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=== September 10 ===
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==== Metropolitan boroughs ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Rename'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 14:36, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Barnsley Borough]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of Barnsley]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Bolton Borough]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of Bolton]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Bradford District]] to [[:Category:City of Bradford]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Bury Borough]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of Bury]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Doncaster Borough]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of Doncaster]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Dudley (borough)]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of Dudley]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Oldham Borough]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of Oldham]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Rochdale Borough]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of Rochdale]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:St Helens Borough]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of St Helens]]
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Stockport Borough]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of Stockport]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Wakefield District]] to [[:Category:City of Wakefield]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Wigan Borough]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of Wigan]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Wirral (borough)]] to [[:Category:Metropolitan Borough of Wirral]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The articles use "Metropolitan Borough of..." except those such as [[North Tyneside]] which don't require disambiguation. The consensus at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 30#Greater Manchester Metropolitan Boroughs]] as to use "Foo Borough" but at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 21#Metropolitan boroughs]] and [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 9#Sutton]] would suggest that this format was [[WP:LOCALCONSENSUS]] even though it can be helpful with hotcat. There are 2 "City of ..." categories where "Foo District" is used which I would argue is their [[WP:UCN|common name]] as the [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000016758 OS] uses "Foo District" as an alternative label and there are [http://www.geonames.org/search.html?q=City+of+Wakefield&country= other units] called this, but as with the discussion at [[Category talk:Lancaster, Lancashire#Split category?]] the "City of ..." is the usual format. I haven't included [[:Category:Gateshead]], [[:Category:Leeds]], [[:Category:Rotherham]], [[:Category:Solihull]] and [[:Category:Walsall]] which have 1 category for both settlement and district, which can probably be split outside this discussion. [[:Category:Bury]] was renamed and deleted as ambiguous and [[:Category:Sunderland]] doesn't exist, but [[:Category:City of Sunderland]] does. Note that because there were so many this has includes nominations from the 11th (which I have indicated and will direct here) and I will add a list in my userspace of all the other sub cats when this has got consensus just in case it doesn't. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Red">talk</span>]])  12:18, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' More appropriate names for the categories. "Bury Borough" is contrived and awkward IMO. [[User:Number 57|<span style="color: orange;">Number</span>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<span style="color: green;">5</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<span style="color: blue;">7</span>]] 13:28, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support'''  These seem to be in line with local usage for the places I am familiar with. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 22:11, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*The full list is now at [[User:Crouch, Swale/CFDs]]. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Red">talk</span>]])  14:00, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
**Thanks. I have moved it from your user space to [[Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 10]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 13:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''  Local usage varies.  Take [https://www.bradford.gov.uk/ Bradford council's website]: the council itself refers to Bradford District.  The [https://www.yorkshire.com/places/west-yorkshire/wakefield Yorkshire tourist info website] refers to Wakefield District.  But Leeds is more problematic.  We don't have a separate category for the City of Leeds - [[:Category:Leeds]] refers to both the principal settlement and the wider district, perhaps reflecting the Leeds city council preference which refers to to plain Leeds (but meaning the district), whereas other parts of the district refer to Leeds as a different place, e.g. [http://www.wetherby.co.uk/ Wetherby Town Council] merely says that "major services are provided by Leeds City Council".  The [https://www.bury.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=11677 Bury Council website] refers to "Bury Metropolitan Borough".  

:I think the rationale in the 2014 discussion still stands.  It deals with the hotcat (and sorting) issues, and there are many precedents for giving a category a different name from its main article.  Brevity is worth having if it is unambiguous - particularly in subcats.--[[User:Mhockey|Mhockey]] ([[User talk:Mhockey|talk]]) 21:15, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
*:Why should we treat these ones differently to the others, what about moving many more of the district articles to [[Bury District]], [[Wakefield District]], [[Carlisle District]] instead per the [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000018846 OS] alternative label, {{ping|Mhockey}}. However then we run into the problem with UAs such as [[City of Peterborough]] where the full name is used [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000038886] and for other UAs just have their name [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000043870]. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Red">talk</span>]])  21:20, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
*:Wouldn't you're arguments about hotcat and sorting issues also apply to the articles, finding "Bury District" is easier than [[Metropolitan Borough of Bury]], so lets not put the tail in front of the dog, by doing this first with the categories. I'd also point out the the Commons categories all use the "Metropolitan Borough of..." and "City of...". '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Red">talk</span>]])  11:41, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
**Personally I'd be happy to see the article at [[Bury Borough]] or [[Bury Metropolitan Borough]], but I don't know if that would be supported. (But I would not suggest Bradford City for [[City of Bradford]] - in British English you would never see Bradford City as the name of the district.)  I checked to see the legal name of the borough, and it seems to be just "Bury" ([http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1973/137/made The Metropolitan Districts (Names) Order 1973]), so that does not help much:  Bury Council itself uses "Bury" ambiguously, sometimes to refer to the borough and sometimes to the town within the borough (e.g. the [https://www.bury.gov.uk/ council website] refers to "Bury" as one of 6 towns in the borough).  When the council website needs to disambiguate, it uses both Borough of Bury (e.g. [https://www.bury.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=12099 here]) and Bury Metropolitan Borough ([https://www.bury.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=11677 here]).--[[User:Mhockey|Mhockey]] ([[User talk:Mhockey|talk]]) 21:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
***Do you think that "Metropolitan Borough of..." is also contrived then? I don't think [[Bury Borough]] or [[Bury Metropolitan Borough]] would be much better, I'd prefer "Bury District" as that's what the OS uses as an alternative label. They were originally at "Bury (borough)" etc until [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bury_(borough)&action=history 2005]. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Red">talk</span>]])  08:37, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
****I guess the OS chooses a label which applies to both "boroughs" and "cities".  But it does not seem to be a label which is used locally, as far as I can tell.  I wouldn't say "Metropolitan Borough of..." is contrived, but it would be nice to find examples of it outside WP.--[[User:Mhockey|Mhockey]] ([[User talk:Mhockey|talk]]) 21:03, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
*****For non-metropolitan districts the OS uses "Foo" and "Foo District" as an alternative label, regardless of if they are just have [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000015692 district] status, [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000019569 borough] or [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000012712 city]. For metropolitan boroughs they also do the [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000018825 same], including for [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000016758 cities]. For unitary authorities they use "Foo" with no different label for [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000043870 district] status and [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000038141 borough] status, buth with cities (with the exception of York) they use "[http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000038857 City of Foo]" as the preferred label. For London Boroughs they use "[http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000011259 Foo]" and "Foo London Boro" as an alternative and "[http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000011164 City of Foo]" for cities, with "City of Foo London Boro" being the alternative label. I'd assumed that "Metropolitan Borough of Foo" was an official and common term but actually it doesn't appear to be, but maybe still common enough to use. [https://www.bury.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=11677 This] council website that you linked links to our WP article. There is an example [https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/announcements/public_notices/notice/38314.BURY_COUNCIL_METROPOLITAN_BOROUGH_OF_BURY_INCREASE_IN_HACKNEY_CARRIAGE_AND_PRIVATE_HIRE_FEES/ here] among others of MB being used outside WP. I would say that for non metropolitan districts that "Foo District" is more common in a generic context than plain "Foo". '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Red">talk</span>]])  08:50, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:John Duncan Fergusson ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Delete'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 10:11, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|John Duncan Fergusson}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' With only a couple of image files, seems like an unnecessary use of eponymous categorization to have per [[WP:OCEPON]]. <span style="color:blue">Star</span><span style="color:orange">cheers</span><span style="color:green">peaks</span><span style="color:red">news</span>lost<span style="color:blue">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 21:11, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Articles with incomplete book citations ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Delete'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 10:10, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Articles with incomplete book citations}}<br />{{Lc|Articles with incomplete book citations from September 2018}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' This maintenance category used to be populated by [[Template:Ref expand]].  [[Template:Cleanup partial cites]] was merged into [[Template:Ref expand]] per [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 April 8#Template:Cleanup partial cites]] and, as a result of the merge, the maintenance category previously used by [[Template:Cleanup partial cites]], [[:Category:Articles with incomplete citations]], has been retained for use by the new merged [[Template:Ref expand]], instead of this category. Because this category and its monthly subcategories are now disused, they can be deleted. [[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 20:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Alien Wikipedian ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Delete'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 10:10, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Alien Wikipedian}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' If this is meant to reflect nationality, more specific categories with better titles exist. If it's meant to suggest extra-terrestrial origin, it's of no encyclopedic value. —[[User:Swpb|<u>swpb</u>]]<sup>[[User talk:Swpb|''T'']] [[Wikipedia:Beyond civility|go beyond]]</sup> 19:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Agreed that this falls within [[Wikipedia:User categories#Inappropriate types of user categories]]. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 22:27, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

*'''Do not delete'''. Why??? why an alien from Mars can not join to wikipedia ? a gate for alien should open and alway open for them. They'll bring many thing you never know and can not understand. [[User:Đông Minh|Đông Minh]] ([[User talk:Đông Minh|talk]]) 01:56, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom; this isn't April 1st. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 02:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom, this makes no sense. [[User:PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">'''PCN02WPS'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">contribs</span>]])</small> 12:52, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' -- If there was any prospect of a genuine member of this category, we might allow it, but there is not.  I do not believe the user page of the one member is accurate.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 09:51, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Christian boxers ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Delete'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 10:09, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Christian boxers}}<br />
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Muslim boxers]] ''added 11 September''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEGRS]] —[[User:Swpb|<u>swpb</u>]]<sup>[[User talk:Swpb|''T'']] [[Wikipedia:Beyond civility|go beyond]]</sup> 19:19, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Nominator's rationale is persuasive. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 22:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' someone should also tag [[:Category:Jewish boxers]] and [[:Category:Muslim boxers]] for identical reasons. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 02:40, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
:* {{done}} for [[:Category:Muslim boxers]]. However, for [[:Category:Jewish boxers]] it would require a different discussion, because this is part of a tree by ethnicity. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:07, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - in a good amount of articles in either category there no reference to the subjects religion in the text. Religion is mostly irrelevant to most boxer's careers anyways. [[User:Inter&#38;anthro|Inter&#38;anthro]] ([[User talk:Inter&#38;anthro|talk]]) 03:46, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' I fail to see a connection between the specific sport and religion. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 13:28, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Christians by occupation ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. This category seems to entirely overlap [[:Category:Christian religious workers]], there there was no particularly convincing rationale to keep this otherwise lone-subcategory parent. [[User:Explicit|<b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 03:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Christians by occupation}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEGRS]] —[[User:Swpb|<u>swpb</u>]]<sup>[[User talk:Swpb|''T'']] [[Wikipedia:Beyond civility|go beyond]]</sup> 19:19, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. The only subcategory, {{C|Christian boxers}}, created 4 September 2018, does not seem to be a {{xt|combination '''itself''' recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic in its own right}}, as mandated by [[WP:OCEGRS]]. It may be nominated as well. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 14:50, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': Although this is a new category, it should be considered as a part of [[:Category:People by religion and occupation]]; some of the siblings seem to be worth keeping already. However, apart from the boxers category which has also been nominated, the only other categories for Christians by occupation that I am aware of are cases where the individuals' practice of their occupation is related to their religion, and these are currently all in [[:Category:Christian religious workers]] (which I have added as a sub-cat). – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 18:44, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' There is nothing intrinsic linking the two terms. Best kept separate. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:01, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - for consistency, as there is [[:Category:People by religion and occupation]]. Have just added a category to this category. [[User:Inter&#38;anthro|Inter&#38;anthro]] ([[User talk:Inter&#38;anthro|talk]]) 02:41, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
:* I've removed [[:Category:Christian writers]] again, because it is already a subcategory of [[:Category:Christian religious workers]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:59, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
* '''Delete''', the category does not add anything to [[:Category:Christian religious workers]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:59, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' Fits with [[:Category:People by religion and occupation]] and could be expanded. I would personally like to see a category for Christian criminals, as a parent to [[:Category:Christian clergy with criminal convictions]]. A religion that has inspired massacres in every continent, should provide plenty of articles for the category. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 13:35, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
:* It would be early enough to create this extra category layer once 5 or more subcategories would exist to populate it. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 20:18, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Collaborative Art ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Collaborative Art}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Dubious category, one dubious member. —[[User:Swpb|<u>swpb</u>]]<sup>[[User talk:Swpb|''T'']] [[Wikipedia:Beyond civility|go beyond]]</sup> 19:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
::'''Delete''' - should be an "artists" category anyway. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 04:12, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Sci-art ====
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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Extremely dubious category with one dubious member. —[[User:Swpb|<u>swpb</u>]]<sup>[[User talk:Swpb|''T'']] [[Wikipedia:Beyond civility|go beyond]]</sup> 19:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Research Creation ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 21:06, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Research Creation}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Extremely dubious topic with one member of dubious notability. —[[User:Swpb|<u>swpb</u>]]<sup>[[User talk:Swpb|''T'']] [[Wikipedia:Beyond civility|go beyond]]</sup> 19:10, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The category has not been categorized, and there is no article on the subject of the category. Those circumstances lend support to the nominator's assumption that this is not a notable topic. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 22:13, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' I doubt that there could a definition specific enough for this to be useful. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 11:39, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Size change in fiction ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''withdrawn''' in order to re-submit as a new multiple nomination. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Size change in fiction]] to [[:Category:Fiction about size change]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' As per [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 18#Foo in films --> Films about foo]], better to make it clear that categories of this nature are to be applied when a subject is the primary focus of a work of fiction, not an incidental element. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 17:18, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' While I can see the rationale, the category would no longer fit under parent category [[:Category:Shapeshifting in fiction]]. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 13:40, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
:*The rationale could extend to saying that Shapeshifting in fiction should be Fiction about shapeshifting. I'd be okay with adding that category to this CfD. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 15:29, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
::Do show please. I hope it will attract the interest of more editors. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 18:00, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

'''Note to Admins:''' Please close this CfD. As per Dimadick's request, I will re-open as a multi. Well, adding another category here may be easier, but I couldn't figure out how to make that happen. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 18:46, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Films about Facebook ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''', add articles to parent categories as appropriate. <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 13:49, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Films about Facebook}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Delete and upmerge per [[WP:SMALLCAT]]. Maybe in time, but I don't think we're there yet. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 16:06, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' suffers the same problems that nearly all "X about Y" categories have. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 02:41, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. I would add that only one of these is really squarely a film ''about'' Facebook. The others are dependent on social media, but the fact that Facebook is the platform involved is incidental. This is not far off from having films with substantial scenes set in McDonald's alongside ''[[The Founder]]'' in a category for "Films about McDonald's". [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
** '''Note''': I may have spoken too soon, as there is a [[:Category:Films about McDonald's]], which does contain ''[[The Founder]]'', but also has a subcategory of four documentaries about McDonald's. Still, it doesn't have fictional films that are largely ''set'' in McDonald's rather than being about the company. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:55, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Small category, with little chance for expansion. Also at least one of the films is not "about" Facebook. The horror film [[Friend Request]] depicts a college girl "befriending" a girl close to her own age, who turns out to be a [[Stalking|stalker]]. She is then subjected to [[cyberbullying]]. That the two girls met each other on Facebook is barely plot-relevant. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 15:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[:Category:Films about social media]], and add ''[[The Social Network]]'' to the other parents [[:Category:Films about companies]] and [[:Category:Works about Facebook]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 22:21, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:History of the Burgundian Netherlands ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Merge'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 13:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:History of the Burgundian Netherlands]] to [[:Category:Burgundian Netherlands]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:History of the Burgundian Netherlands by period]] to [[:Category:Burgundian Netherlands]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''merge''', having multiple category layers for this few subcategories is merely a hindrance for navigation. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:10, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
* '''Support merge''' per nom. A great part of this tree (''Establishments, centuries, decades, millenia'') may be further merged with the equivalent in the {{C|Southern Netherlands}} category. "Southern Netherlands" is a generic name for an area which was referred to as ''Burgundian Netherlands'', ''Spanish Netherlands'', ''Habsburg Netherlands'', ''Austrian Netherlands'' etc. at several points in time. With variations of geographical extent, of course. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 15:01, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
:* Just for info, I've never seen [[Southern Netherlands]] as a synonym of [[Burgundian Netherlands]]. The term Southern Netherlands is usually meant to be [[Spanish Netherlands]] + [[Prince-Bishopric of Liège]] after the 1580s when the [[Dutch Republic]] split off, and later [[Austrian Netherlands]] + Prince-Bishopric of Liège. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:15, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
::: This is also my understanding. ''Southern Netherlands'' would be a generic geographical designation for the area, including Liege and other enclave principalities, from the 1580s split to the creation of Belgium in 1830, under successive Spanish, Austrian, French and Dutch lordship. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 01:19, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for things so remote in time, every article is essentially a history article. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:02, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Kingdom of Jerusalem ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''withdrawn'''. [[User:Explicit|<b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 03:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1101 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]] to [[:Category:1101 in Asia]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1110s establishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]] to [[:Category:1110s establishments in Asia]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1120s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]] to [[:Category:Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1123 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]] to [[:Category:1123 in Asia]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1137 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]] to [[:Category:Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1180s disestablishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]] to [[:Category:1180s establishments in Asia]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1187 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]] to [[:Category:1187 in Asia]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1190s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]] to [[:Category:Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:1250s establishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
:'''Nominator's rationale: merge/delete''' per [[WP:SMALLCAT]], mostly just one article in every category. The articles are often already in some other subcategory of [[:Category:Kingdom of Jerusalem]] and/or in a year category in Asia, therefore a full upmerge is not necessary. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:00, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - the [[:Category:Kingdom of Jerusalem]] has a developed category tree by years, hence this proposal is disruptive by not suggesting first to merge into the Kingdom of Jerusalem by century. Furthermore, it is clear that the Kingdom of Jerusalem categorization is not [[WP:SMALLCAT]], due to the extensive coverage of the period (the kingdom lasted for almost two centuries, covering directly or via allies and vassals much of the [[Levant]]) by written sources and plenty of articles. Just because not all articles are tagged by the year categories is not implying SMALLCAT, which is intended for topics which CANNOT be developed; which is not the case.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 09:41, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - the nominator apparently missed those categories:
::[[:category:1100s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:1110s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:1250s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:11th century in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:12th century in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:13th century in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:Disestablishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem by century]]
::[[:category:Years of the 12th century in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:Category:Years in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
:[[user:Marcocapelle]] i understand it was by mistake?[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 14:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC) 
*: Furthermore, please note that: 
::[[:category:1090s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]] and 
::[[:Category:1100s establishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]] 
:were marked as empty and were not included in this proposal.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 10:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
*:Also the following categories have just been created to emphasize that this is not a [[WP:SMALLCAT]]:
::[[:category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem by decade]]
::[[:Category:1102 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:Category:1140s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:1090s establishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:11th-century establishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:1170s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:1160s in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:1160s establishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
::[[:category:13th-century disestablishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem]]
:Thanks.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 10:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
* Thanks for these observations. It'll become to messy to correct all of this, in order to avoid a lot of confusion I will '''withdraw''' this nomination. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Thanks for withdrawing''' -- Asia is a very big place.  The Kingdom of Jerusalem was a state.  We should not be merging so as to remove national identity from categories.  We might have "Crusader States" as a merge target, where we cannot get an adequate population for decades.  I would not oppose merging years to decades, but if we need a multi-national target to merge years to, it should probably be Middle East. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 10:01, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The net has been cast too wide. I would support a nomination to merge "by year" to "by decade" and a nomination to upmerge all establishments / disestablishments by year to just "Establishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem" / "Disestablishments in the Kingdom of Jerusalem". [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:07, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
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