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=== August 12 ===
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==== Category:Place of birth missing (living people) ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:10, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Place of birth missing (living people)]] to [[:Category:Place of birth missing]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' I don't see why these are distinguished. Why is it important to separate these? ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. In the same manner as we distinguish those within [[:Category:Living people]] from those who are not, we devote specific attention to current biographies with the three categories — [[:Category:Year of birth missing (living people)]], [[:Category:Date of birth missing (living people)]] and [[:Category:Place of birth missing (living people)]] in order to clearly identify present-day individuals from those who belong to the ages — whether recent past or antiquity — thus enabling Wikipedians who wish to devote their time to researching such details, to have a clear distinction in their choice of focusing on the living or on the dead. There was '''no consensus''' when these three categories were initially nominated ten years ago. The arguments presented at those discussions may be consulted [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_July_17#Category:Date_of_birth_missing_.28living_people.29 here].[[User:Roman Spinner| &mdash;Roman Spinner]] <small>[[User talk:Roman Spinner|(talk)(contribs)]]</small> 02:43, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
**{{Ping|Roman Spinner}} How would my research on this topic be any different if a given person died yesterday than tomorrow? ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 03:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
***{{Ping|Koavf}} In the event that you or other Wikipedians may have privacy concerns as these relate to barely notable living subjects of Wikipedia articles and may wish to concentrate your area of research in that direction, the above three categories enable you to separate the living from the entire span of history previous to our lives. As those around us, whether old or young, depart, the categories defining them also change. As was pointed out in the discussion ten years ago, "'''''Upon the death of an individual, the change from [[:Category:Living people]] to [[:Category:2007 deaths]] is accompanied by the replacement of [[:Category:Date of birth missing (living people)]] with [[:Category:Date of birth missing]]. This nominated category is a subcategory solely of [[:Category:Date of birth missing]] and, despite their close relationship, is not a subcategory of [[:Category:Living people]]. Prior to the existence of this [[:Category:Date of birth missing (living people)]], editors grouped individuals from past centuries and even ancients from past millenia, all of whom clearly belonged in either [[:Category:Date of birth unknown]] (year indicated, but month and day historically unrecorded) or, in most cases, in [[:Category:Year of birth unknown]], used with people whose data has been lost to history. The "(living people)" addition thus provides a differentiation guide for editors who are creating entries for contemporaries'''''".[[User:Roman Spinner| &mdash;Roman Spinner]] <small>[[User talk:Roman Spinner|(talk)(contribs)]]</small> 05:13, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is for BLP articles. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 05:52, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Prehaps this is the wrong forum. As category talkpages get few hits, maybe close this and start a RfC to see if there's a chance of it being deleted or merged. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 09:28, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
:* This is the ''only'' forum for merging or deleting categories. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 20:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' often with living people we need to consider weather the issues of privacy and notability justify publicizing their place of birth. Once someone is dead, there is less of a privacy argument against publicizing their place of birth.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:Year of birth missing (living people) ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Feminist|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">f</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Feminist|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">e</span>]][[User talk:Feminist|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">minist</span>]] 15:55, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Year of birth missing (living people)]] to [[:Category:Year of birth missing]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' I don't see why these are distinguished. Why is it important to separate these? ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The reason is that for Living people often we do not want not have the year of birth online for data privacy. So we tnd more easily to jsut remove the category instead of adding the year of birth. On the other hand the Year of birth missing for dead people could be replaced by categories like 20th-century births or 1950s births. Still not many people do it but this is the correct procedure IMO. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Living people fall under [[WP:BLP]], so it makes sense to keep a separate tally of these articles. [[User:BD2412/deletion debates|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412/deletion debates|'''T''']] 23:52, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Magioladitis and bd2412.[[User:Roman Spinner| &mdash;Roman Spinner]] <small>[[User talk:Roman Spinner|(talk)(contribs)]]</small> 02:49, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''  This is for BLP articles. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 05:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Prehaps this is the wrong forum. As category talkpages get few hits, maybe close this and start a RfC to see if there's a chance of it being deleted or merged. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 09:28, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Many people are senstive about their age being revealed, and some have even sued to prevent it becoming public knowledge. Once they die these issues do not come up.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
* Question: while I understand the difference, I wonder whether we actually need this living people category. With living people, if they are in this category, there is not much we can do anyway, right? [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:19, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Given that these are tracking categories not article categories, and that both this and the parent category are huge, I don't see the problem with keeping them separate. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 19:06, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:Songs mastered by Shadab Rayeen ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Songs mastered by Shadab Rayeen}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Doesn't fit with existing cat scheme of artists/producers, and doesn't seem likely to attract any more members. —[[user:swpb|<u>swpb</u>]]<sup>[[user talk:swpb|''T'']]</sup> 16:26, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
:'''Creator's rationale:''' Shadab Rayeen is a mixing and mastering engineer, mixes and masters a major junk of [[Bollywood]] music after Eric Pillai, Category will is likely to attract many users in future <span style="text-shadow:#FFFF00 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">[[User:Anoptimistix|<span style="color:#008000;">'''Anoptimistix'''</span>]] [[User talk:Anoptimistix|<span style="color:#000CD0;">'''Let's Talk'''</span>]]</span> 02:01, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' There is no scheme for [[:Category:Song recordings by masterer]] and I don't think that's a defining characteristic. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:45, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' unclear that this is a defining category for the song in question.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:05, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:History of Roman Catholicism by country‎ ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''ℯ'''</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:History of Roman Catholicism by country‎]] to [[:Category:Category:History of Catholicism by country‎]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:History of Roman Catholicism in England]] to [[:Category:History of Catholicism in England‎]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:History of Roman Catholicism in Scotland]] to [[:Category:History of Catholicism in Scotland‎]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:History of Roman Catholicism in Greece‎]] to [[:Category:History of Catholicism in Greece‎]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:History of Roman Catholicism in Mexico]] to [[:Category:History of Catholicism in Mexico]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:History of Roman Catholicism in the United Kingdom]] to [[:Category:History of Catholicism in the United Kingdom]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:Consistency]] with the most entries listed in the category, as well as [[:Category:History of the Catholic Church]] (See also: [[Catholic Church]], [[:Category:Catholic Church]], [[Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia]], etc.). [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 11:18, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Procedural comments:''' I took the liberty to merge the six separate nominations. The categories still need to be tagged though. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:43, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:43, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support most''' but England, Scotland and UK should not be merged as Anglo-Catholicism exists separately from Roman Catholicism, but this need not affect the naming of parents.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:26, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. I think that the Anglo-Catholic tradition is adequately handled by [[:Category:History of the Church of England]]. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:47, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per the general decision that Roman Catholicism is too specific and going against the ideas of common name.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:06, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:Roman Catholic Church in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' as nominated. The suggested use of "Dutch Carribean" should be done in a batch nomination. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''ℯ'''</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

:::'''Note''': this was subsequently moved to [[:Category:Catholic Church in the Dutch Caribbean]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 13:42, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Roman Catholic Church in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands]] to [[:Category:Catholic Church in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:Consistency]] with the rest of the entries listed in [[:Category:Catholic Church by country]], as well as with [[Catholic Church]],[[:Category:Catholic Church]], [[Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia]], etc. [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' but to [[:Category:Catholic Church in the Dutch West Indies]], which is much more succinct and clearer.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:28, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. The Dutch West Indies is more of an historical entity whereas the category caters for the current situation. The present extent of the Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands is much narrower than the Dutch West Indies at their historic maximum extent which included mainland South America. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
:* Agree with Laurel Lodged on the Caribbean issue. In fact that entire category tree may be shortened from ''Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands'' to ''Dutch Caribbean'' per [[Dutch Caribbean]] but that's going to be for another nomination. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:30, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
::: '''Agree'''. [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 07:45, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:Catholic Church in the Dutch Carribean]]. There is no reason that articles exclusively about Catholicism in areas that were then under Dutch control but no longer are should be excluded from this category. Anyway, Dutch Carribean is the shortest, most succienct way to refer to the area.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:09, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:Roman Catholic Church in Curaçao ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge'''. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''ℯ'''</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Roman Catholic Church in Curaçao]] to [[:Category:Catholic Church in Curaçao]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:Consistency]] with the rest of the entries listed in [[:Category:Catholic Church by country]], as well as with [[Catholic Church]], [[:Category:Catholic Church]], [[Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia]], etc. [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:29, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' for consistency.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:09, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:Roman Catholic Church in Aruba ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''ℯ'''</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Roman Catholic Church in Aruba]] to [[:Category:Catholic Church in Aruba]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:Consistency]] with the rest of the entries listed in [[:Category:Catholic Church by country]], as well as with [[Catholic Church]], [[:Category:Catholic Church]], [[Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia]], etc. [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:42, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' for consistency.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:Roman Catholic universities and colleges by country ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''ℯ'''</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Roman Catholic universities and colleges by country]] to [[:Category:Catholic universities and colleges by country]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:Consistency]] with the rest of the entries listed in [[:Category:Catholic Church by country]], as well as with [[Catholic Church]], [[:Category:Catholic Church]], [[Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia]], etc. [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:29, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' for consistency.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils by country ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''ℯ'''</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils by country]] to [[:Category:Catholic Church Councils by country]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:Consistency]] with the rest of the entries listed in [[:Category:Catholic Church by country]], as well as with [[Catholic Church]], [[:Category:Catholic Church]], [[Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia]], etc. [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:30, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:42, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' for consistency.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:Roman Catholic schools by country ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''ℯ'''</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Roman Catholic schools by country]] to [[:Category:Catholic schools by country]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:Consistency]] with the rest of the entries listed in [[:Category:Catholic Church by country]], as well as with [[Catholic Church]], [[:Category:Catholic Church]], [[Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia]], etc. [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:30, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:43, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' for consistency.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse cases by country ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''ℯ'''</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse cases by country]] to [[:Category:Catholic Church sex abuse cases by country]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:Consistency]] with the rest of the entries listed in [[:Category:Catholic Church by country]], as well as with [[Catholic Church]], [[:Category:Catholic Church]], [[Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia]], etc. [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:30, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:43, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' for consistency.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:11, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Years and decades in the Abbasid Caliphate ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' and '''delete''' as nominated. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''ℯ'''</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:762 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:763 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:811 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
{{cot|more years and decades to be merged}}
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:865 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:866 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:869 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:870 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:871 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:876 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:905 disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:10th-century disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] and [[:Category:905 disestablishments]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:946 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:10th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1157 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:12th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1258 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:13th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:760s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:770s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:780s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:790s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:790s disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:8th-century disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] and [[:Category:790s disestablishments in Asia]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:800s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:810s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:830s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:840s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:850s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:860s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:870s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:880s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:890s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]] to [[:Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Years in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Years of the 8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Years of the 9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
{{cot|more categories becoming empty by the above merging}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Years of the 10th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Years of the 12th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Years of the 13th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate by year‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Decades in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate by decade‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:905 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:900s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:900s disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:940s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:1150s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:1250s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎]]
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:'''Nominator's rationale: upmerge''' per [[WP:SMALLCAT]], most of the year categories consists of only one article and even many decades categories are poorly populated. There is no need for a second merge target, all articles are already in a Year or Decade in Asia category as well (or Europe or Africa, each in one instance). [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:17, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -- I doubt the 8th century category will end off with more than a dozen articles and a few subcats: that is not too much for a category.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Small categories with little scope for expansion. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 05:48, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The period is well documented and though i could potentially support upmerge to decade level, i strongly oppose to century level. We have annual and decade levels in parallel period [[:category:Years in the Byzantine Empire]] and [[:category:Years in the Rashidun Caliphate]], why Abbasid Caliphate is different??[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 11:50, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
:* We don't have [[:category:Years in the Rashidun Caliphate]] and [[:category:Years in the Byzantine Empire]] is nominated as well. Hence Abbasid Caliphate isn't any different at all. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 16:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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==== Category:Mormon Tabernacle Choir songs ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''ℯ'''</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Mormon Tabernacle Choir songs}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' we categorize songs only by the ''original'' singer, which is not the case here. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' almost none of these songs were originally sung by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. Many do not even mention the Mormon Tabernacle Choir in the articles on them. A few the Choir has sung so often and in such prominent places, that there is some level of deep cultural connection, but most it just amounts to 1 or two recordings and a few times out of literally thousands of performances, with many of these songs being sung just as often by other notable choirs, and many predating the formation of the choir itself.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:16, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' In the case of [[Amazing Grace]] it mentions in the article that the Library of Congress has a collection of over 3,000 recordings of the song, and mentions recordings by many other people, but I see no mention in the article of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The recordings section on "Away in a Manager" lists 11 recordsings (which I am sure is no where near the number of commercially distrubuted recordings done of this christmas carol), none of them by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' In the case of ''Bring a Torch, Jeanette, Isabella'' the first listing of a recording by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is listing #25 of the recordsings. This for a song that was first translated to English in the 18th-century. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir was not even formed until the mid-19th century.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' In the case of [[Winter Wonderland]] it is currently in 14 song by performer categories. I have my doubts that any are good fits. We may need to look at some of the other songs by performer categories as well.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 05:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. To be fair, it doesn't necessarily have to be the ''original'' singer to justify inclusion in an "Artist songs" category — but the artist does have to have ''some'' kind of [[WP:DEFINING|defining]] relationship to the song ''beyond'' merely having recorded or performed it at all. (Just as an example, "[[Nothing Compares 2 U]]" is ''much'' more famously associated with Sinéad O'Connor, who actually made it a worldwide smash hit, than it is with The Family, who originally recorded it. So its ''definers'' are Sinéad and Prince, not The Family.) But that really isn't the case for most of the songs here. I'd grant them the specifically LDS hymns — to the extent that those are known outside the LDS church, it's almost ''entirely'' down to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir — but those are already catted as {{cl|Latter Day Saint music}} anyway and thus don't really need this. But they definitely don't have a ''defining'' relationship to "Winter Wonderland" or "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" or "I Saw Three Ships" or "Morning Has Broken". [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 04:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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