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i believe the picture of the supports at ladyshore bleach works are actually the remains of a railway bridge, as me and my brother found bolts and line remants after a little searching around. also on an old map i have it show a bridge called "owl bridge" which appears to enter a tunnel on the steep embankment. on the other side of the river is an old gas lamp and some stone steps covered in undergrowth. 
by the way whats the story with you and the cathedral steps?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.67.35.137|79.67.35.137]] ([[User talk:79.67.35.137|talk]]) 23:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Manchester Cathedral steps ==

Thanks for your message on my talk page. I'm not an admin - just someone who hates seeing peoples' hard work damaged by vandals. I found your article interesting and informative - which is just what Wikipedia should be. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 17:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)



Thanks for the support Duncan! [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 17:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:I think your idea about contactimg Manchester Library is a good one - they may well have a variety of archive material which could be used to expand the article. Have you ever found a website called "Subterranea Brittanica"? It has lots of info on "Underground Britain" (mines, defence bunkers, old railway tunnels etc) - and is often linked from Wikipedia as a source for articles. I'll have a look on it to see if there is any info on the Cathedral Steps. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 17:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::Excellent idea Duncan, yes I've seen the site and the fascinating images of the underground canal.  By the way I'm only used to editing wiki pages so if I stuff up the formatting of this page, please forgive me :)  Could you advise me though, how do I report instances of vandalism such as have occured, and is it the admin's job to flag these instances on that user's talk page?  [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 17:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:To report Vandalism go to [[Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism]] and follow the instructions there. Before reporting to that page, the vandal should (normally) have received Warnings on their talk page. You can find information about which warnings to use here [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace]]. Any editor can warn a vandal to stop - and any editor can make a report to the Admin Intervention page. I'm adding a welcome box for you on this page - it has some really useful links to help you find your way about Wikipedia. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 18:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::Superb Duncan thank you very much for that help.  I sometimes find the formatting tools in Wikipedia quite daunting, and have to keep looking at other people's pages to understand how it all goes together! [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 18:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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== Manchester Cathedral Steps again ==

I've got the page on my watchlist, and if the vandalism continues I shal request semi-protection for it. Semi-protection would stop unregistered users editing it - and all the vandalism has been from unregistered users. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 23:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:My thoughts exactly.  I'm only surprised they haven't vandalised my other contributions. [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 00:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

::There isn't always much rhyme or reason to the actions of vandals - though reading through the forum on one of the links suggests something of a "secret knowledge" attitude amongst some of the people there. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 00:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:::This is exactly the attitude I encountered - they're not doing this for the benefit of others, they're doing it basically to impress themselves and their friends, and to brag about their exploits.  When I joined up and asked politely where the tunnels were, my posts were removed and I was subsequently banned.  Thats why they hate the wiki article, it reveals to a wider audience things that they'd rather only a select few were aware of.  They won't even allow anybody on that forum to reveal their location, in case the council find out and stop them from getting in.  Personally I'm happy for that to happen, if only to reduce the risk of vandalism. [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 00:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

::::And now it would appear that one has tried a different tactic, by suggesting on the discussion page that the steps are discussed in other wikis.  Not any I've found. [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 22:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, I just saw that - but it would not make any difference to there being an article on WP even if htere are articles elsewhere. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 22:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

=== speedy deletion tag ===
Just so you know, 89.242.25.157 has tagged the article for [[WP:CSD|speedy deletion]] [[User:Pit-yacker|Pit-yacker]] 14:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks for the heads up and the contributions.  I have edited his/her talk page and asked him to elaborate.  I very much doubt he/she will. [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 16:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== British Canal photos... ==

Hi, Thank you uploading your recent images of British canals. It would be much appreciated if you would consider also uploading them to Wikimedia Commons ( a repository for free media and images) so that other projects can make use of them. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] 12:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:Thank you mate - excuse an amateur, but could you provide a brief description on how I do that? I have many more images of the canals, nearly all from my bike rides.  [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 12:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

::Go to [[Commons:Commons:Upload/en]] create an account and start upload as you would on en.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 13:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Thank you, I have uploaded a few images already.  Its a little bit convoluted, it would be nice just for Wiki to transfer the images automatically but I'm quite happy to do this :)  You can see what I've added here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Parrot_of_Doom  [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 13:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

==Wet Earth Pit==
I have put a reply to your question on the talk page... regards Phil......[[User:Geotek|Geotek]] 23:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:If you contact Alan at the Salford Mining museum - Buile Hill - I am sure he will be able to help you with all the underground stuff. I went down before the HSE put the no access order on the adits with the Salford Underground Group.......good luck....Phil [[User:Geotek|Geotek]] 01:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks.  I've uploaded a few here, for which I have permission http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wet_Earth_Colliery [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 09:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Manchester Cathedral Steps again....again! ==

Good work on expanding the article and adding references. Just to let you know, a new editor called [[User:Userscott|Userscott]] has edited the article, basically just duplicating sections. I reverted his edits, and left a message on his talk page, where he claimed to have added new info, and to have been doen the tunnels. I pointed out that he had added nothing new, just duplicated existing info, and pointed out to him that I am familiar with the vandalism on the article. He then blanked his talk page (but of course you can read what was there by clicking the "history" tab). Anyway, I see that one of the "28 days later" users is also called Userscott. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 22:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

:userscott was one of the two people who entered the stages.  I don't think any of them quite understand the purpose of Wikipedia.  I didn't create the page so they could big themselves up :/  [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 22:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

::28 Days Later doesn't appear to be a community dedicated to spreading knowledge to the world.... more an "insiders' club". [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 22:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
:::A shame really.  They banned me for no apparent reason.  I've looked at his edits and I can't really make head nor tale of them.  Perhaps hes just getting used to the site, and will contribute later. [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 22:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
===Thomas Cook image===
Hi again!  I added the image from Thomas Cook to [[Manchester Exchange railway station]] as I thought it might be useful for illustrating that.  I assume given the licence and the fact that the image is over 100 years old (thus out of copyright???) this is ok with Thomas Cook? [[User:Pit-yacker|Pit-yacker]] 14:27, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

:Yes mate, they've given their permission for it to be used under the creative commons licence so its absolutely fine :) [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 17:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

== References ==

If you want to use a reference multiple times:
<br>On the first use of the reference in text you just define it as normal, with the exception that you give it a name. eg.:
<br> <nowiki><ref name="The Dictionary">reference details</ref></nowiki>
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<br>(compare with the "usual form" for a single reference - <nowiki><ref>reference details</ref></nowiki>)

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<br>Hope this makes things a little clearer [[User:Pit-yacker|Pit-yacker]] 23:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

:Ah, I always forget to go for a slash :)  That was what I missed! [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 23:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

==Image:MBB canal map.gif==

How did you get this image released under CC-BY-SA-3.0?[[User:Geni|Geni]] 00:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

:Hiya.  I spoke to the author of the image, Alan Taylor, and he gave his permission for it to be used.  Did I use an incorrect licence? [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 08:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

::What was the exact wording of the permission?[[User:Geni|Geni]] 09:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

:::"Not a problem" - I can clarify it with him if you like - I'll send him a link to the licence.  [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 10:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Yes you need to explictly get it released under a license and idealy an email sent to permissions@wikimedia.org.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 13:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Hm, well all he said in his email was 'not a problem' when I asked him if it was ok to use the image for 'strictly non-commercial reasons' (from my pov that is - of course the licence allows the image to be used for commercial purposes - I've told him that and he hasn't objected).  I have included his email address in the image for anyone to double check.  [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 13:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::Wordings like 'strictly non-commercial reasons' are kinda dicey. That is why it is best to get something sent to permissions@wikimedia.org who know rather more about what wordings of permissions are ok.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 15:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Righty I'll fire off an email just to be sure. [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 16:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

==Canal Icons==
Hi. I have left a response to your question on my talk page. It seems a bit easier to follow that way. [[User:Bob1960evens|Bob1960evens]] 16:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
: Well done on the dock icon. Unfortuately, the docks and wharfs use a different naming convention, without the 'u', and I was hoping to get some agreement to change the names before all the green ones were created. Oh well, never mind! [[User:Bob1960evens|Bob1960evens]] 19:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
::Hi. I have just noticed your comment about feeders, overflows, etc, on my talk page, so sorry for the delay in replying. I agree it would be useful to have some icons, as I needed one for the Chasewater feeder on the [[Wyrley and Essington Canal]] map, and more recently on the [[Stover Canal]] map. My instinct would be to use a thinner line (40 or 50 pixels instead of 100) and to use the light blue colour. Do you think it needs airing more widely before we jump? [[User:Bob1960evens|Bob1960evens]] 17:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

:::I doubt anyone would have any problems, and I agree with your suggestion.  I'll have a play this week if I get chance.  I'm not technically well up on Illustrator (I'm more a Potatoshop person).  There are loads of icons to be 'invented', for instance an icon with a JCB superimposed for an area under restoration :) [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 22:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Hi. I haven't heard from you, so I have created a right handed feeder ''BSicon_uFEEDERr'': [[Image:BSicon ueJCTnl.svg|20px]] and a right handed feeder reservoir ''BSicon_uRESRr'': [[Image:BSicon_uRESRr.svg|20px]]. I'll try them out on the Grantham Canal map, and add the rest if they look ok. The reservoir originally had a much bigger blue bit, but although it looked find in inkscape, Wiki showed it as a peculiar shape. I'm not sure of the contrast between the dam and the water, either. [[User:Bob1960evens|Bob1960evens]] 18:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
::::I've had another go, and altered the shape of the reservoir. [[User:Bob1960evens|Bob1960evens]] 18:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Sorry I've been away working, the icons look great.  I'm just a bit busy travelling right now but I will pay attention to these icons and try and help [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 18:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

== tidbits ==

The Viaduct originally carried the Manchester, Bury & Rossendale Railway line from 28 September 1846 and had become a component of the East Lancashire Railway on 21 July 1845.  The line was abandoned in the 1970's.  The line to Bury closed on 5 December 1961.

http://books.google.com/books?id=2yAwAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA566&lpg=PA566&dq=manchester+bury+and+bolton+canal+and+rly+1831+1+%26+2+%22will+4%22&source=web&ots=s6Y7NnGBfb&sig=S0OS8KS7Flt35tBaX2DUcRiFC7o#PPA565,M1

http://books.google.com/books?id=W20DAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA480&dq=bolton+canal#PPA480,M1

http://books.google.com/books?id=KDktAAAAMAAJ&q=bury+canal&dq=bury+canal&pgis=1

0161 930 5813 mr kingham


a monk & co ltd - contractor for m62 - j16-j17

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Hello, the above template is the standard welcome of the project, but wanted to make a personal welcome to you into the project too! Hopefully as a team we can get some of these canal articles upto the highest of standards. Don't forget you can add '''<nowiki>{{User WP Greater Manchester}}</nowiki>''' to your userpage to indicate your usership! We look forwards to working with you!
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== Pilkington's Lancastrian Pottery ==

Hi, just looked at your talk page and noticed you'd put up the the Pilkington's stub. I don't know much about it myself, other than where it is (I live just near the top of Rainsough) but I did recently find some web links and put them on the page. You may find them useful if you want to develop it a bit more. One of them is for the Pilkington's Lancastrian Pottery Society - maybe if you contacted them, someone would be willing to write something for the article. [[User:Richerman|Richerman]] 22:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:Cool thanks, I might try that.  Trouble is most people are scared of Wikipedia :) [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 22:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You could ask them to write something that you would put on for them. I would have thought they would be keen on a bit of free publicity for their society. [[User:Richerman|Richerman]] 00:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

==WPGM Newsletter - November 2007==
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== Manchester Geographical Society ==

with your interest in canals I think you will find [http://www.mangeogsoc.org.uk/egm.htm this] interesting as it has a paper on the MBB canal. Also the paper on Urban floodplains and slopes has a fair bit about Clifton and the surrounding area. [[User:Richerman|Richerman]] 19:04, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, Paul Hindle is a member of the canal society and very knowledgeable about these things, I've referenced some of his work in the article :) [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 16:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== Canals of Oldham ==

Hello Parrot of Doom!

I just wondered if you have any knowledge about canals and waterways in Oldham? I'm trying to push the [[Oldham]] article towards [[WP:GA|the good article standard]] and I'm keen to expand the ''"Transport"'' section a little. I know the [[Rochdale Canal]] passes through nearby [[Chadderton]] but I really have no idea about any others. 

Do you have any pointers or advise? Hope so! <span style="color:blue;font-size:larger;font-family: Arial;">-- [[User:Jza84|Jza84]] '''·''' ([[User_talk:Jza84|talk]])</span> 13:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

:Hi there.  You could try a search on the [[Hollinwood Branch Canal]], currently disused but has a society who are trying to get it restored.  [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 16:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for the tip!... It seems strange that a town of Oldham's size only had this one canal! However, I've added a note to the article about it none-the-less!

::You mentioned something about meeting up to go through the MEN material. I've wondered if there should be a [[Wikipedia:Meetup|Manchester Meetup]] for the project at somepoint down the line anyway!... (there was one [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Manchester|proposed last year]])... though I'm not normally one to meet people over the net!!!! I suppose it depends on the avaliability of the volume as you say, as well as if any other of the Gtr Mcr project folks request any other editions.

::If you do want to go ahead though, I'm available to e-mail via my userpage (look down the lefthand side of the page under the search box to the toolbox) where it says "E-mail this user". Hope that helps!... congrats on the Barnstar btw too! <span style="color:blue;font-size:larger;font-family: Arial;">-- [[User:Jza84|Jza84]] '''·''' ([[User_talk:Jza84|talk]])</span> 16:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

== For you... ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I noticed that nobody has awarded you with a barnstar yet! I think it is long overdue for all your work on Wikipedia and even your [http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/actsbefore1988/ petition] for information accessible to all and most of all your contributions to the [[WP:MANC|Greater Manchester Project]]. <sub>└</sub><sup>'''[[User:And-Rew|<span style="color:#0084C9;">and-rew</span>]]'''</sup><sub>┘</sub><sup>┌</sup><sub>''[[User talk:And-Rew|<span style="color:#0084C9;">talk</span>]]''</sub><sup>┐</sup> 03:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
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:Ooo thanks :)  How do I put that in my profile? [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] 13:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
::Just copy and paste it to where you want it. <sub>└</sub><sup>'''[[User:And-Rew|<span style="color:#0084C9;">and-rew</span>]]'''</sup><sub>┘</sub><sup>┌</sup><sub>''[[User talk:And-Rew|<span style="color:#0084C9;">talk</span>]]''</sub><sup>┐</sup> 18:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

==December Newsletter, Issue III==
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Greater Manchester/Newsletter/December 2007}}

== WPGM help ==

I am having trouble with the "sign up as a participant" page. Can you help me? [[User:Basketball110|Basketball110]] ([[User talk:Basketball110|talk]]) 22:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I didn't get how to fill in the text that I copied onto the participants page. I ended up writing it in, but it didn't get in the table. My name is there, but there isn't the correct place. If you go to the participants page, you'll see what I mean. [[User:Basketball110|Basketball110]] ([[User talk:Basketball110|talk]]) 02:03, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. [[User:Basketball110|Basketball110]] ([[User talk:Basketball110|talk]]) 02:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

== January Newsletter, Issue IV  ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Greater Manchester/Newsletter/January 2008}}


==Notability of [[:John Nightingale]]==
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== [[Safe Speed]] revert [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Safe_Speed&diff=188522329&oldid=188471970] ==

You changed -

''"While many road safety campaigns are registered charities or limited companies, Safe Speed is not, if it became a charity it would render it-self unable to be political. (see government requirements on becoming a charity)."''

to

''"While many road safety campaigns are registered charities or limited companies, Safe Speed is a political organisation and therefore does not pursue charity status due to government requirements."''

without providing a reference. I reverted the change - [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Safe_Speed&diff=prev&oldid=188471970] stating -

''"Undid revision 188463526 by Parrot of Doom (talk). See [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]]"''

You reverted my revert stating -

''"Undid revision 188471970 not sure why you undid my revision, it certainly read better than the previous edits which were massively biased in favour of SafeSpeed.)"''

The reason would have become clear had you read [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]]. Please explain why you think it doesn't apply in this case. To keep the conversation together, please reply here. -- John <span class="plainlinks" style="font-family: Verdana; font-variant: small-caps; font-size: 11px; text-align: center;">([[User:Daytona2|Daytona2]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>  [[User talk:Daytona2|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>  [[Special:Contributions/Daytona2|Contribs]])</span> 19:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:It isn't that the citing sources isn't relevant (heaven knows I've added enough requests for them to that article) but that the previous changes had basically turned a reasonably unbiased article into a mouthpiece for Safespeed.  I have sympathies with their view but I didn't think the changes were at all fair, or grammatically well done, so I tidied things up - I would have preferred the line to have been modified to contain a request for a source, or deleted, not all my edits reverted. [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] ([[User talk:Parrot of Doom#top|talk]]) 02:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
::OK maybe I was too trigger happy, my apologies. I saw a bald and potentially controversial statement and reacted. I disagree that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Safe_Speed&diff=188371598&oldid=187506674 previous changes] made it a mouthpiece for SS, but yes better integration could have been achieved. btw - on another point, the ''"(or better, half the distance)"'' is explained here [http://www.safespeed.org.uk/background.html] - ''"For single track roads and some overtaking you must be able to stop comfortably within half the distance that you know to be clear."''. Do you have a reference for the ''"political organisation"'' statment ? -- John <span class="plainlinks" style="font-family: Verdana; font-variant: small-caps; font-size: 11px; text-align: center;">([[User:Daytona2|Daytona2]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>  [[User talk:Daytona2|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>  [[Special:Contributions/Daytona2|Contribs]])</span> 18:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid I don't have a reference for the political organisation bit, I was just cleaning up material that user Safespeed had inserted.  To be honest the entire article annoys me, it seems to be a place for people on either side to argue, rather than an unbiased article for your average reader to consume.  I'm a member of the Safespeed forums but I try my best to outline both sides of the argument (I'm also a cyclist an a successful IAM examinee) [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] ([[User talk:Parrot of Doom#top|talk]]) 21:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

==Collieries==

Thanks for your note, the problem here is that unlike the other coal fields, Lancashire had its own terminology. A colliery was a complex cosisting of one or more pits. The Mine Inspectors reports give the pit and only in odd cases the colliery (they give the owner of the pit instead). So the collieries you mention may well have their pits in my list. I will have to dig (pardon the pun) and find out which pits were at those collieries. BTW a mine in Lancashire was the the name given to a seam so a pit worked several mines (eg the Cannel, Five Foot or the Doe). Anyway you've given me something to think on.... take care  Phil aka [[User:Geotek|Geotek]] ([[User talk:Geotek|talk]]) 19:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==[[Grade II* listed buildings in Greater Manchester]]==
There seems to be a bit of confusion over the Grade II and Grade II* buildings. 3 of the 4 buildings you added are in fact only Grade II (I've not checked the pack horse bridge). A good indicator of their status is to check a building's record on [http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/quicksearch/default.aspx Images of England], although in some cases it is out of date and a source directly from the council would be good to double check. The IoE website is a bit confusing to begin with, but it helps if you know something about what you're looking for, such as the road name; for some reason it won't let you search all Grade II* LBs in Greater Manchester, that would make too much sense. Thanks for the effort, but just be a bit more careful next time. [[User:Nev1|Nev1]] ([[User talk:Nev1|talk]]) 14:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

:Actually I've been using the [[Grade I listed buildings in Greater Manchester|Grade I page]] as a template for the Grade II* page. A Grade II page may be impractical as there are about 3,500 of them! [[User:Nev1|Nev1]] ([[User talk:Nev1|talk]]) 15:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

==[[Clifton railway station]]==
Ah, you beat me to it. I was going to add an image too, but taken from the platform looking back at the bridge. [[User:Paypwip|paypwip]] ([[User talk:Paypwip|talk]]) 18:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== GM station pix ==

Hi!  Only just noticed your note at the GM stations matrix at [[User:Hassocks5489/GM]].  At the moment, I have just included all stations currently in use within the GMPTE boundaries.   Closed/disused stations may be something to think about longer-term.  Cheers, [[User:Hassocks5489|Hassocks5489]] ([[User talk:Hassocks5489|talk]]) 12:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== Hello again ==

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Will the Greater Manchester newsletter continue? [[User:Basketball110|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#00BFFF;">Basketball</span>]][[User talk:Basketball110|<span style="color:#FF8C00;">110</span>]] [[User:Basketball110/Vandal|<small><sub><span style="color:#E6E6FA;">will you sign?</span></sub></small>]] ♣ 16:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

== March Newsletter, Issue V ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Greater Manchester/Newsletter/March 2008}}

== Re: camera ==

Sure; I can probably call round there either Thursday evening or over the weekend. The only problem is, I can't see where the canal is on that image. I know that there's a bit of canal at the river, just to the side of the Water Street bridge, but I can't see it any further north than that... [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] ([[User talk:Mike Peel|talk]]) 10:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
: Sorry for the delay: photos are at [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Manchester#Manchester.2C_Bolton_and_Bury_Canal]. I'll try to keep revisiting the site, taking more / better photos. [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] ([[User talk:Mike Peel|talk]]) 21:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== WP:GM Newsletter ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Greater Manchester/Newsletter/April 2008}}

== Kearsley Power Station and Stoneclough Photos ==

Hi there I added some text to the Kearsley Power Station page that I've referenced from a local history book I have on the area.

Also thanks for adding the pictures to the Stoneclough page, I've been meaning to add some more and your one of the stocks is great.
I have a question about the 'Pack horse bridge' photo on there though, do you mean that to be a photo of the bridge in Ringley or a photo of the bridge at nob end?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jamman|Jamman]] ([[User talk:Jamman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jamman|contribs]]) 16:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== [[WP:GM|Greater Manchester WikiProject]] Newsletter ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Greater Manchester/Newsletter/May 2008}}

==Canal Icons==
Hi, I have moved nearly all of the Icons for canal descriptions from en:Wikipedia to Commons, but am left with ugWBRUCKE, which is one of yours. The umlaut screws up Commons helper, and so I wondered if you would mind uploading it to Commons, as all the licencing gets tricky if I do it. Thanks. [[User:Bob1960evens|Bob1960evens]] ([[User talk:Bob1960evens|talk]]) 14:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== June Newsletter, Issue VIII ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Greater Manchester/Newsletter/June 2008}}

== Re: Manchester, Bolton and Bury Canal ==

Hi, the article is getting there, but still needs more references added. I would recommend holding off on renominating it until at the very least, every paragraph has a reference at the end of them. This is, of course, not mandatory, but it would clearly convey that all of the information has been referenced. Cheers! <span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Gary King|<span style="color:#02e;">Gary</span>&nbsp;<b style="color:#02b;">King</b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<span style="color:#02e;">talk</span>]])</span> 21:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Parrot, I started the article way back in 2002 and would like to congratulate you on it. I hope you'll get GA. I've just done some very minor copy editing, mainly commas and prepositions. Can you propose the article yourself, or do you need a seconder? Regards,[[User:Renata|Renata]] ([[User talk:Renata|talk]]) 07:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hi again Parrot, near the bottom of the article you have HM Customs and Excise, they were renamed HM Revenue and Customs a few years ago. Regarding the infobox, I find the various symbols very confusing, especially as there seems to be no explanatory legend or key. I'd be interested to see how the WikiProject guys can improve on that. 
:When I re-read the article from a reader's perspective, I felt that it could perhaps do with sub-headings to break up the large chunks of text.
:I moved to Edinburgh last year and I'm involved in two canal societies, but before that I lived in the North West and was active in the Wooden Canal Boat Society. I have a feeling that one of their members was involved in MBB... [[User:Renata|Renata]] ([[User talk:Renata|talk]]) 13:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Cathedral steps ==

Hi, I've just come across your article on the cathedral steps and added a link to it from the [[River Irwell]] article as part of your addition about the passenger trips. Have you read "Unerground Manchester: Secrets of the city revealed " by Keith Warrender published 2007 {{ISBN|978-0-946361-41-0}} £15.95? It's full of information and pictures about the tunnels and the old canals and rivers under Manchester. There's a good account on the Victoria Arches with photos and plans of the air raid shelters. I think you'll find it fascinating. I'll make some additions to the cathedral steps article from it when I have some time. [[User:Richerman|Richerman]] ([[User talk:Richerman|talk]]) 23:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:Its on my wish list on Amazon :) [[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot of Doom]] ([[User talk:Parrot of Doom#top|talk]]) 23:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
::Ah well, roll on Christmas! [[User:Richerman|Richerman]] ([[User talk:Richerman|talk]]) 00:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== Philips Park ==

Nice start on the article. I was thinking of doing that one myself after I did Drinkwater Park, but all the information I found was from the Bury Metro leaflet so I gave up on the idea and put the reference to the leaflet in the Prestwich article instead. Just one thing though - all the other parks on the template have their home town in the title, Prestwich, Whitefield etc. Could this one be Philip's Park, Prestwich/Whitefield. A bit clumsy I know but Philips Park, Bury is just wrong, it makes it sound like it's in the town of Bury. By the way, I bought a book called "Waterways in Castlefield" from the Salford Local History library so I'll be adding some stuff to the Bridgewater Canal article when I have some time. I think you're right about the section on the route too - it's not really necessary. Did you know they also have a book called "The Canal Duke's Collieries" about the mines at Worsley? I'll be getting that one soon as it's only about £5 and there are old drawings of the workings I can pinch, as well as more on the canal. Come to think of it, the book was probably written by someone you know from the canal society anyway. [[User:Richerman|Richerman]] ([[User talk:Richerman|talk]]) 00:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hi, after a bit of research on the web it seems that the park is actually in Whitefield see http://www.teachers.gov.uk/growingschools/region/placestovisit/detail.cfm?id=1449&rid=3 and http://www.prestwichadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/514489_hoping_for_new_lease_of_life_for_whitefield_gem [[User:Richerman|Richerman]] ([[User talk:Richerman|talk]]) 16:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

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== [[Guy Fawkes Night]] ==

Hi Parrot, hope all is well. Just letting you know that I just saw that someone recommended this at [[WP:TFAP]] for November 5. I'll be doing TFA scheduling that month. Any concerns or reservations? I'd love to run it. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 14:08, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
:One thing prompting me to ask: when [[Robert Catesby]] ran last November, I don't remember seeing the level of conflict we've sometimes had in the past. If you think it's still too soon, I won't run GFN, but all fights have a lifespan on WP, and I don't want to keep this important article off the Main Page forever. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 15:06, 12 June 2017 (UTC)