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=== May 25 ===
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==== Category:Byzantine Thessalonian historians ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:48, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Byzantine Thessalonian historians}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' typical [[WP:SMALLCAT]]; upmerge and delete [[User:Cplakidas|Constantine]]  [[User talk:Cplakidas| ✍ ]] 19:48, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Byzantine Thessalonian grammarians}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' typical [[WP:SMALLCAT]]; upmerge and delete [[User:Cplakidas|Constantine]]  [[User talk:Cplakidas| ✍ ]] 19:47, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
::::Combined similar items.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 08:25, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -- If there were five people, I would have voted to merge to [[:Category:Byzantine writers from Thessalonili]], but I think it is the same three people in both.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 08:28, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
:* That is not correct, it is 5 articles in 2 categories (only 1 overlapping article). But for the nomination it does not really matter. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:51, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support upmerge''' to [[:Category:Byzantine Thessalonian writers]] (category to remain) [[User:Hugo999|Hugo999]] ([[User talk:Hugo999|talk]]) 09:48, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
:* {{ping|Hugo999}} Why not a dual upmerge, i.e. also to [[:Category:Byzantine historians]] and [[:Category:Byzantine Thessalonian grammarians]] respectively? [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:25, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:6th-century Belgian people ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Merge to Frankish equivalents'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 20:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:6th-century Belgian people]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:7th-century Belgian people]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:8th-century Belgian people]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:8th-century Belgian women]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''' as anachronistic categories, in this period there were no people that can be described as Belgian. The articles will remain in [[:Category:Medieval Belgian saints]] and in an xth-century Christian saints category so I do not think that any merge is needed here. That may become different with categories of later centuries and with [[:Category:Medieval Belgian saints]], so that's why I have nominated these four categories separately. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:35, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
:'''Support delete''' although I can see an argument that Belgian or at least Belgic kinda works as an ethnicity rather than a nationality. But I'm not going to sweat it too much. [[User:Le Deluge|Le Deluge]] ([[User talk:Le Deluge|talk]]) 17:17, 25 May 2018 (UTC) 
:'''Comment''' The "anachronistic" comment applies to pre-1830 Belgian people according to some people (see proposal re [[:Category:18th-century Belgian artists]]). But what century category will the 6th to 8th century Belgian people/women fall into; they should have a nationality by century category as well as a Christian saints by century category. Frankish people seems appropriate e.g. [[:Category:6th-century Frankish people]] (Merovingians?), But as the Franks stop at [[:Category:7th-century Frankish people]] so I would propose retaining [[:Category:8th-century Belgian people]] (and women) at least. And sometime there may be some early non-saintly Belgians! [[User:Hugo999|Hugo999]] ([[User talk:Hugo999|talk]]) 12:41, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:* It is not mandatory to categorize people by nationality or ethnicity. Especially in the early Middle Ages that was often not very clear. I would support categorizing them as Franks if and only if sources confirm that they were Franks, but that can be done regardless the outcome of this discussion. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 16:36, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:: And by the way, [[:Category:8th-century Frankish people]] and [[:Category:8th-century Frankish women]] do exist. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:06, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
*'''remove these''' as anachronistic.  After Charlemagne, his empire was divided into three parts.  Until his death, we can use "Frankish" without problem.  The three parts became France, Germany (often Holy Roman Empire) and a middle kingdom which fragmented.  I am not sure what WP is calling this, but Lorraine (Lotharingia) and Burgundy would be options, but are today related to smaller areas.  We need '''merge''' targets but I am not sure what.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 08:37, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
*'''Merge to Frankish equivalents''' [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 12:00, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
:* Alright with merge, after all, my earlier objection was too bureaucratic. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:15, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
*'''Merge to Frankish equivalents''' per Laurel Lodged and per [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_November_11#Category:7th_century_in_Iraq|precedent]] with [[:Category:7th-century Iraqi people]].[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 11:19, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Governors of Nanyo ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Moved'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 20:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Governors of Nanyo]] to [[:Category:Governors of the South Pacific Mandate]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' In existing WP articles the territory in question is called the [[South Pacific Mandate]], not Nanyo. The choice of name achieved consensus a few years ago at [[Talk:South Pacific Mandate#Requested move 19 October 2015]]. This discussion was in response to the South Pacific Mandate article having been boldly moved to Nanyo, from which consensus reverted it. [[User:Polly Tunnel|Polly Tunnel]] ([[User talk:Polly Tunnel|talk]]) 15:07, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Addition''' I forgot to mention that [[:Category:Governors of Nanyo]] is currently a subcategory of [[:Category:South Pacific Mandate]] and contains the page [[Governor of the South Pacific Mandate]]. [[User:Polly Tunnel|Polly Tunnel]] ([[User talk:Polly Tunnel|talk]]) 12:30, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Move to [[:Category:Governors of the South Pacific Mandate]]'''. It makes sense to have everything match. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿</span>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]] · [[WP:JA|<span style="color:maroon;">Join WP Japan</span>]]!</small> 20:51, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
*The proposal is a bit anachronistic, isn't it? There wasn't really a South Pacific Mandate after Japan withdrew from the League of Nations. Consistency is good, but perhaps a split of the article or a reconsideration of the 2014/2015 discussions is in order. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 22:27, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
:* Since currently all articles in this category use the term "South Pacific Mandate", a new discussion (if needed) should take place at article level, not here. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
::*No need for a split.  The article says, ''"When the islands became legally a League of Nations Mandate, Japan administered them as Japanese territory and as part of the Japanese Empire. This situation continued even after Japan withdrew from the League of Nations in 1935 and lost its legal claim to administer the islands."''  The mandate was only formally revoked in 1947. <small> — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #93010b;background:#ef0000;padding:2px;color:#efe6e6;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</span>]] 03:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)</small>

*'''Move''' as proposed to match the articles.  — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #93010b;background:#ef0000;padding:2px;color:#efe6e6;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</span>]] 03:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:LGBT romance films ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Rename'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 16:47, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:LGBT romance films]] to [[:Category:LGBT-related romance films]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Consistency with other categories under [[:Category:LGBT-related films by genre]]. <b>[[User:SnapSnap|<span style="color: #B571EF">snap</span><span style="color: #5BAEF7">snap</span>]]</b> <sup>([[User talk:SnapSnap|talk]])</sup> 05:39, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 02:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:G.E.M. (singer) albums ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:35, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:G.E.M. (singer) albums]] to [[:Category:G.E.M. albums]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[G.E.M.]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 01:19, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
* '''Support'''; current name is pointless over-disambiguation. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 19:03, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
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