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[[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Thanks for contributing to the article [[Peter Draffin]]. However, one of Wikipedia's core policies is that material must be [[WP:V|verifiable]] and  attributed to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. You have recently used citations which copied, or [[WP:MIRROR|mirrored]], material from Wikipedia. This leads to a [[WP:CIRCULAR|circular reference]] and is not acceptable. Most mirrors are clearly labeled as such, but some are in violation of our license and do not provide the correct attribution. Please help by adding alternate sources to the article you edited!  If you need any help or clarification, you can look at [[Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia]] or ask at [[Wikipedia:New contributors' help page]], or just ask me. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-refimprove --> [[User:Kuru|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#cd853f; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Kuru</span>]] [[User talk:Kuru|<span style="color:#f5deb3">''(talk)''</span>]] 12:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC) <br clear="both">

:Thanks for your input Kuru. If you could specify which ones need alternate sources it would help me to that end. I have been the sole contributor to the Peter Draffin page, as far as I know. [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 12:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

::I've already removed the links you previously added to qwe.wiki and alchetron. This is just a note to please review your sources carefully and watch for ones that are clear mirrors. [[User:Kuru|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#cd853f; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Kuru</span>]] [[User talk:Kuru|<span style="color:#f5deb3">''(talk)''</span>]] 14:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

OK then, thanks for clarifying. [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 15:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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==COI==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, QLitBabel. We [[Help:Getting started|welcome]] your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things [[Special:Contributions/QLitBabel|you have written about]] on Wikipedia, you may have a [[conflict of interest]] (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the '''[[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest guideline]]''' and [[Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations|FAQ for organizations]] for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted.  Thank you.<!-- THE FOLLOWING CATEGORY SHOULD BE REMOVED IF THE USER IS BLOCKED, OR IT IS DECIDED THAT THIS USER DOES NOT HAVE A COI, OR THIS TEMPLATE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A WHILE WITH NO ACTION. -->{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: U | now}} - 1632956581) < 13150000 | [[Category:User talk pages with conflict of interest notices|{{PAGENAME}}]] |  }}<!-- Template:uw-coi --> [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]] ([[User talk:Duffbeerforme|talk]]) 23:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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* Hello [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]], thanks for your message. I am aware of the COI guidelines and assure you there is none involved in any of my Wikipedia articles, including this one. I have no close connection with my articles' subjects, nor have I been paid or otherwise compensated for any, including this one. Re your notability maintenance tag, I believe this article meets notability guidelines, concerning a well known author with bestselling works listed and a history on public record. Please note also that many sources used here are not primary, e.g. Sydney Morning Herald, AustLit, Wayback Machine Internet Archive, World Cat, ISBNs etc. (even citing from a memoir published by a third party does not necessarily constitute primary sourcing). I therefore respectfully ask that you reconsider your position and remove said maintenance tags, which I believe I have demonstrated are not relevant or applicable. Kind regards, [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 05:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
::That's a nice picture there that you took of the subject. Did you just stumble upon Burrough walking down the street? Primary sources include this [http://silkyoakpress.com.au/?p=421 Silky Oak Press] page. Oh, look at that nice photo there. I wonder who took that official portrait. I wonder where else we can find it? So do you really have no conflict of interest?
::On Notability. Whilst you believe Burrough is notable no-one agreed with you. At the recent afd everyone that commented on the article that wasn't you called for deletion. That afd closed as no consensus so the question of notability was not answered. "well known author"? well known by who? I'd never heard of Burrough. Where's the evidence of well known (not that well known = notable)? Vague claim of "bestselling works", what bestselling works? bestselling according to who? Where's the evidence?
::On primary. If Burrough wrote it then of course it's primary. Are you really saying that just because Wayback is hosting it is not primary? (not that that page even has a by-line). Please don't consider removing that tag until you get a better idea of what primary means here because you have clearly demonstrated a misunderstanding. Also it's not just about the count of primary sources but also the large proportion of the page verified only by them. Such as the entire self-serving Early life section.
::So no, I will not be removing any of them. As the creator of this article and someone who has a conflict of interest you are not the right person to be removing tags. [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]] ([[User talk:Duffbeerforme|talk]]) 04:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

* Hello [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]],

To clarify on the tag removal: the [[Help:Maintenance template removal]] page's "When To Remove" paragraph clearly states:
* “You may remove a template when according to your best judgement the lack of edits and/or talk page discussion should be interpreted as the issue not worth fixing (as a form of "silent consensus").”

Further, the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|Edit warring]] page clearly states:
* “Wikipedia encourages editors to be bold, but while a potentially controversial change may be made to find out whether it is opposed, another editor may revert it.”

... I did so on those valid grounds, but in the process lost the article’s info box, which I rectified, hence my edit summary ‘corrected info box’ (08:46, 29 September), which was the last part of that time-consuming edit – it was not, as you asserted above it, ‘a blatant lie’ but a condensed note. Attacking my integrity by calling me a liar, and your unfounded ‘COI accusation’ is personal, presumptuous and out of line. No, I really have no COI. Conversely, you do seem to have some ‘reverse’ COI from the consistently negative bias and combative tone of your edit summaries. You don’t display a particularly neutral POV and sound to be in some close conflict with the article’s subject.

On notability, just because you personally “haven’t heard of” a well-known Australian author does not make them un-notable – most Australians have undoubtedly never heard of a high number of American and other nationalized subjects of Wikipedia articles – that does not render them un-notable – is this some petty parochial issue you're having? The proof of this subject’s bestselling status is reflected in the referencing (e.g. no. 7). Further, the article’s [[Talk:C. S. Burrough|talk page]] clearly confirms that:
* This article is within the scope of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography]]
* C. S. Burrough is within the scope of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia|WikiProject Australia]]
* This article is supported by the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment|arts and entertainment work group]]

Do you really see yourself as above these entities? 

As for your claim “at the recent the recent afd everyone that commented on the article that wasn't you called for deletion” – only 1 other person answered and that was you:
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C S Burrough]]
So again, who has the COI here?

Re Burrough’s book being primary – the referencing shows that its author didn’t publish, catalogue or review it – but whichever way you choose to see that, I had merely pointed out there is non-primary referencing in the article too. The idea of the photo being some “official portrait” would appear to exist only in your own fertile imagination. Finally, your issues with the article seem largely stylistic, which is subjective and bound to differ from person to person.

Your behavior has been:
* uncivil
* offensive
* inappropriate
... and reflects seriously on your administrative capacity (blatant misuse of administrative tools, gross and persistent misjudgment and conduct issues).
This is reportable under numerous Wikipedia guidelines, e.g.:
*[[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]]
*[[Wikipedia:Protection policy]]
… and I shall not hesitate to do so if it continues and you persist in refusing to remove the COI tag, which is a malicious and defamatory fabrication (your [[User talk:Duffbeerforme|talk page]] shows your abysmal track record of interpersonal contention, so I am by no means your first target in this respect on record).

Sincerely, [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 07:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

:What an epic, have a read of [[WP:TLDR]].
:I'll start at the end. Feel free to report me at any time. I still refuse to remove the COI tag.
:Next, coi/honesty. Let's look at that edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=C._S._Burrough&diff=prev&oldid=1047145064]. Edit summary "Amendment/shortening of paragraph". OK, so what paragraph was shortened? Absolutely none. So where's that integrity?
:"some petty parochial issue you're having". No, you are. I'm not American. Funny how you are lecturing me on civility while failing to civil yourself.
:Best selling, sorry I see now. Still not the stuff of notability.
:What are you trying to say about those talk page tags? They say absolutely nothing about notability. Absolutely nothing.
:On the afd, one person answered, me, yes that's right. But someone else nominated it for deletion on notability grounds. That was not me. Regardless of the numbers the question of notability was Not resolved.
:"blatant misuse of administrative tools"? So enlighten me. When have I ever misused an administrative tool, or even used one?
:Since you continue to maintain your claim of no connection I will ask for another opinion. [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]] ([[User talk:Duffbeerforme|talk]]) 04:07, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

* Hello [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]],

Re “What are you trying to say about those talk page tags? They say absolutely nothing about notability”. Yes they do, your maintenance tag reads: "the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline.” 

And yes, the person who flagged the article for deletion months ago, prior to its later development, apologized on the afd page, i.e. “Apologies didn't see your names up here. New to process” ...

[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C S Burrough]] 

... which you conveniently whitewash in your attempt to cover up a blatant lie (above) about “at the recent afd everyone that commented on the article that wasn't you called for deletion” when the only other commentator was yourself.

You have indeed “misused administrative tools” by issuing maintenance tags falsely accusing the article’s subject of “not meet[ing] Wikipedia's general notability guideline” and its major contributor appearing “to have a close connection with its subject” – both blatantly untrue, out of line and therefore reportable.

On notability: how many Australian authors ''have'' you “heard of”? Several hundred here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Australian_writers Category:Australian_writers]. 

... by your rationale of having “never heard of” them / "not the stuff of notability" (see your comments above) they’re presumably all un-notable, so you’ll be rushing to delete each one. Unlike many of those, the subject of this article has works held at the National Library of Australia: 

[https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Search/Home?lookfor=author:%22Burrough%2C%20C.%20S.%20%28Colin%20S.%29%22&iknowwhatimean=1 National Library of Australia C S Burrough]

No idea what you mean about the "amendment/shortening of paragraph" point (nor, apparently, do you) as previously explained after my already clarifying the time-consuming loss then rectification of the article’s info box, which took several attempts.

None of my other articles have received such negativity, so why your conspiratorial “COI” paranoia compels you to zoom in on this one is perplexing – I am further convinced it is you, not I, with the COI, in your rabidly unnecessary targeting of this. To make such persistent accusations without supporting evidence (because there is none) is as absurd as your other obstructive input – why people exist merely to seek out and provoke online discord is unfathomable (I believe 'trolling" rather then "editing" is the word). You don't sound at all like a happy Wikipedian, clearly in need of time out and/or have a personal agenda to discredit this article's subject and/or creator (i.e. "not notable", a "COI" etc.) and are arguably swallowing too many Duff Beers. 

I first attempted the utmost civility, with “respectfully ask” and “kind regards”, only to meet with your usual stream of hostility and sarcastic diatribe. Resorting to your own language then proved futile. I have wasted sufficient time and energy trying, in earnest, to reason with you – not even my most flippant, insolent and unhinged 13-year-old school pupils have resorted to “feel free to report me at any time”. 

I am disinclined to engage further, and any more such abuse from you on my otherwise polite and harmonious User Page will be ignored and/or removed with the contempt it deserves. I am meanwhile in consultation over your being reported, and not just by myself. I sincerely hope whoever you ask for "another opinion" thoroughly reads and digests this discussion, as are my own advisors. [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 08:07, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

:You are misrepresenting a lot of things here. I'll break down a few things for you.
 
:{{tq|Re “What are you trying to say about those talk page tags? They say absolutely nothing about notability”. Yes they do, your maintenance tag reads: "the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline.”}}
::I wrote “What are you trying to say about those '''talk''' page tags?" (emphasis added) Note: talk page
::This was in reference to your conmment
:::{{tq|Further, the article’s [[Talk:C. S. Burrough|talk page]] clearly confirms that:}}
:::* {{tq|This article is within the scope of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography]]}}
:::* {{tq|C. S. Burrough is within the scope of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia|WikiProject Australia]]}}
:::* {{tq|This article is supported by the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment|arts and entertainment work group]]}}
::Those talk page tags. They have nothing to do with notability. The one you refer to as saying {{tq|"the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline.”}} is not on the talk page.
 
:{{tq|And yes, the person who flagged the article for deletion months ago, prior to its later development, apologized on the afd page, i.e. “Apologies didn't see your names up here. New to process” ...}}
::No they did not. The person who flagged the article for deletion was TheChronium. Their only edit to the afd was to create the afd like [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/C_S_Burrough&oldid=1040075518 this]. They made no apologies. The misplaced apology came from posted over two edits, [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/C_S_Burrough&oldid=1040075518 first] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/C_S_Burrough&diff=next&oldid=1040124854 second]. Note how it refers to Mr Vore, not to Burrough. He was addressing [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Michael Vore]] in the wrong places.
::So no, I was not whitewashing anything, there was two commentators calling for deletion, myself and TheChronium.
 
:{{tq|You have indeed “misused administrative tools” by issuing maintenance tags}}
::I did not use administrative tools to issue maintenance tags. I did it through normal editing.
 
:{{tq|No idea what you mean about the "amendment/shortening of paragraph" point}}
::Let's look at the actual edit. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=C._S._Burrough&diff=1047145064&oldid=1047142807 here] is where you removed the maintenance tags. Under your userename which is below "Revision as of 07:51, 29 September 2021 (edit) (undo)" there is your edit summary which states {{tq|"'''m''' (Amendment/shortening of paragraph)"}}. Then below Line 1: we can see what you changed. Nowhere in that change is any shortening of paragraph. [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]] ([[User talk:Duffbeerforme|talk]]) 04:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

* [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]],

It was not my intention to “misrepresent” anything, possibly a simple case of misperception on both our parts, though I feel you have been deliberately obtuse in refusing to concede my every point.

Your “administrative tools” argument is grasping at semantics – the tags were administered by you (requiring two bots to complete your administration) and were overzealously and spuriously used, there being no COI on my part, an acceptable degree of notability and existing non-primary sources.
 
Who posted the expired afd tag and who apologized is more picking at straws, the point stands that the article developed substantially after it and only you commented against keeping it, at the non-consensus stage.

Which talk page "the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline” is on does not negate the support and recognition the article received from the outset by unbiased entities, i.e.:

* This article is within the scope of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography]]
* C. S. Burrough is within the scope of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia|WikiProject Australia]]
* This article is supported by the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment|arts and entertainment work group]]

… which would not have been forthcoming had the subject not been a known literary figure not lacking in notability.

I have repeatedly explained to the best of my ability the “amendment/shortening of paragraph" point – the edit shows that the info box template was reinserted after being accidentally lost in a sperate edit and a paragraph was amended at that time. Your continual reiteration of this moot point is telling.

The extremes you have reached struggling to discredit the article and its subject show a disproportionately negative bias and COI against the subject. No other editor has even fractionally shown your level of objection. Your fervid persistence crossed a line some time ago, becoming tantamount to harassment and may only be redressed at a higher level, with your recalcitrance cited as a reference point. It would appear to be in your best interest to desist forthwith. I see no purpose in this convoluted discussion covering old ground and going in circles.

Sincerely, [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 06:48, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

:{{tq|(requiring two bots to complete your administration}}
::No, no bots were required. I typed them. And not administration.
:{{tq|Who posted the expired afd tag and who apologized is more picking at straws,}}
::So when you incorrectly thought I was wrong it's {{tq|conveniently whitewash in your attempt to cover up a blatant lie}} but when it's shown beyond doubt that you were wrong it's just picking at straws. Regardless, that afd closed as no consensus so the question of notability was not answered.
:{{tq|Which talk page "the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline” is on}}
::No, it is not on a talk page. Talk pages start with Talk:
:{{tq|the support and recognition the article received from the outset by unbiased entities}} and {{tq|… which would not have been forthcoming had the subject not been a known literary figure not lacking in notability.}}
::That is not support, they would be forthcoming for an unknown literary figure totaly lacking in notability. Someone looks at the article which at the time looked like [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=C._S._Burrough&oldid=1040094123 this]. They saw "Australian author". From that they can see person, therefore WikiProject Biography, Australian, therefore WikiProject Australia and author therfore arts and entertainment work group. No claiming of known or notable involved.
:{{tq|I have repeatedly explained to the best of my ability the “amendment/shortening of paragraph" point – the edit shows that the info box template was reinserted after being accidentally lost}}
::No the edit shows the removal of the maintenance tags along woth the accidental '''removal''' of the info box. Everyone can see that from looking at the [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=C._S._Burrough&diff=1047145064&oldid=1047142807 dif]. They can also see the edit summary of {{tq|'''m''' (Amendment/shortening of paragraph)}}. They can also see there is no {{tq|shortening of paragraph}}. [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]] ([[User talk:Duffbeerforme|talk]]) 11:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

* [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]] Your latest notations are ALL nonsensical rubbish. Now fully convinced of your own negative COI with article's subject - you must learn to recognize where you are wrong. Being the subject of a formal report, you ought not persist in dumping lies here [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 12:07, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

==Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion==
[[File:Information icon4.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard]] regarding a possible [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] incident with which you may be involved.    <!--Template:Coin-notice--> Thank you. [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]] ([[User talk:Duffbeerforme|talk]]) 11:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

* Thank you. This has now been addressed by email [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 13:27, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Peter Draffin]] for deletion ==
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The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Draffin]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
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== Nomination of [[:C. S. Burrough]] for deletion ==
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<!-- Template:Afd notice --></div> [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]] ([[User talk:Duffbeerforme|talk]]) 12:10, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

== October 2021 ==

[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not remove [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Articles for deletion]] notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages, as you did with [[:C. S. Burrough]]. Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-afd2 --> [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 13:10, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

* '''comment''' the articles for deletion period has already expired once due to non-consensus: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C S Burrough]]. [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 13:33, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:that's correct but this is a second, new [[WP:afd]] it will have to run it's course. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 13:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|stop attacking]] other editors, as you did  on [[:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C. S. Burrough]]. If you continue, you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. <!-- Template:uw-npa3 --> [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 08:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I have the same rights as any other editor to defend myself when under attack, and will persist as long as defamatory defense is needed.
:Nobody here is attacking you, please [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 08:21, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

* That is a blatant lie. Your are involved in a malicious discreditation campaign and have been reported accordingly. Strongly suggest you do '''no'''t post here again (in your own best interests), as this is all on record here, as per formal complaint report of yourself, so is undeniable. [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 08:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=Stop icon]] You may be '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] without further warning''' the next time you make [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|personal attacks]] on other people. Comment on content, not on fellow editors.<!-- Template:uw-npa4 --> [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 08:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

* '''comment''' and so may you be blocked. Defending myself from attacks from others is the reverse of an "attack on other people". Furthermore, should I become "blocked" from further editing, then that negates all rights to omit my expression of opinion (and deletion of article) - you will answer to this, regardless how long it takes, pointless trying to huffpuff out of everything. You are on record, too late to go into denial now, the more you try silencing, the more public this will become. And should I be unreasonably "blocked" others are on standby. So do your worst (and suffer the consequences). Final warning & think yourself lucky [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 09:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
**Just keep digging. Is this the level of maturity one should expect from a 62 year old man? So where is this investigation? I'd love to participate. Or at least be informed about it. The norm is when you open an investigation you inform those involved and let them know where it is happening. Hopefully your not talking about the request for page protection because that will soon be summarily dismissed. Not the right venue. Try [[WP:ANI]].  [[User:Duffbeerforme|duffbeerforme]] ([[User talk:Duffbeerforme|talk]]) 12:06, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

== Blocked ==

Hello QLitBabel. I have blocked you from editing for a period of 1 week. Your repeated hostile behaviour towards other users is simply unacceptable. While I appreciate that having your articles nominated for deletion is a stressful experience, the way to deal with this is not to lash out at the other people involved. Should you return to editing after this block expires, then please take careful note of our policies on [[WP:civil|civility]] and also [[WP:coi|conflicts of interest]]. If you do not, you will likely be indefinitely blocked sooner rather than later. Regards, [[User:The Land|The Land]] ([[User talk:The Land|talk]]) 12:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:'''Addendum''' as a result of this, you will no longer be able to edit the pages relating to the deletion requests nor to the COI investigation. If you have further evidence to add to either of those (e.g. links to establish the notability of C S Burrough) then kindly post it on this page.  [[User:The Land|The Land]] ([[User talk:The Land|talk]]) 12:40, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

[[User:The Land|The Land]] you have, simply, not done your homework - all of this will come out in the wash. Investigation is well under way and will show the level of misconduct here. [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 12:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
::I've also revoked your ability to post on this page and to send emails via Wikipedia. Vague allegations about 'investigaton' and 'misconduct' are a transparent tactic to try to intimidate myself and others with valid concerns. [[User:The Land|The Land]] ([[User talk:The Land|talk]]) 13:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

== October 2021 ==
<div class="user-block" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: #ffefd5; min-height: 40px">[[File:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon]]<div style="margin-left:45px">You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Indefinite_blocks|indefinitely]]''' from editing for continued failure to disclose a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] after repeated requests and in the face of overwhelming evidence – [[WP:communication is required|communication is required]].   </div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. &nbsp;[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 23:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)</div></div><!-- Template:uw-blockindef -->
{{unblock reviewed |1=There is no evidence of a conflict of interest, as I have repeatedly shown in discussions [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 00:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC) |decline = What you meant to say is that you have denied it and others have not been convinced. That is not the same thing as "no evidence".<p>With the level of [[WP:TE|querulousness]] you have demonstrated, I think it is better not to unblock at this time. — [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 04:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)}}
{{unblock reviewed|reason=What I mean is that accusing someone of COI is not the same as "evidence" of them being in COI. And I have always reciprocated civility when treated with it. [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 05:03, 12 October 2021 (UTC)|decline=There is plenty of evidence here, such as the professional looking photo that you claim as your own work- either you are telling the truth, in which case you got Mr. Burrows to sit for you and thus have a COI, or you didn't tell the truth, in which case you don't understand copyright.  Either way, there are no grounds to remove the block. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:33, 12 October 2021 (UTC)}}

{{unblock reviewed |1=Burrough did not sit for me - this I have explained in detail on 5 Oct and 10 Oct on said COI page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#C._S._Burrough [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 09:42, 12 October 2021 (UTC) |decline = The explanation offered is not convincing. [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span>&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 08:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)}} 
:'''(uninvolved non-admin comment)''' After reviewing the COIN discussion all the afds and the articles in question, it is clear to me that the user does have a COI. [[User:Lavalizard101|Lavalizard101]] ([[User talk:Lavalizard101|talk]]) 11:40, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

{{unblock reviewed |1=Whether or not the explanation given is "convincing" to someone is subjective, does not equate to fact, and is therefore not "evidence" of anything. [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 09:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC) |decline = I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that 
*the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, <u>or</u>
*the block is no longer necessary because you
*#understand what you have been blocked for,
*#will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
*#will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] for more information. <small>[[User talk:HighInBC|<b style="text-shadow:black 0.05em 0.05em 0em;color:LightCoral">HighInBC</b>]] <small><sup>Need help? '''[[User talk:HighInBC|Just ask.]]'''</sup></small></small> 12:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)}}

                   [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 09:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC)}

You keep claiming there is no evidence, 4 admins on this talk page and several uninvolved editors over at COIN have reviewed the articles, all talk pages etc and concluded that there is a COI, at this point your vehement denials are more IDHT I suggest the next admin revokes TPA as we are obviously wasting time here. [[User:Lavalizard101|Lavalizard101]] ([[User talk:Lavalizard101|talk]]) 09:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
:You say convincing is subjective, which may or may not be true, but we are the ones you have to convince, and you haven't done so yet. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|QLitBabel}} if you want to be unblocked, I would suggest first withdrawing your open appeal above.  Read the guidelines to appealing blocks ''carefully'', before leaving a more thoughtful appeal.  Your appeal should indicate a sincere understanding of why you were blocked, and reasons that it will not be necessary in the future.  (If you are unblocked and then blocked again, then it is likely to be permanent.)  Not an admin here, just trying to give good advice on the chance that you are [[WP:HERE]] to build an encyclopedia. [[User:Russ Woodroofe|Russ Woodroofe]] ([[User talk:Russ Woodroofe|talk]]) 09:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

{{unblock reviewed|decline=The COI really is blatant, and this is not going anywhere. I am declining this request and revoking talk page access.  --[[User:Blablubbs|Blablubbs]] ([[User talk:Blablubbs|talk]]) 15:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)|1=The block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia - i.e. COI accusations are mistaken, unproven and have been extensively explored, as per all of the above) [[User:QLitBabel|QLitBabel]] ([[User talk:QLitBabel#top|talk]]) 02:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)}}

Again with the COI being "unproven" when SEVERAL USERS AND 4 ADMINS HAVE CONCLUDED THAT THERE IS. [[WP:IDHT]] is even more obvious now, I suggest the next declining admin also revoke TPA as we are obviuosly not going to get anywhere with this user. 10:28, 26 October 2021 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lavalizard101|Lavalizard101]] ([[User talk:Lavalizard101#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lavalizard101|contribs]]) </span>

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== UTRS 50192 ==

{{UTRS|50192}} is closed. {{ping|QLitBabel}} I don't know why you think repeating your denials at UTRS would be efficacious when they were rejected here. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 15:18, 30 October 2021 (UTC)