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== [[Largest cities of the European Union by population]] ==

...saw the flags there, and because I know of the SEWilco-flag-template-initiative [ :-) ] I wanted to change them. But how? I will watch the page, so maybe just change some, and if I see your work I do more. [[User:Tobias Conradi|Tobias Conradi]] [[User_talk:Tobias Conradi|(Talk)]] 23:28, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

i was at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Flag Template]] - but where is the list of all the codes? I saw it some days ago, can't remember where. [[User:Tobias Conradi|Tobias Conradi]] [[User_talk:Tobias Conradi|(Talk)]] 23:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:still did not find it. instead the obscure ''Country_code is the usual country identification code'' - what does usual mean? [[User:Tobias Conradi|Tobias Conradi]] [[User_talk:Tobias Conradi|(Talk)]] 19:47, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
:: "Usual" depends upon which country code is relevant to the specific template.  IOC, ISO, or country name.  Want to edit it to "appropriate" or some other general phrasing?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:34, 6 November 2005 (UTC))
:::i rephrased: ''Country_code'' is the [[ISO 3166-1 alpha-3]] code and for the flagIOC template it is the [[IOC country code]]. see also [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Flag_Template/Testall]] [[User:Tobias Conradi|Tobias Conradi]] [[User_talk:Tobias Conradi|(Talk)]] 09:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

'''done''' - the flags are changed, i found the "flagicon". [[User:Tobias Conradi|Tobias Conradi]] [[User_talk:Tobias Conradi|(Talk)]] 00:20, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

== TfD nomination of Template:Chapter reference ==

[[Template:Chapter reference]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Chapter reference]]. Thank you. [[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 10:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
== TfD nomination of Template:Chapter reference link ==

[[Template:Chapter reference link]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Chapter reference link]]. Thank you. [[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 10:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
== TfD nomination of Template:Book reference edition ==

[[Template:Book reference edition]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Book reference edition]]. Thank you.

==Winter Soldier Investigation RFC==
If you are interested [[Talk:Winter Soldier Investigation#RFC on Winter Soldier Investigation]] [[User:TDC|TDC]] 18:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

== template:biohead ==

Could you please help with this template? I'd like to make parameter 3 utterly optional. For an example, see entry 33 in [[Herzgruft (Vienna)]]. --[[User:StanZegel|StanZegel ]]  [[User talk:StanZegel|(talk)]] 03:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks, but now it never displays at all. See [[Template talk:Bioxref]] and [[Imperial Crypt Vaults]] for examples that formerly worked but no longer do. In [[Herzgruft (Vienna)]], all the entries except number 33 should display the [[→Family Tree]] hyperlink, but now none of them do. Help! --[[User:StanZegel|StanZegel ]]  [[User talk:StanZegel|(talk)]] 06:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
::Oops.  I omitted a pipe symbol separator.  Try this version.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 06:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC))
:::Thanks for your help! --[[User:StanZegel|StanZegel ]]  [[User talk:StanZegel|(talk)]] 02:18, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

== template:ref_label and ref_harvard ==

I replied to your question on my talk page&mdash;[[User:GraemeMcRae|GraemeMcRae]]<sup>[[User talk:GraemeMcRae|talk]]</sup> 06:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I replied again by creating two pairs of ref_label and note_label, letting the third parameter default.  Please see my talk page, and try out the links.&mdash;[[User:GraemeMcRae|GraemeMcRae]]<sup>[[User talk:GraemeMcRae|talk]]</sup> 06:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I replied again to thank you for making this change -- it is just the cat's meow!&mdash;[[User:GraemeMcRae|GraemeMcRae]]<sup>[[User talk:GraemeMcRae|talk]]</sup> 07:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

== Harvard template ==

Since you seem to be a principle editor on the effort, please allow me to direct your attention to my comment at [[Template talk:Harvard reference]].  I have this page and that watched, so prefer any ensuing discussion in one of those two locations unless you greatly prefer to use [[User talk:Kgf0|my talk page]]. Thank you. --[[User:Kgf0|Kgf0]] 22:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

: I am improving the citation technologies, but {{tl|harvard reference}} is so far an independent effort created recently by one fellow.  There are several problems with its design and implementation.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC))

== Interlanguage Unicode links ==

Hi SEWilco.  I just ran across your trick for inserting an apostrophe next to closing italic apostrophes over at [[autism]].  It's clever and I'll add it to my toolbox.

Just a quick note, though&mdash;watch out for interlanguage links to the other wikis that contain Unicode.  Your browser seems to have run into some trouble with them: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Autism&diff=27997091&oldid=27995454].  I fixed those up, but keep an eye out for the problem in the future.  Cheers, [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 05:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
: Vim, actually.  I'll add yet another setting and see if that helps.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC))

::Ah, Vim. /me gets wistful. [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 05:32, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

:::An edit of yours to [[Arsenal F.C.]] on Nov 12 at 15:58 managed to munge the Unicode characters there as well - see [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Arsenal_F.C.&diff=28121530&oldid=28062297]. Just thought you should know... [[User:Qwghlm|Qwghlm]] 15:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

== Whoosh! ==
Your 'bot has just caused my watchlist to explode.  That's what I get for citing sources, I suppose.  &#9786; [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 11:59, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
: I feel your pain.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 14:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC))

== Navigation template ==

Hello - I would like to create a navigational template, but it will need to be able to branch depending on the name of the article it is in. I know the "toccolours" class causes the template to vary its behavior this way. What I would like to do is have a "title" in the template which jumps you up the heirarchy, and a list of topics one level down from the title, of which the article you are in is one. It should be in black, indicating "this article" but then for this article only, I would like a list of subtopics to appear. So the logic would be like "if this article is named "xxx" then display the following list of subtopics". Is there a way to do this? Thanks for any help - [[User:PAR|PAR]] 06:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
: What are you trying to accomplish?  Maybe there are several ways to accomplish the goal.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 06:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC))
There is a heirarchy of wikipedia pages. page A has 3 subordinate pages A1, A2, A3. page A1 has 4 subordinate pages, A1a, A1b, A1c, A1d and so forth for A2 and A3. I would  like a box in the upper right corner of, lets say page A2. Its title would be "A".  Under it would be a list:
A1, A2, and A3. Under A2 is another list: A2a, A2b, A2c. No such lists under A1 or A3. All  would be linked to their respective pages except A2 which would be in black, because its the page you are on. The purpose is to be able to jump up the heirarchy, across the heirarchy, and down the heirarchy. The box on page A2 would look like

:A (link)
::A1 (link)
::A2 (no link - black)
:::A2a (link)
:::A2b (link)
:::A2c (link)
::A3 (link)

The box on page A1 would look like

:A (link)
::A1 (no link - black)
:::A1a (link)
:::A1b (link)
:::A1c (link)
:::A1d (link)
::A2 (link)
::A3 (link)

I wonder if this can be done with one template or do I have to write a separate template for each page? [[User:PAR|PAR]] 17:17, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

: The "no link" is done automatically for the current page so that is not a problem.  It looks like you might need something like <nowiki>{{navmenu_A_{{{PAGENAME}}}}}</nowiki>, which should retrieve whatever template is at <nowiki>[[Template:navmenu_A_{{{PAGENAME}}}]]</nowiki>.  For all the "A2" pages you have a single template with all their navmenu_A_* templates containing a <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Template:navmenu_A_(name of an A2 menu)]]</nowiki>.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 19:42, 15 November 2005 (UTC))

Ok - I hope you have patience with me - I guess I don't understand the "if equal" template. That third parameter is completely opaque to me. Could you take a look at the box in the upper right of the [[Thermodynamic potentials]] article. This is where I am trying to do it. Click on "edit" and it will show you my latest attempt. I think you will see what I am trying to do, for starters. Thanks for your help. [[User:PAR|PAR]] 02:17, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

: The "if equal" only is able to test for specific values of the third parameter.  If you look at what I described above, I think you don't need a template with logic in it, you just need a template which retrieves one of several navigation templates.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC))
:: Or put the appropriate nav template on the appropriate page.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:17, 16 November 2005 (UTC))

PS - is there a central page for learning template syntax?
: No.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC))

Ok, I should not have given you the impression that I ignored what you wrote. I spent a lot of time trying to make PAGENAME give me the name of the page I was on. After about a half hour, it dawned on me that maybe you meant by PAGENAME a parameter of the template call, and this was not some system variable that was magically being handed to me. So thats what three braces mean! After a couple hours of blindly trying this and that, I wrote you again.

I hope you understand now the deep level of my ignorance on this subject and why a few words from you can save me hours of stumbling around in the dark. 

With regard to what you wrote, I don't get it. I understand that {{navmenu_A_{{{PAGENAME}}}}} when I am in the A2 page will insert the instructions in the template named Template:navmenu_A_A2. But then you say "For all the "A2" pages you have a single template with all their navmenu_A_* templates containing a #REDIRECT [[Template:navmenu_A_(name of an A2 menu)]]." OK, "all the A2 pages" means the A2a, A2b, A2c, and A2d pages. So the above translates for the A2a page -

"For the A2a page, you have a single template with its navmenu_A_A2a template containing a #REDIRECT[[Template:navmenu_A_A2menu]]

I have read the above statement over and over, but I still haven't the faintest idea what it means. Could I impose upon you to enter something into the [[Template:Thermodynamic potentials]] and maybe a few sub-templates just to get me started? I will learn it as quickly as I can, but right now I'm baffled.

Thank you for any help - [[User:PAR|PAR]] 06:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

: I was referring to use of [[Wikipedia:Redirect]] to make several pages produce the same template.  I'll be busy for about 20 hours now.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 09:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC))

Hello - just to let you know, I solved it using the iftrue template and passing a parameter from the calling page whose name is unique to the calling page. Set that parameter equal to "true" on the calling page, and then in the template, test the parameter with iftrue to either display the list or not. [[User:PAR|PAR]] 21:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

: Nice.  Welcome, Template Master.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC))

== Book reference First Last ==

Sorry for nagging again. I dived a little into the template code of [[Template:Book reference]] and found that there is an undocumented ref creation mechanism in the template that relies on the *Last* and Year parameter. So my [[Template talk:Book reference#Eliminating variant First, Last|proposal]] to eliminate First Last would have broken that, right?

I understand that this is an important (yet not documented) feature of the template and in light of this the Last parameter has far more weight than can be inferred from the template doc – it is used to address the reference. In fact, the tuple (Last, Year) addresses the reference.

So maybe we might attack the problem from the other side and even impose the rule that the Last parameter should always be mandatory (also in the case of multiple authors) because it is used for addressing. In the case of multiple authors, the surname (or dominating part) of the most important author's name should be assigned to the parameter "Last" and the rest of that author's name to the parameter "First" (which is a bit confusing, but anyway).

The second and all subsequent author fullnames then sould go to mmh what? They can't go to Author, because it's either Author or (First, Last) that's used in the template, not both. So, maybe that would mean introducing another parameter "CoAuthor" (or whatever) to receive the second and all subsequent author's names. Should CoAuthor replace Author?

I think I can see the dilemma a bit better now (if I'm right). Sorry again for stressing you and thanks for your work on book reference.

— [[User:Adrian Buehlmann|Adrian]] | [[User talk:Adrian Buehlmann|Talk]] 14:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

:  Shouldn't add authors to "First" nor "Last" because a different display order may become preferred.  A "coauthors" parameter does sound like a good idea for additional authors. The html "ref" issue hadn't occurred to me.  That was recently added by one person's citation experiments.  I'm more interested in identification of author name components for display, at the moment.  There are various proposals for additional support for referencing and citation, which may move the information from templates to a database.  Having the information identified in templates will make it easier to transfer to a new medium.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC))

:: Right. I wouldn't stuff more than one author into ("First", "Last"). So we could do (proposal):

<div style="margin-left:4em;">
<code><pre><nowiki>*{{Book reference
 | First = Martin
 | Last = Fowler
 | Authorlink = Martin Fowler
 | Coauthor = [[Kent Beck|Beck, Kent]]; Brant, John;
 [[William Opdyke|Opdyke, William]]; Roberts, Don
 | Year = 1999
 | Title = Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code
 | Publisher = Addison-Wesley
 | ID = ISBN 0-201-48567-2
 }}</nowiki></pre></code>

Which should produce:
:*[[Martin Fowler|Fowler, Martin]]; [[Kent Beck|Beck, Kent]]; Brant, John; [[William Opdyke|Opdyke, William]]; Roberts, Don (1999). ''Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code'', Addison-Wesley. {{ISBN|0-201-48567-2}}.

The doc already states that "First,Last" (new: First,Last,Coauthor) is preferred. This could be even more stressed, as FL together with Coauthor would be a full replacement for the (in the future deprecated?) variant with "Author". — [[User:Adrian Buehlmann|Adrian]] | [[User talk:Adrian Buehlmann|Talk]] 17:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
</div>

::: Implemented as "Coauthors" to emphasize that multiple authors are OK.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 06:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC))
:::*<cite style="font-style:normal" id="Reference-Fowler-1999">[[Martin Fowler|Fowler, Martin]]<nowiki>,</nowiki> [[Kent Beck|Beck, Kent]]; Brant, John; [[William Opdyke|Opdyke, William]]; Roberts, Don&#32;(1999). ''Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code'', Addison-Wesley. {{ISBN|0-201-48567-2}}.</cite>

::::Wow, thanks! — [[User:Adrian Buehlmann|Adrian]] | [[User talk:Adrian Buehlmann|Talk]] 09:10, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

==Arbitration accepted==
[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Winter Soldier]] has been accepted. Please place evidence at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Winter Soldier/Evidence]]. You may make proposals and comments at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Winter Soldier/Workshop]]. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 20:53, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

==Clarity of the article ''Wikipedia:Footnotes''==
Hi SEWilco.  I feel free to call on you since you modified my recent clarity edit of this article -- a good way to get acquainted.  Anyhow, as I just wrote in the article's talk page, the latter parts of the article are exactly right for also being clarified, with at least some of their content being moved to a footnote or to the talk page.  I certainly lack the expertise to do it -- and I don't really care whether it gets done or not, since I'll just ignore it anyhow.  My point would be, how much value do we Wikipedians place on cleanness of our guideline articles?  This one doesn't seem good enough to ''me''.  But I like the first parts very much, as I wrote (sort of) on its talk page.  I hope you can agree that my attempts had a positive effect, and I hope I didn't foul up anything.  If I did, please fix it (or get someone else to).  [[User:For7thGen|For7thGen]] 19:29, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

== Climate-change Arbitration re-opening request ==

There is a request, which refers to you, to re-open the climate-change Arbitration case, [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Request_to_re-opening_Climate_change_dispute|here]]. I thought that you might be interested to comment, or at least observe.

Yours sincerely,

[[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 02:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

: Things get so messy when people don't follow the rules.  Maybe this will end on April 1st.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:54, 22 November 2005 (UTC))

As far as the ''Signpost'' goes, I generally don't report if it hasn't been accepted.  But, yes, it looks like I might have to next week.  Thanks for pointing it out though, and I'm sorry I didn't respond earlier- I thought it was a personal comment, based on my blocking of Connolley earlier that week, rather than a ''Signpost''-related thing.  [[User:Ral315|Ral315]] [[User talk:Ral315|(talk)]] 05:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
: Oh, I hadn't noticed that you had also beeen involved in enforcing his parole or I would have phrased it differently.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC))
: Mention in ''Signpost'' might be needed to help locate all the parties involved in the case and enforcement situation.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:27, 22 November 2005 (UTC))

==Multiple references to the same footnote==
I've thought more about reader navigation of multiple references to the same footnote, such as navigating the 5 references to footnote [2] in [[Wikipedia:Footnotes]].  It might be a little hairy for some readers.  As mentioned in that talk page ([[Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Multiple references to the same footnote]]), I like having all the multiple references be in the footnotes section, for easier future maintenance.  The article currently also mentions easier navigation for the reader.  So I moved all the multiple references to the footnotes section to really see it for myself, and you can see it too at [[User:For7thGen/subpage 1]].  You can decide it, if you can get to it despite the other demands on your time.  (I'm VERY interested in global warming myself, if that's the climate change involved, above.)<br>
That is, you can decide whether anything further should be done with this footnote-section idea.  I'll be doing other things so I won't concern myself about this topic ''unless'' I hear from you.  I'll be very happy if most of my changes to the article are found acceptable, but won't even put the article on my watchlist.  [[User:For7thGen|For7thGen]] 21:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

: You can see multiple footnote referencing in [[Jew]] and [[Alchemy]].  It might be better to rephrase to avoid sensitivity to the footnote number, so adding footnotes to the article won't break numbering.  In some cases you could just say "a preceding footnote" (followed by the link to it).  Another possibility is to have the referenced footnote start with a word or phrase which you can mention when referring to it.  (04:08, 23 November 2005 (UTC))

== Your bot ==

Hi SE, I read on AN/I that this is your bot, [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Clemson_University&diff=29039271&oldid=28817764] and I was wondering whether there was a consensus to change these embedded links to footnotes. As you know, either is allowed according to [[WP:CITE]] and we're not supposed to change from one to the other without gaining consensus on the talk page, unless I've misunderstood what you're doing. And if it's not you, my apologies. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 23:36, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
: There was no existing style for links to citations, so I used the most popular method when I added citations.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 17:57, 24 November 2005 (UTC))

:SE, sorry to trouble you with this again. Another editor has drawn my attention to [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kyoto_Protocol&diff=29063875&oldid=29062317 this]. [[WP:CITE]] says you must defer to the citation style used by the first major contributor, unless there is a consensus on the page to change it. See [[Wikipedia:Cite sources#How to Cite Sources]], which says: "If contributors differ as to the appropriate style of citation, they should defer to the article's main content contributors in deciding the most suitable format for the presentation of references. If no agreement can be reached, the style used should be that of the first major contributor." I understand that you're keen on footnotes, and although I've personally never seen the attraction of them, I'm very willing to be proven wrong, and I respect that you're willing to devote time and energy to helping with WP's sourcing issues. I wish more editors would do that! But please try to see that there are advantages in other citation styles too, and edit warring to replace other styles with footnotes isn't appropriate or fair to the other editors on the page. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 04:37, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

:: Your attention was drawn to the wrong edit.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kyoto_Protocol&diff=28404786&oldid=28404455 This edit] was the actual conversion of the consensus style to more complete citations, using numbered links to mimic the consensus linking style.  The edit to which you linked is based on Vsmith's recent non-consensus style, which as pointed out several times in Talk is fragile in ways which are demonstrated by errors created by Vsmith.  There are now versions using both citation styles in History in case the numbered style continues to be preferred.   ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 17:57, 24 November 2005 (UTC))

:::I'm not sure what you mean by the "most popular" method. If there is one, it's using embedded links, not footnotes. But the important point is that [[WP:CITE]], which is the relevant style guide, has no preference, except that the citation style used by the first major contributor must be adhered to in the event of a dispute. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 06:38, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

:::: Except when Wikipedia policy, such as [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] requires a change.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 06:46, 25 November 2005 (UTC))

:::::When would any WP policy e.g. [[WP:V]] require a change in citation style? [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 07:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::: Yes.  Changes in policy could require many changes. ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 21:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC))

==Note and ref label templates==
Something has changed that mkaes these template display incorrectly (mabye a software change- since they looked fine last week), see [[Canberra]] for an example. Any idea how to fix them?--[[User:Petaholmes|nixie]] 04:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
: What part of the appearance are you referring to?  A change was not apparent when I looked.  Is there a problem with a specific link?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 17:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC))

== [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/SEWilco]] ==

I have files an RFC against you: [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/SEWilco]]. [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] 22:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC).

==3RR reports==
SEW, you've now reported [[user:William M. Connolley]] 11 times since November 15 for alleged 3RR violations, some of which are over a month old. This is starting to look like malicious reporting, and you may be blocked for disruption if it continues, though by all means report a new violation if you see one. Cheers, [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 07:16, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
: Users are supposed to report 3RR violations, have these violations of the parole already been reported?  The parole terms are defined at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change_dispute#William_M._Connolley:_Six-month_revert_parole_on_certain_articles|William M. Connolley: Six-month revert parole on certain articles]].  You seem to have an issue with how many times William M. Connolley has violated his parole.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:00, 25 November 2005 (UTC))
: Has the ArbComm stated a rule on handling of parole violations someplace which I have not seen?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC))

::Not that I'm aware of, but violations should be reported sooner. In future, you should probably either report them within a day or two, or let it be. Also, it might make more sense if you were to report them on [[WP:AN/I]] as parole violations rather than on the 3RR page, as they're not, strictly speaking, 3RR violations. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 20:49, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

:Yes, please stop robotically replying to comments on the 3RR page as well.  It's become obvious no admin is going to take an issue with these reports where the incident was more than a month ago.  At least by #8 or #9 you were asked to stop and you're still doing it. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 03:21, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

== Block ==

Because you posted your 13th report against William Connolley, also for an alleged violation that took place in October, after being warned not to, you have been temporarily blocked from editing. If you feel this is unfair or incorrect, feel free to e-mail me using the link on my user page, and I'll get straight back to you. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 03:56, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
: Do you really believe it is right to tell me to post in AN/I and then block me for that posting?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC))
:: Do really believe that's what actually happened? --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 08:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Apparently SlimVirgin forgot [[WP:AN/I]] is not [[WP:AN/3RR]].  Part of the discussion in AN/3RR is based upon an assumption that 3RR will be reported soon after the event.  SlimVirgin brought that assumption over to AN/I and applied it without discussion.  Clarification from the ArbComm has been requested.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC))
::::Interesting new spin: you now implicitly acknowledge that ignoring stale 3RR reports is okay; yet, you apparently forgot that you continued posting them there and demanding action long after it had been made clear to you that they would be continue to be ignored. Now you've ginned up a brand-new wikilawyering theory to get your way: clearly, your only criteria for interpreting rules is whatever benefits you personally. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 06:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
::::: The new situation was due to the change to AN/I, which does indeed have a different context (or I'd have first put reports there), but do go on.  What are those benefits?  I'd like to know what they are so I can use them.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 14:20, 28 November 2005 (UTC))

==Responding to your e-mail to me about your block==
Did you really take SlimVirgin's messages on this page an an invitation to move to WP:AN/I and carry on business as usual there? She says you may be blocked for disruption if you continue posting the old violations (did you miss that part?), then she adds "though by all means report a ''new'' violation if you see one" (emphasis added by me). And after you respond, she says "you should probably either report them ''within a day or two'' (did you miss that also?), or let it be"  and she adds "''Also'', it might make more sense if you were to report them on WP:AN/I as parole violations rather than on the 3RR page". ''Also'' =''besides'' reporting them within a day or two. 

I'm sorry, I try to AGF, but I look at the posts on this page, and at the way you read them, and I feel the assumption crumbling. Your interpretation is too selective. It not only flies in the face of all likelihood (''would'' Slim invite you to do that? Seriously?), but also ignores salient parts of her text. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 10:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

: Apparently I read and understood the situation better than she did.  The discussion in [[WP:AN/3RR]] is based on an assumption that 3RR will be reported soon after having taken place, and the discussion in AN/3RR repeatedly refers to AN/3RR situations.  [[WP:AN/I]] is not [[WP:AN/3RR]], yet SlimVirgin brought the AN/3RR context over to a different context.  The ArbComm has been asked for clarification.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC))

== Request for your bot ==

Hi. Would you be able to run your bot through [[Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama]] to fix all the footnotes? Thanks. (Basically the same thing it did on [[Ainu language]]) --[[User:Hottentot|Hottentot]] 19:34, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks! --[[User:Hottentot|Hottentot]] 01:15, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
:: You're welcome.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 01:19, 28 November 2005 (UTC))

==Arbitration re-opened==
[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2]] has been re-opened. Please place evidence at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Evidence]]. Proposals and comments may be placed on [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Workshop]]. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 01:16, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

:I have removed the additions you made to [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2]], other than the section on why case was accepted, which I responded to. On that page you may only make a statement in the section set aside for you. You may make motions on [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Workshop]] and use the talk pages of all pages for comment. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 15:01, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

== Unprotecting [[Template:Ref]] ==

It won't hurt if I unprotect it while you make the changes! Just tell me when you are finished and I'll protect it again. - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 04:37, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
: I don't yet know what Guanaco is talking about.  Keep it protected at the moment, it may take a day or two to figure out what is being proposed (I haven't found the mentioned ability but doubt it is relevant to the changes I tried).  Also Guanaco hasn't identified the noticed oddity.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:44, 4 December 2005 (UTC))

== Response to your poll request and also RFCs/RFAs ==

Hi SEW; I've been looking at your poll, the recent RFC and the RFA.  I won't, for the moment, be responding on the climate change page directly, since I think that a wider consensus is needed than just at one page.  I will probably try to open up a general poll / discussion soon.  

I also saw the RFC & RFA.  I began to research this and after some reading found things which I thought might explain why you have been acting as you have; including some things being done that I thought were wrong,  I was thinking about adding some supporting evidence to the RFA, but I realised that to do so I would pretty much have to put words in your mouth.  For that reason, I'd like to ask that you first respond with some comment about how you feel (as opposed to evidence) and why.  

One current problem, for your fair treatment, is that many people come into this discussion with little background.  All they see is that you have an editing dispute with someone and that you have then continued to try to get that person blocked, even when various admins have said that that block isn't needed.  An explanation of what you have been doing like, for example, "I felt attacked and the admins did nothing" would really help.  If you wish to discuss then feel free to contact me (wiki or email etc.) [[User:Mozzerati|Mozzerati]] 23:14, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

: I'll be supplying more comments when they are ready.  I've seen what happens when one responds piecemeal and hurried judgements take place from partial information.  No hurry, the arbitrators are being slow to supply information and answers also.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC))

== Bot: thank you ==

Hi SEWilco, my compliments for your bot's hard work of turning article URLs into footnotes. This has been a bugbear of mine. What we need next is someone to change the NCBI/PubMed URLs into scientific footnotes. There is a possibility of doing batch citations from PubMed[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/getids.cgi], although I'm not sure if that would include decoding PMIDs. At any rate, if this is possible we could feed the URLs into your bot and change Web references to PubMed into Journal References. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 19:18, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: That is indeed planned soon.  It has been delayed by a rewrite using different parsing technology, which was required for several improvements including such citation and source examination.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 19:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC))
::Ditto, i saw it pass through some articles on my watchlist too.  Good job.  [[User:Daycd|David D.]] [[User talk:Daycd|(Talk)]] 20:38, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: Although processing of individual citations is planned, design of the bot presently is oriented toward cleaning up individual articles and citations.  There is a balance required between processing citation information and sweeping through an external collection of data such as PubMed.  I will be using interfaces such as the one you mentioned, and have pointed out additional possibilities which may require Wikipedia Board action.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 19:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC))

I've sent an email to NCBI about this. What sort of "Board action" were you referrring to? [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 19:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: There are situations where it would be helpful for my bot to use Google:Scholar results.  I've also encountered Wikipedia citation information which Google:Scholar seemed to not be aware of, such as an online copy of often-cited work.  This suggests a mutually beneficial relationship, where data from Wikipedia (or its users) can enhance Scholar's data, and details for partial data can improve Wikipedia's citations.  Google already has policies and tools which allow some of this activity.  I've pointed this out to WP R&D.  However, due to legal and corporate roadblocks it can be difficult to get such suggestions to someone in Google who can consider them.  I understand the Wikimedia Foundation already has a relationship with Google, and this could send such suggestions to Google for their consideration (such as Google's lawyers ensuring ideas don't entangle their IP and then passing it on to the right staff).  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 21:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC))

Strong support for the footnoting bot. Great work. [[User:Stirling_Newberry |Stirling Newberry]] 12:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

==Last call==
I am about done with [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Workshop]]. I'll put those proposals on [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Proposed decision]] in a few days. Please make any comments or provide evidence which is relevant. I see here that folks like your bot. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 22:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:: Nice start, although you should wait for all the evidence.  As the arbitrators haven't even finished supplying their required rationale, so there didn't seem to be a hurry.  Not that evidence is easy for this case.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC))

== country templates ==


It might be easier to work with country/flag template information through {{tl|countryedit}}.  Of course, there is no ISO country code for NJ nor an Olympic abbreviation. ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:46, 7 December 2005 (UTC))

:Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of this set of templates. --[[User:ChrisRuvolo|ChrisRuvolo]] ([[User talk:ChrisRuvolo|t]]) 18:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Request for Clarification ==

Hi SEWilco,

can you please clarify if you address me or [[User:Fred Bauder]] in your [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitration%2FClimate_change_dispute_2%2FWorkshop&diff=30632121&oldid=30622767 recent edit] at 
[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Workshop]]?

Thanks!

--[[User:Stephan Schulz|Stephan Schulz]] 21:29, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

: Clarified.  The motion itself is not signed.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 21:34, 8 December 2005 (UTC))

== [[Wikipedia:User Bill of Rights]] ==

Interesting concept, would be nice to see it grow and expand into something substational. It a shame it it more or less, or well be, DOA, once the "insert name of group that does not acknowledge it existence but its actions prove it" get a whiff of it. --[[User:Boothy443|Boothy443]] | [[User talk:Boothy443| trácht ar]] 09:37, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

== doctl ==

you should type <nowiki>{{subst:Doctl}}</nowiki> <sub>→<font style="color:#975612">[[User:AzaToth|Aza]]</font><font style="color:#325596">[[User_talk:AzaToth|Toth]]</font></sub> 03:35, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
: Hmm.  I was looking at the diff.  I guess I see what the first template does now.  Obviously it needs documentation too :-)  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC))
::* hahahahaha :), the doclt utilize some of the moste stange things in wiki, test it so can you see :)

== Re: User Bill of Rights ==

You can see my comments at [[Wikipedia talk:User Bill of Rights]], but, out of curiosity, what brought my name to your attention specifically?--[[User:Sean Black|Sean]]|[[User talk:Sean Black|Bla]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">ck</span>]]
: I think it was a comment or vote in Silverback's admin culture discussion/RfC.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC))

== ref usage ==

''You might have better luck with [[Gulf Stream]] if you use {{tl|ref}} and {{tl|note}} for all refs which don't need ref_label/note_label.  Use the ref_label/note_label only for links other than the first one, and let "#" ahead of the References to provide automatic numbering of the list.  Then when a new note is inserted in References the numbering will adjust and only the ref_note numbers will need adjustment; the links will still work although ref_note numbers will be wrong.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC))''

: Thanks very much for the advice.  I didn't quite understand your suggestion to 'let "#" ahead of the References', but I think otherwise I've done as you propose and it seems to be working.  From what you've said, I now understand that it is more robust for the addition of future extra references to avoid "ref label" except in the case of the duplicate reference to the same footnote.  -- [[User:JimR|JimR]] 09:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

: Thanks also for explaining the "#" part to number the footnotes: now done.  -- [[User:JimR|JimR]] 03:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

== Galloway footnotes ==

replied on my talk page--[[User:JK the unwise|JK the unwise]] 10:54, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

== Changing links to footnotes ==

SE, I've briefly blocked your bot because I see it's changing embedded links to footnotes again, against [[WP:CITE]]. Did you discuss with anyone that you were doing this, or get permission to use it? [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 14:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:If you read [[WP:V]], you'll see the examples it gives are of embedded links and Harvard references, although it allows footnotes too. All three styles are allowed under [[WP:CITE]], as you know, and we're not allowed to change from one style to another without gaining consensus on the page. Where there is a dispute, the first style used in the article should be deferred to. I'm confused, because you know this already, so I'm not sure how to proceed regarding your bot. Do you plan to continue using it to change citation styles to footnotes? [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 14:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:: Which part of [[WP:CITE]] is violated by adding details about sources?  It says "The most important thing is to enter comprehensive reference information — that is, enough information so that a reader can find the original source with relative ease.", and SEWilcoBot is adding reference information which helps find the original source (particularly if the URL later goes dead).  Also if you read [[WP:V]] further you see that the important part of the examples is not the inline links but rather the detailed citation information.  Use of an inline link is only accepted as a minimal citation for lack of any other detail, and it is expected that other editors will improve the citation.  And when you run your revert button again to restore SEWilcoBot versions, leave George Galloway alone because that one has additional edits on it already.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 14:34, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

:::The part of [[WP:CITE]] that is violated is where it says not to change from one citation style to the other without consensus, and that in the case of a dispute, leave it in the style first used.
:::When embedded links and Harvard referencing are used correctly, a full citation is added to the references section, so all the information is there. We don't have control over editors who don't use the citation styles correctly. All we can do is explain how they should be used. 
:::To look at just one example of a page your bot changed, [[Northern Pacific Railway Museum]], if you look at your bot's version [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Northern_Pacific_Railway_Museum&oldid=29037695] and the version it changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Pacific_Railway_Museum#endnote_nprymuseum.org.267], how does your bot's version supply more information? All it does is force the reader to the bottom of the page to find the link.
:::Anyway, the point is that the bot is editing against [[WP:CITE]]. Can you let me know whether you intend to continue or whether we can agree that you'll stop using it to do this? [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 14:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:::: I'm adding content for citations, which is supported by both [[WP:V]] and [[WP:CITE]].  "Style" is the appearance of the article, and replacing a numbered link with another numbered link does retain the same style.  The [[Northern Pacific Railway Museum]] change added the title of the document and the date it was accessed, both of which are needed for [[WP:CITE]] recovery instructions.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CITE#What_to_do_when_a_reference_link_.22goes_dead.22]  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:05, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

:::::If you want to add more citation detail, you're welcome to do so, but you can do that without changing to footnotes. That is the point here. Please don't use the bot to change embedded links or Harvard references to footnotes unless you gain consensus for the change on each of the article talk pages. I have to decide what to do regarding extending the block, or not, so can you let me know what your intentions are regarding the bot? [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 15:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::: That edits are done by the bot is not relevant, I run it manually and have been reviewing all its edits.  You have blocked me for following Wikipedia policy [[WP:V]].  If you want to forbid use of [[Wikipedia:Footnotes]] or change [[WP:V]] then make a proposal in those Talk pages.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:31, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

:::::::Footnotes are not forbidden, but nor are embedded links. What isn't allowed is to go around changing from one style to another without consensus. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 15:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::::: A URL alone is not a full citation and adding more detail is encouraged.  If you want to change [[WP:V]] then make a proposal in its Talk page.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

:::::::::No, if ''you'' want to change [[WP:V]], you make a proposal on its talk page. As it stands, it allows embedded links, as does [[WP:CITE]], as you know very well. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 16:05, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::: It allows embedded links but prefers more detailed citation information.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 21:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

== Arbitration participation impossible ==

I have been blocked from editing and can not participate in Arbitration Committee activity.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

:You have not been blocked from editing. Your bot has been blocked. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 15:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:: I have been blocked.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

::I suspect that since he and his bot edit from the same machine (and hence same IP address) the autoblocker catches SEWilco in your block of SEWilcoBot.
::SEWilco, I'll lift the block(s) if you agree not to make further changes to footnote styles until the question of their appropriateness is settled. [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 15:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
:::ToAT, [[User:SEWilco]] edited [[George Galloway]] twice after the bot was blocked, so what does he mean by saying he can't edit? [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 16:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:::: I mean that when I click on "edit this page" (or "view source") I was getting a message that my IP was blocked by SlimVirgin.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 20:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

=== TenOfAllTrades ===
::::: Did you try to edit while logged out?  Something seems to have tripped the autoblocker.  Mysterious.  It seems that you can edit now, at least.  I'd urge you to refrain from using the bot to make footnote changes until the appropriateness of that use can be hashed out.  [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 21:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::: No, although I did try to run SEWilcoBot on a sandbox.  What is inappropriate about adding details about source material?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 21:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

:::::::In general, there's nothing inappropriate about adding details about source material.  The problem is that you're not asking the right question.  It ''is'' inappropriate to run a bot that makes changes to page style where those changes are controversial...and, indeed, related to a case currently being arbitrated.  There's obviously some dispute about citation style and content on the pages in question; its best not to run a bot until ''after'' some resolution of the dispute is achieved.  [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 22:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::::: The citations bot is just a user helper script, it is not running independently.  Treat it as being me doing the editing.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 00:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

::::::::: If you want edits to be treated as you doing the editing, it might be best to use your own account, rather than your 'bot' account. [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 06:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::: For this [[WP:V]] policy discussion, treat it as being me doing the editing.  Browse through SlimVirgin's or SEWilcoBot's recent activity and you can see History of those articles shows the pace of my editing, as well as she is seeing some of those articles have my manual edits wrapped around SEWilcoBot.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

== refs ==

Not quite sure i understand exactly why you have been banned. Anyway good luck in having it over turned. I wish that I had known that you had a bot for converting ref's before I spent so long doing the [[February 15, 2003 anti-war protest|Feb 15]] page!--[[User:JK the unwise|JK the unwise]] 17:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

== A sincere question edit ==

I don’t understand your edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=30898351&oldid=30856941 here] at [[User talk:Jimbo Wales#A sincere question]]. - [[User:Ted Wilkes|Ted Wilkes]] 19:36, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
: I was asking why the question/proposal was not being considered based on the text of the proposal.  I thought the editorial spew about an editor was not relevant to the proposal.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 20:54, 12 December 2005 (UTC))
==[[:Image:Last glacial vegetation map.png]]==
Hey there... I was just looking at [[:Image:Last glacial vegetation map.png]], and it appears that Antarctica and SE New Zealand were hmmm... Tropical Grassland.  Got a source for that?  ;-)  [[User:TShilo12|Tom]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">e</span>]][[User:TShilo12|r]][[User talk:TShilo12|<sup style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #129dbc!important;">talk</sup>]] 06:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
: I think Antarctica has the "Continent" color.  The source seems to have moved, I added links to other maps to the image description.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC))
:: Oh. I see!  So, then, it's only SE NZ that's tropical grassland?  ;-)  [[User:TShilo12|Tom]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">e</span>]][[User:TShilo12|r]][[User talk:TShilo12|<sup style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #129dbc!important;">talk</sup>]] 10:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

== Can your bot help? ==

Hi SEWilco. In [[WP:TFD#To orphan]] there are, at present, 3 templates to be orphaned and deleted. I'd do them myself, only they each have a considerable number of articles containing them at present. I wonder is your bot able to help out? Thanks. -[[User:Splash|Splash]]<small><sup>[[User talk:Splash|talk]]</sup></small> 05:52, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
: No.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 06:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC))

== Thanks ==

Thanks for the heads-up [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]   |  [[User talk:Slrubenstein|Talk]] 16:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

== Cancer refs ==

I didn't know there were still URLs in the article body. I think it's a good idea to turn them into footnotes. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 07:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== Your expertise needed ==

Hi! [[WP:WPC]] could use your help; please see the bottom of [[Template talk:Infobox Country|this talk page]]. Thanks in advance! [[Image:European-Austrian flag hybrid.svg|20px]] [[User:Nightstallion|ナイトスタリオン]] [[User_talk:Nightstallion|✉]] 09:02, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
: Template implemented, discussion in the above page.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 22:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC))


==Gettysburg Address==

First off, THANKS so much for your work on the references.  I would like to replicate your work on some other articles that need it (specifically, [[Killian documents]], which is a mess in many ways...) but I wasn't sure of the significance of the digits at the end of your template for the web references,  e.g. "<nowiki>{{note|www.bartleby.com.274}}</nowiki>".  What's that about, do I need to use it?
<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Kaisershatner|Kaisershatner]] ([[User talk:Kaisershatner|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kaisershatner|contribs]]) 19:43, 20 December 2005  (UTC{{{3|}}})</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned2] -->
: Those are numbers added by the citations bot as a side effect of its operation.  The label name can be alphanumeric and some other characters, although not a space character.  See [[WP:FN]].  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:25, 21 December 2005 (UTC))
::Thanks for your reply.  I've been trying manually to convert the refs in [[Killian documents]] but I'm running out of steam.  If you think the bot would help, I'd be delighted.  [[User:Kaisershatner|Kaisershatner]] 17:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
::: You were running out of steam?  The bot was running out of steam!  What a collection.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC))

== Blocked ==

Don't expect to hear much from me.  An Administrator with no email address autoblocked me indefinitely, with a reason which does not make sense if he/she had read what he/she simultaneously reverted.  Development of the country infobox transfer bot continues, but there will be no updates to its discussion.    ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC))

:I blocked the new user RefBot as a precautionary measure.  It edited [[User:SEWilcoBot]] to point to itself, but there was no edit from you to confirm that it was really you and not an impostor.  Bots tend to make a lot of edits that nobody really checks (remember the fake Uncle G bot a while back), so impostor bots can be a problem.  By the way, for some reason I thought you were an admin and would be able to unblock it yourself.  For what it's worth, I don't believe autoblocks are ever indefinite (unless the implementation changed recently?) -- [[User:Curps|Curps]] 19:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

:: Of course there was no edit to point to a not yet fully defined user, and SEWilco was logged out while RefBot was logged in.  There were SEWilco edits a few minutes before RefBot appeared, so I was around.  And the autoblock is for 24 hours, but they keep getting reset to a later expiration time which is following the indefinite block.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 19:33, 23 December 2005 (UTC))

::: Are you sure you're blocked? [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3ASEWilco] [[User:Enochlau|enochlau]] ([[User talk:Enochlau|talk]]) 21:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

:::: I'm sure I was. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3ARefBot]  For some reason the autoblocker isn't showing in the Block log, but there were several autoblocks created so it was in effect an indefinite autoblock.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:19, 24 December 2005 (UTC))

==Final decision==
The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2]] case. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 18:09, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
: Another example of the need for [[Wikipedia:User Bill of Rights]].  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 20:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC))

== Something's broke ==

Hello - Could you take a look at the [[Levy skew alpha-stable distribution]] article? The [[:Template:ref_harvard]] and [[:Template:note_label]] combination seems to be broken. There are three references in the first two paragraphs and clicking on them does nothing, whereas before it would direct you to the refs. Thanks - [[User:PAR|PAR]] 14:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
: I see one cause and am working on it.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:21, 24 December 2005 (UTC))
:: Work interrupted by an Administrator blocking me on bad faith and in obvious error.  Change your ref_harvard and note_label to define something for all the parameters.  For note_label try "1|a" or "1|none".  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:24, 25 December 2005 (UTC))

== Temporarily blocked RefBot ==

Hi.

I have blocked RefBot temporarily while trying to understand its purpose.   The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change_dispute_2#SEWilco_placed_on_Probation recent Arbcom decision] says:
  3) SEWilco should not use a bot to convert citations on articles, nor should he manually convert 
  citation styles on any articles.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hubert_Selby_Jr.&diff=prev&oldid=32562024 This edit] looks to me like RefBot is converting citations on an article.  Can you explain to me how this is in conformance with the terms of your probation?  Perhaps I'm just misunderstanding what's going on.  Drop me a line and let me know.  Thanks. [[User:Nandesuka|Nandesuka]] 14:58, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
: The article style already uses [[WP:FN]].  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:00, 24 December 2005 (UTC))
:: Sure.  But how does that matter?  The Arbcom decision doesn't say anything about article style.  It says "SEWilco should not use a bot to convert citations on articles..."  That was a citation on an article.  You used a bot to convert it.  I've asked Arbcom to clarify their decision, but on the face of it I don't think that edit is permitted. [[User:Nandesuka|Nandesuka]] 15:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
::: I did not convert a citation, I created a citation where none had existed.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC))
:::: I think your argument is too subtle for a simple man like me to understand.  A citation is a reference to a book, paper, or other work.[http://www.bartleby.com/61/11/C0371100.html].  The inline link was a reference to the guardian web site.  You converted it to the format you prefer.  In any event, I'm sure the Arbcom will clarify for us if I am mistaken. [[User:Nandesuka|Nandesuka]] 15:26, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
::::: I created a citation in the format which is already in use in the article.  Remove the block until you know what you are doing.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:33, 24 December 2005 (UTC))
:::::: No.  The bot's activities contravene the plain reading of the ArbCom's decision.  If another admin thinks I have made a mistake, I will not object if they lift the block.  And obviously if a clarification from Arbcom comes down that indicates that my reading is in error, I'll be glad to lift the block myself.  If, on the other hand, my reading is ''not'' in error, then I think you are fortunate that it is only the bot that is blocked at this point.  [[User:Nandesuka|Nandesuka]] 15:38, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::: A URL link alone is not a citation. "[[WP:CITE#Complete_citations_in_a_.22References.22_section|complete citations — also called "references," because the citations identify the referred-to sources — are collected at the end of the article under a ==References== heading]]".  Keep reading plainly.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC))

Three arbitrators on the mailing list have now indicated that this is exactly what you are not supposed to use bots to do. [[User:Snowspinner|Phil Sandifer]] 20:14, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
: No, I did not convert the article format.  The format was already using [[WP:FN]], so additions are also supposed to use that format.  I did maintenance on the article and created the missing citation, which [[WP:CITE]] states should exist in boldface several times.  There was no citation to convert.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 21:50, 25 December 2005 (UTC))
::I repeat - three arbitrators have said RefBot should be blocked uner the terms of your ruling. Since they made the rule, I feel they are entitled to declare it to work this way. [[User:Snowspinner|Phil Sandifer]] 23:34, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
::: And nor may I do that manually.  So they're confirming that they refuse to follow [[WP:V]] and adding that on existing articles I must not follow [[WP:CITE]], [[WP:MOS-L]], etc.  Some encyclopedia we're building here.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:23, 26 December 2005 (UTC))

== Blocked with poorly defined explanation ==

Now I've been blocked erroneously by an Administrator that apparently thinks [[User:RefBot]] is a hidden account or something.  I had made links to it from [[User:SEWilco]] and [[User:SEWilcoBot]], and the Admin is claiming authority under a ruling which applies to me under any account.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:36, 25 December 2005 (UTC))

:It's not a hidden account, but you're operating it to try to game the AC ruling. If you want to be banned completely, you're certainly heading in the right direction. Stop pulling stupid shit - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 20:13, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

:: What does "operating it to try to game the AC ruling" mean?  Do you think there is something about that account which makes its operation have a different relationship to the ruling from SEWilcoBot?  Did I set something wrong in its Preferences?  And why is it referred to as a "second account" when it is my third?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 21:57, 25 December 2005 (UTC))

== RefBot blocked erroneously ==
[[User:RefBot]] has been blocked indefinitely with the current explanation "username created only to evade arbcom ruling".  This is incorrect.  As has been explained to the blocking Admin, RefBot was spun off (before the ArbCom ruling) because it has become too specialized for the utility and development account [[User:SEWilcoBot]].  Evasion also does not make sense with an account labeled as belonging to me, as the ArbCom refers to me under any account and was aware of [[User:SEWilcoBot]].  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 01:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC))

== References ==

You may have already found out about this, but this could be your saviour: the new Cite extension (see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php). This basically provides intrinsic support for citations into MediaWiki, and combines the power of the footnoting templates currently in use with the ease of use of inline references as demanded by WMC. Although the ArbCom decision prevents you from unilaterally changing reference styles, you may like to raise this with other contributors on the pages that you regularly edit. Cheers. [[User:Enochlau|enochlau]] ([[User talk:Enochlau|talk]]) 13:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
: I've been working with the author of Cite on it already, as it does look like a useful tool.  There was no need to mention it along with many details; or maybe there was a need but the "case" was so poorly defined the need was not apparent.  The ArbCom's decision is too ambiguous to be very useful and I've asked for clarification.  The consolidation of [[WP:CITET]] will be awkward without RefBot's next version.  Updating/replacing "ref/note" even more so due to variety of citation structures.  Maybe converting "ref/note" to "cite" is not considered "converting citation" if the effect is the same.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:01, 27 December 2005 (UTC))
: For that matter, the ArbCom ruling is so ambiguous that I may not be allowed to discuss how someone else might change a citation.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:04, 27 December 2005 (UTC))

==ArbCom election==

I have been adding a query regarding the Bill of Rights, along with the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Code of Conduct]], to those candidate pages where you have not already asked it, and I am attempting to compile a list of responses. Obviously, a "correct" answer would not be the sole criterion for evaluating a candidate, but does separate the sheep from the goats. I have found that in previous elections, it is very difficult to know what an ArbCom candidate is actually going to do, just by reading their statements. Incidentally, Silverback has waged a fairly gutsy campaign against what he calls the "admin culture of abuse," which leads me to have some confidence in his intentions to clean things up around here.

I presume that your motivations are similar to mine; I had a recent experience with the present ArbCom which convinced me that the present line-up is hopelessly corrupt, and more than happy to abuse its power to promote one POV over another, without any pretense of a justification founded on official Wikipedia policies. I have concluded that the only real solution is some sort of formal check on ArbCom powers, but I will settle for new ArbCom members that acknowledge that there is a problem.

I am astonished at the wild machinations aimed at suppressing the Bill of Rights. You would think that its opponents would simply encourage votes against it, but they seem to want to bury it altogether, so that the Wikipedia community will be unaware the the issue was ever raised. I find this very creepy -- maybe a lot of these Wikipedians are hoping to land a position at the ''[[Washington Post]]'' or something. --<font color ="darkred"><font face ="georgia">[[User:Herschelkrustofsky|HK]]</font></font> 07:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

== Violation of probation ==

Hi SEW, you've been reported for a violation of your probation by changing citation styles at [[Sea level rise]] and have been blocked for 72 hours. This was agreed upon by at least three admins as required by the arbitration committee. See [[WP:AN/I#User:SEWilco]]. If you feel the block is unwarranted, you're welcome to e-mail me using the link on my user page. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 04:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

== Blocked again ==

My work has again been interrupted by interference by "Administrator" [[User:SlimVirgin]].  She blocked me based on her incomplete information to [[WP:AN/I#User:SEWilco]].  In article [[Sea level rise]], [[User:William M. Connolley]] had deleted material contrary to his POV while claiming in [[Talk:Sea level rise]] that he couldn't find the connection between citations and the related material.  Because one link had gone dead WMC deleted the section [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sea_level_rise&diff=32581406&oldid=32218470] instead of following [[WP:CITE]] and leaving the supporting link or finding a copy of the material.  WMC claims URL-only citations are sufficient but obviously couldn't find a replacement link using only the URL.  I restored more complete citations which [[User:William M. Connolley]] had deleted because he didn't have time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sea_level_rise&diff=32218470&oldid=32210463]  While adding clarifications to the information I was blocked.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC))

:The meaning of the ruling is that you are not allowed to change from one citation style to another ''for any reason whatsoever''. When you asked for clarification, Fred Bauder replied: "Please assume the broadest possible interpretation. We will back up any administrator that blocks you under a broad interpretation." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wp:rfar#Clarification_of_User:SEWilco_probation] Having said that, this example didn't even involve a broad interpretation. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 04:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:: The citations already existed and you neglected to mention that.  Stop deleting information from Wikipedia.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sea_level_rise&diff=34197439&oldid=34196943][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sea_level_rise&diff=34203920&oldid=34203769]  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC))

:::At the risk of making a fool of myself, I'm going to [[WP:AGF|assume you genuinely don't understand the ruling]]. When you changed <nowiki>[http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/425.htm]</nowiki> (which looks like this [http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/425.htm] in the text) to <nowiki>{{ref|www.grida.no.454}}</nowiki> (which looks like this {{ref|www.grida.no.454}}), you changed the citation style. ''You are not allowed to do that''. Not for any reason.

:::If you feel more citation information is needed, you must add it using the citation style already used throughout the article. In this case, that would have meant adding a full citation to the References section for the article linked to. But not a citation in the form of footnotes, because that would have meant changing the citation style. [[Sea level rise]] currently does not use a footnote system, so you are not allowed to add one.

:::In this case, a full citation would have involved writing something like the following in the References section:
:::*[http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/425.htm "Changes in Sea Level"], Climate Change 2001, Working Group I: The Scientific Basis, ''Intergovermental Panel on Climate Change'', undated, retrieved January 7, 2006

:::That gives you all the information you need, exactly the same amount of information as with a footnote system. Let me know if there's something you still don't understand, and I'll try to explain it further. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 05:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:::: See the above mentioned [[Talk:Sea level rise]], where WMC can't find the text associated with unlinked references.  I restored the existing "converted" links to more complete citations (deleted by WMC because of a lack of time), I did not "convert" again.  Now, why is it OK for you to delete those more detailed citations instead of changing them to the format which you prefer?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC))

:::::Whether you restored a citation system that had been there earlier, or converted for the first time, and whether or not WMC can or can't find something, you are not allowed for any reason to make an edit that changes a style like this <nowiki>[http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/425.htm]</nowiki> (which looks like this [http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/425.htm] in the text) to a style like this <nowiki>{{ref|www.grida.no.454}}</nowiki> (which looks like this {{ref|www.grida.no.454}} in the text). And you are not allowed to add footnotes to the end of the page either. That is the important point to grasp: not for any reason, no matter how good. 

:::::As for me changing it back, I don't have a preference regarding which style this article should use, because I'm not editing it. All I'm doing is reverting your citation changes following the arbcom ruling. It's  up to the editors on the page which citation style to use, and you are one of the editors, so you can be involved in the discussion about it, but you're not allowed to be the one who makes the change. Is that clearer? [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 05:59, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::: Yes.  I may add details but not touch, improve, or make easier to use an existing URL, despite any otherwise overriding Official Policy?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 06:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC))

:::::::That's more or less correct. You would be allowed to add information so long as you used exactly the same citation system as before. For example, if you found an article that had a URL as a source, but no full citation in the References section, then you could add that full citation, but not in the form of a footnote. If any of the touching, improving, or making it easier to use involves changing the citation system, you would not be allowed to do it. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 06:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::: IMO, this is ridiculous. Just the other day you reverted his edits to [[Battle of Singapore]] when ''we wanted'' the new citation style (we being the people at the [[Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board|SGpedians' ntotice board]]). That said, yes, what if ''we'' want it (or whoever else happens to be editing the article)? For that matter, Surely the Arbcom ruling was merely to prevent edit wars over the citation style, ''not'' make ridiculous restrictions on actual contributions to articles that we couldn't be bothered with otherwise? My original intent was to see if SEWilco's bot could help me with automatically converting some articles to use a footnote system if requested, but apparently the arbitration ruling prevents him such. [[User:Natalinasmpf|Elle <small><font color="#CC9920">vécut heureusement</font></small> <small><font color="blue"><sub>toujours dorénavant</sub></font></small>]] ([[User talk:Natalinasmpf|Be eudaimonic!]]) 07:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::If the other editors agree on the talk page to change citation styles, you're of course allowed to do that. But the ruling says that SEWilco is not allowed to do it, because a complaint was made against him for doing it against consensus. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 07:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::: I'm lazy (or just pressurised with lots of articles to work on). His bot isn't, or himself for that matter. Again, isn't the arbitration request simply supposed to prevent him from changing citation styles out of his own whim and fancy (and to prevent edit wars), and not when consensus wants the new citation style? [[User:Natalinasmpf|Elle <small><font color="#CC9920">vécut heureusement</font></small> <small><font color="blue"><sub>toujours dorénavant</sub></font></small>]] ([[User talk:Natalinasmpf|Be eudaimonic!]]) 07:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::The ruling is that SEWilco must not change from one citation style to another. If there is consensus on the page, other editors will make the change, but in this case, there is no sign of consensus. On the contrary, the other editors keep reverting him. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 19:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::: [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] requires no consensus for improving verifiability.  And until the restrictions on me, [[Wikipedia:Footnotes]] was both documented as being an intermediate step toward better methods and could track any better methods within days of such becoming available.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 02:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC))

:::::::::::::That is correct, SEW. You are allowed to improve reference material but you must do that within the citation style already on the page. All citation styles give the same information, when used correctly. A full citation should always be given in the References or Notes section with every citation style. Just as you would not add a number to a text without a corresponding footnote, you should not add an embedded link to a text without a corresponding citation in the References section. So please do improve things, but do not change the citation style. I hope that is clear now. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|<sup style="color:purple;">(talk)</sup>]] 03:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::::: Yes, now that is the case.  My paragraph before yours was referring to your reference to the edit wars before the ArbCom ruling, where there were "other editors" reverting.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:25, 8 January 2006 (UTC))

The arbcomm ruling is perfectly clear; SEW, you do yourself no favours by pretending not to understand it. That said, Natalina makes a fair point: you are interested in fixing refs which other people often neglect. I make two suggestions: 

* copy the article, with updated references, into a /tmp on the talk page; point it out to people on the talk page. If someone likes it, they will insert it.
* update the article refs, then revert to the previous version. Again, note on the talk page, and if people like it they will revert to the updated version. This might just be a technical violation of your parole, but I can't see anyone would complain, and I would certainly argue in your defence that this was simply making a different version available if people chose to use it.

Needless to say, these should only be done if you're unsure: where people have made it clear that they object (certainly covered by SLR), you should leave the article ref style unchanged.

I have a third suggestion, which is that the new cite extension almost but not quite renders this whole problem moot. Why not work with the developer to try to make it cover both cases?

[[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] 20:56, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

: I'm sure someone would be just thrilled to delete the number of /tmp pages which would be involved in the many articles without full citations.  What is the "this whole problem"?  What are the "both cases"?  I've been involved with Cite before it was installed here, but how does yet another format do more than offer another format not to "convert"?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 02:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC))

:: You prefer the footnote style. I (and others) prefer inline links. Cite.pm could, potentially, generate either from the same text, depending on the users or the pages preferences. This would solve the dispute over reference format. [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] 11:10, 8 January 2006 (UTC).

::: And as I told you in another Talk page, I was also adding a "url=" parameter to [[WP:FN]] tools before Cite existed; this was interrupted by the AUTOINCREMENT experiment by the author of Cite.pm.  The advantage of Cite.pm here is that Cite.pm can produce a single link to a citation (numbered or labeled link) with a non-numbered external link symbol where the symbol itself is the link (WP:FN can not create a linked image).  There are many ways of producing inline links to external pages, and support for all of them is required.  What is required by [[WP:V]] is full citations, and [[WP:V]] does not require one-click access by nonexistent users rather than two-click access.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 18:45, 8 January 2006 (UTC))

::: Again, what is "this whole problem moot" and what are the "both cases" to which you refer?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 18:45, 8 January 2006 (UTC))

== Citations ==

I don't know much about the ArbCom case involving you (and don't particularly want to) but just so you know, there's a new citation feature available at [[m:Cite/Cite.php]].  If you could use that in future, it would be appreciated.  Cheers, [[User:Sam Korn|<nowiki>[[Sam Korn]]</nowiki>]] 23:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
: Look above and you'll see others pointed it out and I've been involved with Cite before it was mentioned here.  I use whatever Wikipedia best practices are available.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 02:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC))
::My apologies.  I was in a hurry when making the comment.  [[User:Sam Korn|<nowiki>[[Sam Korn]]</nowiki>]] 23:09, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

== Template:Country alias Akrotiri and Dhekelia ==

I have put [[:Template:Country alias Akrotiri and Dhekelia]] up for CSD.  If this is something you are in the middle of working on please remove the CSD notice and replace it with content or an ''inuse'' tag. Thanks! -- [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype; font-size:larger;">xaosflux</span>]] [[User_talk:Xaosflux|<sup style="color:#00FF00;">Talk</sup>]]<font color="#888888">/</font><sub>[[Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit|<font color="#666666">CVU</font>]]</sub> 06:32, 10 January 2006 (UTC) <small>If needed, please reply on my talk page </small>
: As the edit comment suggested, this is part of a data array used by tools related to [[Template:Flag]].  CSD removed.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 06:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC))

== [[Wikipedia:Avoid using meta-templates]]  ==

The entire scheme around the various country_flag and country_infobox templates you've created is in violation of the [[WP:AUM]] policy.  The developers have confirmed that templates calling or within other templates cause extra processing.  This policy has been reaffirmed by the Arbitrators as valid.   The template namespace is not a general data repository.  -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 08:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

: Yes, and I pointed this out in [[Template_talk:Infobox_Country#Complete_list_of_country_articles_not_directly_using_.7B.7BInfobox_Country.7D.7D]].  The [[m:Help:Array]]s are being used for the minimal information for the tasks, intentionally not creating items for every parameter in Country infoboxes.  Also, the data repository which Jimbo described is one of the technologies to which I refer in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Flag_Template#Technical_issues]] as a replacement for the data array (there are other proposals such as selecting data within a page).  What is the development status of the data repository which Jimbo described last year?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 09:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC))

Please see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries/Infobox vote]] where a poll was held about the specific issue of country infoboxs.  The predominant, and ultimately accepted, practice was to use one common template and put the template's data in the country article itself.  Any suggestion to change to that strategy should be brought to the WikiPRoject itself, not the talk page of the Infobox (which should stick to the Infobox operation only). -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 09:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

: A poll a year ago, maybe that's why I didn't notice a link to it.  Further discussion on Infobox_Country should be over yonder (whether that's the Infobox or Project page).  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 09:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC))

==WMC RfA notices==

Why are you contacting all the participants in his priot RfA? [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:07, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
: In case they are interested in the new RFA.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
::78 votes have already been cast &mdash; do you not find this excessive? [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
::: In what way is the number of votes relevant?  To which phrase does the pronoun "this" refer in "this excessive"?  Please rephrase your question.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
::::I mean, it isn't as if it lacked many participants to the point that further input was needed to ''such an extent''. Thus, a comment on the Village Pump would have probably been sufficient; copy-pasting a notice on each person's talk page seems excessive. [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:46, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
::::: So you think voting should end at some number of votes.  Is 10 enough?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 08:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
::::::Not end; this was regarding further input through mass talk page notices versus a single notice on the Village Pump. [[User:El C|El_C]] 08:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::: It's a targeted list, and everyone on the list no matter how they voted.  Will you revert your changes?  You're interfering with the required full notification of everyone equally.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 08:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
:::::::: It appears we are at an impass, since I do not see it that way. Again, please feel free to seek additional input at WP:ANI if you strongly contest my position. Thanks. Regards, [[User:El C|El_C]] 08:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: Done.  Fortunately, I checked WP:AN/I and discovered the mistaken assumptions being discussed there by people who didn't bother asking for the facts.  Thanks for taking the time to ask instead of starting that secret hearing.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 09:05, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
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:::I reverted your changes as I found it constituted spam. Sorry. [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:::: That was rude and probably abusive.  Explain what you mean by "constituted spam".  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
:::::Hi again. I'm sorry you found it rude or abusive, but I really think you should have used the Village Pump as more central venue for such a notice. Mass copy-paste talk page notices is something we generally wish to discourage, everything else that's specific here aside. [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::: Notification of all participants in a discussion related to a vote is acceptable.  Got a rollback-rollback button?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
:::::::Hi again. Yes, I do. Please feel free to raise the matter on [[WP:ANI]]; perhaps I acted in error, in which case I would offer you my sincere apologies and try to draw the appropriate lessons. Thanks again for your time. Regards, [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:28, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: Restore the changes (does it take longer than 5 minutes?) and I see no need to report you to ANI.  Everyone forgets details at times.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
:::::: What were you trying to express in your inquiry about the number of votes?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
:::::::Please see above the line. Thanks. [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:47, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Hi again. It takes ~20 seconds, but I think you misunderstand. I am not inclined to restore the changes, although I do concede the possibility that I acted in error. I actually encourage you to place a notice on WP:ANI if you strongly contest my  position, so that we could fall back on the thoughts of other admins. Thanks. Regards, [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:46, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: I've been blocked before for posting in ANI, apparently they don't like many messages.  Notifying everyone in a vote is the non-spam requirement.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
:::::::While I mightn't have reverted the messages, campaigning for or against RFAs is frowned upon.  And, you should at least have checked to see if people had voted (Dunc, at least, had voted already).  [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] 07:43, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: I did check, then misread part of the list.  Wait, the list you're on... Great, I misread it again.  Well, at least I'm not under-notifying, as that is really frowned upon.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
:::::::: Nope, didn't misread the list showing "El C" had not already voted in RFA2.  You voted under another name?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 08:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC))
::::::::: Oh, that was a comment from Guettarda about Dunc.  I did not notify a Dunc, although I did notify a Duncharris who did not vote in RFA2.  I see, he's aliasing his name in the RFA2 vote to Dunc.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 08:20, 11 January 2006 (UTC))

== Blocked from commenting on William M. Connolley. ==

You have been blocked from commenting on the actions of [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]].  The official wording is below.

:''Per the consensus of myself, [[User:Ambi|Ambi]], and [[User:Extreme Unction|Extreme Unction]], SEWilco is blocked from commenting, either directly or indirectly, on the actions of [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]].  This is to be interpreted liberally.  This restriction is to last for one year, or until we believe that SEWilco can distinguish what actions are appropriate in respects to other users.  [[User:Ral315|Ral315]] [[User talk:Ral315|(talk)]] 14:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)''

See also the applicable [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#SEWilco blocked from commenting on William M. Connolley|WP:AN/I]] conversation.  [[User:Ral315|Ral315]] [[User talk:Ral315|(talk)]] 14:08, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

:I object. This flies in the face of freedom of speech. Yes, SEWilco sometimes can be a PITA. Yes, some of his comments and behavior violate [[WP:Point]] or [[WP:AGF]] or [[WP:CIV]]. But there is no reason for a blanket block on a whole class of comments. This message will go to [[User talk:SEWilco]], [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]], and [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2]] --[[User:Stephan Schulz|Stephan Schulz]] 14:28, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

: Three Administrators meeting in a corner can now issue rulings?  That's going to produce a lot of odd little rulings on many topics.    ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC))

::Actually the arbcomm ruling did, in effect, allow for something like this.  It's irrelevant though.  What baffles me is that you shuld be able to predict how the community would react to this, especially after the whole 3rr thing earlier.  At the same time, the more light there is on WMC's RFA, the more likely it is to pass.  Last time most of the oppose votes dealt specifically with the fact that he was under arbcomm restrictions.  This time its mostly from aetherometry people - just seeing ''their'' oppose votes is likely to push a neutral-to-mild-oppose voter to Support.  [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] 16:28, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

::: As I've stated above, I am indeed shining more light on WMC's RFA and don't know how those from the first RFA had voted.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC))

:::: '''Don't play dumb.''' You know the first RFA failed, so obviously the opinion of voters back then was less favourable than it is now.--[[User:Stephan Schulz|Stephan Schulz]] 16:47, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

::::: So obviously the opinion of voters has changed so the number of voters won't matter?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC))

: I invite Administrators to go to [[WP:AN/I]] and vote against this "block".  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC))

==Block of 2005-01-12==

You have been blocked for violating the injunction forbidding you from comment on WMC. This is due to your spamming of talk pages asking to be allowed to give a notice that clearly refers to the notice of WMC's RFA. 

On a more personal note, your attempts to game the system are unremarkable and will be unsuccessful. This is not a game where you can win if you can just figure out how to fit your behavior into a set of pre-defined rules. The problem is not how your behavior fits the letter of the law - it is how your behavior fails to fit the spirit.  [[User:Snowspinner|Phil Sandifer]] 05:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

: No, I only referred to the "block" which has been created.  I linked to "blocked from commenting" and asked for assistance with that restriction.  I can't complete the required notifications until that restriction is removed, and I only referred to "anti-spam process" which is not a reference to a voting process, so I did not refer to WMC nor the RFA.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC))

: Which spirit?  I recognize that your block fit right in with the custom on AN/I of taking action without bothering to find out the facts.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC))

: The problem is there is no letter of the law.  To not be spamming a vote, I have to notify everyone involved, but that has been interrupted by the "blocked from commenting".  So I have to remove the "blocked from commenting" both to participate in the RFA and to complete the required notifications.  To remove the "blocked from commenting" I have to persuade Administrators to cancel the restriction or create a counter-restriction.  To remove the "blocked from commenting" I have to discuss it but that same restriction won't let me refer to the restriction.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC))

::I cannot believe you find it this hard to understand what is being asked of you.  Which is to '''leave WMC alone''' in every respect.  ANY action about his RFA is prohibited.  Even telling people to go vote for him.  —[[User:Morven|Matthew Brown]] ([[User talk:Morven|T]]:[[Special:Contributions/Morven|C]]) 07:43, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

::: But that creates a violation of anti-spamming procedures which are required to ensure the RFA is fair, which makes the RFA not be fair.  My block also ensures that AN/I can penalize me for those violations while following the tradition of acting on partial information and assumptions rather than facts.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 13:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC))

::Briefly, the three admins who put forth the restriction (among many, many others&mdash;including me) have noticed that your conduct is generally reasonable and usually your contributions to this encyclopedia are positive.  ''However'', when you interact with WMC&ndash;or even focus your attention on him&ndash;the quality, tone, and usefulness of your edits decline sharply.
::The purpose of the restriction is to continue to allow you to edit productively and positively for the good of the encyclopedia, while preventing you from engaging in behaviour that many editors find disruptive.  Constantly trying to interact with/affect WMC is a waste of everyone else's time as well as yours, and only serves to soak up Wikimedia Foundation bandwidth and server space.
::If you refuse to understand that your behaviour is disruptive after so many editors have tried to explain the matter, further discussion of the point is unlikely to be worthwhile.  Try instead to understand that you ''will'' be blocked if you violate the editing restriction and that most admins are getting tired of the argument.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a debating society nor an arena where you can spar with WMC. [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 13:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

::: It is WMC's behavior which is the problem.  You are granting him ownership of the articles he chooses to mangle, such as with [[Talk:Sea_level_rise#Tuvalu]] where he deletes what disagrees with his POV even though there are at least two existing References (search for "Gayoom" and "Maldives").  I can't remember whether no article ownership from a policy or guideline, but please update that articles can now be owned.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 14:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC))

::::I have extended the block by 24 hours based on this comment (Specifically "It is WMC's behavior which is the problem.") [[User:Snowspinner|Phil Sandifer]] 18:48, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

: Notice that one user has confirmed that the message for which I have been blocked was indeed not a "notification", as he's not sure what I'm trying to say. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:UninvitedCompany&curid=2474816&diff=34855109&oldid=34854339] ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 14:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC))

== Request for your vote ==

I saw that you voted against the adminship of William M Connolly. I reviewed said candidate's actions on the Cold Fusion article and determined them to indeed be very biased and uncivil. I haven't looked at WC's actions on the aetherometry article yet though. The vast support for WC is truly disturbing. I am a candidate for the arbitration council. William M Connolly is precisely the type of biased and uncivil person that I would fight against.

I request that you review my candidate statement and questions at: [[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_January_2006/Vote/LawAndOrder]] , and consider voting for me, though only if you have suffrage for arbitration committee elections (registered before 9/30/2005, and have over 150 edits before 1/9/2006). The votes are vastly against me, so I will not win, but I have very few support votes, so voting for me will at least show that I (who is on your side) am less of a pariah. [[User:LawAndOrder|LawAndOrder]] 21:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

== Question re: [[:Template:NationsinOlympics]] ==

I'm confused as to why almost all the links in this template are hidden - can you enlighten me? Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold;">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
: Most of the pages do not exist.  If one exists, uncomment it.  I had tools for creating the list, now which makes further organization easier for editors.  And missing articles are easier to identify.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 06:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC))

== user conduct RfC on NSLE ==

I am planning to make a user conduct RfC on the rogue admin NSLE. I saw that NSLE libellously accused you of making a WP:POINT violation for making honest get-out-the-vote messages on the candidate William M Connolly, his POV ally. User conduct RfCs require a minimum of 2 people to initiate, so I ask that you be the second person.

He may have also made a libellous false accusation of WP:POINT violation by a person (KDRGibby) that voted against him that did not have suffrage, just because the 2 of them had come into conflict, but I have not investigated that particular case.

However, NSLE's most gross and clear-cut policy violations (recently, anyway) have been made against myself. I can hardly even list them all by memory. Let's see... 1. He has vandalized my candidate page under libellous pretenses, 2. He has blocked me under libellous pretenses in which he has projected his own behaviors onto me, 3. He has restored his vandalism on my candidate page after I had deleted it, and after he had blocked me, 4. After he blocked me, he deleted my report of his actions in Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts, as well as my report of his allies that have also violated policy while attacking me, 5. After he blocked me, he libellously discreditted me to a seemingly less-biased admin (Freestylefrappe), so as to convince said admin not to interfere with his gross policy violations against me, 6. He has falsely portrayed me by requesting a CheckUser on me under libellous pretenses (I don't mind the CheckUser itself; it's the false portrayal that one is warranted).

Also, it is becoming clear that NSLE is a member of a powerful POV-pushing policy-violating wikiclique that also definitely includes members Ambi, William M Connolly, and Ral315, and possibly many others as well, such as Joke137, Ems57fcva, Todfox, and Jeffrey O Gustafson. A user conduct RfC would also provide more evidence to implicate such wikiclique members, as NSLE's policy violations are so extreme and cut-and-dry that no honest user could possibly discount them.

some evidence, though yet incomplete: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_January_2006/Vote/LawAndOrder&diff=35096608&oldid=35086738][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_January_2006/Vote/LawAndOrder&diff=35096685&oldid=35096608][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Freestylefrappe&diff=35133820&oldid=35132274][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts&diff=35132939&oldid=35131819][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts&diff=35133019&oldid=35132939]

Well, I can't say that I didn't warn him not to grossly violate policy. Now, NSLE or one of his wikiclique allies might vandalise this talk page or block me under libellous pretenses now or later, so coordinate with me by emailing me at: cpt (at) icerocket.com . [[User:LawAndOrder|LawAndOrder]] 22:41, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

: NSLE did libel me by making assumptions, probably based on the initial poor report rather than checking the facts.  But you'll have to be more specific if you're going to produce a legible RFC; if the vandalism of your candidate page was the strikeout then you should show the strikeout was not a personal attack (otherwise the "truth" defense protects from being libel).  You are correct on several points, but I think NSLE is following Administrator customs.  These customs are so poor that it will be hard to show NSLE is rogue because so many do act that way.  I do think it was not necessary for NSLE to strike out part of your statement as that is part of your presentation for ArbCom status and if your candidacy is valid then your statement will help people to more quickly determine how to vote for you.  However, the statement was not deleted and it was still visible so it was minor vandalism.  I don't know where NSLE described what was the WP:POINT violation for the block, so I don't know what criteria were used for defining the disruption.  I find it hard to believe that a candidate's statement on the page where it is supposed to be would be a disruption, other than to the train of thought of voters who came looking for such information for their decision.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 06:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC))

FYI: LawAndOrder has been blocked infinitely by Kelly Martin, by the
request of NSLE. [[User:JSIN|JSIN]] 12:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
: I do not see such a block. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3ALawAndOrder]  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 14:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC))

::I apologise, this is an oversight on my part. [[User:JSIN|JSIN]] 01:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

== Thank you for voting! ==

Hello there! I wanted to thank you for taking the time to vote on my arbitration commitee nomination. Although it was not successful, I appreciate the time you spent to read my statement and questions and for then voting, either positively or negativly. Again, thank you! [[User:PZFUN|'''<span style="color:#000000;">Páll</span>''']] [[User talk:PZFUN|<sup style="color:#ff66cc;">('''Die&nbsp;pienk&nbsp;olifant''')</sup>]] 22:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

== 9/11 flight maps ==

Ooooh, pretty! Thanks for creating these, they look great. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:Bounty board|bounties]])</sup> 13:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== [[Climate of Antarctica]] references ==

I implemented Cite.php over there to reduce the amount of stuff, however, there are references to stuff not listed (1983, but nothing listed from 1983 etc.), and I have no idea how to properly cite the links, or what they are supposed to confirm exactly. Since you seem to be the main sitation maker there, could you have a look? [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 01:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

:I just noticed the probation on footnote, but I don't believe this is in violation, s it not a conversion (I converted), but rather making sure the references are properly made. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 02:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

:: Sorry for the delay; I've been busy coding the next version of RefBot and am not checking here often.  The 1983/Drewry info came from USGS Professional Paper 1386-B http://pubs.usgs.gov/prof/p1386b/ which credits Drewry.  Reference details are within there and you decide how to update the article; there already is a link to the paper in the article but not in "References" so any related updates are a "conversion" and I don't have time to deal with Administrator stupidity now.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 23:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC))

== Change of syntax desired for [[Template:FlagIOC]] ==
I see that you are the most active user for the FlagIOC templates.  I have started to "backfill" some of the old Olympic pages, and I think it would be very useful to have a more generic form of the FlagIOC template.  Basically, I want to add another argument, which would determine what page the country name links to.  For example, using '''<nowiki>{{FlagIOC|USA|2006 Winter}}</nowiki>''' would produce {{FlagIOC|USA|2006 Winter}} (same as now), but because the games name is an argument, it makes the template usable for ''any'' games.  This would be very useful for linking from the medal table in an old games to the "Country at the xxxx Olympics" page for that Olympiad.  Right now, most of the older medal tables have links to the country's page, which is not very useful.  I think this solution is a lot more scalable than the current practice of making FlagIOC-2006, FlagIOC-2004, etc. templates.  It is also useful for creating links to a country's "home" page -- for example, using '''<nowiki>{{FlagIOC|CAN|Summer}}</nowiki>''' would create a link to [[Canada at the Summer Olympics]], which would be the most appropriate link from [[Summer Olympics medal count]].  Anyway, I'm prepared to make all the edits necessary to make this scheme work, but I wanted to get your opinion first.  The set of pages still using flagIOC (and not flagIOC-yyyy variations) is quite small & manageable at the moment.  Thanks for your feedback.  [[User:Andrwsc|Andrwsc]] 07:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
: FlagIOC was created before optional parameters were available.  This which-games parameter seems helpful for editors.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 20:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC))
:: Thanks for the feedback.  I think it should be easy for me to make the change without mucking up any pages.  [[User:Andrwsc|Andrwsc]] 00:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

== Ref converter RFC ==

<small>You are receiving this message because you are on the [[User:Cyde/Ref converter|Ref converter spamlist]].</small>

Hello there, I'd just like to make you aware that [[User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|Lulu]] has [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Cyde|filed an RfC]] against me and "''other users of Ref converter''".  Since Lulu has previously contacted you regarding Ref converter I think it is safe to assume that you are one of the people named in the "other users of Ref converter" bit, so you may want to get involved.  Just a heads-up, [[User:Cyde|<span style="color:#0055aa; cursor:w-resize;">'''Cyde&nbsp;Weys'''</span>]] 18:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

== introduction on countries ==

hi SEWilco, 

you once voiced your support in the case of [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries#Proposal]] on how to introdue an article of a country. I've posted my final proposal, however it seems to be lost in action. I just wanted to ask you what you think and what are the steps we need to take to make it official? I have posted the text for you underneath

''The country introduction reads: Xxxxx, officially the Yyyyyy of Xxxx (Republic of Xxxxx, or Kingdom of Xxxxxx, etc.), is a country located on the Xxxxx of Xxxx. It shares borders with Xxxx to the east, etc. For example the introduction to France should read: "France (pronounced /fʀɑ̃s/ in French), officially the French Republic (French: République française, pronounced /ʀepyblik fʀɑ̃sɛz/), is a country...."

''Exceptions: If the official name and the most common name are synonymous, the entry is left with only one name, as is the case in the articles United States, United Kingdom, Romania, Mongolia, etc. For example: "The United States of America is a federal republic situated primarily in North America." or "Romania (Romanian: România /ro.mɨ'ni.a/) is a country in Central Europe." In cases where there is a thorough explanation of the official name, the official name in the lead sentence may be dropped, as long as it is explained later. This exception is illustrated in the article Canada.

looking forward, thanks alot. [[User:Gryffindor|<span style="color:red;">Gryffindor</span>]] 18:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

: Replied in #Proposal.  Phrasing OK but the country names should have emphasis formatting.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 02:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC))
::Hi SEWilco, thank you for your posting, however I am afraid I don't quite understand what exactly you mean. There have been tweaks done now by [[User:E Pluribus Anthony]], which look fine to me, if you have a further suggestion to make, then please by all means I am looking forward to it. Thank you. [[User:Gryffindor|<span style="color:red;">Gryffindor</span>]] 22:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
::: Looks good now. ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 02:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

== Please clarify term ==

Hello; what does "macroseepages" mean?
I see you used this term when introducing the "environmental effects" secion in [[petroleum]]; I have never seen or heard this term, nor have I found any definition for it (to be honest with you, it looks like a typo to me). Could you please replace it with a more undestandable term (if that is possible), or at least provide a wiki stub with a brief explanation? There is only one appearence of this term in wikipedia, in petroleum; also, a google search gives 101 hits, but none of them seems to provide any hint of the meaning of the word. Thanky you.   --[[User:Paiconos|Paiconos]] 18:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
: Try a search for the singular "macroseepage".  "The term macroseepage refers to visible oil and gas seeps." ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 19:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

==[[Arlington County, Virginia]]==
Hey SE,
I wanted to let you know that I have nominated [[Arlington County, Virginia]] as a candidate for [[WP:USCOTW|US Collaboration of the Week]]. The article is in need of much help and with a little group effort, it could be brought to Featured Article status! I brought this to your attention as I have seen you have contributed to the article in the recent past. Please cast your vote with your signature at the [[WP:USCOTW|US Collaboration of the Week]] page under [[Arlington County, Virginia]]. --[[User:Caponer|Caponer]] 02:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
== Image:Ozone time series.jpg listed for deletion ==

 <div style="padding:5px; background-color:#E1F1DE"> An image or media file that you uploaded, [[:Image:Ozone time series.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. <!-- Template:Idw --></div>
IFD'd because I made a PNG version that was about 7 times smaller. I replaced both instances in article namespace; the only one left is the one in your gallery. --[[user:Damian Yerrick|Damian Yerrick]] ([[user talk:Damian Yerrick|☎]]) 12:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
: Good idea, thanks.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC))

==Award==
Thanks for the cool looking award. Could i ask the motivation for it? It does not need to be [[Politically correct]]. Have a good day :) --[[User:Striver|Striver]] 09:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

== Islamic Barnstar Award ==

Thank you for voting to keep the image for the Islamic Barnstar Award at the [[Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2006_May_27|May 27 voting page]]. --[[User:JuanMuslim|JuanMuslim]] <sup>[[user:JuanMuslim| ''1m'']]</sup> 13:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

==Help?==
Hi, I saw that you had made a lot of edits to the fossil fuels page, and I was wondering if you could help me out.  Do you know where I could find a list of the main countries which produce fossil fuels? Or do you know? Thanks! :)
: In [[Fossil fuel]] look in the "Levels and flows" section for links to EIA estimates.  Names of countries are included in the estimates.  Another approach is to find members of organizations oriented toward the production of your fuel of interest, such as [[OPEC]], but not all relevant countries are members of such.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 02:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC))

==Long talk page==
Greetings! Your talk page is getting a bit [[Wikipedia:Article size|long in the tooth]] - please consider archiving your talk page (or ask me and I'll archive it for you). Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold;">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

== [[:Image:Earthimpact lmb.jpg]] ==

You may want to notify the original uploader, [[User:Luis María Benítez|Luis María Benítez]], as I just moved the image from [[:es:Imagen:Earthimpact lmb.jpg]] almost a year ago, and have no clue about its original source. I do have a vague recolection of it being on a NASA website, though. [[User:Titoxd|Tito]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]])</sup> 05:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
: Somehow the uploading user names which I followed didn't point at that user.  Notified.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:42, 25 June 2006 (UTC))

<b>RE:Copyright conflict</b><br>
Sorry for the delay and thanks for letting me know about the image. I have left a message on [[Image talk:Earthimpact lmb.jpg|its discussion page]]. Kind regards, [[User:Luis María Benítez|Luis María Benítez]] 13:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

== Flag of Rhodesia ==

I'm working on a project to add the complete 128-man draws of every Open-era Grand Slam tennis tournament to Wikipedia, in the same format as [[2006 Wimbledon Championships - Men's Singles]]. In this format, each player has a flag next to their name representing their country. I've been using the <nowiki>{{flagicon}}</nowiki> template to achieve this, but don't know much about how it works. Since these tournaments go back to 1968, there are some countries represented in the tournament that have ceased to exist. In particular, in 1974, Roger Dowdeswell of [[Rhodesia]] was in the Wimbledon men's draw. The country code for Rhodesia is RHO, but <nowiki>{{flagicon|RHO}}</nowiki> doesn't work.

What is the appropriate method for creating a Rhodesian flag icon? Also, for other tournaments, is there an easy way to get a list of all the country codes for which <nowiki>{{flagicon|CODE}}</nowiki> will work? I ran across your name in a quick search on the flag project -- if you're not the guy to ask, just let me know who is. Thanks, --[[User:Dantheox|Dantheox]] 05:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
: See [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Flag Template#Editing_flag_description]].  Do not use the ISO country code feature if there is no [[ISO 3166-1]] code for the country.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC))

== [[Template:Unverifiable-external-links]] up for TFD again ==

One of the people wanting the template deleted has demanded another shot at getting their way, and the template is up for deletion again. 

See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 August 7]] 
--[[User:Barberio|Barberio]] 19:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

== [[Earth]] ==

Thank you for better articulating my akward wording.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Earth&curid=9228&diff=69660266&oldid=69654581] [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] 21:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:T7789 }} ==

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== Articles with invalid ISBNs category ==

I've corrected the ISBNs in some entries, but I don't know anything about the operation of the template. I'll pass on your message to [[User:Rich Farmbrough]]. [[User:Alan Pascoe|Alan Pascoe]] 08:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

== [[Helium 3]] ==

I recommend you re-read your link.  It talks about costs of 10k to over 100k for production, 10k for storage, and potentially insurmountable *political* (not financial) costs.  Yes, [[tritium]] is radioactive, but only minimally so.  Tritium releases a very low energy beta (6.5 keV) that isn't very effective at even penetrating skin.  For comparison, 14B has a beta energy of 20.6 MeV, 32Ba has 17.9, etc -- and beta isn't a particularly bad kind of radiation to begin with (for that, you're looking at neutrons and gamma).  The only risk from tritium is ingestion of compounds that contain it.  Even with that, most have very short biological halflifes.  You could drink all of the tritium from a laser sight and not die.  Industry uses many chemicals that are much harder to store and are much deadlier in quantities much larger than that. 

Since you seem particularly interested in keeping your link, I simplified the description to the basics: that the production cost is likely greater than the payoff. -- [[User:Rei|Rei]] 21:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

: Actually page 14 includes production and storage as the major issues.  Fortunately, tritium would float upward if released.  Unless they store it as tritium water.  But it seems worth mentioning the scale of the problem; page 2 mentions 13 metric tonnes He-3 per year for 25% of USA power needs (I haven't checked his projection against current numbers), so global needs would be measured in 10s rather than 100s of tonnes. ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC))

==ISO West Germany==
I've just noticed the revert war at [[:Template:Country label alias West Germany]]. As well as the elegant solution. '''<nowiki>{{flag|West Germany|name=FRG}}</nowiki>'''.  However, I am confused why West Germany is shortened to DEU.  I had thought this was for Germany.  What are the examples where West Germany went as DEU? You cite [[ISO_3166-1_alpha-3]] but I think there is no mention of West Germany on that page. [[User:David D.|David D.]] [[User talk:David D.|(Talk)]] 21:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
: DEU also was West Germany's country code.  I added "**st Germany" names to the "Past codes" section to make text searching on the ISO page work better.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 02:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC))
::Excellent that will make things more clear. Thanks [[User:David D.|David D.]] [[User talk:David D.|(Talk)]] 03:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

== Coal ==

I see you have removed links to a number of the World Coal Institute publications.

I agree this is excessive to have these here however the ''Coal: Facts and Figures'' provides a good quick reference for people looking for coal numbers so I have put this one link back.

What do you think?

== {{tl|country}} and friends ==

I do understand the idea, and comply with that, but the implementation is an archanic solution from mid 2005, and should be fixed, see for example [[InuYasha]] and the list of used templates. Made an example template {{tl|Country name alias}} how it could be fixed, but the list is made up from the list from [[ISO_3166-1]] and may be inconclusive. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AzaToth|AzaToth]] ([[User talk:AzaToth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AzaToth|contribs]]) 18:18, 6 October 2006</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 -->
: It was intended to be temporary code until a better solution was created.  The primary purposes have been to get those flag and country references have a consistent appearance, and to get them marked in articles for when better solutions are created.  Discuss in [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Flag Template]], and mention it in [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries]].  Include links to info about the technologies (#switch) being proposed.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 19:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

== Citation reports? ==

I have heard of Wikicite (not much seems to be happeining there atm) Do you have tool(s) written that can create reports (all books by a given author, all authors in articles in a given category, etc.) from the live site or dumps?  If so, I'd love to see them, and try them out. [[User:JesseW/sig|JesseW, the juggling janitor]] 08:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
: No reports yet, nobody has needed them.  The parsing and standardization was the hard part.  When Wikicite or some other project needs citation data or reports, it's trivial to save the info in a database.  Summaries can then be created from the DB.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 17:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC))
:: I'd certainly appreciate a list of all the books cited on the pedia, sortable by author, publisher or year.  If you can make that, that'd be great! [[User:JesseW/sig|JesseW, the juggling janitor]] 08:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

== Keith Ellison ==

The material on the blogs is copyrighted. Wikipedia does not link pirated mp3s and should not link pirated newspaper articles either. -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] <small><sup>([[User:Ravedave/babyname|help name my baby]])</sup></small> 04:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

== Ported [[:Image:Last_glacial_vegetation_map.png]] to [[the commons]] ==

re: [http://commons.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Image:Last_glacial_vegetation_map.png this]; If you can look this over and agree there is no diff, can you add a {{tlx|db-author}} to the image you uploaded. Thanks. // <B>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</B>[[User talk:Fabartus|<span style="color:green;">nkB</span>]] 02:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
: {{tlx|db-reason}} actually.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC))

== History of Earth Peer Review ==

There is a request for a Peer Review of the article [[History of Earth]].  However, unlike other articles with a request for a PR, this article does not have a request for PR box at the top of its page.  The question is, is there still a need for a PR, and do editors still want one done?  [[User:KP Botany|KP Botany]] 16:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

== Didn't know about that WikiProject ==

Thanks for the link to the Flag template WikiProject at the MoS discussion. Has there been much discussion at the WikiProject about the limits/usefulness of flag icons? [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 15:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
: It is a tool for editors to improve the previously existing icons.  How they are used is a separate matter from the existence of icons.  You can find that within that discussion.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 19:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC))

== Ship's passport ==

I asked a guy this morning from the Defence section about these and apparantly warships need some kind of authorisation to travel. Its not a passport but something else. I had my mind on something else at the moment but I'll try and find out some more later. I just wanted to drop you a line to say nice job on the new article on this subject. --[[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] 20:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
: Thanks.  Apparently the Mediterranean Pass was for a special purpose.  I am aware the Law of the Sea has special provisions for warships and that warships have protocols to follow in order to use a foreign port.  I wouldn't be surprised if additional documents are often needed. ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 20:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC))
:: The Mediterranean Pass was confirmation that a ship was protected by blackmail paid to the Barbary Pirates.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 07:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

== Global Warming ==

SEWilco, not sure about your views on the subject, but I did see you've been involved in some, shall we say, discussion with William Connolley and Stephan Schulz.  Just thought I'd let you know that we've been embroiled in a debate for the last couple of days on the neutrality of the global warming article, and I feel completely disillusioned by their premise that if they don't acknowledge the dispute, one clearly must not exist.  I would appreciate any help you could offer, thanks to your interactions with these gentlemen.  Thank you for your time.  [[User:JQLibet|JQLibet]] 20:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
: I don't have insight into them.  What they acknowledge does not affect what exists.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC))

== citecase template ==

hello there, I see you created the citecase template - do you know how to provide an option to allow for English (and all the Commonwealth) citation format?

It's basically the date in a different place, I think. e.g. ''Sturges v. Bridgman'' (1879) 11 Ch D 852

Many thanks[[User:Wikidea|Wikidea]] 09:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
: Discuss [[:Template:Cite court]] in [[:Wikipedia talk:Citation templates]].  It could be done but needs discussion, preferably from some people who know court citation formats.  One issue is what to name an option which changes the format (or just create a new template), as maybe that format is used more widely than in England or the UK, and maybe that format has a name.  You might also put an invitation to the discussion in [[:Talk:Case citation]].  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 00:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC))

==The science is settled==
Hi there. I just thought I should let you know that I have nominated [[The science is settled]], to which you have contributed, for deletion. See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The science is settled]]. --[[User:OpenToppedBus|OpenToppedBus]] - [[User talk:OpenToppedBus|Talk to the driver]] 17:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== User talk:RefBot unprotect ==

You said: "Please unprotect [[User talk:RefBot]].  [[Wikipedia:Protection policy]] says temporary protection should be used for unblock abuse.  I was not abusing it, I was trying to get a review of an erroneous block.  There is was no documentation for [[Template:Unblock]] and I was just trying to have someone with some sense look at the block which is based on an admin's faulty imagination.  Stomping in with an undocumented penalty after two requests doesn't seem reasonable.  And when RefBot is running, all users should be able to access its talk page."

:I'm honestly not sure what happened there.  I have unprotected the page.  I may have been bombarded that day with people requesting unblock after unblock after unblock and we often use the unblockabuse template ''after'' two unblock requests have been declined.  My use does not appear to have been legitimate here, though.  --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] 13:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== INCOTW ==

You voted for '''[[Ganges River|Ganges River]]''', this week's '''[[WP:INCOTW|Indian Collaboration of the Week]]'''.  Please come and help it become a [[Wikipedia:Featured_articles|featured]]-[[Wikipedia:What is a featured article|standard]] article. - [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]]) 15:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== An alternative to Wikipedia ==
If you like the idea of Wikipedia but disagree with this project's particular implementation of that idea (as you implied on [[Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is failing]]), you may be interested in looking at [http://opencycle.vacommunity.net Opencycle], a similar project to create a freely-editable open-content encyclopedia, but without a lot of the arrogant uptightness that is prevalent on Wikipedia. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/216.135.28.40|216.135.28.40]] ([[User talk:216.135.28.40|talk]]) 22:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

==Islamic Association of Palestine==
Hi,
I removed the info on the accusation of anti-Semitism for two reasons - the lack of citation, and the irrelevance. It's known to have funded terrorism, as mentioned earlier in the article, and thats why it was shutdown. I would assume any organization that funds terrorist attacks against Jews would be by definition anti-Semitic. [[User:KazakhPol|KazakhPol]] 06:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:You deleted it with a comment that indicated you were adding information.  Put a {{tl|fact}} tag on it and invite a source.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 23:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC))

== [[Edward Kasner]] ==

Do you have a copy of the book in question?  The opening sentence of the quotation is grammatically incorrect, and I wonder if there's not a transcription error. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]) 08:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:I don't have that book.  I reverted tinkering of a quotation by an anonymous user.  If you think the quotation is incorrect, go ahead.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC))

::No &mdash; the anon's change didn't in fact help, and you were right that it was almost certainly incorrect.  I don't want to turn the quotation into correct English if the original contains the mistake.  I'll leave it alone. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]) 22:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

==Sami Al-Arian==
Your edits to [[Sami Al-Arian]] were reverted by Wikimaru07. I thought you would like to know. Regards, [[User:KazakhPol|KazakhPol]] 16:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
: This time he provided a reason.  If someone puts the link back in there should be explanation of why the link is relevant.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 18:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC))

== Ref thanks [[Global dimming]]==
Thanks for fixing that ref mess.  I'm not allowed to.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 23:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC))
:Hey you are welcome.  I think I put a major dent into it.  I hope that my morning's work on the page does not get reverted by these out of control admins.  It seems they guard certain articles from dissenting opinions or even changes that add relevant information.  Yes, even correcting references around upsets them.  Some people believe that people are basically bad and need law and order in order to behave.  Other people like me believe that most people are basically good and can help each other to do great work.  Thanks for your help.  Maybe they will let you out of the dog house soon.[[User:Kgrr|Kgrr]] 23:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[User:SEWilco/Kyoto Protocol]] ==

Just to let you know I removed a link from the above page because it was to a site being considered from the spam whitelist. Leaving it would have made the page unsavable should you choose to work on it further. You can see the link I'm referring to in the page history. --[[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 21:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== Hamas ==

Hi,

I didn't quite understand your comments on [[Hamas]]. Could you rephrase? Thanks, '''[[User:Tewfik|<span style="color:#22AA00;">Tewfik</span>]]'''[[User Talk:Tewfik|<sup style="color:#888888;">Talk</sup>]] 22:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
: What don't you understand?  That Hamas is not Hezbollah?  Discuss over there so I know what you're referring to.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC))

==[[WP:WPILT]]==
I gots just two woids fuh ya: [[WP:WPILT#Participants|join]] an' [[WP:WPILT#Userbox|spread-da-woid]].  Eh, dat's two woids, right?  >;-)

PS: Thanks for beating me to it, heh.  I was about to go create the page and there it was!  I got mired in the [[WP:ATT]] debate for too long... — <span style="font-family:Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;</span>   <span style="color:#900;font-weight:bold;">‹(-¿-)›</span> 11:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

: I'm don't have much time for it now.  Seems needed and those signed up should get things improved pretty well.  I'll fix my stuff to track whatever ends up happening.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 19:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC))

== Image:Taku glacier firn ice sampling.gif listed for deletion ==
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== Image:GISP2 1855m ice core layers.gif listed for deletion ==
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==Speed of Light on Voyager 1==
SEWilco, if light travels 186,282.397 miles per second and kilometers are about 2 times more then miles then 186,282.397 miles per second would be 299,792.458 kilometers per second not 299,792,458 kilometers per second. Please stop correcting the thousands into the millions on Voyager 1. The decimal is just there for an exact speed. It was not meant to be a comma. 
-[[User:TheMonolith|TheMonolith]] 14:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
: I didn't look at the numbers.  I reverted a vandal-like change once.  I'm sure you fixed it.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 01:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC))

==[[Scientific opinion on climate change]]==
Howdy, I noticed your edit adding a section back on [[Scientific opinion on climate change]].  There is an extensive discussion ongoing on the talk page about this section, which was only added today.  Climate-related issues are fairly contentious and prove to devolving into unproductive editing.  My understanding is that controversial changes should be discussed before being made, at least until some semblance of consensus (or as close as we can get on these kind of articles).  I feel like reverting your addition would be perhaps not directed at cooperation.  In the spirit of cooperative editing, however, I was hoping to convince you that adding the material back is also probably not the best thing at the moment; I was hoping you might undo your own edit.  Many thanks, --[[User:TeaDrinker|TeaDrinker]] 03:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:The discussion will make a decision.  I reverted an edit with a summary which suggested the article is only for surveys.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC))
::I believe something similar is one of the issues being discussed on the talk page.  At the very least, there does seem to be a reasonable discussion going on there of whether to include the section, so adding it, at least to me, seems premature.  --[[User:TeaDrinker|TeaDrinker]] 03:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Or deleting it is premature.  Follow that discussion.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC))
::::Of course, it is not my goal to get into an argument.  I was hoping to convince you that adding back new material which discussion to add it is closely divided would be less than ideal.  If I have not convinced you, that's fine.  I felt I had to try.  Thanks for your consideration, --[[User:TeaDrinker|TeaDrinker]] 04:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
==No content in [[:Category:Images of Anchorage, Alaska]]==
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== Country-stub listed for deletion ==

Hi SEWilco

I've listed {{tl|Country-stub}} which you created for deletion on [[WP:SFD]] along with other un- or little-used stub templates. It looks very unusual and is not in use. Feel free to comment on the issue on [[WP:SFD]]. Happy editing. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 08:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

== Marlo Lewis ==


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==[[Oil shale]]==
Hi SEWilco. You have made some useful edits on the [[oil shale]] article. This article has developed quite well, but still some more expert assistance is needed. I hope you would pleased helping to improve it. I put some questions and issues to the talk page. Thank you in advance. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] 17:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

== David Gerard ==

What in blue blazes are you talking about over there?  Vaguely menacing references aren't that helpful, if you have a specific complaint, be clear so someone can help you, please.  Passive aggressiveness is silly. - [[User:Chairboy|C<small>HAIRBOY</small>]] ([[User_talk:Chairboy|☎]]) 03:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
: Did you follow the link to his archive?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC))
:: I saw that you had asked him about something, then, when he didn't answer, started pulling the admin abuse trigger.  Go back and try again, but if there's a chip on your shoulder, leave it at home and you might get a better result.  I'm not trying to be teh evil, just some basic social interaction tips. - [[User:Chairboy|C<small>HAIRBOY</small>]] ([[User_talk:Chairboy|☎]]) 04:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Nope, the admins aren't abusing, as they're not doing anything.  Since they're not examining his block, I asked him to do so.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC))
:::: You are prohibited from the kind of edits the bot is intended for [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change_dispute_2#SEWilco.27s_conversion_of_citations|by ArbCom sanction]]. I have reset the block to reflect this rationale.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&user=&page=User:RefBot] If this restriction has been lifted or loosened by ArbCom, please show the diff showing the successful appeal. Otherwise, the bot must remain blocked as enforcement of that restriction. [[User:Vassyana|Vassyana]] 06:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Well, it's about time.  Thank you.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC))

== Yay! ==

Thanks for removing all that stuff on the petroleum article!  Cheers [[User:Geologyguy|Geologyguy]] 23:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Sandbox ==

Yes, I'm well aware of the existance of the sandbox, thanks.  I thought I knew what the problem was, but it appears to be more complex than a minor quick fix. -- [[User:Huntster|<span style="font-size:13px; font-variant:small-caps; text-decoration:none;">Huntster</span>]] <sup style="font-size:9px;">[[User_talk:Huntster|T]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|C]]</sup> 22:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

== Arb Policy change ==

''elements cross-posted''

: I am confused. You seem to be applying our article sourcing policy to the Committee's explanation of how it works; this is an incorrect assumption, and may have led to your query. The Arbitration policy is a primary document, a distillation by the Committee of how it has been operating.
: The phrase "if so moved" is obviously a cause of confusion for you - it means "if they feel that it is necessary in this context". It is not an invitation for people to petition individual Committee members - indeed, the part of my corrections which you highlight in particular here was an attempt to avoid some of the more spurious requests by denying a "right of reply". I hope to speak for the entire Committee when I say that we would always welcome queries from parties that could let us help them understand better how and why we carry out our duties.
: Thank you, however, for pointing me to the Rationale, which I had forgotten - I will make sure that it is updated.
: [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 18:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== Please comment on proposed article:link list for V&A Museum ==

Hello ... With my assistance, {{User|VAwebteam}} has completed their first assignment on [[User:VAwebteam/To do list]] for the 50+ proposed article:link pairs following the reverts and the discussion at [[WP:COI/N#Victoria and Albert Museum (2)]] ... I have been in contact with VAwebteam by email, and this turns out to be rather low on their list of priorities, so they'll only be working on it once or twice a week.

The first assignment was to recover the links and create a subsection for each proposed article:link pair, to make it easier to evaluate and comment on each one ... I have archived the version of the project page as of yesterday on [[User Talk:VAwebteam/To do list|the talk page]] for the project, so that the second assignment has a clean slate without the clutter of previous comments.

The second assignment is to ''examine'' both the article and the V&A page to make a decision, as described in the introduction to the list ... with the help of other experienced editors, 14 of them have already been dealt with, either as rejected, or as acceptable and integrated into the article, either as a citation or in the '''External link(s)''' section of the article.

While VAwebteam works from the top down, I have been working from the bottom up, and suggest that you do the same ... the project page [[User:VAwebteam/To do list]] now has two sections:

* '''Second assignment for VAwebteam''' - these 45 are the the ones that need to be evaluated ... the ones that have the article linked in the section header still contain the "raw" link, ''i.e'', the <code>{{tl|cite web}}</code> boilerplate has not been applied yet, and that is part of VAwebteam's second assignment ... when you have time, please work from the bottom up in this section and add your comments.

* '''Reviewed article:link proposals''' - these 14 have been dealt with already, with a "†" to indicate "integrated", and "‡" to indicate rejected ... you may review them, but I don't think that you'll need to make any comments ... when consensus is reached on an article:link proposal from the previous section, I will move it to this section with the appropriate dagger to flag it.

Thanks in advance for your help ... Happy Editing! &mdash;{{User|72.75.70.147}} 09:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

: I don't know what you are talking about.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC))

== Can you help me? ==

Hi, I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, so I was wondering if you could help me out;

There is a page I've been working on for the past number of weeks which I was hoping to attach flagicons to (you can find the page in question [[List of GAA Stadiums|here]]). However, the flags are not flags of countries, they are GAA county colours (if you know what that means, you can find them [[GAA county colours|here]]). I would greatly appreciate if you could help me out on this.   [[User:Deco16-10|Deco16-10]] 12:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
: Try [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Flag Template]].  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC))
== TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:PD-Old regime Iraq}}]]==

[[Template:{{ucfirst:PD-Old regime Iraq}}]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#{{{2|Template:PD-Old regime Iraq}}}|the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> &nbsp; — [[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]] <span class="plainlinksneverexpand">([[User talk:Jeff G.|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Jeff G.|contribs]])</span> 17:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

== TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:Wikilink}}]]==

[[Template:{{ucfirst:Wikilink}}]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#{{{2|Template:Wikilink}}}|the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> — [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] 17:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
: Don't seem to need it now that the MediaWiki parser has changed its behavior.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

==Minneapolis==
{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}};"
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:Original Barnstar.png|100px]]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | To SEWilco, on the occasion of [[Minneapolis, Minnesota]] reaching featured article. With thanks -[[User:Susanlesch|Susanlesch]] 23:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
|}

==Comments Requested==
I dont know if you remember the anon from [[VVAW]] and related articles, but would you mind [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chaser#TDC.2C_parole_status_and_.27good_behavior.27 chiming in] before I get crucified. Thanks. [[User:TDC|Torturous Devastating Cudgel]] 00:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
: VVAW still getting slapped around by copyvio?  Sigh.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC))
:: No, most of the most egregious shit's been removed or properly integrated. I am sure there is still some left, but I just wanted someone to attest to the nature of the anon editor, now editing as [[user:Xenophrenic]], who was responsible for so much heartache on that page. [[User:TDC|Torturous Devastating Cudgel]] 15:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

*''If you'd been following Rob's antics, you'd see that he prefers drive-by anonymous actions. He hides reversions behind comments of minor changes. He moves stuff to Talk so he can demand endless proofs, while pretending ignorance of material which he already drew upon elsewhere. He deletes text while pretending he's moving it. He calls changes by others vandalism (Talk:Fulbright_Hearing#Charges_of_vandalism. He pretends ignorance of other things which he is doing (see his recent reference to the need for a Russell Tribunal page as if he hasn't been wreaking havok also in that already existing page). SEWilco 04:29, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Winter_Soldier_Investigation/Archive_2&diff=prev&oldid=6568527]

You do realize that [[user:xenophrenic]] is the same editor, Rob, that gave you all the heartache [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Winter_Soldier_Investigation/Archive_1 over here ] Right? [[User:TDC|Torturous Devastating Cudgel]] 18:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
: He's claiming he is not, and it looks like you two are now in mediation so it's up to you two to chat with the mediator.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 01:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC))

== Signpost and Chris Benoit ==

My comments, for the record, were ''only'' that we should be careful what we write about in the ''Wikipedia Signpost''! I didn't discuss the death in detail, I only noted that we should be careful because of what looks to be OR/vandalism and violation of BLP. If the comment that the discussion had digressed was addressed to myself, I fail to see how that is the case. - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 23:53, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
: And I agree.  The original rumor violated several rules, and that is what any Signpost story should probably focus on.  But that's a tip line, not Signpost policy discussion, so it's all hints to whomever decides to write.  I'm not writing on it this week.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC))

==Comments Requested 2==
Why do you keep removing the link to AudubonParkNY.com from John James Audubon, George Bird Grinnell, and Washington Heights entries?  
AudubonParkNY.com represent more than ten years of research and is fully documented with bibliography and credits for all quotes.  It expands upon the information in the three entries to which it was appended and includes both description and images that are not available anywhere else.  From the note you left on my page, I gather you consider it a "self aggrandizing" site, which is ludicrous.  Perhaps if you had gone beyond the first page, you would have realized that.  [[User:AudubonParkNY|AudubonParkNY]] 02:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
: There was information on your talk page ([[User talk:AudubonParkNY]]).  You were promoting your own site, whatever it is.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC))

:  OK, so now that you know the site is valuable information for anyone researching Audubon, Grinnell, or Washington Heights, you post it for me!  Thanks.  [[User:141.155.16.188|141.155.16.188]] 03:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

:: I am not familiar with your site nor its value.  Maybe someone who knows that Washington Heights exists will be better to evaluate it.  You might let your local newspapers, historical and genealogical groups, and bloggers know about the resource.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC))


::: "someone who knows that Washington Heights exists"  
Following that logic, the entire Washington Heights entry should be deleted.  Odd that you should think AudubonParkNY.com is a vanity entry and you've left both Northern Manhattan and Washington Heights and Inwood Oneline (similar sites, similar layouts, submitted by their creators) in place.

:::: I haven't looked at those other pages, so of course I haven't done anything there.  As you've noticed a problem, please fix it.  Thanks.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 23:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC))

==[[Cancer]] and [[cancer bacteria]] straw poll==
Thank you for participating.  To answer your question, the straw poll is an attempt to resolve an ongoing edit war.  By the way, you can change your vote:  please strike through (don't delete) any part you change.  --[[User:Una Smith|Una Smith]] 14:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

==Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Age of unreferenced==
I made a post to [[Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Age of unreferenced]] that you might be interested in.  [[User:Jeepday|Jeepday]] <small>([[User talk:Jeepday|talk]])</small> 03:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Coal ==

You wanted to know where the 4% came from for annual growth?  The number is just an example.  No one knows what growth will be.  The calculation just shows what happens if growth is included, it does not specify or anticipate 4%. The article ([[coal]]) has been amended to show how the calculation was done. [[User:199.125.109.64|199.125.109.64]] 01:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

== Please help comment on the proposed links ==

Hello

I was wondering if you might have time to comment on the list of article links I’ve been making on my Sandbox page {{la|User:VAwebteam/Sandbox}}. Also, if you can bear it my To Do List page   {{la|User:VAwebteam/To_do_list}} has been completed now. I'd really welcome all your comments/advice and hope I've gone about this the right way this time. Thanks for your help. [[User:VAwebteam|VAwebteam]] 09:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Trees and Keeler and [[Clowns]] ==

I think I was unclear when we first discussed the issue, although I see I am unclear in my blathering response on the discussion page about plagiarism.  Anyhow, when you use the Keeler, please something of the sort about the article including text from Keeler which is out of copyright, like is on the bottom of article page's with 1911 encyclopedia Britannica text.  I think, though, that I checked your description, and you used simply the description that she got from the original Latin description of the species, which is pretty much what every one uses.  Anyhow, hope this clears it up somehow, if still confused, ask me, but I'm in finals.  

How are articles going otherwise?  The Keeler is still a very useful source of excellent descriptions of plants because of the detailed anatomies.  [[User:KP Botany|KP Botany]] 21:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, I'm really too busy to go back and look.  However, when I looked at it, I did not think there was any problem with your additions from Keeler because of the specific nature of what you used from her work, simply the botanical descriptions of the plants, which she ultimately derived from prior sources, plus you had rewritten her descriptions, quite well, into 21st century English.  I swear it was you, but, of course, without checking I can't know.  So, I do apologize for being inaccurate, and agree that the conversation should move forward, regardless, as we both agree I looked at your plant article(s) at some point in time and neither of us had any concerns with them.  [[User:KP Botany|KP Botany]] 05:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== coordinates and time ==

Hi,

#Please use {{tl|coord}}, instead of ''coor dms''.
#You seem to have missed [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Microformats#Time label|my reply to your "time" microformat query]].

Regards, [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] | [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy Mabbett]] 21:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks.  I was using the dms which the Google Earth tool is emitting.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC))

::You can use ''coord'' with DMS values - that's oe of its benefits - input in any format; display in user's preferred format. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] | [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy Mabbett]] 16:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

I noticed your comment that you went to the scene of the bridge disaster to get pictures for Commons.  Thanks for your dedication. [[User:Durova|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#009">Durova</span>]]<sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 04:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
: Wikinews tends to have a need for photographs, and I had just enough daylight.  I wasn't able to find or reach suitable people to interview, unfortunately.  Turned out the press area grew on the opposite side from where I approached.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC))

== [[I-35W Mississippi River bridge]] ==

Hello.  I have not formed an opinion on whether the article on the replacement bridge should be merged into this article.  Each position is defensible and has its points.  The decision of whether to merge should be taken after reasoned and deliberate discussion; until then the status quo ante should be maintained.  As there were separate articles they should be restored and we should discuss it and decide how to proceed.  I suggest discussing it for a week and then deciding.  I know I want more time and input before I come to a conclusion.  Thanks for considering this request.  [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] 16:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

A proposal has been made to merge [[Replacement I-35W Mississippi River bridge]] into  [[I-35W Mississippi River bridge]].  The matter is being discussed at [[Talk:Replacement I-35W Mississippi River bridge]].   Please feel free to comment.  Thank you.  [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] 18:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:Hi-- I undid your deletion of my changes.  My changes were based on press releases from the DOT and NTSB; they do not ascribe cause.  I'm trying to strike a balance between those who want to included every uninformed speculation, and those who would say nothing until the final NTSB report is released.  If you disagree with my changes (now with a caveat at the end) let's discuss on the article talk page tomorrow, as I'm signing off now.  Thank you.  [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] 03:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

=="Return of the clown car"==
Hi SE - copied this over from WP:Plants talk, as it has faded into the background and I only just discovered it now so am coming in on it rather late:<br>
"A plant article with public domain material is an example at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Why quotation marks are not the real issue. Discuss there whether the style of Aralia spinosa needs significant alteration, other than rephrasing to prose. (SEWilco 20:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC))"
:Personally, I don't think we should use out-of-copyright stuff like this at all, other than in very specific historical-related aspects - it is always going to be at least 70 years old, and botany has come an awful long way since then. Too much is likely to have changed; names, taxonomic placement and circumscription, discovery of new variation not known then, etc., etc.; the wording is also often awfully archaic, and they used measurement systems that 95% of the world rejects now, making it incomprehensible to most people. - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 10:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
:: What needs to be changed in that article?  Fix it.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 13:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

== [[Template:Country name]] ==

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: Good.  Thanks.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 19:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

==[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Allegations of apartheid]]==
Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Allegations of apartheid]].  Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Allegations of apartheid/Evidence]].  You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Allegations of apartheid/Workshop]].

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,[[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 18:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

== Starman waiting in the sky ==

Thank you for the star! [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] | [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy Mabbett]] 21:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== KML ==

I see you've added a new template(?) KML to [[List of crossings of the Connecticut River]].  How do I help get it working? [[User:Denimadept|Denimadept]] 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:It is working.  If you have Google Earth or one of the other mentioned programs, click on "Find maps of all coordinates" then click on the program which you're using.  Discussion is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Coord#Export_to_KML here].  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 20:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC))
::That explains why it's not working for me.  If it won't happen directly in the browser, it won't happen for me, at least at work.  If Google Earth now exists for the Mac, I might be able to see it at home, but I'm not installing 3rd party software on a client's machine w/o an explicit request, other than Firefox itself.  Hm, strangely my argument just fell apart.  [[User:Denimadept|Denimadept]] 20:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, one of the choices is to view them on Google Maps.  But they're showing up just as numbers.  You can add "|name=The Bridge Name" to the end of all the {{tl|coord}} calls, and if the requested name= change is approved then they'll all be labeled.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 20:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC))
::::That's something to do once I get home and have access to a better text editor. [[User:Denimadept|Denimadept]] 20:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Plymouth Notch, Vermont ==

The redlink of Plymouth Notch, Vermont on [[User:SEWilco/Sandbox]] can be removed by pointing to [[Plymouth Notch]].  [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])/([[Special:Emailuser/davidwr|e-mail]])</small></small> 03:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
: That is a workspace where edits are destroyed.  Go see in [[Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks by state]] how to fix the Vermont info when the data is reorganized.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 05:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC))

== List of Minnesota state parks ==

Hello, I'm trying to get [[List of Minnesota state parks]] to featured status, all I need is for people to review the facts about the parks. I made a work list of parks split into groups of 7 on the [[Talk:List_of_Minnesota_state_parks|talk page]], any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 04:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

==Minnesota Landscape Arboretum==
I made a Commons link on this article page and created a gallery article for all you photographs of the MLA. Most of your photographs I am making links to galleries as they are all pretty well Orphans and no-one will ever see them. [[User:WayneRay|WayneRay]] 17:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)WayneRay
:That's fine, thank you.  They're not expected to be widely used, as they're illustrations for specific plants so they're getting used where they are needed.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 02:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC))

==Image:Mass balance atmospheric circulation.png==


[[Image:Commons-logo-en.svg|left|50px]]Thank you for uploading images/media {{#if:Image:Mass balance atmospheric circulation.png|such as [[:Image:Mass balance atmospheric circulation.png]]}} to Wikipedia! There is however another [[Wikimedia foundation]] project called [[Wikimedia Commons]], a central media repository for all [[free content|free]] media. In the future, please consider [http://commons.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup creating an account] and uploading media there instead. That way, all the other language [[Wikipedia]]s can use them too, as well as our many [[Wikimedia:Our projects|sister projects]]. This will also allow our visitors to search for, view and use our media in one central location. If you wish to move previous uploads to Commons, see [[Wikipedia:Moving images to the Commons]] (you may view images you have previously uploaded by going to your user contributions on the left and choosing the 'image' namespace from the drop down box). Please note that [[Wikipedia:Non-free content|non-free]] content, such as images claimed as [[Fair use (US trademark law)|fair use]], cannot be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons. Help us spread the word about Commons by informing other users, and please continue uploading! 
<!-- Template:Un-commons -->[[User:Richard001|Richard001]] 23:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

:I don't follow; how is it more appropriate not to share the image with the other projects? Are you saying it would not be an improvement to move it to commons? I use this template a lot because there are thousands of images uploaded here when they should not be. If I were to read through a person's talk page and user page, and search for an account on Commons, then type out an individualized message for each person, it would greatly reduce my time for other editing activities. [[User:Richard001|Richard001]] 00:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

::I sometimes decide the content or license is not suitable for Commons.  You might decide otherwise.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC))

== National Historic Landmarks in Arkansas ==
Hi.  You saw I chimed in on the [[Talk:Bathhouse Row]] discussion.  I thank you for giving pointers to software for editing NPS photos that come in PDF files;  I have been looking for such an approach.  About the [[List of National Historic Landmarks in Arkansas]] list that you have been developing, I have to note there are only 17 NHLs in Arkansas, per the official NPS list, and 4 or 5 or more of the 20 listed are not NHLs.  I am just concerned that you are adding photos and description on the list page for items which will have to be deleted, and especially for items where there is no article created yet so it won't be easy to transfer material over to anywhere it can be saved.  Hope you don't mind if I do delete them.  IMHO, I think it would be better to develop the definitive list, and develop the articles listed first including documentation that they are NHLs, then refine the summary list.  P.S. I do see there is a complication in that "Camden Expeditions Sites" collectively make one NHL, and a couple of those listed fall into that category (I think there should be just one Camden Expedition Sites entry on the NHL list,  and its article would reference the Elkins and some other specific sub-sites which are themselves NRHP-listed and have or deserve to have separate articles).  Regards, [[User:Doncram|doncram]] 18:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

: Answered in article Talk page.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 19:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC))
: And all the photos came from articles, so they kind of have places already.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 20:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC))

== NHL all the states ==

[[Talk:List_of_National_Historic_Landmarks_by_state#All_the_states|Tickle, tickle]] to you, too.  -[[User:Ipoellet|Ipoellet]] 03:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Template sandboxing hint  ==

Thanks for the suggestion. Actually, I was not editing or using the template in English Wikipedia, rather I was planning to translate this for Bengali Wikipedia. Since I need to test that there for the time being, I decided to remove the interwiki template I added. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 03:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

== DjVu documentation ==

Hi, you wrote on the Commons VP about the DjVU file format. We now have a basic help page: [[commons:Help:Creating a DjVu file]]. Hope this helps, [[User:pfctdayelise|pfctdayelise]] <small>([[user talk:pfctdayelise|talk]])</small> 11:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

==3RR Warning on [[Killian documents]]==

Surprise, yet surprise, again. It's for the usual stuff your anonymous IP/sockpuppet buds like [[User:Jmcnamera]] have/had been doing: reverting things to your POV, blocking adds of ref's info and the removal of distorted/false nonsense, refusing to discuss anything legitimately (and in your case, even coherently) on the Talk page, and even removing, and more than once, discussion points on the Talk page. Very, very naughty behavior overall. My 3RR complaint will mention all these in addition to you reverting my well, WELL ref'd updates and fixes to the main page. One of the reverts was done by some random dude with the handle of [[User:HiramShadraski]], and his behavior, especially after I informed him of my reverting his change on his Talk page, is highly suspicious and so will be mentioned as well. So, tsk-tsk...you have been officially warned. -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] 17:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

: You are incorrect, sir.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC))

:: Care to specify an instance of how and where? The bottom line is that pretty much all the facts and best evidence are on my side, whether you like that idea or not. Your edit history seems actually benign when it doesn't involve touchy conservative political issues like Global Warming and the Killian memos. Also, without fail, every major online debate/battle over the Kilian stuff, whether here or elsewhere, only serves to unearth more evidence that I had overlooked before. Already I figured out that the flight logs, when combined with a calendar for the dates involved, cleanly shoot down in one fell swoop '''all''' of the pro-forgery charges and contentions based on the misconception that Bush, as a trained ANG pilot, had the same weekend/monthly "drill" hours as regular Army National Guardsmen. And this all kind of started with your Mother's Day insert. I suppose I should say thanks....hmmm...eh -- thanks. -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] 20:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

::: Perhaps your observation should tell you something about your perception of political issues. ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 00:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC))

:: My only lack of perception so far was to not be quicker in taking screen shots (curiously enough, the second time that's happened in a Killian revert war...) and to not notice this policy, [[WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT]], earlier on, but I suspect the latter would have had little effect in your case regardless.... -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] 00:43, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

::: Thanks, I didn't know about WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, but I won't use it against you.  I didn't think that you ignored what I said.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 01:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC))

==[[USS Eagle 56 (PE-56)]]==
Hi.  Thanks for adding the Wikiproject templates to this article.  I've nominated it for [[WP:DYK]], but they'll reject the submission if it's rated Stub.  Could you possibly bump up the assessment scale to anything better?  This article is about 2200k and has multiple references and a picture, so it should be at least Start class.  Thanks!  - [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]]  <sup>[[User_talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 03:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
: Yes, I forgot to change stub class when I pasted the templates.  Sorry.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC))
::Wow, you're fast.  Thanks!!! - [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]]  <sup>[[User_talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 04:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

== WorldNetDaily ==

SEWilco,

I'm copying the post I left on the talk page of that entry here for you to see.  As I state over there I do not intend on edit warring over this or of having another discussion about the reliability of this source.  It has been pretty well established as unreliable in my mind but I want to leave it up to the regular editors like you to follow the discussions and to decide for yourselves.  Consider my edits more of a suggestion to do just that.  Cheers.[[User:PelleSmith|PelleSmith]] 12:38, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
*I do not edit this entry and did not intend to ever edit it but for the link I followed from [[Islam in the United States]]. My edit only attempts to remove WorldNetDaily when used as a source for "news."  The issue was raised on [[Talk:Islam in the United States]] and on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#FrontPage_Magazine_and_WorldNetDaily Reliable Sources Noticeboard] where unanimously a slew of uninvolved editors agreed with each other in that WorldNetDaily was not a reliable source for news.  Since I do not intend on editing this entry in the future, after removing these references again I will not come back, and I will not revert war over it.  That said I believe we need uniformity in applying these types of measures, especially when entries link together, such as this one and [[Islam in the United States]] so please don't simply revert back without taking these discussions into consideration.  Thank you.[[User:PelleSmith|PelleSmith]] 12:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

: Oh, just what was needed.  Discussion in yet another remote corner of Wikipedia.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 18:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC))

==KD==
Thanks for your work over at Killian documents.  I don't know how you keep up the energy.  [[User:Kaisershatner|Kaisershatner]] 13:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
: Doesn't take much energy to state that everything in one short paragraph is correct when it's all in a short source which has other supporting info.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 13:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC))

::Hmmm...is that a roundabout way of saying "lie"? Whatever.... -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] 14:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

:::FYI, Callmebc has been blocked for a period of four days due to continued personal attacks and incivility. - [[User:AuburnPilot|<font color="#0000cd">auburn</font><font color="#EF6521">pilot</font>]] [[User_talk:AuburnPilot|<small>talk</small>]] 16:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


== hello ==

hello< iam a new person  here in wikeipedia,en. and i am a member at wikipedia arabic... i want to make everything god in wikipedia> but are you reday to answer my Quistions >plz if you haver a time < thanks --[[User:Osamahw|Osamahw]] 15:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

: I am happy to help with any questions.  On your User page, I suggest you remove how old you are and mention that you are a beginner trying to help.  You could mention that you are a member of the Arabic Wikipedia and maybe some subjects in which you are interested.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 15:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC))

==Historic mention==
Thanks for the barnstar, which as you know is my first.  I was beginning to wonder what it takes to get noticed around here.  :)   cheers, [[User:Doncram|doncram]] 21:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
==Winter Soldier Investigation==
I would appreciate your input.  There seems to be an editor who feels it is his/her perogative to completely control the WSI article.  He is even edit warring on the talk page.--[[User:JobsElihu|JobsElihu]] 00:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
: Have you seen [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]]?  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC))
::Yes, I was looking for some assistance in that vein.  It seems that I can't even have a conversation with another Wikipedian without this other editor following me around.--[[User:JobsElihu|JobsElihu]] 03:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
::: Well, start at the top with [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]].  See whether the situation needs comments about the article or a user.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 03:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC))

== Australian links ==

I am not sure if that works in everyone's browsers, or in those outside of Australia - being located here means context-sensitive stuff can't be tested easily. I did find it somewhat weird that one of the links would have been broken for at least 8 months and noone had done anything to fix it - I did so this morning, but it gives evidence of how few users maintain (or know how to maintain) it compared to the other links. The meaning of "indirect" is also unclear to the average visitor. [[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 23:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

: I'm not in Australia and MSN Maps Australia worked for me.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 23:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC))

== 3RR Warning on United States journalism scandals ==

You know the routine. You and Jmcnamera keep reverting the entry to a prior, highly POV and misleading version with the pretense that it's a "summary," and with no genuine attempt to explain your actions on the Talk page. Naughty, naughty.... -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] 16:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

: You know the routine.  The discussion on the subject is in the Talk pages for the main articles on the subject, not in that article whose summary you're trying to expand.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC))

::There is a Talk page for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_journalism_scandals United States journalism scandals] -- you might want to think about using that for discussions about how to improve the article. That is what it's there for after all. -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] 16:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::: You're introducing material to the summary in that article which is not covered in the main article on the subject.  Discuss over there.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC))

: And your warning is frivolous.  I've only reverted once today.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC))

:: Given Jmcnamera's history and some edit histories on the Killian wiki's, I do believe I have a potentially strong case for showing that this was gaming attempt to get around a 3RR block. Unfortunately I don't have too much time today for this fun stuff, but I'll will make a shorter entry and see how that fares. -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] 16:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::: The funny stuff here is your messages.  Funny odd.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC))

:Thanks for the note about callmebc's 3RR accusation/threat.  I reverted his POV twice today and by my count he's reverted three times in 24 hours.  He makes this and other accusations fairly regularly.  He did it quite a bit last April as well. [[User:Jmcnamera|Jmcnamera]] 17:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:: If it's 3 then it's not a 3RR violation.  He keeps trying to expand stuff in the [[United States journalism scandals]] summary which he's not able to support in the main article on the subject.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 17:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC))

== List of NHLs in Virginia ==

Hi SEWilco -- Really nice job you did in the [[List of National Historic Landmarks in Virginia]].  I like the short description you provide for every one of the 118 or so entries.  I trust it is okay to remove any one description's footnote to the NHL summary, once it is verified that the corresponding article a) footnotes to that source and b) serves adequately to support the description.  I created one article, for the Ball's Bluff Battlefield, and revised 2 descriptions.

FYI, I also tried editing the list into semi-alphabetical order (per discussion on talk page to List of National Historic Landmarks by state) with a numbered list column, and actually it numbers 119 right now, there must be a duplication to remove.  Do you think this format is good?  Compare to [[List of National Historic Landmarks in California]] and [[List of National Historic Landmarks in Mississippi]].  

Cheers, [[User:Doncram|doncram]] 07:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

: Sure, fix the NHLs.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 22:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC))

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for the glowing compliment added to the barnstar on my user page... vandal reversion is pretty mindless, but it's come to be sort of a therapeutic thing for me - quick, easy, and with a positive result. Thanks again. Cheers [[User:Geologyguy|Geologyguy]] 20:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== Seinfeld ==

Y'know I know ''alot'' about [[Seinfeld]], but even [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Seinfeld|this]] reference was a little obscure for me! But thanks anyway for explaining it ;)[[User:Joelster|Joelster]] 22:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== On my talk page ==

I answered you on my talk page.  It is never appropriate to remove content based discussion from an entry talk page because you think the tone of voice of the editor isn't to your liking.  Policy violations, if they occur, have appropriate channels.[[User:PelleSmith|PelleSmith]] 14:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

== Inquiry ==

Hello, fellow Wikipedia peer. It has come to my attention that you have been involved with another Wikipedia editor by the name of Callmebc, and have experienced uncivil comments and personal attacks from said user. I too (and others) have also been subject to this type of behavior from said user. I feel as though we share a common problem from said user, which is their incivility and personal attacks, among other failures to follow [[Wikipedia:Etiquette|Wikiquette]] and other guidelines/policies. I am therefore interested to know whether you will join me in a [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct|RFC]] or another form of achieving redress regarding said user's conduct. ~ [[User:UBeR|UBeR]] 20:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== LOTD proposal ==

You either voted on the [[Wikipedia talk:Today's featured list/First proposal|original list of the day proposal]] or the [[Wikipedia talk:Today's featured list/Second proposal|revised version]].  A more modest experimental proposal is now at issue at [[WP:LOTDP]].  Feel free to voice your opinion.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 17:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:I noticed you voted on the List of the Day proposal. [[Wikipedia:Today's featured list|A new one]] has been made and your comments are welcome. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

== Re: [[Talk:Cancer immunology]] ==

Hi SEWilco, just regarding your message on my talk page. What syntax would I use to add the ending date for the assignment? I'm still getting my head around using Wikipedia. Thanks! [[User:Acute angle|Acute angle]] 10:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

: date=YYYY-MM-DD  where YYYY is the year, MM is the 1-12 month, and DD is day of the month.  I think that format is an ISO standard.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 14:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC))

==Regarding edits to [[Council on American-Islamic Relations]]==
Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia, SEWilco! However, your edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations&diff=170862718&oldid=170860933 here] was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove [[WP:SPAM|spam]] from Wikipedia. If you were trying to insert a good link, please accept my creator's apologies, but note that the link you added, matching rule \..+-county\.com, is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. Please read Wikipedia's [[WP:EL|external links guidelines]] for more information, and consult my [[User:AntiSpamBot/Reversion reasons|list of frequently-reverted sites]]. For more information about me, see [[User:AntiSpamBot/FAQ|my FAQ page]]. Thanks! [[User:AntiSpamBot|AntiSpamBot]] 01:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Please stop adding inappropriate links to Wikipedia. It is considered [[WP:SPAM|spamming]] and will be removed. Thanks. [[User:AntiSpamBot|AntiSpamBot]] 01:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Please stop [[WP:SPAM|spamming]] Wikipedia. If you continue, you will be [[WP:BLOCK|blocked]] from editing. [[User:AntiSpamBot|AntiSpamBot]] 01:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

== Sagan/Singer on Nightline. ==

The concern William Connelley and I both have is: do we have any confirmation that this episode actually happened as described? Do you have access to the transcript, and if so, is it accessible online? Thanks. [[User:ATren|ATren]] 13:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
: Already answered in Talk and ref.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 13:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC))
::I didn't realize you could get transcripts going back that far. Learn something new every day. :-) [[User:ATren|ATren]] 14:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==Blocked==
As you are aware, [[User talk:Callmebc]] was unprotected to permit that user to discuss a topic ban.  You have abused that unprotection to engage that blocked user in a content dispute.  As a result, I have blocked you for 24 hours.  I am also reprotecting [[User talk:Callmebc]].  --'''<span style="background:Black;color:White">&nbsp;[[User:Bsf|<font color="White">But</font>]]|[[User talk:Bsf|<font color="White">seriously</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Butseriouslyfolks|<font color="White">folks</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 18:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

: As I indicated on your User talk page, it was a message about his behavior, not on the content.  Here's the message which your block stopped me from placing on your User talk:BSF page:

:: Hmm.  OK, so he's not aware that he is interpreting records.  Just as when looking at a rock star's work records it might look like he only works a few days a year, but one has to interpret the records within the proper context.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 18:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC))

:::I actually think I misunderstood your point, and that I should unblock you.  Without using the words OR, you were asserting that her statements were OR while the other guy's were not.  Whether that's right or wrong, the point you were making was about Callmebc's conduct.  I'm unblocking you, but please stay off of Callmebc's talk page.  Thanks and sorry for the misinterpretation. --'''<span style="background:Black;color:White">&nbsp;[[User:Bsf|<font color="White">But</font>]]|[[User talk:Bsf|<font color="White">seriously</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Butseriouslyfolks|<font color="White">folks</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 03:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:::: Yup, he's repeating OR enough that just invoking it won't remind him of anything to consider, and his argument still seemed focused on his own evidence while ignoring what others point out.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:48, 15 November 2007 (UTC))

:::::You don't have to heed my request to stay off of Callmebc's talk page, but I'm afraid that you're going to get tagged for edit warring there.  I understand your justification, but I think you would be better off opening a thread at ANI and letting someone else take care of it.  I'm not inclined to reprotect the page again as others obviously do not feel it should be full protected.  Good luck! --'''<span style="background:Black;color:White">&nbsp;[[User:Bsf|<font color="White">But</font>]]|[[User talk:Bsf|<font color="White">seriously</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Butseriouslyfolks|<font color="White">folks</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 06:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

:::::: Well, I had information about what the newspaper did before publication, so those statements were false attacks.  The edit summaries now inform other editors who can help keep out the attacks.  And I removed him from my watchlist because he no longer needs watching.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco|talk]]) 07:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC))

==Gender Bender==
I try to mix it up and use she sometimes, just to keep things interesting! ;-) --'''<span style="background:Black;color:White">&nbsp;[[User:Bsf|<font color="White">But</font>]]|[[User talk:Bsf|<font color="White">seriously</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Butseriouslyfolks|<font color="White">folks</font>]]&nbsp;</span>''' 18:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== [[Driftless Area]] ==

I keep coming across your identity. I parse it as '''S'''outh'''E'''east, '''Wi'''sconsin and then something about as LCO, which may be your initials, or something about [[Lafayette County, Wisconsin]]. Cam't explain the I.

: Read it as SouthEast [[Wilco (disambiguation)|Wilco]] (the radio acknowledgement meaning).  It carries no significance with southeast Minnesota; I think my wiki-attention was drawn to the Driftless Area by an endangered animal.  I'd previously been aware of the Area from other studies.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco|talk]]) 04:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC))
==Anne Frank tree==
I have called the museum and am waiting for the media representative to call me back. If I don't hear anything by 2pm my time, I will just go there and beg. [[User:Jeffpw|Jeffpw]] ([[User talk:Jeffpw|talk]]) 09:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

: Good luck.  Too bad the leaves have fallen, but at least it's easier to see the shape of the tree.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco|talk]]) 16:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC))
::[[User:Miranda|Miranda]] has claimed the reward for the [[:Image:Annefranktree.JPG|Anne Frank Tree photo]]. She wants to be paid with a gift card, so I was thinking one of us could buy a $20 gift card for her and the other person could PayPal $10 to the person who buys the gift card. I would be willing to buy the giftcard if you want to send me the $10, or vice versa if that works better for you. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 21:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::: I was wondering if she wanted to claim or not.  I'll double check the background, but that probably is the tree.  She earned it by taking proper care of the licensing.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 21:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Geolinks-start ==

Once it's fixed up to handle the format=dms, would there be any benefit in substing out Mapit-AUS-suburbscale directly into Geolinks-start? It seems a bit of a waste having one which just directly references the other. As long as it actually works and is usable I'm happy with any final outcome. [[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 07:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

: Soon the Mapit templates which merely invoke Geolinks will be subst'ed.  If that AUS template becomes just an incantation of Geolinks-start, it will soon be cleaned up further.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 18:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

==Redundant coordinates==
I noticed that you deleted redundant coordinates in [[Minnesota Governor's Residence]]. That's fine.  But you may see some others that are intentionally redundant, such as in [[B'nai Abraham Synagogue]].  The purpose of the coord template there is to cause the site to show up on the "map of all coordinates" on the [[:Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Minnesota]] page.  The LAT and LONG in the infobox alone will not be recognized by Google maps.  I just wanted to give you a heads-up about the purpose in cases like that.--[[User:Appraiser|Appraiser]] ([[User talk:Appraiser|talk]]) 16:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:I believe that curently "coor dms" works as well as "coord", but the warning notice at [[:Template:GeoGroupTemplate]] sounds like eventually only "coord" will work.  Also in [[:Template:Coord]], it says that coord supercedes several similar templates.  Perhaps we should work on the infobox nrhp to fix this potential problem.--[[User:Appraiser|Appraiser]] ([[User talk:Appraiser|talk]]) 16:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:: Bring it up in [[WT:GEO]], as that's monitored by the coord technicians.  Just ask how that one infobox should be set up, and that will help to start us on untangling more infoboxes.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 18:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

==Geolinks-cityscale==
I noticed you reverted cityscale anyway without the recourse to further discussion. I have put hours and hours and hours putting hundreds of accurate co-ordinates into this template. Most of the Related links to this template are my changes. Why are so many hours of my time being destroyed like this? I have been making sure this template behaves itself for a couple of years. I reiterate: What is the problem for which these changes provide a solution? No doubt I will now be told that "I should add my points to the correct place". Where they will be ignored. I am so upset it's off the scale. --[[User:Scotthatton|Scotthatton]] ([[User talk:Scotthatton|talk]]) 15:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

: I went through the many template talk pages adding pointers to the discussion so people who were interested could participate, I'm sorry that you did not notice the notice.  You're ignoring the efforts reflected in the several discussion in that project's Talk page.  You noticed editing of the template much more quickly than editing of its Talk page.  The coordinates which you added are still being used; I've also been adding coordinates through several templates and it is the location info which everyone is trying to preserve in useful form.  The value of those locations is being improved by being available through more tools, depending upon what your needs are.  Indeed, your locations will soon show up as Wikipedia markers on Google Earth when the googlebot-compatible coord template is properly exposed.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 15:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Discussion of [[Piers Corbyn]] at [[WP:COIN]] ==

Hello SEWilco. Since you have edited the Piers Corbyn article, you may wish to join the discussion about the subject's COI editing which is taking place [[WP:COIN#Piers Corbyn|here]]. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 05:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

==CfD nomination of [[:Category:Nuclear weapon organizations]]==
[[Image:Info non-talk.png|left|48px|]]'''[[:Category:Nuclear weapon organizations]]''', which you created, has been nominated for [[Wikipedia:Category deletion policy|deletion]], [[:Category:Categories for merging|merging]], or [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)|renaming]]. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 December 24#{{{3|Category:Nuclear weapon organizations}}}|the category's entry]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|Categories for discussion]] page.<!-- Template:Cfd-notify--> Thank you. – [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 22:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

==Season's Greetings==
<div style="width:90%; border=1px solid navy>
[[Image:Room_Service-20071223.jpg|100px]] <span style="font-size:140%">Season's Greetings</span> from my hometown, [[Minneapolis, Minnesota]]. Boy times have changed since, I think it was about 1994. So much overhead to lug around, but nothing the woman I met in the San Diego DMV couldn't write around in about 2 seconds with something called "ST Include" for Windows. Only kidding, I forgot the program's name but writing around an operating system would be quite easy for someone who completed studies in India recently. Best wishes for the new year from someone who recognizes your name from Wikipedia. And you helped me so much in about one email. -[[User:Susanlesch|Susanlesch]] ([[User talk:Susanlesch|talk]]) 19:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)</div>

==Callmebc is coming back==
It looks like Callmebc is getting yet another chance by asking for an unblock [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Unblock_of_Callmebc]. You may want to watch some of the usual pages again.  --[[User:Jmcnamera|Jmcnamera]] ([[User talk:Jmcnamera|talk]]) 16:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
: He got to ask for an unblock but it seems to not be happening.  I already pointed out there that his terms would allow him to behave as he previously did except for being required to emit more useless notifications.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 19:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

==Openserving==
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==Atom==
I should admitt that I was wrong. I recalculated the radius of the hydrogen atom

<math>r_0=\frac{\hbar^2}{me^2}=52.9\,pm</math>. 

31 pm for He seems to be resonable now. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]] ([[User talk:Ruslik0|talk]]) 16:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

== Your reverts on [[George W. Bush military service controversy]] ==

Hi. I don't know if you knew this, but your reverts removed content that was initially removed by some anonymous IP's without discussion. My reverts only put them back, as well as another undiscussed deletion my another editor. I had made an effort to get a discussion going on the Talk page regarding the content in question, which seems to revolve around [http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lechliter.pdf an analysis] by Gerald Lechliter originally done for the NY Times and subsequently referenced by other newspapers. If you could, please refrain from deleting any more content until some sort of consensus regarding the material is reached. You are welcome of course to join in and give us your insights and thoughts on matters. -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] ([[User talk:Callmebc|talk]]) 17:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

: As the edit summary explained, the material had {{tl|Fact}} tags which had not been replaced for months.  Sources were produced for some of that material several minutes ago, as you probably already know.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 17:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

:: Ah, but that [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AGeorge_W._Bush_military_service_controversy&diff=184531445&oldid=184530653 is part] of the ongoing discussion. You probably just didn't notice it. If you really want to deal with  some old, never addressed {{tl|Fact}} tags,  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_authenticity_issues#Formatting this] other Bush-related  wiki could use some TLC. And I do believe you have an interest in that article as well, if I'm not mistaken. Hope this helps. -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] ([[User talk:Callmebc|talk]]) 17:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

A reminder: please use the Talk page if you disagree with a proposed edit. Don't just sit back, wait for the discussion to finish and then revert the edit with a cryptic/vague edit summary. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] ([[User talk:Callmebc|talk]]) 18:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
: Didn't realize that discussion was finished.  Seemed incomplete.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 18:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

:: Well, it would probably be less disruptive if you could check first to see if there was a discussion on the edit before reverting. Aside from mostly some anonymous IP's, most editors have been conscientious in using the Talk page to propose and explain edits. Also if you could follow along with the discussion thread a little bit better and try to address the points at hand a little more clearly, that would also be most helpful. Again thanks in advance for your cooperation. -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] ([[User talk:Callmebc|talk]]) 18:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

::: Perhaps you could present your points concisely and clearly so it is apparent what you mean, and not declare an item lost in your chatter has been decided.  Thanks for the information.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 19:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

:::: Well, thought I had been fairly diligent in clearly presenting my points and asking for feedback, including striving to rephrase and simplify things as much as possible to help better engage you in discussion, as demonstrated by this sequence involving proposed changes to the "Timeline" section: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AGeorge_W._Bush_military_service_controversy&diff=184323874&oldid=184300217] [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy&diff=next&oldid=184622036] [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy&diff=next&oldid=184762576] [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy&diff=next&oldid=184772652]. I admit, though, that for whatever reason this approach has not worked well so far. If there is another method of phrasing, syntax or such you can recommend to better facilitate communication, I would be happy to try to implement it. Besides striving to be a comprehensive, neutral and accurate store of knowledge, Wikipedia is also a collaborative endeavor, and anything that engenders good communication among the participants will only serve to help the overall enterprise move forward. You agree, no? -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] ([[User talk:Callmebc|talk]]) 20:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

::::: You omitted your initial specification of deleting relevant material, and have not specified what you now propose.  Discuss over there.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 20:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

== tagging Israeli-Palestinian conflict sanctions ==

Greetings. Glad to see you helping with sanctions.

However, I wanted to talk to you about the Israel-Palestine sanctions. These apply to a broad swath of articles, by no means not just the article you recently tagged [[Israeli-Palestinian conflict]]. It may be confusing because the article name is similar to the topic area name used by ArbCom.

In the Talk page to the case, there has been discussion of whether to tag individual articles. Perhaps you should discuss the question of tagging there? Thanks very much, (pls reply to my Talk), [[User:HG|HG]] | [[User talk:HG|Talk]] 17:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#Clarification request|Here's where]] there's discussion about why tagging individual articles isn't needed. I suppose you could ask the Israel and Palestine WikiProjects to post a notice. But does it make sense to tag 150+ articles? (You could leave an explanatory  note at the Sanctions page.) See also the list of articles [[WP:IPCOLL/BATTLE]] analyzed here. If by any chance you want to help monitor and "pacify" this topic area, we'd welcome uninvolved parties to [[WP:IPCOLL|this WikiProject]], thanks! [[User:HG|HG]] | [[User talk:HG|Talk]] 18:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, it's a nice template you've made. Thanks. I did drop a note in Talk for the ArbCom case. Be well, [[User:HG|HG]] | [[User talk:HG|Talk]] 18:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


== Birmingham Pub Bombings ==

I note that you have applied a General sanction to this page. I also note that you are not an admin, so by what authority have you taken this step?
--[[User:Maxburgoyne|MJB]] ([[User talk:Maxburgoyne|talk]]) 19:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
: I only applied a notice of the existing sanction.  The sanction was applied to the article in [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/The_Troubles#Log_of_blocks.2C_bans.2C_and_probations]].  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 19:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
::That's not the same as sanctions.  Please see [[WP:SANCTION]] for a list of articles to which sanctions apply.  The sanctions template should only be used on those articles. [[User:Waggers|Waggers]] ([[User talk:Waggers|talk]]) 19:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
::: It is the same.  See '''The Troubles''' in WP:SANCTION, which links to the above as the record of enforcement actions.  "Sanction" is the general term under which several restrictions exist.  Some articles have more specific restriction notices, but I used the general term without trying to guess the intentions of admins/arbs.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 19:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== Wisconsinian glaciation. ==

You need to archive this page. (postscript and hint: the earliest posts are from 2005)

Anyway. No fight with you, but the abandonment of the historic name for the last three periods of the last North American ice age is silly. It's the stuff I've been reading about, and not this new-fangled term. [[User:Ace Telephone|Ace Telephone]] ([[User talk:Ace Telephone|talk]]) 10:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

==NHL date vs NRHP date ==
In a nutshell, the National Historic Landmark program predates the National Register of Historic Places - the first NHLs were designated in 1960. The NRHP didn't come into existence until 1966. These first NHLs were the first properties listed in the NRHP. [[User:Einbierbitte|Einbierbitte]] ([[User talk:Einbierbitte|talk]]) 15:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Feb 5 outbreak ==

Good job on publishing the coordinates for the outbreak's reports! (While some may need to be revised, it is a great start). I don't really know that stuff yet, but I might figure it out for past events. [[User:CrazyC83|CrazyC83]] ([[User talk:CrazyC83|talk]]) 16:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

== Peer review of [[List of National Historic Landmarks in New York]] ==

Hi SEWilco -- Your input is invited.  :)  I've gone ahead and asked for peer review on the [[List of National Historic Landmarks in New York]] list, including the [[List of National Historic Landmarks in New York City]] (hopefully to be considered by the peer reviewers as well).  Open at [[Wikipedia:Peer review#List of National Historic Landmarks in New York]]. [[User:Doncram|doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 23:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Template:GeoTemplate ==

No, it isn't. Or at least I don't see anywhere where it's called. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 05:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== AWB image damage ==

Thanks for catching that, I downloaded the new AWB update and it appears to be deleting the thumb from images.  I was going to let the programmers know today.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I am going to go back through my edits and see if it broke anymore.  Let me know if you find anything else.--[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 12:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
==Thank you==
Thank you very much for welcoming me.[[User:Toanvungtau|Toanvungtau]] ([[User talk:Toanvungtau|talk]]) 17:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==edits at [[Automated Guided Vehicle]]==
(copied from article talk page) I didn't notice that, thanks SEWilco.  But that left a rejected image, so I reverted the 3 anon edits also, which restores the video links...despite the fact that I'm generally in favor of deleting video links on robotics articles unless they really illustrate something that can't be seen without the video.  It's not a strong opinion, it would just be really nice not to have to patrol things that take a long time to watch, and allowing non-essential video is an open invitation to commercial spammers...as if we don't have enough already. - Dan [[User:Dank55|Dank55]] ([[User talk:Dank55|talk]]) 18:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==SEWilco, would you be one of my "Rear Admirals"?==
(Copied from my userpage) When Pat Paulsen was running for president, he had a "Rear Admiral" running mate, who would kick him in the rear every time he said something stupid.  I'm not planning on running for admin, and if I do it won't be before next December, but I'm asking for admin volunteers to boot me in the rear any time they happen to notice me doing (more) stupid things!  So far I've signed up: [[User:SatyrTN]] - Dan [[User:Dank55|Dank55]] ([[User talk:Dank55|talk]]) 19:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

: I'm not an admin, so look elsewhere.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 23:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

::Oops, sorry.  (I did a check on Special:Listusers/sysop but screwed it up somehow.)  Nevertheless...thanks for your help with the robotics article (AGV), sometimes it gets a little lonely patrolling these. - Dan [[User:Dank55|Dank55]] ([[User talk:Dank55|talk]]) 00:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

== SF NRHP coords ==

Very cool ... wish I'd known about this before I spent hours making my own map! I had a feeling that something like it already existed somewhere, but I couldn't find it. In any case, it was a good exercise to map the locations myself just to familiarize myself with where they are. I think I'll go ahead and turn the San Francisco NRHP list into the same type of table you created for Kings County, NY. Do you have some kind of virtual magic wand that will do this quickly or do you suggest doing some creative cutting/pasting and finding/replacing? --[[User:Sanfranman59|Sanfranman59]] ([[User talk:Sanfranman59|talk]]) 20:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

: I don't remember how I created that table, as I have the Unix text toolbox handy.  One might use a spreadsheet; load the first column with the existing list, then paste the coordinates in the adjacent column, and check for alignment.  Then convert from the spreadsheet format to wikitable.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 21:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

:: Thanks. That's pretty much the approach I'm taking. --[[User:Sanfranman59|Sanfranman59]] ([[User talk:Sanfranman59|talk]]) 21:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

== Revert in St t ==

just a point to ponder maybe you found something that i missed. But on the page St Thomas, Ontario you reverted an edit to place kelley armstrong back on the page as a notable residnet of st thomas. Unless Im mising something she was born in Sudbury Ontario and her biography says she resides in Rural Ontario. I did not see any mention of St Thomas Ontario on her biography on her offical website. Is there a source that says so?(her wikipedia page doesnt even mention st thomas), She may be a resident of central egin or even a smaller community like talbotville, do you have a source? take care [[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 03:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Naughty article!  Go to the corner! ==

I haven't noticed any article being sanctioned or blocked.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Sanctions&curid=15518669&diff=193605481&oldid=188202522]  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco|talk]]) 01:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

:It's called [[Wikipedia:Article_probation#Types_of_sanctions|article probation]], and it's applied to [[Jewish lobby]] and [[Liancourt Rocks]], among others. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 02:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

:: Your phrasing says that articles are subject to [[WP:SANCTION|sanctions]].  Editors get sanctions.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco|talk]]) 02:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I know my phrasing suggests that -- and that was the intention. Articles ''are'' subject to sanctions: article probation. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 02:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

==Treaty of Tripoli==
I don't know if you would like me to reply on my page or yours, but thanks for writing. I'm not surprised that you did not find anything shedding more light on Article 11. I doubt there ever has been anything that in the primary documents that could show any more than we already know. [[User:Pooua|Pooua]] ([[User talk:Pooua|talk]]) 01:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

: Yup, the researchers should have had more info than we do.  There was the chance that something had popped up from someplace.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 01:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== HEAO 3 et al ==

Hi, I just expanded the article you started for [[HEAO 3]] a while back.  Though you might like to make corrections or changes.  I also made a separate article on the [[HEAO Program]], that gives an overview, and links to the three satellites.  [[HEAO 1]] & Einstein are still in a stubby condition, hope I can do a little more on them sometime later, though I only have personal experience with 1 & 3.  Cheers, [[User:Wwheaton|Wwheaton]] ([[User talk:Wwheaton|talk]]) 22:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

== Your revert at George W. Bush military service controversy == 

Hi. I created a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy#Insert_of_.22and_no_evidence_that_he_did_not.22 new talk section] for IP [[Special:Contributions/72.208.120.98|72.208.120.98]]'s undiscussed insert of "''and no evidence that he did not''" into the main article and your evident support of it, since you reverted my removal of it. Since this is a new insert, I think it would best if I again remove it and that you give some justification to adding it since it seems to be a not very logical supposition given that the Dod keeps a repository of Bush's records [http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/bush_records here], and there is no record of Bush complying with the order. But you are welcome to share your thoughts on the Talk page section. -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] ([[User talk:Callmebc|talk]]) 16:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

== Supposed vandalism on [[Hamas]] ==

Hi SEWilco,

I've noticed you've been using [[WP:TW]] to revert [[User:Shakur420]]'s edits on [[Hamas]] as vandalism. This is not the way to go. Please check out the following:
* [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles]]: discussion of do's and dont's when editing articles related to the [[Israeli-Palestinian conflict]].
* [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive350#Twinkle]] and [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive121#Clarification - Twinkle]]: when and how not to use [[WP:TW]] in content disputes.
Cheers, <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Pedro Gonnet|<font color="#000">pedro gonnet</font>]]''' - '''[[User talk:Pedro Gonnet|<font color="#000">talk</font>]]''' - 06.03.2008 15:55</small>

: He was deleting content, he got treated as other vandals.  As you're apparently invoking [[WP:SANCTIONS]] on the article, I tagged it as such.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 16:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Why do the Las Vegas area casinos say they are in Paradise, Nevada? ==
If that is the guideline then why don't the Orlando resorts state the specific city that they are in? [[Special:Contributions/74.163.224.123|74.163.224.123]] ([[User talk:74.163.224.123|talk]]) 19:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

: Eh?  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 19:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a Miamiboyzinhere sock IP, he is targeting people who have reverted his edits.  You may have been a person who reverted his edits in the past.  [[User:Momusufan|Momusufan]] ([[User talk:Momusufan|talk]]) 19:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

: It looked something like that.  I gave him more than enough attention, if he wants more he'll need to supply some.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 19:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

:Re: I saw the sock, I didn't want to put anything there to tip him off.  [[User:Momusufan|Momusufan]] ([[User talk:Momusufan|talk]]) 19:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== KD ==
To reply to your post on my talk: I say leave it, it will just inflame the situation more to make an issue of it.  [[User:Kaisershatner|Kaisershatner]] ([[User talk:Kaisershatner|talk]]) 20:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

==[[Disfranchisement after the Civil War]]==
Thanks for your encouragement. Always good to know others are reading! I came across some good sources yesterday that help show the scale of this injustice, so will be adding data, too.--[[User:Parkwells|Parkwells]] ([[User talk:Parkwells|talk]]) 18:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

== Re: [[Shore platform]] ==

Hi.  I reverted instead of deleted as per this guideline in [[WP:COPYVIO]]: "If all of the content of a page appears to be a copyright infringement, check the page history; if an older non-infringing version of the page exists, you should revert the page to that version." <span style="color:DarkGray;">...</span> [[User:discospinster|<span style="color:DarkOrange;">'''disco'''</span><span style="color:DarkOliveGreen;">'''''spinster'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:discospinster|'''<span style="color:DarkGray;">talk</span>''']]</sub> 13:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

== [[Homer Jacobson]] edits reverted ==

Hi, since I know nothing about this person & saw your comment on the talk page, I thought it might be good to let you know.  I think the edits, by a new IP user ([[75.127.224.130]]), were definitely unsourced and derogatory, so they needed to be removed until beefed up somehow.  But they may be true, I have no idea.  [[User:Wwheaton|Wwheaton]] ([[User talk:Wwheaton|talk]]) 19:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

==Global dimming GA Sweeps Review: On Hold==
As part of the [[WP:WGA|WikiProject Good Articles]], we're doing [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps|sweeps]] to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the [[WP:WIAGA|GA criteria]] and I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I have reviewed [[Global dimming]] and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a [[WP:GA|Good article]]. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left this message on your talk page since you have significantly edited the article (based on using [http://vs.aka-online.de/wppagehiststat/ this article history tool]). Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix with the assistance of multiple editors. I have also left messages on the talk pages for other editors and a related WikiProject to spread the workload around some. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --[[User:Nehrams2020|Nehrams2020]] ([[User talk:Nehrams2020|talk]]) 05:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

==[[Geysers]]==

It seems you had once worked on the article. Me and one more editor have expanded the article quite a lot making it ready for GA. Can you review the article and give us your valueable suggestions before we nominate. Thank You! [[User:Indianescence|Indianescence]] ([[User talk:Indianescence|talk]]) 06:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Source to RefBot? ==

Can you share some version of your source code for RefBot? It seems like a helpful labor-saving device as we collaborate towards higher quality.--[[Special:Contributions/75.7.56.226|75.7.56.226]] ([[User talk:75.7.56.226|talk]]) 21:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

: The only version which will be available for at least six years is what is already part of the pywikipediabot collection.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 02:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

== Reverts on Hamas ==

Hi SEWilco,

[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hamas&diff=212340920&oldid=212324351 here] you reverted 5 edits at once, two of them being a legitimate removal of a self-published source, giving only a reason for the last of the five. Please have a second look.

Cheers, <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Pedrito|<font color="#000">pedrito</font>]]''' - '''[[User talk:Pedrito|<font color="#000">talk</font>]]''' - 14.05.2008 13:38</small>

== User:216.125.74.4 ==

Thank you for the message you left on my talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kralizec%21&diff=next&oldid=212605499].  The first level {{tl|uw-vandalism1}} warning I issued to {{user|216.125.74.4}} was not a mistake as I prefer to AGF when it comes to massively shared IPs that have received zero warnings since last month.  However I am curious as to which part of [[WP:USER]] has been updated that makes it permissible to ''delete'' others' talk page messages and replace them with your own.  --[[User:Kralizec!|Kralizec!]] ([[User talk:Kralizec!|talk]]) 19:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

: I was on RC patrol and my v4 collided with your v1.  I replaced your v4 with my v1 rather than give two warnings for the same event, although their v took the time of two editors.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 19:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

::I do not understand what you mean when you said that you were on RC patrol, as {{user|Delicious carbuncle}} was the one to revert the vandalism, and that was 16 minutes after the fact [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sandwich&diff=212649160&oldid=212645925], so this instance of vandalism would have never shown up on the recent changes page when you were looking at it 57 minutes later.  The warning I left for this IP was in response to the AIV report made by ''Delicious carbuncle'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=212649357&oldid=212648894], which I declined to block due to the fact that the "last warning" had been issued the previous month.  --[[User:Kralizec!|Kralizec!]] ([[User talk:Kralizec!|talk]]) 19:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

::: I was on RC during that entire period, and looked at the rv (don't remember if I noticed the rv on RC or if I didn't look at the v's tab until the rv was done -- I open a bunch of RC tabs and wade through them).  The vandal's name was highlighted by my browser, so I checked later whether a warning was given for the text tinkering.  I didn't notice that the person reverting and the one giving the warning were different (not that it matters).  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 22:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== User talk:199.120.75.132 ==

Did you use a tool available only to administrators and bureaucrats to find the IP address for User talk:199.120.75.132 ?  I've seen this address before.  It was used by Davis County High School in Bloomfield, IA.  I just wonder where you found information that said it is in Titonka. [[User:FluffyWhiteCat|FluffyWhiteCat]] ([[User talk:FluffyWhiteCat|talk]]) 00:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

: Nope, public info.  On the bottom of [[Special:Contributions/199.120.75.132]] is a WHOIS link.  At the top of the WHOIS info it says the IP address resolves to titonka132.titonka.k12.ia.us.  Look at that address with your browser and you'll find you have to replace the left side to reach http://www.titonka.k12.ia.us/ which contains the Titonka address.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 03:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== Fourth of July, or bust, Thanks! ==

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|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Fourth of July, or bust, Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I award you this Barnstar for your solid, witty, creative, supportive, learned, timely, cheerful, eloquent, and/or otherwise generally great contributions on U. S. National Historic Landmarks' articles.  Yippee o yay, '''[[User:Doncram/FourthOfJulyDriveGoalMetPrettyMuch|we pretty much met our goal]]''' of a well-started article for each of [[List of National Historic Landmarks by state|2,442 NHLs]] by today!<br/>
Thanks, and have a great Fourth of July! -- [[User:Doncram|Doncram]], 4 July 2008
|}

Hi SEWilco, I don't know if you were aware or not of the ongoing NHL articles cleanup drive.  But, we now have an article for just about each of 2,442 NHLs, with 1,750 or so of them illustrated.  Your early groundwork developing draft NHL list-tables has been a big help.  Cheers, [[User:Doncram|doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 16:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[n:Minneapolis I-35W bridge spans Mississippi River|Minneapolis I-35W bridge spans Mississippi River]] ==

Thanks for adding this article to Wikinews. However, please do not publish until there are two independent sources. I did notice that you had original photos to accompany this; they are great. Thanks. --[[User:SVTCobra|SVTCobra]] ([[User talk:SVTCobra|talk]]) 01:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Skateboarding incident ==

How is that trivia?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Skatethinkrevolt|Skatethinkrevolt]] ([[User talk:Skatethinkrevolt|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Skatethinkrevolt|contribs]]) 15:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: Misdemeanors are trivial.  Moved to [[:Skateboarding]] in case it is something relevant there.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 03:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Abiogenic oil ==

I have reverted back to the version with Hypothesis vs. Theory per the discussion by [[Talk:Abiogenic_petroleum_origin/Archive_3#Jclark77|Jclark77]].  If you believe that a few instances need to be reverted, please do so and we will see what exactly you mean by "damaged source, article explains non-oil relevance, article has 'pressure' details.." as this appears to be a fairly novel explanation.  I know of no evidence that there exists abiogenic '''petroleum''', and thus this is still a hypothesis.  [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 16:46, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
: Read the rv in the Jclark77 "Data" section.  Try Control-F then 'pressure' to find where article discusses pressure.  Oh, and read the article, maybe also some source material.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 03:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

==[[:Piedmont (ecoregion)]]==
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This is an automated message from [[User:CorenSearchBot|CorenSearchBot]].  I have performed a web search with the contents of [[:Piedmont (ecoregion)]], and it appears to include a substantial copy of http://georgiawildlife.dnr.state.ga.us/cwcsEcoregions_conservation.aspx.  For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences.

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: Answered.  It's probably PD text so good luck not finding copies.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 04:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

==Speedy deletion of [[:Piedmont (ecoregion)]]==
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As a quick note in response to your edit summary [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Piedmont_%28ecoregion%29&diff=226753378&oldid=226753197 here], if it were a federal government site, you would be correct that it would likely be public domain. However, state government work is not automatically public domain, and most states due retain the copyright on their works. Georgia is one such state, and per that web site's usage guidelines, everything on the site is copyrighted. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 06:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

: That edit was a response to the bot's discovery of the state copy of the PD EPA text.  The article history has the GFDL source of the PD text.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 14:26, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

==Southeastern Plains (ecoregion)==
I've deleted [[Southeastern Plains (ecoregion)]] as a copyvio from the same Georgia state website [http://www1.gadnr.org/cwcs/Documents/ecoregion.html]. It seems likely that the good Georgia folks are using EPA or other public domain material, but their site is copyrighted. Now, when you created the article you failed to provide a source or any references to indicate a source for the presumed PD text and a quick google search brought up the Ga state page. Bottom line - if you re-create the page with a PD text dump you must provide a source for said PD text. Cheers, [[User:Vsmith|Vsmith]] ([[User talk:Vsmith|talk]]) 12:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

== Piedmont (ecoregion) ==

I have reviewed the deletion I did.  Using the larger article that was the source of the cut and past does not help.  The text there is also unsourced so that does not make it clear that the GFDL applies.  You are free to create the article again, but if you do, source it from an acceptable source.  The article needs to assert that it is not a copyvio.  [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 02:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

: Actually, any text donated to Wikipedia is under the GFDL.  Whether Wikipedia rejects it is not relevant to the licensing of the text.  So, did you speedily delete [[:List of ecoregions in the United States (EPA)]], or merely request more sources?  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 02:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
::It was deleted as a copyvio.  If as you claim, there is a PD source, then feel free to recreate the article citing the PD source.  If I have time I'll be looking at the article which was the source and see if that needs to be deleted since it is poorly sourced and could be a copyvio itself.  [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 02:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Accusation of Personal Attacks ==

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== Question ==

Do you know where I can find Infrared satellite images of Welda: 51° 27′ 10″ N, 9° 6′ 39″ O;
apparently there exists images made after storm Kyrill in 2007 by satellite either NASA or other Agency? Kind regards,--[[Special:Contributions/92.226.132.136|92.226.132.136]] ([[User talk:92.226.132.136|talk]]) 23:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
: Don't know.  You can find the same satellite services which I'd have to hunt down.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 00:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

== DYK ==

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== POV editors are back on Lurita Doan article ==

SEWilco, I noticed some time ago that you dropped by the [[Lurita Doan]] talk page and commented on POV concerns there. I (along with others) tried to make some NPOV edits to reflect what was reported and verifiable in the mainstream media. However, there is at least one editor that seems interested in a re-write that seeks to minimize her tenure as GSA chief and the Hatch Act troubles that dogged her (as with many other Bush appointees).

I was hopeful that you might spend some time, in the near future, on a return-trip to the Doan article and have a look around. Thanks--[[User:Happysomeone|Happysomeone]] ([[User talk:Happysomeone|talk]]) 21:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


* SEWilco- Changes have now been made without consensus. Could I get a little help or advice here, please? --[[User:Happysomeone|Happysomeone]] ([[User talk:Happysomeone|talk]]) 19:28, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


**Thank you for stopping by. It appears a Wikipedian raising BLP concerns here is a "family friend" [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&oldid=228901481#Lurita_Doan]of the Doans by their own admission. While I certainly appreciate this person's candor, is this type of action appropriate? It reminds me of a similar situation where a BLP article was deleted for [[WP:OR]], I believe, when it was discovered the author was the subject's husband. Thoughts? Please reply to my talk page. Thanks!--[[User:Happysomeone|Happysomeone]] ([[User talk:Happysomeone|talk]]) 18:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

==CfD nomination of [[:Category:License tags]]==
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== Great pic ==

My, you were up early this morning :-)  [[:Image:Saint_Anthony_(35W)_Bridge_opening_2008-09-18.JPG|Great pic]].  [[User:Keeper76|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:comic sans ms;">Keeper</span>]] <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA">&#448;</span> [[User talk:Keeper76|<span style="color:#CC7722; font-family:Papyrus;">76</span>]] 14:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Going above and beyond to obtain an image of the 5 am opening of the [[St. Anthony Falls (35W) Bridge]]. thank you much.--[[User:Appraiser|Appraiser]] ([[User talk:Appraiser|talk]]) 14:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
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: Wait until you see what I just got during daylight.  I won't be near a suitable interface until later today.  -- [[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] ([[User talk:SEWilco#top|talk]]) 18:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

==Minneapolis Meetups==

 Town Hall Brewery
 [http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=Minneapolis+Town+Hall+Brewery&fb=1&near=Minneapolis,+MN&cd=1&cid=0,0,1651503314640040051&li=lmd&ll=44.975182,-93.247919&spn=0.034609,0.073986&z=14 maps.google.com]
 1430 Washington Ave S
 Minneapolis, MN 55454
 (612) 339-8696
 October 11, 2008
 Saturday at 12:00 noon (midday)
 [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Minneapolis#2008_meetup|Meetup RSVP]]

 Muddy Waters
 [http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=muddy+waters+minneapolis&fb=1&cid=16952888972669250779&li=lmd&ll=44.960607,-93.287573&spn=0.034618,0.073986&z=14 maps.google.com]
 2401 Lyndale Ave S
 Minneapolis, MN 55405
 (612) 872-2232
 October 10, 2008
 Friday at 10:00 PM (at night)
 [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Minneapolis#Alternate_2008_Meetup|Alternate meetup RSVP]]

Hope you can make it. Feel free to pass along these invitations. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 17:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== A study on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies ==

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==WikiProject Forestry==
I saw your comment on the proposal page that you were looking for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Forestry]]- letting you know that it now exists. [[User:Minnecologies|Minnecologies]] ([[User talk:Minnecologies|talk]]) 19:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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==Minnesota Meetup==
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== [[Control of fire by early humans]] ==

As a courtesy, I am informing you that I have removed the section you initially added in September 2008 titled "Fire in the Americas" because it does not really have anything to do with the article [[Control of fire by early humans]]. This article is about the discovery and subsequent use of fire by early members of [[Homo (genus)|''Homo'']], which does not include ''[[human|H. sapiens sapiens]]'', which pre-Columbian Amerindians were. While it is relevant discussion, it does not warrant its own section in an article which discusses the use of fire by humans from tens of thousands to millions of years earlier.—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="Gold">竜龙</font>]]) 02:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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== Meetup ==

{{Minnesota meetup|date=31 October 2010|time=noon|place=[[Midtown Exchange|Midtown Exchange Global Market]],<br>[[Lake Street (Minneapolis)|East Lake Street]], [[Minneapolis]], [[Minnesota]]<br>{{Coord|44.9493|-93.2612|type:landmark}}}}

== Caucasian Wingnut ==

Please see [[Talk:Caucasian Wingnut]] for remarks on whether talkingpointsmemo.com is a "reliable source."  Thanks! [[User:Danbirchall|Dan]] ([[User talk:Danbirchall|talk]]) 22:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== November Minnesota Meetup ==
This one actually has an agenda!  --[[User:Bobak|Bobak]] ([[User talk:Bobak|talk]]) 00:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hi!
My name is Edoardo Bit, I am an architect and also a “young researcher” of the University of Ferarra (Italy).
 
I am writing a book on the “green walls technologies” and I have found very interesting a photo in your page. So, I would kindly ask you if I can use it in my book.

Obviously, if you gently decide to grant me the permission, your name (or your nickname) and the link of the picture will be correctly cited in the credits of my publication.

The photo which I would use is:
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Thank you very much! I hope you will attend my request…
My e-mail is: edoardo.bit@gmail.com

Bye,
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== Nomination of [[:Identification of trees of the northeastern United States]] for deletion ==
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article [[:Identification of trees of the northeastern United States]] is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The article will be discussed at '''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Identification of trees of the northeastern United States]]''' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.<!-- Template:Afd notice --></div> [[User:Helpful Raccoon|Helpful Raccoon]] ([[User talk:Helpful Raccoon|talk]]) 06:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
==[[:Category:Regional WikiProjects]] has been nominated for merging==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>[[:Category:Regional WikiProjects]] has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the [[Wikipedia:Categorization|categorization]] guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Category:Regional WikiProjects|the category's entry]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|categories for discussion]] page.<!-- Template:Cfd-notify--> Thank you. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 16:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:Images of Detroit]]==
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A tag has been placed on [[:Category:Images of Detroit]] indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a [[:Category:Disambiguation categories|disambiguation category]], a [[:Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories|category redirect]], under discussion at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|Categories for discussion]], or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under [[WP:CSD#C1|section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion]]. 

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may '''contest the nomination''' by [[:Category:Images of Detroit|visiting the page]] and removing the speedy deletion tag. <!-- Template:Db-catempty-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 01:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)