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== Film technique articles in need of work ==

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:[[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 15:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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:[[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 22:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Just think... ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&curid=9870625&diff=356200792&oldid=356200086] - you can now honestly say that you had one of your fantasies fulfilled today... ;-)  [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 17:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

: Wikipedia is full of surprises :-) [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 19:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

==Edit==
Hi. I just wanted to let you know that I was thinking of making the same edit at [[Fermi paradox]]. The word "virtually" in that sentence did not make sense, and was "virtually" unnecessary. [[User:Steve Quinn|Steve Quinn (formerly Ti-30X)]] ([[User talk:Steve Quinn|talk]]) 06:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks for letting me know. You know what they say? Great minds think alike! [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 06:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

==Re: 5D Mark II productions==
Hi Stephen. You edited the [[Canon EOS 5D Mark II|5D Mark II article]], asking whether House used to shoot on 35mm. That's indeed the case, as the Imdb technical page confirms:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412142/technical

''35 mm (Fuji Eterna 400T 8583)''
Super 35 (source format)

The way you edited the sentence makes it sound as if the Mark II has only been used on these two productions (Saturday Night Live and House). I had originally phrased it "such as [...]" because other productions have made use of the camera as well. Cinematographer Rodney Charters for example has shot the Mark II on the TV show ''24'' numerous times. ''24'', too, normally shoots on 35mm film:

35 mm (Kodak Vision2 Expression 500T 5229)
35 mm (Kodak) (3-perf)
Super 35 (3-perf) (source format)

[[User:Chris TC01|Chris TC01]] ([[User talk:Chris TC01|talk]]) 11:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

:Thank you for the response. I think it is worth inluding inline references for statements like this. I'd be happy with a more expansion version too. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 12:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Immunize|ts=14:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)}}
[[User:Immunize|Immunize ]] ([[User talk:Immunize|talk]]) 14:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
: Hi! I replied on your talk pages. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 21:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Why bother? ==

I wrote a very precise sourced version and Captain Occam insisted it be shovelled away into a non-existent criticism section. The point is not about Lynn. but whether the data presented is up to snuff. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 00:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
: Yes - we now have a much better paragraph to discuss, so its inclusion is much more likely and its prominence will be higher. And Captain Occam has graciously acknowledged your general point that it should be included. If editors can at least slightly push in the same direction, we'll continue to make progress with the article. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 00:59, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::My intention was not to edit the article again, but I was familiar with that material. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 01:23, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::: I don't generally go for compromise - see the top of [[User_talk:JzG]] for a quote - but stepping stones towards the best solution are often the most effective way to get there, particularly when editors start from different places. And sometimes I learn something new and end up where I wasn't expecting. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 01:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

== CloudCamp ==

Ironic, really, that the #ashcloud has brought down the CloudCamp. I hope you'll be free for the rescheduled event. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 17:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
: Yes. And with a conference all last week and an investment show next Saturday, I was looking forward to something to fit in mid-week ;-) I'll let you know if I hear anything about the next one before you do. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 17:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

==AN/I:  Abuse of sysop tools, and failure to follow consensus – Causa sui==
Hello. This is to let you know that there is now [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Abuse_of_sysop_tools.2C_and_failure_to_follow_consensus_.E2.80.93_Causa_sui a discussion at AN/I] regarding an issue that you commented on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Epeefleche#April_2010 here].--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 06:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 06:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for your feedback on the new Assumptions section of Race and Intelligence. I think it is an improvement and I appreciate you taking the time to comment. I also think that having the participation of you and some other new, experienced editors has helped, at least a bit, with the dynamics of the article. [[User:David.Kane|David.Kane]] ([[User talk:David.Kane|talk]]) 23:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
: You're welcome! This has always been one of the more interesting articles to be involved with, but I feel we are making quite a lot of progress these days. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 05:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== FYI ==



You might want to weigh in [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents/Causa_sui#Statement|here]]. --[[User:Causa sui|causa sui]] ([[User talk:Causa sui|talk]]) 15:46, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== Your note ==

See my edit comment; I think it explains my concern. [[User:Crum375|Crum375]] ([[User talk:Crum375|talk]]) 21:22, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
* But the current version is even worse - it says they cannot be included as long as secondary sources exist - ie if they can be included at all, it is only when there are no secondary sources. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 21:27, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
**It seems the latest version is clearer. [[User:Crum375|Crum375]] ([[User talk:Crum375|talk]]) 21:43, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

==NPOV==
I believe that issues such as the one [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Jack-in-cube_%28lighter%29#Jack-in-cube_solid_model_animation_.28lighter_background.29 I raise here] are among your areas of expertise.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 07:09, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== FP ==

Well played. [[User:Greg L|Greg L]] ([[User talk:Greg L|talk]]) 15:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks. The graphic works under Firefox and Safari as you predict. It also plays smoothly on my [[N900]]. PS I was considering issuing a block notice to E for "Disruptive editing, abuse of editing privileges and wrong POV" but he changed his edit first ;-) [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 20:24, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::Guilty as charged, of course.  Hey -- I now know that even if you brought me to AN/I, I could always just filibuster my way along, ignoring the criticism heaped upon me and (depending on my personality type) perhaps even feeding off of all the denigrating negative attention.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 20:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::: But you would have to agree not to do it again :-) [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 20:35, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, I would agree that everyone was reading the guideline incorrectly, but I would agree that if the guideline were revised I would follow it.  Maybe.  Or maybe not.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 20:38, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::You'd have to revise the guideline yourself, leading to a flurry of edits and a much clearer result. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 20:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== Race and Intelligence ==

You are right about rudeness.  But these parties just went through a five month mediation in which all these policy issues were discussed, ad nauseum, in relation to this material.  Outside of a small group of scholars, most psychologists, sociologists, anthropologists, and biologists do not believe that blacks are genetically inferior to whites.  But a small group of editors will do whatever they can to create the impression that the small number of researchers who do believe this are represented not only as majority or mainstream (which is not true) but as representing a scientific consensus.  Right now the article is in a reasonable state but there are still several areas where someone can too easily get the wrong impression.  Sooner or later this wil probably just go back to mediation ... [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]   |  [[User talk:Slrubenstein|Talk]] 20:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

: I would offer to mediate if I wasn't so busy. What I can do when I am around is to try to bridge people's differences and help them communicate with each other. I have tried to slow down the editing process a little so that people can understand more before they edit - Captain Occam is one of several who have been very amenable to this idea, and I'm sure many reverts in all directions have been avoided as a result of this slight change in tempo.  Your lessons on policy are a useful reminder to all editors, but as you know from the NPOV discussion, even intelligent and experienced Wikipedians don't get it all right first time. I have suggested several times to some SPAs that they broaden their experience here, which will also assist them in forming an intuitive idea of what these policies mean. It is one of Wikipedia's ironies that the emotional force which drives people to edit here can also pull them away from NPOV. Luckily, editors are accountable to each other. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 20:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::I appreciate your gesture.  Alas, some of the most thoughtful and well-informed editors have already been driven away from the article.  Without a large and diverse and research-skilled or well-informed editors, most articles would be doomed, regardless of policy ... [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]   |  [[User talk:Slrubenstein|Talk]] 21:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::: The trick is to take it easy and not burn out. This is one of the [http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/watcher.py?db=enwiki_p&titles=Race_and_intelligence most watched] articles I've come across, so there will be many good editors dipping in from time to time. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 22:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

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==Jolie==
I appreciate you keeping the discussion focused.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Angelina_Jolie&action=historysubmit&diff=359145264&oldid=359142826] Regards, [[User:Piano non troppo|Piano non troppo]] ([[User talk:Piano non troppo|talk]]) 22:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks. I don't normally edit these articles, so I'm prepared to be flexible! [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 22:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

== Mediation ==

You made the following comments on {{user|xeno}}'s talk page:

{{quote|I have also managed to criticise Causa sui without retaliation. There is obviously a mutual misunderstanding going on which has led to mistrust. Issues get amplified with interaction. It is much easier to see the storms developing from the outside. Initially no one is at fault, but the unintentional mutual provocations lead to instabilities in the interaction between you. I'm sure ''either'' side could fix the problems, but if ''both''sides could change it would mean less work for both. In my plan, the fixes for each side would be different. The question is, would people rather be proved right and continue this disfunctional interaction, or give up that option in order to work productively together? [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater|talk]]) 20:38, 29 April 2010 (UTC)}}
I really have no idea what is going on here, but every time I try to make an edit to one of these articles I get paragraph-long diatribes about my personal character, usually on article talk pages or even my own talk page. This is harassing and has to stop. I've never descended into the same kind of juvenile behavior, and so this is absolutely not a two way street. It seems that the only way I can make them happy is to stop editing their articles, since any time they disagree with something I'm doing, they make it into a personal issue and react with aggression and hostility directed at me. If you can get someone to submit to mediation, I'll be there; I tried once and had no luck. If I were outside looking in, I would have blocked for [[WP:NPA]] a long time ago. --[[User:Causa sui|causa sui]] ([[User talk:Causa sui|talk]]) 22:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
*You may find it hard to believe, or understand why, but some people interpret your responses as aggressive and abusive. That is why you get the reaction you do. Interactions in text, without face-to-face body language, can easily be misconstrued. This is why [[WP:AGF]] was introduced. I have suggested some courses of action which you, for example, could undertake to soothe the situation. Also for Mr E. Without additional techniques to avoid conflict, relations can occasionally and without warning spiral down quite quickly in this unnatural environment. No one has taken up my suggestions yet, though I could make some more if people actually want to work together, which is not obvious at this stage. The suggestions could prevent further hassle with other people too. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 22:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
*If people are interested, I could mediate. We would be good to agree on what we all wanted to achieve though! [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 22:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
*:It really wouldn't surprise me if some of my recent responses come off that way, because I am getting angry and frustrated about this, as I believe I am being harassed. In general, it's going to be difficult for me to accept general fault in my previous interactions without diffs. Often in these cases hostility from one party is erroneously attributed to both sides; I've seen this phenomenon many times when I was on the outside, and now I seem to be a victim. As such, there is a tendency toward inadvertent victim blaming here. If mediators can't distinguish, I'm not going to see the point. Frankly, I want to get these articles ''right'', not waste time arguing about anyone's behavior; but I'm being continually dragged back into personal arguments about character and conduct and I'm frankly sick of it. Editing these articles is not worth the abuse, and nobody seems willing to do anything about it. That is a very bad reason for someone to stop editing. --[[User:Causa sui|causa sui]] ([[User talk:Causa sui|talk]]) 22:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
*:: I'm being summoned to bed - I'll reply in the morning... [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 22:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
*:::Nevermind. I'm done editing these articles. There was a time when nonsense like this would have been taken care of, but when I'm spending more time engaged in this ridiculousness rather than working on actual articles, it's time to hang it up. --[[User:Causa sui|causa sui]] ([[User talk:Causa sui|talk]]) 00:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

* Good morning Stephen. Gee… “Paragraph-long diatribes,” “harassing,” “juvenile behavior,” “aggression and hostility.” What(?)… no ‘kicking puppies’? My goodness. As an admin, I would truly expect him to appreciate the distinction between legitimate criticism of someone’s editing conduct v.s. personal attacks; I’m sure he’s dished out that very advise in the past to others. Please note that [[Wikipedia:Civility#Identifying_incivility|WP:Civility, here]] says incivility includes {{xt|(c)&nbsp;lying to mislead, including deliberately asserting false information}}.<p>As evidenced by [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Causa sui|Causa sui’s recent ANI]], he seems prone to not heeding the advise of other editors. This tendency lead some at that time to change their votes in shear exasperation and ask for Causa sui to relinquish his administrative tools. The final tally was 13 to 7 with 3 neutrals in support of the motion. This is an ominous indicator that Causa sui’s continued support of the community is eroding and is in serious jeopardy. Causa sui, of course, did not relinquish his tools as asked.<p>The solution is really quite simple. All he need do is avoid edits that exhibit a pattern of neutering terrorism-related articles so the individuals’ connections to terrorist organizations are swept aside and replaced with shear nonsense like [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=2007_Fort_Dix_attack_plot&diff=prev&oldid=357485963 this edit to ''2007 Fort Dix attack plot'',] which made ''the'' United States’ most dangerous citizen read as if he was [[Fulbright Program|Fulbright Fellow]] in good standing at Princeton. I regard this as POV-pushing of the worst order. Causa sui confuses criticism of this editorial bent of his with *personal attacks*. Such unfounded charges will not deflect from the truth of the matter here and he knows ''full well'' what is required to avoid criticism of his editing and sysop behavior in the future.<p>But, you know, that above advise is really playing into Causa sui’s game of laboriously poring over and picking apart individual edits and '''''[[Heat death of the universe|endless]]''''' arguing about how falsehoods in edit summaries are due to insufficient room to explain what he ''really'' meant. I see no need for such games and think it high time to get to the root of the problem. Frankly, all these problems seem to happen because Causa sui magically happens to appear at articles <u>right on the heels of Epeefleche</u> where he then pulls some editing stunt he really had to know would be seen as being provocative (at the very least) or entirely inappropriate. The above-linked edit of Causa sui’s and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Malika_El_Aroud&diff=358741273&oldid=346510028 this one to ''Malika El Aroud''] '''both''' followed right on the heels of Epeefleche.<p>Accordingly, all this wikidrama has all the hallmarks of being nothing more than a long-running feud between the two that morphed into a personal vendetta. It is most unbecoming of an administrator. Frankly, this used to be called “stalking” and the phenomenon now links to [[Wikipedia:Stalking#Wikihounding|WP:Wikihounding]]. By any name, it is improper conduct and I don’t know why Epeefleche hasn’t started an ANI to have Causa sui climb down out of his ass before now. I suggest the following, simple remedy (instead of mediation, ANIs, and RFC/Us, and all sorts of other, splendid wikidrama): Causa sui can simply take Epeefleche off his watch list and stop looking at his edit history. I pretty much guarantee that this one simple change will fix everything overnight. If Wikipedia needs to be protected from Epeefleche, the rest of the community is perfectly capable of doing so without Causa sui’s help. That simple.  [[User:Greg L|Greg L]] ([[User talk:Greg L|talk]]) 00:40, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

:* '''P.S.''' I had an edit conflict with Causa sui while posting, above, but went ahead anyway. Seeing now Causa sui’s 00:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC), post, I agree. I find that to be another version of not butting heads with Epeefleche. I am confident the outcome will be the same: peace. [[User:Greg L|Greg L]] ([[User talk:Greg L|talk]]) 00:40, 30 April 2010 (UTC)<p>[[Image:One litre of Platinum.jpg|thumb|right|300px|I C Pt]]

OK - here's my proposal:
* causa sui to give these specific areas of conflict a wiki-break by taking them off his watchlist, and work on more fun areas for a few months;
* Epeefeche to pay particular attention to WP:BIO, which is developing at the moment - see two recent [[Eric Ely]] AfD's and related discussion on Jimbo's talk page for evidence of this;
* in the mean time, the rest of the community can police Epeefleche's actions;
* if causa sui becomes aware of a particular problem, he should mention it at ANI and let another administrator sort it out; and
* Greg L to let causa sui continue in peace.
There are enough people here that any individual can take some time off policing any other individual. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 05:47, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

:* '''Agreed''' Wise counsel worth 1.2 ''miiiillion'' dollars. Thanks. [[User:Greg L|Greg L]] ([[User talk:Greg L|talk]]) 15:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:Better idea. I'll just stop editing articles for content entirely. If this is how we deal with situations like this, the person who shouts the loudest always wins. RCP is much more straightforward. --[[User:Causa sui|causa sui]] ([[User talk:Causa sui|talk]]) 09:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:: You are under no obligation to accept my mediation proposal. But you might like to bear in mind that I have repeated for you what you have already stated as your decision above: ''I am done editing these articles'', and included some feedback from disinterested observers at ANI. And, as you rightly notice, in this mediation proposal I am not intending to right all the wrongs on Wikipedia; merely to allow editors to continue without conflict. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 10:18, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::: He was apparently [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Causa_sui&curid=1897669&diff=359613613&oldid=357863994 displeased with events] as of late. [[User:Greg L|Greg L]] ([[User talk:Greg L|talk]]) 23:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: Perhaps he will rejoin when he's had a wikibreak. Time is a great healer. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 09:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== One ''million'' dollars (with little finger held out) ==

By my calculations, 1000 cc of 99.9% platinum at today’s price of $1742.50 per troy ounce is worth $1,199,600. So, two questions: 1) Why would you be making 1 cm cubes to 5 µm accuracy? And, 2) why so many? [[User:Greg L|Greg L]] ([[User talk:Greg L|talk]]) 01:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
: I made them for the millennium, when there were fears the banking system would collapse (which it almost did a couple of years ago too). Platinum is the densest common element, and the only one which can be made into cubes like this. So if you want to verify their content, all you need to do is measure them and weight them. Compare this with gold bars, say, where you have to trust a hallmark, when you've no idea what a real hallmark looks like. See, for example, [http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2008-03/how-make-convincing-fake-gold-bars How to make convincing fake gold bars]. So My cubes could have been either used as money directly, or used as backing for a new (temporary?) paper money issued by me. This may sounds far-fetched, but it would work nevertheless as platinum is platinum is platinum, and everyone can look up its density and its value. It's unlikely to be repeated in the short term as very few people in the world can manufacture cubes like this, and the guy who did won't do it again because he did it as a favour and it took several years longer to do than he expected. Also, the cubes make a great (and unique) executive toy  :-) [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 06:00, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

:* Yeah, I figured out the mechanics of making fake gold bars a long time ago. Fortunately, I suppose, I was never so desperate (nor rich enough to afford sufficient gold to form even a 2&nbsp;mm cladding) to expose myself to the temptation. For me, it would have been being a “financial hacker”: Could I fake out a bank. In the end, I am convinced there is no easy solution around x-rays. Cobalt-60 can blast through just about ''anything''. However, the really powerful systems are non-portable, so the gold would have to go to the Cobalt-60-based x-ray machine.<p>As for the millennium, I worried not one twit. If there is a collapse of any sort, I expect it will be a viral pandemic; something as virulent as Ebola and as infectious as influenza. Were that to happen, everyone will just stay home—even first responders. Isolated people like farmers could continue to work but with transportation and distribution shut down; fuel, seed, and fertilizers wouldn’t get in; and product wouldn’t get out. Transportation by freight trains (another activity that requires little human contact) might continue by dedicated employees, but local distribution and retailing of food would stop. In circumstances like these, platinum becomes a way to transfer wealth from one individual to another, but does nothing to fix the problem at hand (severe hunger) unless you know someone who A) has a prodigious supply of a wide variety of foods, B) is a long-term thinker, and C) isn’t located very far away. Having gone on really long canoe trips to really remote regions, I can tell you that there can be times when people will bafflingly eschew one cc of platinum in favor of twelve rolls of butt-wipe and a bag of beef jerky. [[User:Greg L|Greg L]] ([[User talk:Greg L|talk]]) 16:02, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

::* Yes - I have a water butt and excess fat reserves. But I hope the airlines have insurance against another pandemic, because they come round a lot more often than Icelandic volcanoes. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 17:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

:::* The mother of all pandemics to date was the [http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol12no01/05-0979.htm 1918 influenza outbreak.] One-third of the planet’s population caught it. It had a mortality rate of greater than 2.5 percent. Yet life went on in cities like New York as policemen wearing surgical masks directed traffic and ambulances raced through the streets with the seriously ill. Such a low mortality rate and a feeling that “If I’m strong, I’ll pull through” lead people to just deal with it and take their chances. Hemorrhagic fevers like Ebola have an exceedingly high mortality rate and are surprisingly infectious. Yet, they nevertheless fail to spread widely because the incubation time is short and people in the effected areas of Africa travel on foot, which limits the size of outbreaks; people tend to fall victim and die in small, village-size clusters. Jet travel will be the selective, artificial pressure that enables some, future, “winning” virus to win the evolution contest. If the next pandemic has a mortality rate of—I figure—20% or more, things will be a total mess. Now ''that'' is something to be prepared for. [[User:Greg L|Greg L]] ([[User talk:Greg L|talk]]) 22:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
::::*Hey -- what about the "Jews poisoning the wells" myth (because they washed their hands) [[Black Plague]]?  Est. 75 million deaths, 30% to 60% of Europe's population, may have reduced the world's population from an estimated 450 million to between 350 and 375 million.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 01:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

:::::*Or even the [[Toba_catastrophe_theory]]. Hard to blame that on anyone! [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 09:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

==Re [[user:Kotniski/Neu]]==
Sorry to remove your text - I agree that consensus/editing policy needs tidying up and unifying too, but I'd rather keep that separate from this proposal, which is intended to concern a reform of content policy (i.e. NPOV/V/NOR). The points  you added have more to do with [[WP:Consensus]] and [[WP:Editing policy]] (which admittedly suffer from the same problems that the content policies do).--[[User:Kotniski|Kotniski]] ([[User talk:Kotniski|talk]]) 14:56, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

: Hi - you are right of course. I'll put the consensus bit somewhere else. It just seems to crop up over and over again. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 15:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks for your comments over at the Pump, BTW. For some reason, no one is clamouring for extremely long policy pages. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 15:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::apropos your VPP thread, I just want to say that your citation to http://stats.grok.se/en/201002/WP%3ANPOV has totally blown my mind.  I am so glad you're raising this issue about over-lengthy, unreadable policy pages.  I've devoted many hours to improving these pages, only to see my efforts reverted.  [[user:Agradman]] editing as [[Special:Contributions/160.39.221.164|160.39.221.164]] ([[User talk:160.39.221.164|talk]]) 07:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
*Wait -- Compare [http://stats.grok.se/en/200908/WP%3ANPOV hits to WP:NPOV] versus [http://stats.grok.se/en/200908/Wikipedia%3ANeutral%20point%20of%20view hits to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view].  (I'm sorry to undermine your statistic, but I think we're ALL grateful to know it's wrong :)
*Anyhow.  This doesn't undermine your argument at the VPP post, but I suppose it would be nice if you issued a correction.  [[user:Agradman]] editing as [[Special:Contributions/160.39.221.164|160.39.221.164]] ([[User talk:160.39.221.164|talk]]) 08:03, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
*: Thanks for pointing this out. I'll correct it now. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 08:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

==sorry to bother you again but I was wondering if you could give me some advice about an article==
a little while ago I asked for help at the wikipedia noticeboard in fixing/removing the news release template from the article [[Red Back Mining]].  since then another template has been placed on the article that is a bit similar.  It was done today, I left a message at the talk page for the user who put it there, asking him to help me bring the article up to standard/get the template removed, by letting me know the specific problems.  I've looked the article over and replaced a couple pieces of information and references.  the only problem someone might have with it is the data in the production section since a lot of it has to do with estimates and numbers that the company itself has come up with.  If you have some extra time could you help me figure out if any of the data is worth keeping based on the references provided.  It's a short article so it shouldn't be too difficult.[[User:Grmike|Grmike]] ([[User talk:Grmike|talk]]) 19:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)grmike
: OK. I'll have a look. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 19:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::great job with the editing.  for market value statistics I just pick a random day to find them on (on pages that discuss more than one company I try to make sure the data for all the companies was from the same day (because stock value/market value changes all the time) and justify that inclusion by including the accessdate.  in some cases the companies have their market value from a certain day permanently listed in an article (one reason the forbes ranking of the world's top 2000 companies, is so popular among people looking for company data).  Do you think the information in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Back_Mining#Production production] section will get the article in trouble again ?  I think it contains data that people interested in learning about the company would want to know.[[User:Grmike|Grmike]] ([[User talk:Grmike|talk]]) 21:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)grmike
:::I was interrupted and haven't got that far. Forward looking statements are generally not very encyclopaedic, I would have thought. We should document what people have said about the past. When it's happened, and been reported, we can record it here. Sometimes we can report what people have said might happen, but I think in that case it is worth saying whose prediction it is - and generally I'd avoid direct company predictions. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 21:53, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== What constitutes consensus ==

You wrote "[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiquette_alerts&action=historysubmit&diff=360155779&oldid=360155659 I've noticed many civility problems start with an over-optimistic view of what constitutes a consensus]."

It's not always civility problems, but I agree that often a group think something will be noncontroversial and is surprised. I've seen this happen after RFCs with little or no objection have run their course. 

I don't know what the solution is. But somehow, it seems like more eyes need to see more proposals. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] ([[User talk:Maurreen|talk]]) 22:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

: Also a little more caution on what constitutes a consensus would help. For better or worse, people treat policy text with an almost religious fervour, and take it as sacrilege if it is modified without their knowledge or permission. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 05:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Informatica ==

Informatica is committed to posting ideas to the talk page of the stub.  We will continue to be open and transparent in our participation on Wikipedia.  If any inaccuracies appear on the page, we will contact the Wikipedia admin.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Walery|Walery]] ([[User talk:Walery|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Walery|contribs]]) 17:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: Thanks. I'll have a look later... [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 18:12, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
: The old article was deleted. Have you had a chance to read the discussion and rationale for this decision? [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 18:14, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I saw the discussion, including your comment that you would be willing to create a stub.  If you feel it is appropriate, I can provide information that might make it less time consuming for you to create the stub.  Going forward I can offer additions to the stub, via the talk page, if this is the best approach. --[[User:Walery|Walery]] ([[User talk:Walery|talk]]) 21:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
: It is usually best to wait a while after a deletion, though this seems unnecessary in this case given the comments of the closing admin at the deletion debate. One of the most important points is to have reliable secondary sources for any material in the article, as Wikipedia is a tertiary source. So we need (in general) independent newspaper reports on your company. I can make exceptions on some neutral areas if you are quoted and have made regulatory filings. Claims about how you are the best etc need to be filtered through a critical third party - ie raw regurgitation of press releases are not appropriate, and sell side analysts are also suspect. The article should not show any point of view for or against the company, though it can report a representative range of what other people have said in reliable sources. Is [http://www.informatica.com/Pages/index.aspx this] your company? And are you NASDAQ listed under ticker INFA? If so, I can start looking for some independent reports. Things in Wikipedia can take some time to unfold, and so the information in the article should not be time-sensitive or news related - unless the news will still be interesting a few years from now. The sort of things which you could provide which would be less prone to introducing bias are third party comparisons of companies in your area (which mention you). [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 22:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Stephen,

Per your request I wanted to share a handful of industry analyst reports as well as media coverage from the past year about Informatica.  Specifically in the three analyst reports from Gartner and Forrester, you will see these analysts opinions about how Informatica stacks up against our competitors.

'''Industry Analyst Reports'''

Gartner Magic Quadrant for Data Quality 2009
http://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/reprints/dataflux/167657.html

Gartner Magic Quadrant for Data Integration 2009
http://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/reprints/informatica/volume4/article2/article2.html

May 12, 2010 
Enterprise ETL: Evolving And Indispensible To Your Data Management Strategy
http://www.forrester.com/rb/Research/enterprise_etl_evolving_and_indispensible_to_data/q/id/56804/t/2?src=Alert%20RSS_CustomFeed&cm_mmc=Research_Alert-_-email-_-05_13_10-_-56804


'''Media Coverage - Videos'''

Bloomberg News - Focusing on Informatica, Sohaib Abbasi
December 11, 2009 
http://www.executiveinterviews.net/players/mini/default.asp?order=U13044
 
The Street.com Video: Informatica CEO Talks Partnerships, Cloud Computing
September 17, 2009
http://www.thestreet.com/video/10600015/informatica-ceo-talks-partnerships-cloud-computing.html#40724398001 

Forbes Video - CEO Insights: Informatica
Sept. 16, 2009
http://video.forbes.com/fvn/ceo-insight/ceo-insights-informatica


'''Media Coverage - Articles''' 

Informatica’s Software Glue Sells in the Recession
By Ashlee Vance, New York Times
August 24, 2009
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/informaticas-software-glue-sells-in-the-recession/?src=twt&twt=nytimestech

Informatica Upbeat In A Down Economy 
By J. Bonasia, Investor’s Business Daily
July 27, 2009 
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=483398&Ntt=Sohaib+Abbasi

Introducing The MDM Market’s Newest 800lb Gorilla: Informatica Acquires Siperian!
http://blogs.forrester.com/business_process/2010/01/introducing-the-mdm-markets-newest-800lb-gorilla-informatica-acquires-siperian.html

Global CIO: Informatica Joins Ranks Of Elite Enterprise Software Companies
http://www.informationweek.com/news/global-cio/interviews/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220900260

Industry Chatter: Ramesh Menon of Informatica
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/index.php?nid=17&sid=1914800

Informatica Ups the MDM Stakes
http://tdwi.org/Articles/2010/02/24/Informatica-Ups-MDM-Stakes.aspx?Page=1

Informatica Executive Has Head In Clouds
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=515079&Ntt=tony+young

The Sky is Bright for Informatica in Cloud Computing
http://www.ventanaresearch.com/blog/commentblog.aspx?id=3598

The Sweet Spot: Sandblasting the sales pipeline
http://zoominfoblogger.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/the-sweet-spot-sandblasting-the-sales-pipeline/

--[[User:Walery|Walery]] ([[User talk:Walery|talk]]) 22:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== [[WP:NPOV]] ==

You seem to have dropped out of discussions here.  But I have placed a proposed alternative to one section of the policy [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Neutral_point_of_view#Proposed_alternative_to_.22Explaining_the_Neutral_Point_of_View here] - there have been some constructive suggestions by a couple of other editors and since posting it I have made some alterations to it in response to those comments.  I hope you will have time to review the proposal and, if you think it is a step in the right direction, see if you can suggest any improvements - or of course if you don't like it register your view. [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]   |  [[User talk:Slrubenstein|Talk]] 17:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you. I'll have a look tonight after the children are asleep. I've been slightly preoccupied with the election here in the UK, but do think the NPOV policy is worth the attention it is receiving, particularly from experienced and inciteful editors such as yourself; I am happy to contribute to the debate. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 18:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I have been following the political situation albeit not very closely.  It sounds like we are in for major budget cuts this coming fiscal year.  We live in interesting times.

I appreciate your returning to the discussion when you have time.  We just need more reasonable voices. [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]   |  [[User talk:Slrubenstein|Talk]] 20:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

: I just caught up - before clicking on reload page ;-) When I actually catch up I'll edit my notes and add them at the end. Don't all go away ;-) [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 20:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

:: Put down some ideas. Not always in agreement with you, but not strongly disagreeing either as pragmatic implementation of policy is important. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 22:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


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== Slovaks in Hungary ==

I'm looking for feedback (good or bad) on my actions in this case.  I'd appreciated your comments [[User:Dpmuk/Slovaks in Hungary discussion|here]]. [[User:Dpmuk|Dpmuk]] ([[User talk:Dpmuk|talk]]) 15:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
: I've put up a couple of comments there. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 16:24, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

==Survey==

Hi Stephen,

I am a PhD student at the [[Universitat_Oberta_de_Catalunya|Open University of Catalonia]].  I am currently preparing a research project about the governance processes in online collaborative communities, and I would like to kindly ask for your collaboration based on your experience in Wikipedia. Interested in participating? Please drop me a note in my talk page. This would take around 20 of your time.

Thanks!
[[User:Aresj|Aresj]] ([[User talk:Aresj|talk]]) 09:48, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

: I've emailed you some answers. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 13:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:: Great, I saw it. Thank you very much for your help! [[User:Aresj|Aresj]] ([[User talk:Aresj|talk]]) 18:17, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== RfAr ==

Since you have been involved in discussion on [[Race and intelligence]], please note this request [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Race and intelligence]]. Thanks, [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 07:15, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 07:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

==RFAR Race and intelligence==

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==I <math>\exists</math>==
And coincidentally I am just about to edit [[Blood vomiting game]] which I was wondering if Charles was familiar with. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC).

:I am. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] ([[User talk:Charles Matthews|talk]]) 20:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

:: Interesting read. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 06:10, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

==Meetup aftermath==

Photos were mentioned. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] ([[User talk:Charles Matthews|talk]]) 20:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
: Well, I hit the upload button only to find I had messages - this being the second new section! I'm putting them on en.wp initially as they relate to this. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 22:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:: OK - uploaded now.
PS Before anyone asked, I've calibrated the focus on the lens now ;-) [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 23:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks: they are all on [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Cambridge 7]]‎ now. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] ([[User talk:Charles Matthews|talk]]) 21:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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: I'm happy to have this feature and also to be a tester of it. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 18:28, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

==Cambridge Meetup 8==

24 July, [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Cambridge 8]]. You would be most welcome. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] ([[User talk:Charles Matthews|talk]]) 14:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

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== Potential WikiProject RISC OS ==

[[Talk:RISC_OS#Potential_WikiProject_RISC_OS_.28WikiProject_Computing_-_Acorn.2FRISC_OS_task_force.29|WikiProject RISC OS]] is a new proposal, which has been publicised on [http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.acorn.misc/browse_thread/thread/abafae0cc8488861 c.s.a.misc]. Coincidentally, there's also a current proposal regarding  [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computing#Restarting_the_computing_collaboration|Restarting the computing collaboration]]. I note that you've previously made a few Acorn/RISC OS edits (including [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Graphical_user_interface&oldid=104442257#Operating_Systems_with_GUI adding RISC&nbsp;OS to ''Graphical user interface''], the [[Graphical_user_interface#History|current version of which makes no reference to RISC&nbsp;OS]]!) I also understand that you [http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.acorn.announce/browse_thread/thread/d56dbaf93e98b543 plan to be talking at ROUGOL next month] and that you [[User:Stephen_B_Streater#Hobbies|"hope to become an Administrator"]] on Wikipedia. Therefore, if you feel you could support WikiProject RISC&nbsp;OS in any way, it'd be greatly appreciated. I'd be interested if you could please share your thoughts on this. Thanks very much for your time. --[[User:Trevj|trevj]] ([[User talk:Trevj|talk]]) 07:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
: Hi! My life is a bit full right now. I'll keep an eye out for this in the mean time. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 10:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
:: OK. Article editing is time consuming. But when articles have been further refined and (if?) the project coalesces, I think it'd still be useful if you, as a long established Wikipedian, could find a bit of time to contribute a few comments on the project as a whole. Thanks. --[[User:Trevj|trevj]] ([[User talk:Trevj|talk]]) 12:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Hi again. I expect there'll be a WikiProject stand at the [http://riscoslondonshow.co.uk/ 2012 RISC OS London Show] on Sat 27 Oct. As at previous shows, I intend to enthuse people into contributing to the project. If ever you think you may be able to schedule a brief appearance to say a few words, that'd be marvellous. If this is impossible, I'll completely understand but thought you may be interested in noting it, just in case. Cheers. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">-- [[User:Trevj#top|Trevj]]</span> ([[User talk:Trevj#top|talk]]) 14:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Hi! Thanks for letting me know. I"ll be along if I can, but that's going to be a busy time for me this year! I'll let you know if I can come a bit nearer the time. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 15:41, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the reply. Fair enough. I'll let you know the details then. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">-- [[User:Trevj#top|Trevj]]</span> ([[User talk:Trevj#top|talk]]) 15:51, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Podcasting]] ==

Hey, I was just looking over the list of members on the Podcasting group and wanted to see if you were still active in the project. If so, it looks like the project could use a little jump-start. In particular, I think notability requirements and assessment guidelines could be added/updated. Please check out the page if you're still interested and move your name to the 2011 active list. Thanks! [[User:Udeezy|Udeezy]] ([[User talk:Udeezy|talk]]) 23:15, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
: Thanks. I'm not that active here at the moment, as there are too many exciting things going on elsewhere - for example the imminent launch of the frame accurate [[Clesh]] Cloud video editing service as an app for Android tablets. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 19:53, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Moon with 300mm lens and x2 extender image ==

I was looking at your image [[:File:Moon with 300mm lens and x2 extender.jpg]]. Your image appears a little soft. I noticed that you were at f/5.6. I've had more success a few stops higher. You may wish to experiment with a range of f-numbers next time the moon is out. [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] ([[User talk:Jason Quinn|talk]]) 13:49, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

:Also wanted to mention that using mirror lock-up and the 10-second trigger delay can make a HUGE difference in a moon shot too. You probably already know this but I just wanted to mention it for completeness. I'd be interested in seeing a new shot if anything of the above ideas weren't used. Cheers, [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] ([[User talk:Jason Quinn|talk]]) 03:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

:: Thanks. This x2 extender is notoriously soft, but a bigger F stop could help fix that. Next time it's not cloudy, I'll have another go. I have a tripod, so the 10s should work. There is a new 400mm and x2 extender, which are much sharper (and much more pricey!). [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 15:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

== David Harding ==

Hello, Mr. Streater. I don't know if you're around at the moment, but I wanted to bring your attention to an article I'd like to expand, which you originally created: [[David Harding (mathematician)]]. I've researched and written a more complete version of it, which is available [[User:WWB_Too/David_Harding_(finance)|in my user space]]. I've also posted a longer explanation on [[Talk:David_Harding_(mathematician)#Proposed_article_expansion|the article's Talk page]]. The reason I haven't [[WP:BOLD|boldly]] replaced it yet is because I've actually been engaged by Winton Capital to improve the article's for David Harding and [[Winton Capital Management]], the latter I completed recently [[Talk:Winton_Capital_Management#Proposed_article_expansion|with an unconflicted editor's help]]. I'm quite sure that my proposal is an improvement, but I'd like to seek consensus before the edit, if at all possible. If you happen to see this in the next few days and have a moment to look at my suggested changes, I'd appreciate it. Cheers, [[User:WWB Too|WWB Too]] ([[User talk:WWB Too|talk]]) 19:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

: I'm around in principle - just very busy! The earliest I can give it any time is the weekend after next. Make sure all your information is properly referenced; you're not supposed to make the edits yourself if you have a COI. Slow but sure is supposed to be the way here. [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] ([[User talk:Stephen B Streater#top|talk]]) 08:48, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

::Hi Stephen, that sounds fine. Worth noting, I'd previously also asked the editor who had helped before ([[User:Cmprince]]) to review the article. Cmprince seems to have been busy this week as well, but it's possible he (I presume) will take it up before then.

::One note about [[WP:COI|COI]], the guideline states "any changes that might be seen as controversial or not strictly neutral should be first suggested on the relevant talk page or noticeboard"; while I don't think anything about my proposed changes are controversial (and yes, it's all carefully referenced) I take anything to Talk that isn't clearly described by the "[[Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Non-controversial_edits|Non-controversial edits]]" clause. So that's my goal here. Given consensus, though, I've always understood direct edits to be OK. 

::Anyway, I'm in no particular rush, and I presume someone will get to it sooner or later. Thanks for your attention, [[User:WWB Too|WWB Too]] ([[User talk:WWB Too|talk]]) 17:20, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

:::I actually went ahead and added a <nowiki>{{request edit}}</nowiki> template on my Harding note, just in case that may bring in a reviewing editor, so, just a heads up. Cheers, [[User:WWB Too|WWB Too]] ([[User talk:WWB Too|talk]]) 20:24, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

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