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Members#Active members|'''Active Members''']] list.  Also feel free to join any of our [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels#Task_forces|'''task forces''']] and take a look at the project's '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/JobCentre|Job Centre]]''' to get involved!<p><p><p>

Next month we will begin the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Coordinators|coordinator election]] selection process.  We hope to have more involvement and input this time around!  More news will be forthcoming.  Thanks, everyone! <span style="font-family:verdana">[[User:Yllosubmarine|María]] </span><small>([[User talk:Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">habla</span>]] con[[Special:Contributions/Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">migo</span>]])</small> 18:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
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==WikiProject Novels Newsletter - September 2008==
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* The [[Margaret Atwood]] novel ''[[The Penelopiad]]'' reached [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Penelopiad|Featured Article status]] on June 29 and then appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 26, 2008|Today's featured article]] on August 26. It is the first article created through [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation]] to become Featured.
*''[[To Kill a Mockingbird]]'' appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 11, 2008|Today's featured article]] on July 11.
*''[[I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings]]'' reached Good Article status on July 1. 
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* The members list is currently under review so we have moved all past active member's name to a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Members#Incumbent|Incumbent List]] and are doing a '''Project Roll Call'''. If you still consider yourself an active [[WP:NOVELS]] editor, please add your name back to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Members#Active_members|Active Members List]]. You may also wish to add your name to any of our many [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels#Task_forces|Project Task Forces]].
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* A [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Fantasy_Literature|Fantasy Literature]] task force has been proposed. Comments are welcomed on that proposal since we already have our own [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Fantasy task force|WikiProject Novels/Fantasy task force]] which is covered under our Novels WikiProject. 
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* ''[[Devil May Care (novel)|Devil May Care]]'', written by [[Sebastian Faulks]] ("writing as Ian Fleming"), has become [[Penguin Books]] fastest selling hardcover fiction title. It is the latest installment in the book series about British secret agent [[James Bond]] and was released to coincide with the 100th anniversary of late Bond creator [[Ian Fleming]]'s birthday on May 28, 1908.
* ''Me Cheeta: the Autobiography'', written by a [[ghostwriter]], is the autobiography of [[Cheeta]] the Chimp who is listed in the [[Guinness World Records]] as the oldest recorded non-human primate at the age of 76. He has appeared in various movie roles which included twelve [[Tarzan]] movies and even battled addiction to alcohol and cigars. The book is not published until October 1, but judges for the 2008 [[Guardian First Book Award]] were sent a early version and were so impressed that they have included it on the 10-strong longlist.
* [[Stephenie Meyer]], who is listed by [[Time magazine]] as one of its 100 most influential people of 2008, has decided not to continue with writing her draft for ''[[Midnight Sun (novel)|Midnight Sun]]'' after 12 chapters of the unfinished manuscript were leaked on the internet.
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* [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_August_25#Category:Fictional_double_agents|Categories for Discussion]] has a series of discussions about whether to categorize certain specific types of fictional characters: double agents, dictators, characters with [[eidetic memory]], etc. Advice from any Novels project members would be valuable in assisting them.
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Media franchises|WikiProject Media franchises]] aims to help editors with the coordination of articles within the thousands of media franchises which exist and has requested input from our members. They are currently [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Media franchises#Naming convention?|discussing a naming convention]] for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in our Novel project, they would like to get opinions before implimenting any changes.
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With the Newsletter being almost three months overdue, I have decided to take on the position of Editor to make sure it reaches you regularly on time each month. The Newsletter is meant to inspire and encourage our team of Editors and so my goal shall be to make it informative and interesting each issue. 

We now have many positions vacant in our Project Team, so we are looking for members who have the time and interest to take on the various roles, details of which can be found at the '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/JobCentre|Job Centre]]'''. Shortly a Coordinator nominations notice shall also be sent out to all members, which will commence the annual Coordinator selection process.

Next month's Newsletter will include a message from our Coordinator [[User:Yllosubmarine|Maria]], who will introduce herself and speak on our forthcoming elections for extra Coordinators.

[[User:Boylo|Boylo]] ([[User talk:Boylo|talk]]), Editor<br/>
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* This month's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/Collaboration|Collaboration]] has been selected by popular vote and is <br>'''''[[Look Homeward, Angel]]'''''. <br> The next collaboration is due for selection on 14 September, 2008 so cast your [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Collaboration#Candidates|vote]].
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Our last newsletter's challenge '''''[[The Pure Land]]''''' was completed by our member [[User:Maclean25|Maclean25]], who also provided us with tipline news for this newsletter. 
* The first person to start the article is mentioned in the next newsletter. This month's article is Leslie Ann Moore's first book in her fantasy 'Griffin's Daughter' trilogy, which was named by the Independent Book Publishers Association as the 2008 Ben Franklin Award winner for Best First Fiction, '''''[[Griffin's Daughter]]'''''. <br>''Note: This article was previously deleted due to lack of notability, but that now can be established since winning this award.''
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== [[Newton's laws of motion#Open systems]] ==

By digging through the revision history of that page, I found out that it was you that added than block. But is is a verbatim quote? If so, the phrase "in ''An Introduction to Mechanics'' by Kleppner and Kolenkow and other modern texts" is confusing. We should write "in several modern texts", and then add a cite at the end of the quotation (e. g. with the {{tl|quote}} template). If it isn't a quote, on the other hand, it shouldn't be indented. --<span style="font-family: monospace; font-weight: 600; color: #00F; background-color: #FFF; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Army1987|A r m y 1 9 8 7 ! ]][[User talk:Army1987|! ]][[Special:Contributions/Army1987|! ]]</span> 10:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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