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== PuliMurugan complains about some AfDs ==
{{see also|User talk:PuliMurugan#I owe you an apology}}

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I know this is not a appreciation of you. But I had no other way to talk to you. I don't know how to use the talk button in wikipedia. I am sorry. After you read this message, you can delete it. Please Read: 

Please do not recommend websites to be deleted without clear information. For example, I made 5-10 Wikipedia Pages about Malayalam movies and you requested all of them to be deleted. There is no point. Because all those wikipedia pages I made were supposed to be made and not deleted. I made those pages for a reason. I started that page into start developing that page and make it look more professional. Please understand that it is just a beginning and I am trying to improve the pages. Also, I see you also deleted 5-10 Movies in the "List of Malayalam Movies 2016" page. Why? There is a point we put those movies. Those are unreleased films in 2016 that is going to release in future before 2017. I undid what you did over there. Please mind your own business. I took a lot of time into making those pages.

As I read your talk page, this is not your first time requesting deleted pages. People have complained about your speedy request for deletion. Please stop this behavior in the future.

This is just a friendly reminder. Thank-You. :)

[[User:PuliMurugan|R-360 (Creations)]] ([[User talk:PuliMurugan|talk]]) 19:48, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
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: First, have a look at [[H:TALK]] for a guide on how to use talk pages. But, to the point, I didn't nominate "your" articles for deletion to spite you: I nominated them because they do not belong on Wikipedia. Per [[WP:NOTABILITY]], all articles must meet certain requirements. For films, one of [[WP:NF|those requirements]] is that [[WP:RS|a reliable source]] must be cited [[WP:NFF|showing that principal photography has begun]]. Another is that unreleased films are generally not notable even once they've started filming.

: As for your additions at [[List of Malayalam films of 2016]], I reverted them because your films aren't notable (see above) and because several of your additions weren't properly sourced: if you click on the references for the films you've added, you'll see that some are broken or nonexistent. Most additions to Wikipedia must be [[WP:V|verifiable]]. Use the [[WP:PREVIEW|preview]] button when editing to make sure that your edits work as you intended. Per {{section link|WP:BRD|Discuss}}, you are not to re-add your changes once they've been reverted by another user; this is part of Wikipedia's policy on [[WP:EW|edit warring]]. Also, [[WP:OWN|you do not own articles]]; no one is required to request your permission to revert or alter your work.

: The fact that some people have complained about my requests for [[WP:CSD|speedy deletion]] and deletion nominations is no matter: complaining doesn't make someone correct, and did you notice that the articles in question are gone? Go have a look. [[Rafael Serrano (cyclist)]]? Deleted. [[BookNU]]? Deleted. The user page I wrongly tagged for speedy deletion, [[User talk:Megabytes360]], still exists, but the user has been permanently blocked.

: In future, you'd be better off making policy-based arguments in the deletion discussions than with leaving patronizing comments on my talk page. Best. <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">&nbsp;Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 20:09, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

=== Follow-up ===
Please give me some time to put the references in the pages I have made. I am working on it. Give me until April 9. I will have all the References and in perfect shape. Please do not delete the page before April 9. Thanks <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:PuliMurugan|PuliMurugan]] ([[User talk:PuliMurugan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PuliMurugan|contribs]]) 22:30, 31 March 2016‎ (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><!-- Template:Xsign -->

: I'm sorry, but that's not how Wikipedia works. There's no exception to the notability requirement: it must be met when an article is created. [[WP:NOTWEBHOST|Wikipedia is not your personal scratch-pad.]] If you'd like to start working on an article before it's ready to go in the encyclopedia, you can work on it in your sandbox or save it on your own computer. (You can paste it into your sandbox's edit window and click ''Preview'' to see what it looks like without saving it.) I would strongly advise you to follow this course of action as what you're doing right now is only going to irritate others and waste your time.

: Also, did you look at the reasons I gave in my deletion nominations? This isn't just about referencing: most of these films are in pre-production, so, even if the articles were perfectly written and referenced, they would not be eligible for Wikipedia. Waiting until April 9 wouldn't help with that. <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">&nbsp;Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 22:47, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

:: April 9 won't be Neccessary... I will be done by April 2 or maybe today. And Yes, I did see your resons for deletion nominations. Yes, I know most of the movies are in pre-production stage. But I want to keep on improving the page as the movie progresses.. So at the end I don't have to waste a lot of time putting in the information and making a page.. Thats what I did. I will put references for all the websites and I will definetly improve all those pages. Some pages are about movies in the post-production. Which is the last stage of a movie. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:PuliMurugan|PuliMurugan]] ([[User talk:PuliMurugan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PuliMurugan|contribs]]) 23:07, 31 March 2016‎ (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><!-- Template:Xsign -->

::: I don't mean to rain on your parade, but you're be wasting your time on these articles unless you can produce policy-based reasons for keeping them. I strongly recommend you read [[WP:NF]] before continuing. As {{section link|WP:NF|Fut2ure films, incomplete films, and undistributed films}} explains, "films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines." But, even once a film has been released, it's still not notable unless it's been ''extensively'' discussed in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that are independent of the film and people involved with it (so, not Facebook or IMDb). We won't know until the films have been released and reviewed, but, in my opinion, it doesn't look like you'll be able to meet that requirement for any of these. <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">&nbsp;Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 00:16, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

== Because you thanked me ==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Rebbing/Archives/2016, you thanked me for one of my recent edits, so here is a heart-felt...<br />{{pad|6em}}'''''<big>Y</big>OU'RE <big>W</big>ELCOME!'''''<br />It's a pleasure, and I hope you have a lot of fun while you edit this inspiring encyclopedia phenomenon! [[User:Lowercase sigmabot III]] ([[User talk:Lowercase sigmabot III|talk]])
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== A barnstar for you! ==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank-You so much for being a good editor to movie pages. Wishing you a good future. Thanks! :) [[User:PuliMurugan|R-360 (Creations)]] ([[User talk:PuliMurugan|talk]]) 14:13, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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Aw, thanks, but I don't deserve a barnstar for this: {{noping|MichaelQSchmidt}} pointed out that the article name was incorrect; I merely took his advice. <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6"> Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing </span>]]</span> 17:27, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

== Possible new article: Murder of Helen Priestly ==
Is Helen's case worthy of an article - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bad-blood-and-the-vile-death-of-little-960791#eTfmcGjW30oguiSc.97 - ? [[User:Paul Benjamin Austin|Paul Benjamin Austin]] ([[User talk:Paul Benjamin Austin|talk]]) 00:29, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

: {{re|Paul Benjamin Austin}} In my opinion, no. The coverage I was able to find (via Google, [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Helen+Priestly%22 Google News], and [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Helen%20Priestly%22%20site:news.google.com/newspapers&source=newspapers&gws_rd=ssl Google News archives]) would not come close to meeting [[WP:GNG|GNG]]. The notability guideline for events sums it up perfectly:

: {{talkquote|Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes . . .)—whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time—are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance.|source={{section link|Wikipedia:Notability (events)|Inclusion criteria}}}}

: Cheers. <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6"> Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing </span>]]</span> 05:03, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

== Tim Canova ==
{{see also|Tim Canova|WP:Articles for deletion/Tim Canova}}

I'd like to discuss this article with you but not on the AfD page nor the article's talk page, if that's okay with you.  I'd be okay with discussing it on your talk page or mine or some other venue that you might suggest if such is available. I'm assuming  that your caution, "If you're going to continue in the same tenor, I would advise you against replying further," was not a threat meant to end discussion. When trying to make the discussion clearer (by eliminating a URL I'd left that inadvertently appeared as a reference at the end of the page) I just goofed on the AfD page and deleted the material at the bottom by accident. I reverted it when I realized what I'd done a few minutes later. Let me know what you think about the possibility of any discussion. Thanks. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 02:52, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

:You understood my advice correctly: I wasn't threatening, merely suggesting that a response similar to your first would be a waste of your time. Don't feel bad about your editing goof; I've made similar mistakes myself and, in all likelihood, have a few more in my future. {{smiley}}

:I'm not sure I'm interested in discussing the article or its subject's [[WP:N|notability]], but you're welcome to say what you'd like, and my talk page is the perfect venue. Please aim for a concise, well-ordered reply, and consider organizing your response into paragraphs. Also, bear in mind that I have my own areas of interest here: everything on [[User:Rebbing/Tasklist|this list]] is more meaningful to me than the Canova article. I have no hard feelings towards you, and I may be wrong about the subject's notability, but I'm not inclined to go out of my way to improve the article when my concerns with its content could be as effectively assuaged by deletion as by editing. <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6">&nbsp;Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 04:16, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
::When I went to leave you a note on Sunday evening, I went to your USER page instead of your TALK page. I discovered that you were likely responsible for salvaging the important Marcia Hofmann article. I think it was very worthwhile expenditure of your time in a similar situation in which I found myself in Canova. Coincidentally, I had lunch on Saturday with a friend and we discussed at length the EFF which had successfully represented, pro bono, a friend of his, opposing a corporation with which EFF has often been allied. They've done a lot of great work for a long time. By the way, did you see the news on the Lavabit/Snowden case appeal this month? [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 09:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

:::{{re|Activist}} Thank you! I'm delighted that you enjoyed my work. Between the two of us, I'm not sure Ms. Hofmann is notable. A couple weeks ago, I went back to that article to add more coverage—most of the sources are either primary sources or sources connected with her—and I couldn't find much. Even so, I suspect the article would survive AfD because it's decently written, unbiased, credibly (if not "reliably") referenced, and not a stub.

:::If you wouldn't mind sharing a little, I'm curious about your friend's friend's case. I know the EFF has done a lot of good work throughout the years. About the Lavabit appeal—is this the litigation over unsealing some of the earlier records where the United States forgot to redact Mr. Snowden's email address from one of the publicly-filed documents? <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6"> Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing </span>]]</span> 21:42, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

::Thanks very much for your response on the AfD page and the time you devoted to this issue. I ran into another editorial conflict moments ago when I was editing the FBI/Apple encryption case. The DOJ dropped the case last night after they finally unlocked the recovered iPhone that belonged to San Bernardino county. Since both shooters had personal cell phones, I doubted whether there would be anything useful on it anyway. I wonder if the DOJ dropped it because they worried about a possible adverse ruling and/or the bad publicity they'd attracted? The Hofmann article led me to look a lot closer at some high profile government surveillance cases. A investigative reporter friend had shed light on Stingray technology in 2014 so it's been of interest to me for some time. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 10:04, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

::: Thank ''you'' for prodding me into doing the right thing (and for your kind response at AfD). Although I'm not too keen on politics, I care very much about Wikipedia, especially its reputation and role in people's lives. I know I'm not the only one whose first stop for information is this encyclopedia. So, even though a subject might not matter much ''to me'', I know it's important to the encyclopedia. I spent a bit of time earlier this winter cleaning up some serious neutrality issues (and defending my edits) on [[:Katrina Pierson|Mr. Trump's national spokeswoman's biography]], and, believe me, I'm not keen on her politics.

::: I hadn't realized the shooters had their own phones; I wonder if the government was simply being thorough or if it had a reason to think the iPhone would have useful information. My guess is that the government dropped the case because it wouldn't make sense to spend money litigating when the investigators already had what they wanted. But I imagine PR concerns may have factored in as well. Also, the case was probably [[mootness|moot]], so the court would have dismissed it had the government not asked.

::: It sounds like you have fairly interesting friends. {{smiley}} I've read a little about Stingray technology, and, while I'm not thrilled, I'm also not surprised. <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6"> Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing </span>]]</span> 21:42, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

== Halp? ==

{{admin help|answered=yes}}

Hello! I just came across [[special:diff/prev/715567668|this edit]], which looks like a serious candidate for RD2. The IP's only edits—five since yesterday—all appear to be problematic vandalism, so a block may also be in order. Thank you! <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6"> Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing </span>]]</span> 17:52, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:I hid it as RD3 rather than RD2. No further edits since last warning. If the activity resumes, please report the IP at [[WP:AIV]]. Thanks for reporting. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 18:46, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== [[Certificate of appealability]] ==

Hi. I just noticed that you fixed up [[certificate of appealability]]. Thank you! :-)  --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 19:03, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

: {{re|MZMcBride}} It was my pleasure. Habeas is one of my favorite legal topics, so I was fairly amused to stumble across it at new pages: I was all, ''I got this!'' {{smiley|biggrin}} <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6"> Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing </span>]]</span> 19:24, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you!!! ==
{{further information|Julia Flynn Siler}}

Thank you, thank you for the help!!! I am SO new. I honestly, have no idea what I'm doing yet, so I am beyond grateful!  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MelissBelle|MelissBelle]] ([[User talk:MelissBelle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MelissBelle|contribs]]) 01:18, 23 April 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: {{re|MelissBelle}} You're welcome! Thank ''you'' for your article: Wikipedia is better off for having it. If you stick around, feel free to ask me for help or advice. I remember what it felt like getting my footing as an editor: Wikipedia isn't easy.

: Also, a couple tips: When you're participating in a discussion, you should sign your comments by inserting four tildes ("~") (it must be exactly four) at the end, like so:

: <pre>Some comment. ~~~~</pre>

: The tildes will automatically be expanded to your signature and the timestamp. If you want to get someone's attention, use the {{tl|re}} template:

: <pre>{{re|MelissBelle}} Hey, there.</pre>

: The named user gets a notification like you did for this message. You don't typically need to use {{tl|re}} when replying in an ongoing discussion that the other person likely has on her watchlist, and you never need to ping someone on her own talk page (the system notifies uses about those already).

: Cheers, and congratulations on your first article. {{smiley}} <span style="font:bold 1em Century">[[User:Rebbing|<span style="background:#f660ab;color:#60f6f6"> Rebb</span>]][[User_talk:Rebbing|<span style="background:#60f6f6;color:#f660ab">ing </span>]]</span> 04:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

:: I am sure I will have questions, so I appreciate your offer! 
:: [[User:MelissBelle|MelissBelle]] ([[User talk:MelissBelle|talk]]) 22:38, 29 April 2016 (UTC)