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=== September 17 ===
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==== Category:Animal video games ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 16:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Animal video games}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|'''Delete'''. Too broad of a category, and a form of overcategorization. [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] 00:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)}}}
::Um this category appears to be a lot less broad than [[:Category:Video games]], do you perhaps mean that the criteria for inclusion are too subjective?  [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 20:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:Animal-related video games]] for clarity. [[User:Lesnail|LeSnail]] 21:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
**'''Comment'''. To clarify: many video games feature animals, so it's too broad. People are a form of animal as well, so just about any game could be put in this category. [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] 22:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
***Let's have some common sense when arguing. I doubt anybody would be as stupid as to actually use that argument to categorise [[The Sims]] there (as opposed to [[The Sims 2: Pets]] and [[The Sims Pet Stories]]). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 02:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:Animal-themed simulation games]]. Poor choice of name. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 02:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not defining, those suggesting Animal-themed or Animal-related, how much themed or related must it be to be included and what RSes will tell us it's at least that much? It cannot be maintained as suggested, so it should just be deleted. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 17:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' as excessively broad and subjective. All of the current contents ought to be in [[:Category:Simulation video games]] if they aren't already, and [[:Category:Animal simulation video games]] would be too specific a subcategory. -[[User:Gtrmp|Sean Curtin]] 04:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': There is [[:Category:Biological simulation video games]]. --[[User:AVRS|AVRS]] 06:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

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==== Category:Media coverage ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''speedy delete''' per [[WP:CSD#General_criteria|WP:CSD G7]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 11:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:{{Lc|Media coverage}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|I created this category this morning, and have since replaced it with [[:Category:Media coverage and representation]], which I consider a better name because it more easily encompasses related articles like [[Media representation of Hugo Chávez]].  Request deletion of the earlier category because it now has a duplicate, redundant scope. [[User:Kurieeto|Kurieeto]] 21:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}
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==== Category:Ohio State University fraternities and sororities ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete, articles already merged into correct categories'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 16:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Ohio State University fraternities and sororities}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|This category seems to be very promotional, being only groups (and not even limited to just Greek organizations) founded at OSU. At least one is still at OSU only. Other 'groups of groups' started at a single school have their own page, if deemed notable, such as [[Miami Triad]]. This is not notable. &mdash;[[User:Scoutersig|Scouter]][[User talk:Scoutersig|Sig]] 21:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}
*<s>'''Delete''' per the other fraternity categories.</s> --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 22:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' into ''[[:Category:Fraternities and sororities]]'', many are on dozens of campuses. -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 22:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' into ''[[:Category:Fraternities and sororities]]'' per Prove It (changing my !vote). --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small>
:*All articles have now been categorized into either [[:Category:Fraternities and sororities]] or [[:Category:United States student societies]] where appropriate. (Good call ProveIt.) This category can now be deleted.&mdash;[[User:Scoutersig|Scouter]][[User talk:Scoutersig|Sig]] 18:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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==== Category:Afghan politicians ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''keep'''. – '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Afghan politicians]] to [[:Category:Politicians in Afghanistan]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|'''Rename''', There are many reasons for this renaming. One reason is that ''Afghan politicians'' can refer to Afghan politicians in lets say America, and there are several Afghan politicians serving other countries, for example [[Zalmay Khalilzad]]. ''Politicians in Afghanistan'' or ''Politicians of Afghanistan'' would avoid this issue. [[User:Beh-nam|Behnam]] 20:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Keep''' - [[:Category:Politicians by country]] is well settled on the "Fooian politicians" format as is [[:Category:Afghan people by occupation]]. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 21:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per Otto4711. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 22:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per BHG & Otto.  We mean '''Afghan''' as nationality only, not to imply anything about ethnicity. -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 03:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - As noted, this name is a settled matter -- in fact, it was affirmed in a recent CFD, in which User:Behnam was a dissenting participant. As for the suggested confusion, that's a non-issue, because, for example, Zalmay Khalilzad is not an "Afghan politician", he's an "Afghan-''American'' politician". [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] 13:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', as per standard scheme. --[[User:Soman|Soman]] 16:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Institutes of Management Technology ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 16:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Institutes of Management Technology}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|This category is too specific and narrow in scope. Only one article about a particular institute (Institute of Management Technology) is categorized under it. Apart from that, it serves no purpose, hence this nom. - <span style="font-family:Verdana;"><b>[[User:MaximvsDecimvs|Max]]</b> <sup> - [[User_talk:MaximvsDecimvs|You were saying?]]</sup></span> 20:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}

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==== Category:Poland under-21 international footballers ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 16:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Poland under-21 international footballers}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|Overcategorization.  Only one entry in the cat, and the same players appear in [[:Category:Polish footballers]]. [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] 16:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}

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==== Category:Marvin, the Paranoid Android songs ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 20:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Marvin, the Paranoid Android songs}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|'''Delete''' - nominated once previously and kept per ''Song by artist'' convention but the song articles have now all been merged, so the category is empty. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 15:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}
:Agree with nom rationale. '''Delete'''--[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] 16:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. I came to propose them and found it had already been done. <span style="border: 1px  #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#1111AA;font-size:small;">SilkTork</span>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Roman;color:#0ccccc;font-size:x-small;">SilkyTalk</span>]]</span> 21:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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====[[:Category:Australian albums by artist]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''merge into [[:Category:Australian albums]] and [[:Category:Albums by artist]]'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 15:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:{{lc|Australian albums by artist}}
* [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_8#Category:Pop_songs_by_artist]]
* [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_20#Category:Hip_hop_albums_by_artist]]
* [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_June_8#Category:Hip_hop_songs_by_artist]]
* [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_June_30#Category:Pop_songs_by_artist]]
* [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_July_6#Category:Country_songs_by_artist]]
* [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_July_9#Category:Avant-garde_jazz_albums_by_artist]]
* [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_July_9#Category:Jazz_albums_by_artist]]
:'''''Merge''' into [[:Category:Albums by artist]], which is designed to function as a '''directory'''.  Creating subcats for it defeats the entire point of its existence.  You shouldn't need to know the nationality or genre of '''Foo''' in order to find '''Foo albums'''.'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 14:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*ProveIt, there is a wealth of difference between genre and nationality. '''Merge''' into {{cl|Australian albums}}, as is surely standard practice for albums by artist nationality, given the other subcats of {{cl|Albums by artist nationality}}. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 23:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
**I hadn't noticed that the ''{{c|Australian albums}}'' category had been entirely depopulated.  Of course you're right, they should be restored. All of these categories should belong to '''both''' ''{{c|Australian albums}}'' and ''{{c|Albums by artist}}''.  -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 03:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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==== Category:Open source software ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''merge'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 15:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:'''Suggest merging''' [[:Category:Open source software]] to [[:Category:Free software]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|'''Merge''', This is a duplicate in terms of scope, and the beginning of a duplicate in terms of contents - as [[:Category:Open_source]] was.  It covers the exact same topic ([[free software]]), just using an [[alternative term for free software]].  [[:Category:Free software]] - whose description already mentions "open-source software" - includes thousands of articles, broken down into subcategories.  This category, if someone put effort into it, can at best only become a complete duplicate. [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] 13:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}

*'''Conditional merge'''
**Merge, if it's certain that non-free things like [[RAR (file format)|unrar]] (which prohibits the use of the source to recreate the compression algorithm) do NOT get into [[:Category:Free software]].
**Otherwise make [[:Category:Open source]] include [[:Category:Free software]], and not vice-versa, and move articles to where they belong.<br/>--[[User:AVRS|AVRS]] 14:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

:::It is certain that this merge would not cause unrar to get into [[:Category:Free software]].  Unrar is not free software and cannot be called free software (and it cannot be called "open-source software").  Unrar can only be called "viewable source" or "shared source", neither of which is part of the category to be merged or the merge target. --[[User:Gronky|Gronky]] 14:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

*'''Merge.''' I agree with gronky on unrar.  By many definitions of OS (including the one in the category description), it doesn't belong in the current cat anyway.  --[[User:Karnesky|Karnesky]] 14:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' -- Open Source software is not necessarily free (see Microsoft's [[Shared Source]] program), and free software is not necessarily open source.--[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] 16:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

::...but [[shared source]] is ''not'' open source, so it would never be in [[:Category:Free software]] or in [[:Category:Open source software]].  The only link between "shared source" and free software (or "open-source software") is two licences which [[FSFE]][http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/press-release/2005q4/000120.html] say are [[free software licences]], and which have now been submitted to OSI for approval, and under which Microsoft have released nothing worthy of a Wikipedia article. --[[User:Gronky|Gronky]] 19:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

*'''Merge.''' --[[User:Hamitr|Hamitr]] 22:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''': the "open source definition" was originally called the "Debian free software guidelines".  The two terms are effectively synonyms with slightly different emphasis.  Suggest making Cat:OSS into a cat redirect though, or it's likely to get recreated.  [[User:Xtifr|Xtifr]] <sub>[[User talk:Xtifr|tälk]]</sub> 06:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
*<s>'''Keep if I'm right'''</s> -- It seems to me that free software is a subset of open source. Maybe I'm thinking about [[shared source|source-available]]? Free is open but open is not necessarily free; OSI approved does not means FSF approved. So if I'm right, then [[:Category:Free software]] should be a sub-category of [[:Category:Open source software]]. Someone could correct me with a reference. [[Open-source software]] is confusing... -- <span style="text-decoration: none;">[[User:Kl4m|<span style="color:#696969;">Kl4m</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kl4m|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Kl4m|Contrib]]</sup></span> 06:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

::Neither is a subset of the other.  The [[alternative terms for free software]] article has info and references for this.  OSI and FSF have virtually identical definitions.  They have disagreed with each other three times about licences.  One time, FSF approved a licence that OSI rejected (an old Netscape licence), and two times it happened the other way around (an old Apple licence and an old RealNetworks licence).  Of these three licences, none are used for any projects that are active anyway.

::Like you mention, if "open-source software" meant "source available", then free software would be a subset, but that is not the case. --[[User:Gronky|Gronky]] 10:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:Make that a '''merge''' then. -- <span style="text-decoration: none;">[[User:Kl4m|<span style="color:#696969;">Kl4m</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kl4m|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Kl4m|Contrib]]</sup></span> 23:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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==== Category:Taiwanese religious figures ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''rename'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 15:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Taiwanese religious figures]] to [[:Category:Taiwanese religious leaders]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|'''Rename''', to match all sibling categories. [[User:Alex Middleton|Alex Middleton]] 12:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Rename''' per nom, to match the conventions of ''[[:Category:Religious leaders by nationality]]'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 13:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom & ProveIt [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 20:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

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====Category:Forteana====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''no consensus'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 15:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:'''Propose merge''' [[:Category:Forteana]] and [[:Category:Anomalous phenomena]] using the name [[:Category:Anomalous phenomena]]. Did Fort have to write about a topic to make it in the category? I had to look him up just to find out who he was. 
:'''Nominator's rationale:'''Shouldn't the category be [[:Category:Anomalous phenomena]] which is more encompassing? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] 05:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as is, they are two different things.--[[User:Buridan|Buridan]] 16:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' are there any sources defining ''[[Forteana]]'', which redirects to [[Charles Fort]], as a topic distinct from ''[[Anomalous phenomena]]''? '''[[User:Tewfik|<span style="color:#22AA00;">Tewfik</span>]]'''[[User Talk:Tewfik|<sup style="color:#888888;">Talk</sup>]] 06:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' as redundant and ambiguous. Afterwards, [[:Category:Charles Fort]] ought to be created, which would contain articles and categories directly related to Fort, such as the ''Fortean Times''. Reworking the category like so without changing the name would only serve as an open invitation to return to the current state of redundancy. -[[User:Gtrmp|Sean Curtin]] 04:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' {{cl|Forteana}} into {{cl|anomalous phenomena}}, redundant. Fort did not originate these topics, and the fact that he wrote about them is not a defining characteristic. His article would be the place to describe or list the topics he wrote about. As to whether or not we need a category to contain things specific to Charles Fort, am not sure there's enough to justify, so {{cl|Forteana}} could then just as easily be deleted. --[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<span style="color:#DAA520;"> <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA">ʘ</span> </span><small>''[[User talk:CJLL Wright|TALK]]''</small> 03:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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==== Category:That's It Production artists ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. – '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|Empty & unnecessary category, created as part of a larger [[WP:VAIN|vanity]] campaign. [[User:Eusebeus|Eusebeus]] 07:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}
:'''Delete''' per nom.--[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] 16:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. There's nothing there but empty vanity. <span style="border: 1px  #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#1111AA;font-size:small;">SilkTork</span>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Roman;color:#0ccccc;font-size:x-small;">SilkyTalk</span>]]</span> 21:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Independant Record Label ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. – '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:28, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|A misspelled irrelevancy. [[User:Eusebeus|Eusebeus]] 07:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}
:'''Delete''' empty cat per nom.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SarekOfVulcan|contribs]]) 16:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*'''Comment''' Note: The correct cat is at [[:Category:Independent record labels]]. [[User:Lugnuts|Lugnuts]] 17:53, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*Yes, '''delete''' as a mistake. <span style="border: 1px  #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#1111AA;font-size:small;">SilkTork</span>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Roman;color:#0ccccc;font-size:x-small;">SilkyTalk</span>]]</span> 21:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Home security ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete, empty'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 15:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|Redundant. Security principals are the same at business, home or elsewhere. Cat's history shows no activity since ''01:17, December 19, 2006 [[user:Danaman5]]  (created as subcategory of [[:Category:Security]])''  [[User:Exit2DOS2000|<span style="background-color:#ddcef2;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">Exit2DOS2000</span>]]<small><small><sup>•[[User Talk:Exit2DOS2000|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Exit2DOS2000|C]]•</sup></small></small> 07:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Comment'''. I think the intention might have been to group together Property security. There is no cat for that. Into Property security could go burglar alarms, car alarms, etc. Possibly rename this cat [[:Category:Property security]]? <span style="border: 1px  #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#1111AA;font-size:small;">SilkTork</span>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Roman;color:#0ccccc;font-size:x-small;">SilkyTalk</span>]]</span> 22:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' That's not a bad idea if someone is prepared to populate it; there are plenty of articles in the Security category, which is rather large. But that can be started from scratch any time. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 00:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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==== "Motor racing" categories ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''rename all'''. [[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 03:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Motor racing templates]] to [[:Category:Motorsport templates]]
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Motor racing infoboxes]] to [[:Category:Motorsport infoboxes]]
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Motor racing navigational boxes]] to [[:Category:Motorsport navigational boxes]]
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Motor racing venues]] to [[:Category:Motorsport venues]]
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Motor racing venues by country]] to [[:Category:Motorsport venues by country]]
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Motor racing venues in Australia]] .. [[:Category:Motor racing venues in Venezuela]] to [[:Category:Motorsport venues in Australia]] .. [[:Category:Motorsport venues in Venezuela]]
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Motor racing venues by series]] to [[:Category:Motorsport venues by series]]
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Motor racing by year]] to [[:Category:Motorsport by year]]
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:1950 in motor racing]] .. [[:Category:2007 in motor racing]] to [[:Category:1950 in motorsport]] .. [[:Category:2007 in motorsport]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Replace the term "motor racing" with "motorsport", which is more commonly used within Wikipedia, e.g. {{tl|Motorsport venue}}, {{tl|Motorsport formula}}, [[:Category:Motorsport in Australia]], [[Alfa Romeo in motorsport]], etc. [[User:DH85868993|DH85868993]] 02:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per naming used at [[WP:MOTOR|WikiProject Motorsport]]. "Motorsport" is the term that is most agreeable throughout the world. [[User:Royalbroil|<span style="color:#000000;">'''Royal'''</span><span style="color:#FFCC00;">'''broil'''</span>]] 04:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support''' for the same reason as Royalbroil above. It would also allow non-racing forms of motorsport (rallying, speed events, trials etc) to sit more happily within such categories. [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 12:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per WP:MOTOR ref above.--[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] 16:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - [[User:Davnel03|Davnel03]] 18:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename all''' per nom and Loganberry.  Note that there are motor sports that aren't even ''close'' to being racing, like [[Freestyle Motocross]].  [[User:Xtifr|Xtifr]] <sub>[[User talk:Xtifr|tälk]]</sub> 06:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''- sure, why not? [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] 14:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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==== Category:Regions of the Middle East ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 15:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|Redundant to [[:Category:Middle Eastern countries]]. All entries seem to be duplicated, so no need for merger. [[User:Picaroon|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon|(t)]] 01:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}}}

'''Keep''' Palestinian territories is not a Middle Eastern county. I think the category needs improvement.   <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:RS1900|RS1900]] ([[User talk:RS1900|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RS1900|contribs]]) 02:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*Possibly so, but Bahrein is not a region either. '''Delete''' [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 03:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*Well, yes, Bahrein is not a region. Some change should be made. [[User:RS1900|RS1900]] 05:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*I have made some changes. The category can be improved. [[User:RS1900|RS1900]] 05:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Note:All members except [[Palestinian territories]] now removed, I presume by RS1900. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 12:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC) 
*Well there isn't much point in categorizing one article with nothing else, so I still think it should be deleted. [[User:Picaroon|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon|(t)]] 19:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Absolutely - the Palestinean territories aren't really a region either. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 20:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge/rename''' to {{cl|Middle Eastern countries and territories}}. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 23:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' regions are ill-defined allowing for a huge mix that bear little in common. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 04:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
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