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== March 2013 ==
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== [[:Louis Joseph Posner]] ==

Hello {{BASEPAGENAME}}, 

It seems to me that an article you worked on, [[:Louis Joseph Posner]], may be copied from http://maps.thefullwiki.org/Louis_J._Posner. It's entirely possible that I made a mistake, but I wanted to let you know because Wikipedia is strict about [[Wikipedia:Copy-paste|copying from other sites]]. 

It's important that you [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title={{urlencode:Louis Joseph Posner}}&action=edit edit the article] and rewrite it in your own words, unless you're absolutely certain nothing in it is copied. If you're not sure how to fix the problem or have any questions, there are people at [[WP:help desk|the help desk]] who are happy to assist you.

Thank you for helping build a free encyclopedia! [[User:MadmanBot|MadmanBot]] ([[User talk:MadmanBot|talk]]) 16:12, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
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OK, thank you for reminder.what'sup 12:58, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

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:In respect to your note [[Talk:Louis_Joseph_Posner|here]] that "Outside articles have been used as a guide, but am in the process of rewriting the article so there is no copyright violation", our policies do not permit you to even temporarily paste content onto Wikipedia that you have copied from elsewhere. If you need to use copyrighted material as a base, you must do so elsewhere and rewrite thoroughly consistent with our policies before placing content here. However, it is not advisable to use copyrighted content as a base, as you did, as it can be very difficult to rewrite thoroughly enough to create a new version. The rewrite you produced would be completely unacceptable by our local policies if not for the fact that the material originated on Wikipedia anyway. A bot comparison of the external page and your final product shows substantial overlap remains: [http://toolserver.org/~dcoetzee/duplicationdetector/compare.php?url1=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.thefullwiki.org%2FLouis_J._Posner&url2=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DLouis_Joseph_Posner%26oldid%3D547196632&minwords=2&minchars=13]. [[Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing]] includes some tips for writing from scratch that will help you create a document in keeping with our policies.

:I have resurrected the earlier versions of this article so that there is not a copyright issue with this one, but will notify the administrator and tagger who originally deleted the content so that they can evaluate if their concerns remain. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:31, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


==Promotionalism==
This article was listed by another editor for speedy deletion as being exclusively promotional. As reviewing administrator,  I agreed it was highly promotional, but I thought it would be possible to remove the promotional material, and I did so instead of deleting it. Do not restore it. Do not duplicate content with the article on his organization. Do not include lists of other more famous ppeople who attended events he appeared at or that he sponsored.  Do not include material about the events on speaking tours he helped promote--I removed that entire section, as it  seemed the purpose was advocacy of his ideas. That sort of advocacy is regarded here as promotionalism also. 

this is an encyclopedia, not an instrument for social change, except to the extend that a reasonably reliable neutral point of view free encyclopedia can serve as one. For it to do so, requires maintaining this NPOV. That  many of us might agree very strongly with what he has promoted is not relevant.  

The promotionalism was so rampant, that I consider it necessary to give a formal warning, which follows.  '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 17:44, 1 April 2013 (UTC)  
In particular, his

Noted   what'sup 04:38, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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Noted  what'sup 04:37, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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== December 2013 ==
[[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history at [[:Louis Joseph Posner]] shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]. '''Being involved in an edit war can result in your being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''&mdash;especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period.  Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert.  Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;'''even if you don't violate the three-revert rule'''&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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This is not an edit War.  The reasons for editing have been given, and are based on sound reasons.what'sup 21:03, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Further, the additional items set forth in the Article under Career were made in accordance with the request that there be more secondary citations. what'sup 21:05, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

:It is an edit war no matter how warranted you may consider your edits to be.  Please stop larding the article with collateral material about the subject.  And stop reverting other editors' changes.  Thanks.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 20:40, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

== Louis Posner ==

You need to slow down a bit.  The subject is already on the fringes of notability.  Adding material about his unspecified role in "important cases" and adding photos does not help the case but in fact by being such obvious makeweights, makes it worse.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 20:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
::::As you stated, the "subject is already on the fringes of notability." I have thus nominated the article for speedy deletion. [[User:What88]] 09:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)  

:Your comments are noted. However, just trying to improve the Article, as would be the case in trying to show notability.  
There is additional material to add, but will hold off for now.what'sup 20:45, 23 December 2013 (UTC)what'sup 20:55, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

::Thank you for your patience.  As you are looking about for sources, please don't focus on places where he's just mentioned (e.g. a routinely reported legal decision) or standing next to someone famous.  Focus on articles or other things that disinterested parties have written about him.  ''That'' is what establishes notability.  Thanks.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 20:47, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Noted; what'sup 20:55, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
:Please don't remove those NY Post articles.  The NY Post is a [[WP:Reliable|reliable]] source, and the links to those articles can be directly linked, unlike several of the other references in the article.  It may be that they portray Posner in a less-than-favorable light but that is the downside of being the subject of a Wikipedia article.  Reliably-sourced, well-covered content is included whether it's flattering or not.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 17:10, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
::I'm not suggesting that you are Posner or that this is an autobiography, but this page - [[Wikipedia:An_article_about_yourself_is_nothing_to_be_proud_of]] - is still helpful in understanding how, and why, an article about someone can't be kept free of negative - along with positive - information.  I hope it's helpful.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 17:27, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
::I have no objection to the inclusion of both positive and negative information in an article about a living person, as long as it is not libelous. I am just simply trying to give a full and neutral portrayal of the arrest and criminal conviction.[[what88]] 18:14, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
::The New York Post articles are duplicative of articles already referenced, including articles from the NY Times, ABA Journal, etc.  The NY Post is known for sensationalism and yellow journalism, and should not be included unless needed.[[what88]] 17:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
:The NYT article described only the charges.  The ABA article focused on the disbarment.  The NY Post articles described the charges against Posner, the plea agreement, the sentencing, the terms of probation, and the dismissal of the charges against his wife.  They covered the matter in substantially more detail and as such are appropriate to the article.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 17:46, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
::I've just removed the link you supplied to Posner's brief at the AD.  It's not a reliable source but a statement of his position and, unless it's there as support for his *asserting* that position, is not appropriate.  I would leave it out, just as I would leave out the NYPD brief.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 17:48, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
The Article cited concerning the seized funds was largely the position of the NYPD during litigation.  The Brief was filed in the Appellate Division of New York State and the 5 Judges of the Appellate Division unanimously affirmed the position of Posner in their published Decision.[[what88]] 17:53, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
:The article is a reliable source and merely reported the NYPD position (along with a quote from Posner's attorney).  It became necessary to add it once you had added the decision about the seized funds, which had not been previously mentioned.  The Appellate Division's decision is the last word on the subject and refutes the NYPD position, in favor of Posner's.  Again Posner's brief is not a reliable source and has no place in the article.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 17:56, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
::You need to 1) stop removing reliable sources and 2) stop adding non-reliable ones like briefs submitted by the subject of the article or ''press releases'' issued by his accountant.  These are the antithesis of reliable, independent sources.  Please go read [[WP:Sources]] before you add anything else.  I am concerned that you do not understand what is proper and what isn't.  Thanks.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 18:17, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
:::: I read read [[WP:Sources]] and the legal brief is not "self-published work" like a blog.  The 65 page Brief is a legal document filed by attorney Jonathan S. Gould and used by the Appellate Division of the State of New York in their unanimous 5-Judge Decision.  I also take exception to the NY Post being considered a "mainstream" newspaper.[[what88]] 18:32, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::A court brief is an argument, created by a legal professional on the sole behalf and in the sole interest of a client.  It is for all sourcing purposes the same as a document prepared by the person himself.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 19:17, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
::::::A legal document prepared by an attorney and submitted to Judges of a Court is subject to strict legal ethical requirements, and is NOT the same as a pro se document.[[what88]] 20:03, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Well, pretty much those strict ethical requirements require the lawyer not to lie or to advance a position he knows is not based in fact.  A brief on behalf of a client is about as far as you can possibly get from a disinterested source.  [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 20:49, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I understand your position and acknowledge that Wikipedia views primary legal documents as not as reliable as independent secondary sources. However, in my view, a well written brief that is referenced directly to documentary evidence in the record and controlling law, is of greater significance than an article reported in a tabloid which has as its primary focus the sale if newspapers for monetary gain through sensationalism.[[User:What88]] 21:53, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

===[[Louis J. Posner]] - Cases===
Louis Joseph Posner was counsel for defendant Leonard Schaen in the U.S. [[Securities and Exchange Commission]] (SEC) [[insider trading]] case involving [[Motel 6]] in the U.S. District Court, S.D.N.Y.,<ref>SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION Washington, D.C. | LITIGATION RELEASE NO.17624 / July 22, 2002 | Motel 6 SEC Litigation</ref> and related class action suit..<ref>Redtail Leasing v. Thrasher (In re Motel 6 Sec. Litig.), 1997 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 3909, Fed. Sec. L. Rep. (CCH) P99454, RICO Bus. Disp. Guide P9255 (S.D.N.Y. Apr. 1, 1997)</ref> 
<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/1992/09/25/business/sec-sues-18-in-motel-6-insider-case.html]</ref>
<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/30/business/32-million-in-penalties-sought-in-motel-6-insider-trading-case.html]</ref>
<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/25/business/3-settle-with-sec-in-motel-6-stock-case.html?n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fF%2fFinances]</ref>
<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/08/business/sec-judgment-in-motel-6-case.html?n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fF%2fFinances]</ref>
<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/1992/09/25/business/sec-sues-18-in-motel-6-insider-case.html?n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fF%2fFinances]</ref>
<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/08/business/market-place-the-labyrinth-of-2-insider-cases.html?n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fF%2fFinances]</ref>
<ref>http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/05/business/insider-case-is-expanded.html?n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fF%2fFinances</ref>
<ref>[http://www.businessweek.com/stories/1992-08-09/the-system-was-perfect]</ref>
<ref>[http://articles.latimes.com/1992-09-25/business/fi-939_1_insider-trading]</ref>
<ref>[http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1995/Six-More-People-Charged-in-Motel-6-Insider-Trading-Case/id-6118aafcbffd48fe9d650c1f66849809]</ref>
<ref>[http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsgs.aspx?subjectid=27928&msgnum=3&batchsize=10&batchtype=Next]</ref>
<ref>In re MOTEL 6 SECURITIES LITIGATION, 93 CIV. 2183 (JFK), 1995 WL 245116, (U.S. District Court - SDNY April 26, 1995)</ref>
<ref>SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION v. THRASHER, et al., No. 92 Civ. 6987 (JFK) (1996 WL 204487)(U.S. Distr. Ct, SDNY April 25, 1996)</ref>
<ref>SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION v. THRASHER et al., In re MOTEL 6 SECURITIES LITIGATION, No. 92 CIV. 6987 (JFK), 93 CIV. 2183 (JFK), Sep. 6, 1996, 1996 WL 507319, (U.S. Distr. Ct, SDNY Sep. 6, 1996)</ref>  
<ref>In re MOTEL 6 SECURITIES LITIGATION, No. 93 CIV. 2183 (JFK), 1996 WL 509661 (U.S. Distr. Ct, SDNY Sept. 6, 1996).</ref> 
<ref>In re MOTEL 6 SECURITIES LITIGATION, No. 93 Civ. 2183 (JFK), 1996 WL 524343 (U.S. Distr. Ct, SDNY Sept. 16, 1996).</ref>
<ref>http://www.leagle.com/decision/2001388161FSupp2d227_1371</ref>
<ref>http://www.leagle.com/decision/2001443152FSupp2d291_1420</ref>
<ref>http://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2003/11/031128ccresponsetomotcompel.pdf</ref>
<ref>http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr15246.txt</ref> 
<ref>http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr15133.txt</ref> <ref>https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr15304.txt</ref> 
<ref>http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17624.htm</ref> <ref>http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr15476.txt</ref> 
<ref>http://books.google.com/books?id=CNRMAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA408&lpg=PA408&dq=Motel+6+insider+trading&source=bl&ots=DadLNkKQFa&sig=dqUJR4c4ygmZbs-bh1PRO9aPDQs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_QXJUquXBMnckQfT2YHYAw&ved=0CGgQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Motel%206%20insider%20trading&f=false</ref>

Posner also represented the plaintiff in Ox v. Union Central Life, a U.S. District Court case involving wrongful rescission of a [[disability insurance]] policy, which was reported in [[Westlaw]], [[LexisNexis|Lexis]], Mealey's Litigation Reporter and the American Disabilities Reporter.  <ref>Ox v. Union Cent. Life Ins. Co., 1995 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 15997, 5 Am. Disabilities Cas. (BNA) 24, 13 Am. Disabilities Dec. 232 (S.D.N.Y. October 27, 1995)</ref> 
<ref> Ox v. Union Cent. Life Ins. Co., No. 94 CIV. 4754(RWS), 1995 WL 296541, (S.D.N.Y. May 15, 1995). </ref>[[User:What88]] 11:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on [[:What88]], requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|criteria for speedy deletion]], by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:
*It is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. (See [[WP:CSD#A1|section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion]].) Wikipedia has standards for the minimum necessary information to be included in short articles; you can see these at [[Wikipedia:Stub#Essential information about stubs|Wikipedia:Stub]]. Also please note that articles must be on [[Wikipedia:Notability|notable]] subjects and should provide references to [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verify]] their content.
*It appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, ''etc.''), individual animal, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. (See [[WP:CSD#A7|section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion]].) Such articles may be deleted at any time. Please [[Wikipedia:Notability|see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable]]. 

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may '''contest the nomination''' by [[:What88|visiting the page]] and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with [[Wikipedia:List of policies|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]]. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request [[WP:RFUD|here]].  [[User:☼|Dark Sun]] ([[User talk:☼|talk]]) 21:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

==Repost of [[:John Vincent Saykanic]]==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] A tag has been placed on {{#if:John Vincent Saykanic|[[:John Vincent Saykanic]]|a page you created}} requesting that it be [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedily deleted]] from Wikipedia, because it appears to be a [[WP:CSD#G4|repost of material that was previously deleted]] following a [[Wikipedia:Deletion discussions|deletion process]]. If you can indicate how it is different from the previously posted material, contest the deletion by clicking on the button that looks like this: [[File:Speedy delete contest button.svg|250px|link=<!-- leave this blank -->]] which appears inside of the speedy deletion (<code><nowiki>{{db-...}}</nowiki></code>) tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit '''[[{{TALKPAGENAME:John Vincent Saykanic}}|the page's discussion directly]]''' to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for ''speedy'' deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. If you believe the original discussion was unjustified, please contact the administrator who deleted the page or use [[WP:Deletion review|deletion review]] instead of recreating the page. Thank you.<!-- Template: Uw-repost --> [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 03:36, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

:This page should not be deleted because the subject, John Vincent Saykanic is a high profile criminal defense and appellate attorney, and has handled some interesting and high profile cases including:
Edward Forchion, “The New Jersey Weedman”, a marijuana and First Amendment activist
criminal defendant on appeal in the “Glen Ridge High School” rape case, which received national attention and spawned a book Our Guys by Bernard Lefkowitz
Organized Crime, including Joseph “Scoops” Licata, Philadelphia-Atlantic City Mob Boss Nicodemo “Little Nicky” Scarfo, and New Jersey Mob Capo Robert “Cabert” Bisaccia, and New Jersey Crime Boss Martin Taccetta.
The Article is supported by 10 independent references to reliable secondary sources.
A previous version was deleted in July 2010 because: "no significant coverage of the person by independent reliable sources" and "A lawyer doing what a lawyer does is not particularly notable. Given the edit history, this page hints of self-promotion."
John Saykanic, Esq. is also mentioned in the Wiki article about his client Ed Forchion, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Forchion What's Up (talk) 05:59, 26 December 2013 (UTC) This version has been on Wikipedia since March 2013 without any objections. The current version has significant coverage by independent reliable sources, there is no hint of self-promotion, and the lawyer is, in fact, notable.

:This is not circular reasoning, but rather solid reasoning based on fact and the quality of this Article.  There are over 4 Million articles in Wikipedia and the quality and content of this Article is better than many of these existing articles in Wikipedia.

:A lot of time was spent in writing this article in a neutral and noncommercial manner.  Criminal defense attorneys are the most sought after attorneys in the mind of the public, and this article adds to Wikipedia.[[User:What88]] 20:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

::I am disappointed, but not surprised, at how Wikipedia deleted a well written and informative article about a high profile attorney. SHAME ON YOU! [[User:What88]] 04:38, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion declined: [[:VoterMarch]] ==
Hello What88. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of [[:VoterMarch]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''"Not notable" isn't a valid reason for speedy deletion. I recommend you take this to [[WP:AFD]] if you still want this to be deleted, but beware that it may well be kept.'''  Thank you.  — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 11:50, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Your decline is noted.  However, there still exists the following:
{{notability|Companies|date=December 2013}}
{{cleanup|reason=Excessive reliance on self-published or non-reliable sources; excessive quotes from news articles; detail out of proportion to actual third party coverage|date=December 2013}}

However, the Wiki demand for notability and cleanup is not likely to occur for this Article.  Most of the activity occurred in 2000 and 2001.  A lot of the newspaper articles are no longer on the Internet. At that time there was a "media blackout" of activist events.  Much of what happened was unreported, and is only listed in blogs and other sources which Wikipedia views as not reliable.  If Wikipedia is only a collection of mainstream press articles, then Wikipedia is really just a summary of what somebody can just as readily get in a Google search.[[User:What88]] 21:46, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
:These are issues for discussion at AfD. This article does not meet [[WP:CSD]] criteria.[[User:Dlohcierekim| <span style="color:#00ff00;"> Dloh</span>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#bb00bb;">cierekim </span>]] 14:50, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

== [[Louis Joseph Posner]] ==

Once an article has been declined for speedy deletion, it is usually best to consider AfD or PROD. Tis article is eligible for neither [[WP:CSD#A7]] or [[WP:CSD#G7]]. Considering its history and the number of refs, [[WP:AFD]] would be the venue in which to seek deletion.[[User:Dlohcierekim| <span style="color:#00ff00;"> Dloh</span>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#bb00bb;">cierekim </span>]] 14:52, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
:Good Point. I see that the article has already been nominated under [[WP:AFD]] for deletion.[[User:What88]] 18:11, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

== Looking over your talk page ==

I think you need to refrain from tagging articles for deletion. There are many articles that need improvement. You might want to do more of that. Thanks[[User:Dlohcierekim| <span style="color:#00ff00;"> Dloh</span>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#bb00bb;">cierekim </span>]] 14:55, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
: Good point.  There are several articles that I have been planning on improving, but I have been sidetracked by this controversy over the Posner article.[[User:What88]] 18:13, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

== [[Louis Joseph Posner]] G4 ==

A link to a prior discussion would be required. I see no such discussion. I see a deletion for a page move.[[User:Dlohcierekim| <span style="color:#00ff00;"> Dloh</span>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#bb00bb;">cierekim </span>]] 15:33, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

The article was originally published by [[User:Lawline]] who was banned.  I am reviewing archives to see discussion.  Thank you.[[User:What88]] 15:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
:and it has been suggested that you are Lawline. T'would have been less wear and tear if you'd have just [[WP:AFD]]'d the thing. My opinion is subject is NN, so I went ahead and nominated it. My recommendation is that you get a glass or cup of your favorite beverage, put on your favorite music, and let the AfD  play out. Been doing this a long time, and NOTHING on Wikipedia is worth getting excited about or worth getting ulcers over. Cheers, [[User:Dlohcierekim| <span style="color:#00ff00;"> Dloh</span>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:#bb00bb;">cierekim </span>]] 16:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

:: I am not Lawline. I agree, the subject is NN. Thanks for the advice. I am not taking this personally; however, I believe that one has a heightened ethical responsibility in any biographical article involving a living person. [[User:What88]] 18:21, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

== Blocked ==

You have been blocked indefinitely for abusing multiple accounts per the findings of [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lawline]]. [[User:Mark Arsten|Mark Arsten]] ([[User talk:Mark Arsten|talk]]) 21:34, 27 December 2013 (UTC).

:I disagree with the findings and object to being blocked.  By blocking my access to Wikipedia, you are violating my Constitutional right to free speech and expression.  This is particularly abhorrent in the case of Wikipedia which espouses to be a People's encyclopedia.  Blocking should only be exercised for "hate speech" or other serious violations.

:It is now clear to me that Wikipedia operates like fiefdoms where anonymous editors and administrators on "power trips" seek to control users and their contributions.  I find it disgraceful that these anonymous editors who often know very little about the subject matter of an article believe that they have the right to chop up an article and change and delete whatever they don't like.  One example, is how [[User:JohnInDC]] removed a picture of Congresswoman [[Nancy Pelosi]] speaking at a [[VoterMarch]] event in San Francisco. 

:I am not impressed with the "gold stars" and the banners that the editors and administrators display.  I see right through the culture of Wikipedia that allows tyrants to run amok.

::I predict that Wikipedia will follow the course of [[www.MySpace.com]] which now has a global ranking of 828. See Alexa ranking at [[http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/myspace.com]] 
[[User:What88]] 03:54, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
== Nomination of [[:VoterMarch]] for deletion ==
<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article '''[[:VoterMarch]]''' is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VoterMarch ]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.<!-- Template:afd-notice --> —/[[User:Mendaliv|'''M'''<small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 12:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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{{unblock reviewed | 1=This User was blocked as a sock puppet of Lawline. However, Lawline should have never been blocked in the first place and Lawline which was blocked in 2011 should be unblocked. The real story about User:Lawline is that an Administrator was making edits to an article written by Lawline. The Administrator had no knowledge of the subject area but engaged in cyber bullying against Lawline to get her way. Lawline indicated that he disagreed with some of her edits. Lawline also advised the Administrator that some of her edits could be viewed as libelous under New York law. However, Lawline NEVER threatened to sue and always respected the rights of Wikipedia and the Administrator. The Administrator then turned things around and claimed that Lawline threatened to sue Wikipedia which was not the case. The Administrator did this as a ploy to block and ban Lawline so she could could get Lawline out of the way and edit the Article the way she wanted to. Following the banning of Lawline, every User that in any way was associated with or supportive of Lawline was blocked and banned as a "sock puppet" of Lawline. Included in the "sock puppet" list was User:LuckyDan89 who was a college student who had been a Wikipedia user for over 5 years, and who was banned for making one small edit on a Lawline article. This User has never abused any accounts, has never vandalized any articles, and intends to continue as a productive member of the Wikipedia Community. | decline = Identical request to other confirmed Lawline socks. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">雲</span>]]&zwj;[[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">水</span>]] 11:31, 13 January 2014 (UTC)}}