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=== October 19 ===
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==== Category:Classical Marxist parties in the United States ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Classical Marxist parties in the United States]] to [[:Category:Marxist parties in the United States]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Upmerge. There's only on page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 23:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. There isn't even a [[:Category:Classical Marxist parties]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Video games by narrative genre ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 23:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Video games by narrative genre]] to [[:Category:Video games by theme]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' This category was nominated for merging but was opposed, however, upon looking at the previous discussion, it wasn't opposed with righteous consent. Dimadick just said "Oppose, Genres are not limited to common themes, but also to the tone of the work." and that lead to the closure. He provide much information, it is better 

This category is currently just a mess of content. I understand how it is an attempt to create a category containing video games with THEMES based on the genres of film and literature, but it still very insulting to what [[video game genre]]s really are. For instance [[Western (genre) video game]]s do not have their own article as their not their own thing, it isn't considered a genre and never will be, it did not originate in video games. 

Some of the things in this category have still been cited as a genre to a degree, including entries with an article: [[horror game]], [[Christian video game]], and even [[science fiction video game]] (which I still won't ever consider genre despite having an article). But keep in mind that [[Buddhist]], [[Halloween]], [[Christmas]], [[Wuxia]] or even [[Medical]] are rarely known as genres across any medium of media. Just think about it: [[Christmas film]] is a redirect to [[Christmas by medium]] - Christmas films are clearly a theme rather than a genre, this is because their just defined by a specific annual Christian celebration that they are about, rather than a style or set of the mood such as comedy or drama.

Please stop and think for a seconds or even minutes if you are willing to just go ahead, oppose this discussion, and then call it a day. It will break my heart if really do such as thing after all the time and effort I went through to write all this.

FINAL NOTE: The only real subcategories of this category which are genres that literarily originated in video games are:
[[:Category:Advergames]]
[[:Category:Art games]]
[[:Category:Educational video games]] (this is clearly distinct from educational TV programs, because it is interactive entertainment software designed to educate the users) [[User:QuantumFoam66|QuantumFoam66]] ([[User talk:QuantumFoam66|talk]]) 20:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose merger''' per [[‎Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 19#Category:Video games by narrative genre|my arguments from the previous discussion]]. Are you really sure about beating this same horse again after only 2 months? I still believe that there's an important difference between gameplay genres and story genres for video games. Instead of merging, why not just purge what you think are not proper genres from this category? [[User:AHI-3000|AHI-3000]] ([[User talk:AHI-3000|talk]]) 06:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose merger''' The genre is much wider than a mere "theme". [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 12:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:'''Comment'''. The current system is not that great. But merging one into the other is not really a solution. Technically, "by theme" means "by feature" - a specific subject that appears in the game, while the word "narrative" means more like plot. The latter would be correct under [[:Category:Fiction genres]], which was once merged into "Literature genres". But "fiction genre" is not just about plot, but also about setting or/and visual style. For example, [[:Category:Cyberpunk video games]] is not necessarily "narrative", but may just be visual theme and setting. "Western video game" is always about setting, but may also be about plot and visual theme. Whereas [[:Category:Horror video games]] is always about plot and not visual theme or setting. So "narrative genre" should probably be changed to something else. [[User:Solidest|Solidest]] ([[User talk:Solidest|talk]]) 16:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose merger''' Narrative genre is distinct from theme, and arguably more fundamental to categorization.--[[User:Trystan|Trystan]] ([[User talk:Trystan|talk]]) 14:06, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
: [https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/tags#13 Steam tags guideline] Actually shows how this should be sorted neatly, and partly matches what I wrote above. A lot of what we put in 'narrative genre' can actually be classified as 'theme' (like Christmas, Detective, Cyberpunk, Satire). And what is in [[:Category:Video games by theme]], on the other hand, can hardly be called 'theme'. It's more like 'by topic'. And it actually lists "Holiday-themed games" (that's a theme, isn't it?), "Video games about revenge" (that's a plot, so it's narrative), and so on. It all looks like a big mess, and we should just follow the way it's organised on Steam. The first thing to do would be renaming 'Video games by theme' to 'Video games by feature' and 'Video games by narrative genre' to 'Video games by theme'. [[User:Solidest|Solidest]] ([[User talk:Solidest|talk]]) 03:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:All articles with inline parenthetical referencing ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''rename'''<!-- Template:Cfd top -->. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 22:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:All articles with inline parenthetical referencing]] to [[:Category:All articles with parenthetical referencing]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' I propose renaming this category to match the new maintenance tag name, [[Template:Parenthetical referencing]] (the old name was [[Template:Inline parenthetical referencing]]). I tried to change the code to start placing the new category name, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3AParenthetical_referencing&diff=1252049958&oldid=1251651464 was reverted], so I guess this needs to come to CFD. This will affect around 15 articles in the category. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 19:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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====Category:All Elite Wrestling personnel====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 26%23Category:All Elite Wrestling personnel]]<!-- Template:Cfd relisted -->

====Category:Settlement of the pro-Japanese collaboration====
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====Alta California before 1824====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 26%23Alta California before 1824]]<!-- Template:Cfd relisted -->

==== Category:People from Akseki ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:People from Akseki]] to [[:Category:People from Antalya Province]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category with just two entries. [[User:Lost in Quebec|Lost in Quebec]] ([[User talk:Lost in Quebec|talk]]) 18:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:43, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge''', now listed in town article. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Wikipedia administrator elections 2024 voter guides ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Wikipedia administrator elections 2024 voter guides}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[Wikipedia talk:Administrator elections#What should the page say on voting guides?]] closed with a consensus that voter guides should not be encouraged or advertised, this category is clearly contrary to that consensus. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 15:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Keep'''. Acknowledging the existence of something is not the same as encouraging it and the close said nothing about "advertised". Since the whole purpose of a guide is that others read them, hiding them away would have the same effect as disallowing them – you've tried getting consensus for that, and it didn't happen. This category is a bare-minimum way of keeping track of what guides have been written, using the same pattern [[:Category:Wikipedia Arbitration Committee Elections voter guides|we've used for ArbCom elections]] for nearly two decades. &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 16:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*:Voter guides for arbcom have explicit community consensus for their existence and advertising, and other than being an election on en.wp bear almost no similarities to admin elections. Collating voter guides and advertising it on the talk page is very clearly encouraging them - contrary to the explicit consensus not to do that (for all the reasons explained in the discussion). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 16:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' (ec) The somewhat thin consensus, among the small group organising this election, indeed concerned "What should the page say on voting guides?" - ie [[Wikipedia: Administrator elections]].  This category is not, and presumably will not be, mentioned on that page. Meanwhile the election has amazed everybody by attracting 35 candidates, raising different and urgent questions that were not anticipated. Some of the small group of organisers have been ready to adapt to this situation, and some have not. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*:Some have been adapting in manner consistent with the RFC consensus, others have not. The existence of voter guides at all is not compatible with that consensus, but here we are. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 16:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*::As far as I can tell the only mention of voter guides in the [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_13:_Admin_elections|original RfC]] was a comment expressing concern that there'd be enough time to write them. &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 17:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''': I found this very useful. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 16:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*:Why is that relevant? [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 16:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*::Categorization is supposed to help navigation. Which is likely what the user found useful. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 23:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*:::That doesn't answer the question of [[WP:ITSUSEFUL|why it is relevant]] to this discussion. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 12:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' regulatory overreach, strike the post at the relevant talk page if it offends. [[User:Draken Bowser|Draken Bowser]] ([[User talk:Draken Bowser|talk]]) 17:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*The question being asked in the discussion in question was limited to the text on the administration elections page. To have a greater scope, such as whether or not a category should exist, a broader consensus should be obtained from the community. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 17:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. These are actually pretty useful, and ultimately to the extent that the guides themselves are allowed to exist, then it is hard to argue that their categorization can't exist? [[User:Aszx5000|Aszx5000]] ([[User talk:Aszx5000|talk]]) 18:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per the same closer's explanation later - {{tq|My sense is that the main election page may not link to them, but there's nothing stopping an editor from compiling a list of voter guides, '''or categorising them for organisation and discovery'''.}} (emphasis mine). Also courtesy ping {{ping|ProcrastinatingReader}} as said closer. [[User:Soni|Soni]] ([[User talk:Soni|talk]])  21:27, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', a category could only be “advertising” to the gnomiest of wikignomes. There was consensus against banning or discouraging guides, so people should be allowed to find them if they want to. [[User:Toadspike|<span style="color:#21a81e;text-decoration:underline;text-decoration-thickness: 10%;">'''Toadspike'''</span>]] [[User talk:Toadspike|<span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;">[Talk]</span>]] 21:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Personally, I'm not happy about how this worked out, but that doesn't matter for purposes of this discussion. We have now had a clarification from the editor who closed the discussion about guides ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader#RFC close clarification request|link]]), indicating that guides are permitted and can be discussed at places like candidate pages, so it makes sense to have a category for them. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' In no sense can categorization reasonably be considered to be advertising. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 12:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I see no issue with them. The consensus linked to says they aren't encouraged or discouraged. This should mean they shouldn't be deleted. [[User:EggRoll97|EggRoll97]] <sup>([[User_talk:EggRoll97|talk]]) </sup> 20:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Withdraw'''. I still think this falls too far on the side of encouraging them (and still think that neither encouraging nor discouraging is more lenient than we should be being towards them) but it is clear my view does not accord with consensus. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:People from Chataignier, Louisiana ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:People from Chataignier, Louisiana]] to [[:Category:People from Evangeline Parish, Louisiana]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. [[User:AusLondonder|AusLondonder]] ([[User talk:AusLondonder|talk]]) 14:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nominator.[[User:Lost in Quebec|Lost in Quebec]] ([[User talk:Lost in Quebec|talk]]) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge''', now listed in village article. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:People from Athens, Louisiana ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:People from Athens, Louisiana]] to [[:Category:People from Claiborne Parish, Louisiana]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. [[User:AusLondonder|AusLondonder]] ([[User talk:AusLondonder|talk]]) 14:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nominator.[[User:Lost in Quebec|Lost in Quebec]] ([[User talk:Lost in Quebec|talk]]) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge''', now listed in town article. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:People from Woodburn, Kentucky ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:People from Woodburn, Kentucky]] to [[:Category:People from Warren County, Kentucky]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Article contains a single article, unhelpful for navigation. [[User:AusLondonder|AusLondonder]] ([[User talk:AusLondonder|talk]]) 14:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nominator.[[User:Lost in Quebec|Lost in Quebec]] ([[User talk:Lost in Quebec|talk]]) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge''', now listed in town article. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:50, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:People from Walnut, Illinois ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:People from Walnut, Illinois]] to [[:Category:People from Bureau County, Illinois]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. [[User:AusLondonder|AusLondonder]] ([[User talk:AusLondonder|talk]]) 12:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nominator.[[User:Lost in Quebec|Lost in Quebec]] ([[User talk:Lost in Quebec|talk]]) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge''', already listed in town article. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:People from Eastford, Connecticut ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:People from Eastford, Connecticut]] to [[:Category:People from Windham County, Connecticut]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. [[User:AusLondonder|AusLondonder]] ([[User talk:AusLondonder|talk]]) 12:29, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nominator.[[User:Lost in Quebec|Lost in Quebec]] ([[User talk:Lost in Quebec|talk]]) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nomination. Eastford is in the middle of nowhere (population 1,649 in 2020) so this category has poor prospects for growth. [[User:Trainsandotherthings|Trainsandotherthings]] ([[User talk:Trainsandotherthings|talk]]) 16:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge''', already listed in town article. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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====Category:Private schools Northern Beaches Sydney====
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==== Category:People from Loxley, Alabama ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:People from Loxley, Alabama]] to [[:Category:People from Baldwin County, Alabama]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. [[User:AusLondonder|AusLondonder]] ([[User talk:AusLondonder|talk]]) 11:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 16:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nominator.[[User:Lost in Quebec|Lost in Quebec]] ([[User talk:Lost in Quebec|talk]]) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge''', now listed in town article. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Ancient Indian monarchies ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Ancient Indian monarchies]] to [[:Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''merge''', strongly overlapping scope. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' (changed vote per below) {{strikethrough|'''Reverse merge''': I would suggest the merging [[:Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India]] to [[:Category:Ancient Indian monarchies]] instead as "Ancient Indian monarchies" is more concise.}} [[User:PadFoot2008|PadFoot]] ([[User talk:PadFoot2008|talk]]) 11:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:* For sure the ''page'' of [[:Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India]] should be kept since that is the far older page. I do not have a strong opinion on whether or not to rename that page to [[:Category:Ancient Indian monarchies]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:*:@[[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]], I think it would be better if we can have a discussion regarding this whole thing at the main CfD. I've removed the articles from this category and added back {{cl|Ancient empires and kingdoms of India}} to the appropriate articles in this category. I've also changed my vote above. Can I place a speedy deletion template (db-author) in the page if that would be better? [[User:PadFoot2008|PadFoot]] ([[User talk:PadFoot2008|talk]]) 17:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:*:* {{ping|PadFoot2008}} thank you, that simplifies the situation. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*As noted, this category has been emptied. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 19:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Songwriter unknown ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Songwriter unknown]] to [[:Category:Songs with unknown songwriters]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' We name categories as [[noun phrase]]s. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 07:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' per nom – '''[[User:ClaudineChionh|ClaudineChionh]]''' <small>(''she/her'' · [[User talk:ClaudineChionh|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh|email]])</small> 05:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Middle kingdoms of India ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Middle kingdoms of India]] to [[:Category:Medieval empires and kingdoms of India]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''merge''', this is an out-of-process rename. The correct procedure is to nominate [[:Category:Medieval empires and kingdoms of India]] for renaming. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::'''Merge''' as a duplicate category under a weird name. The target is itself nominated at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#Empires and kingdoms of foo]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 07:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::* To be honest, it is not a weird name, see [[Middle kingdoms of India]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*{{strikethrough|'''Keep:''' It is a more concise name, and has a different scope. It includes the post-Mauryan and pre-Sultanate era, and is not a duplicate category.}} [[User:PadFoot2008|PadFoot]] ([[User talk:PadFoot2008|talk]]) 11:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:* It strongly overlaps and you have been moving articles from [[:Category:Medieval empires and kingdoms of India]] to [[:Category:Middle kingdoms of India]]. If we keep both categories these articles should also be in both categories but I think this is too much duplication. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:*:I've deleted the category per our discussion at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#Empires and kingdoms of foo]]. [[User:PadFoot2008|PadFoot]] ([[User talk:PadFoot2008|talk]]) 10:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Water polo teams in Czechoslovakia ====
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:* '''Propose splitting''' [[:Category:Water polo teams in Czechoslovakia]] to [[:Category:Water polo in Czechoslovakia]] and [[:Category:Sports clubs and teams in Czechoslovakia]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Dual upmerge. There's only one page in here [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 03:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Single merge''' to [[:Category:Water polo in Czechoslovakia]] because the article is already in [[:Category:National sports teams of Czechoslovakia]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*:Fine with me [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 23:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Czechoslovak water polo people ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Czechoslovak water polo people]] to [[:Category:Water polo in Czechoslovakia]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Redundant category layer [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 03:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:3rd-century Vietnamese women ====
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:* '''Propose splitting''' [[:Category:3rd-century Vietnamese women]] to [[:Category:3rd-century Vietnamese people]] and [[:Category:3rd-century women]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Dual upmerge. isolated category [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 03:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Dual merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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====Category:Online-only games====
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==== Category:Over the Hedge video games ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''no consensus''' to merge/delete. I will remove the entries in [[:Category:Over the Hedge]] which should be diffused per [[WP:DIFFUSE]]. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 23:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Over the Hedge video games}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Entirely contained within [[:Category:Over the Hedge]]. Either we have two categories with three entries or one with six. We do not need the entries in this category to be contained within both. [[User:(Oinkers42)|(Oinkers42)]] ([[User talk:(Oinkers42)|talk]]) 18:32, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
* If not kept we should probably merge rather than delete. Potential merge targets are [[:Category:Video games based on comics]], [[:Category:Video games based on animated films]], [[:Category:Video games about raccoons]], [[:Category:Video games about reptiles]], [[:Category:Works about friendship]] and [[:Category:Video games set in Indiana]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' Merge? If so, merge targets?<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 00:47, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
::'''Keep''' and purge [[:Category:Over the Hedge]] of redundant entries. It helpfully diffuses a lot of categories, as Marcocapelle listed. [[User:QuietHere|QuietHere]] ([[User talk:QuietHere|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/QuietHere|contributions]]) 01:45, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' Thoughts on QuietHere's comment?<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 01:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
* Purging the parent category, per QuietHere, is the other possible way forward. We should default to that if there isn't going to be clarity and consensus about merging. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Summer camps in fiction ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''reverse merge''' the first, '''regular merge''' the second, '''keep''' the third. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 23:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Fiction about summer camps]] to [[:Category:Summer camps in fiction]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Summer camps in film]] to [[:Category:Summer camps in fiction]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Video games set in summer camps]] to [[:Category:Works set in summer camps]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category #1: Single-entry category that conflicts with its parent category. Category #2: Redundant category layer that only has a single subcategory. Category #3: Category containing only a single article. [[User:QuantumFoam66|QuantumFoam66]] ([[User talk:QuantumFoam66|talk]]) 01:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' Still retains the general idea of what we are trying to categorize. [[User:KConWiki|KConWiki]] ([[User talk:KConWiki|talk]]) 04:32, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
* <s>'''Merge''' per nom.</s> [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Reverse merge''' the first one - the order is incorrect as the target is the newer category and the one with the improper name. '''Merge''' the second one to [[:Category:Fiction about summer camps]] for similar reasons. '''Oppose''' the last one, I have populated the category enough for it to remain (largely from the TVTropes list). [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 15:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Support alternative''' by Zxcvbnm, "fiction about foo" is more clearly a defining characteristic than "foo in fiction". [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge all''' to [[:Category:Fiction about summer camps]] per Zxcvbnm. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 01:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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::'''Oppose 3''' per Zxcvbnm (I also added more entries to the category). '''Support''' the other two. [[User:QuietHere|QuietHere]] ([[User talk:QuietHere|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/QuietHere|contributions]]) 01:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
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::* Reply to [[User:QuietHere|QuietHere]]: Oppose what? I believe you're referring to all 3 categories except [[:Category:Video games set in summer camps]], not just all 3 of them. ::[[User:QuantumFoam66|QuantumFoam66]] ([[User talk:QuantumFoam66|talk]]) 02:45, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::*:3 meaning the third nomination, Video games set in summer camps into Works set in summer camps. I oppose that merger because the category has a sufficient number of entries now. I support the other two nominations. [[User:QuietHere|QuietHere]] ([[User talk:QuietHere|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/QuietHere|contributions]]) 03:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::*:* Ah ok, the rationale for merging the third category is no longer valid. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Comedy directors ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Category:American comedy film directors‎}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Category:British comedy film directors‎}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Category:Canadian comedy film directors‎}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Category:Parody film directors}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Category:Comedy film directors‎}} (Added subsequent to initial creation of CfD)

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' While we're talking about directors versus actors, I feel the same principles as those outlined in [[WP:PERFCAT]], and which resulted in the deletion of multiple "comedy actors" categories[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_4#Comedy_actors] may apply here. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 14:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose {{c|American comedy film directors}} & {{c|British comedy film directors}}''', which diffuse {{c|American film directors}} & {{c|British film directors}}, respectively. &nbsp;&nbsp;<b>~</b>&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span>&nbsp; 14:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
** '''Oppose any that facilitate diffusion''' &nbsp;&nbsp;<b>~</b>&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span>&nbsp; 16:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
* If these need to go, then the parent {{cl|Comedy film directors}} (which you ''haven't'' tagged as part of this) ''also'' needs to go. I'm not wedded to the need for it, but there's absolutely no argument to be had that the parent is fine and ''only'' the subcategories are a problem: if it's fine, then subcategories for countries with a large enough number of entries are ''automatically'' fair game under it, and there can be absolutely no serious argument that ''only'' the subcategories are a problem if the parent ''isn't''. There additionally can't be any serious argument that the US and the UK should get subcategories but Canada ''shouldn't'', either — national subcategories aren't applied on any basis more refined or subjective than "has enough entries to support one", so there can't be a serious argument that American and British directors should get subcategories while Canadian ones shouldn't. So either we need to delete the ''parent'' category ''as well'', or they all have to stay. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 14:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
*:With all due respect, I don't see any suggestion here that I might have simply overlooked the existence of some categories that should be included here. You're welcome to add those in if you feel they should be part of the conversation. Please [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]]. Do you have an argument other than, "Why are some categories included but related categories missing?" [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 14:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
*::With all due respect, the non-inclusion of directly related categories that are subject to the ''same'' issues as the included categories ''is'' a relevant and germane point in a CFD discussion. There's simply no reason why these should all be deleted at the same time as the parent {{cl|Comedy film directors}} being kept — if the parent is acceptable, then national subcategories for countries with a large-enough number of entries for them are ''inherently'' acceptable as well, and if the national subcategories aren't warranted then the parent category isn't warranted ''either'' — and any person in any of these categories could simply be ''readded'' to the parent category at will by any editor at any time, which would inevitably be followed by these categories getting ''recreated'' because the parent category had become large enough to need diffusion into subcategories again (which is the reason why these even exist in the first place: because the parent category existed and needed diffusion). So my point stands, and I will brook no further clapback about it — it's not ''my'' job to add related categories to this discussion, it's ''your'' job to either add the related category or explain why you think it's different. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 16:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
*:::How very collaborative of you. I'll add the additional categories shortly. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 16:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Comment''', [[WP:PERFCAT]] is about specific shows in which subjects participate. That is quite different than genre, which we are discussing here. Frankly I think diffusion by genre is more relevant than by location (which is also being done in this tree, at least in the US). [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
*:I guess I'm not sure I see the practical difference, in this case, regarding whether we're talking about categorizing actors by genre versus categorizing directors by genre? I realize categories are generally inclusive rather than exclusive (i.e. just because a director directed comedies and is categorized as such doesn't mean they didn't also direct in other film genres), but the same could be said about the actor categories as well. TL;DR why would "actors by genre" be bad but "directors by genre" not be bad? You say that PERFCAT is about specific shows, but in the CfD that I linked to the consensus appears to have been that genre does constitute a type of performance. I'm also, as I was with the prior CfD, concerned that we risk opening the door to creating multiple additional "Director by genre"-style categories. Is it really a [[WP:DEFCAT|defining characteristic]] in most cases (I'm genuinely asking here; my instinct is that most directors have directed films from various genres, but maybe I'm wrong)? ETA: I do see that we do have "Film directors by genre"...I'm going to keep the scope of this limited rather than make it all-inclusive at this time, as a test case. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 18:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed sexuality ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''no consensus'''. Thorough discussion, and unlikely a [[WP:RELIST]] will help. I will direct further conversation to [[Wikipedia talk:Categorizing articles about people#Proposed update to CATLGBT]] – and if that discussion results in consensus to keep that guidance, please feel free to re-file this CFD. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 22:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed sexuality}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' A newly created category that is a violation of the last paragraph of WP:CATLGBT, as well as inevitably leading to WP:NPOV and WP:NOTADVOCACY violations.
CATLGBT states, Categories that make allegations about sexuality—such as "closeted homosexuals" or "people suspected of being gay"—are not acceptable under any circumstances. If such a category is created, it should be immediately depopulated and deleted. 
Community consensus is clearly against such categories.
The existence of this category is an invitation for people to use it to claim as many historical figures as 'maybe homosexual' as possible. It will be a magnet for  OR, undue and fringe. A category that's very basis is that something about it's members is disputed cannot be defining. [[User:Golikom|Golikom]] ([[User talk:Golikom|talk]]) 01:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

:I think given the distinction between historical figures and BLP at least makes OP's critique problematic and the policy worth rethinking. However, I still have rather significant reservations about these categories as formulated at present—they seem overbroad and non-defining to a degree I feel is untenable. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">[[User:Remsense|<span style="color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>[[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="color:#fff">'''论'''</span>]]</span> 01:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::As the creator of this category, I understand the present complaints, and I have been careful to only apply this category to articles which discuss historical interpretations of a subject's sexuality to some considerable length. I think any article with a well-cited subsection or even separate article discussing theories surrounding a subject's sexuality would be worth considering in this category, but I fully understand how the category in it's current design and application could easily be overapplied and misappropriated. I don't believe the solution is deletion, rather it should be stricter enforcement of some standards to define terms like "ambiguous" and "disputed" and how those are separate from "fringe theories." I don't think the LGBT issue should apply here since, like you said, the category does not apply to BLP articles. However, the rule and it's current wording may need to be reassessed to be more specific. It's also worth considering that [[:Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed gender identity]] barely survived a deletion request for similar reasons. [[User:Rylee Amelia|Rylee Amelia]] ([[User talk:Rylee Amelia|talk]]) 02:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:::'''Lean delete'''. But you're not the only person who will use the category.  This category is going to be a mess to maintain.  [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 03:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:::'''Comment''' The temptation to speculate about the sexual orientation of historical figures leads people to suppose that that speculation is OK in an encyclopedia.  But looking at, for example, [[Sexuality of Abraham Lincoln]], what I see is that the lead section decisively dismisses the speculation:
:::{{blockquote|Mainstream historians generally hold that Lincoln was heterosexual, noting that the historical context explains any of the supposed evidence.}}
:::Then the remainder of the article, which is well beyond the stub level, discusses various theories that are fringe, or discredited, or whatever.
:::I realize that for some historical figures, the discussion of their sexuality has risen above fringe level.  But from this example, one can see that there is a strong tendency to promote "was he gay or wasn't he" to encyclopedia level just for the pleasure of idol-smashing. [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 16:29, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Consistent with long-term existence of [[:Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed gender identity]]. This category fills a conspicuous void. Where an article contains a well-cited discussion of the subject's sexuality ({{slink|Edward II of England| Piers Gaveston and sexuality}}, {{slink|Sappho|Sexuality}}) or there is enough weight in reliable sources for an entire sub-article ([[Sexuality of James VI and I]]), it is a disservice to the reader not to have that content reflected in the category structure to aid finding similar articles. This absolutely is defining (per [[WP:CATDEF]]) in that it is an aspect of these subjects that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to. I don't see any particular great difficulty in applying it. An article with a substantial, well-sourced subsection (or sub-article) discussing disputes or ambiguity over the article's sexuality is clearly in scope. We don't get rid of [[:Category:Mountains]] just because every hill could be argued to be a mountain. [[WP:CATLGBT]] should be updated as [[Wikipedia talk:Categorizing articles about people#Proposed update to CATLGBT|proposed here]] to remove its pejorative language and limit its application to BLPs.--[[User:Trystan|Trystan]] ([[User talk:Trystan|talk]]) 02:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

:If this is deleted so should [[:Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed gender identity]]. The rationale behind keeping/deleting both are the same. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 02:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. That category doesn't specify if one is gay/lesbian or bisexual, or another sexuality. Also, currently only the notable cases are in it, many of which "suspected" or "closeted" don't apply because most of them publicly lived this way without such words being [[Karl Maria Kertbeny|coined]]. But I could argue that some articles within it overlap with [[:Category:Sexuality of individuals]]. [[User:Web-julio|Web-julio]] ([[User talk:Web-julio|talk]]) 03:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::Another comment: doesn't the term ambiguous sexuality have another meaning? At least "sexually ambiguous" technically meant bisexual/asexual, androgynous/gnc/n-b, or intersex in the past. I think we can use [[mwot:ambiguous|synonyms]], such as [[mwot:questionable|questionable]], or [[mwot:dubious|dubious]]. [[User:Web-julio|Web-julio]] ([[User talk:Web-julio|talk]]) 05:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Comment''', it is a borderline defining characteristic. A list may be better than a category. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:29, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom.  The distinction between historical figures and BLP is relevant only to the first paragraph of [[WP:CATLGBT]].  Anyway, the last paragraph says this:
{{blockquote|Categories that make allegations about sexuality—such as "closeted homosexuals" or "people suspected of being gay"—are not acceptable under any circumstances. If such a category is created, it should be immediately depopulated and deleted. Note that as similar categories of this type have actually been attempted in the past, they may be speedily deleted (as a G4) and do not require another debate at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.}}
:Why is this not applicable?  Why shouldn't I just speedily delete?  Why is this discussion going on anyway, and why am I even in it?  [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 14:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::That guidance dates from an era when there was a much thinner consensus for any categories for LGBTQ people at all. I don't think it is overkill to have a discussion on the merits every couple decades or so (though participation is of course not mandatory). Given that there was no consensus three years ago to delete [[:Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed gender identity]], there is a significant question whether a broad interpretation of CATLGBT to long-dead figures still accurately reflects consensus.--[[User:Trystan|Trystan]] ([[User talk:Trystan|talk]]) 15:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:::The guidance actually dates from [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?diff=290718190&oldid=290572245&title=Wikipedia%3ACategorizing_articles_about_people 2009]. I have not found, and don't know where to look for, discussions that led to that guidance being added, or subsequent discussions of it on its merits. If you are claiming that it is outdated, the burden of proof is on you. 
:::Just looking at the population of the "disputed gender identity" category and this "disputed sexuality" category suggests that they are not closely comparable.  For example, disputed gender identity was certainly defining for [[James Barry (surgeon)]]; as pointed out in the early discussion of that category, it was a major contributor to his notability.  But the "disputed sexuality" category is full of celebrities:  Joan of Arc, Edward II, Leonardo da Vinci, Frederick the Great, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln, Alberto Santos-Dumont, J. Edgar Hoover, Adolf Hitler.  Ambiguous/disputed sexuality is defining for all these worthies?  For ''any'' of them? [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 01:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The coverage of the sexuality of, e.g., [[Edward II of England#Piers Gaveston and sexuality|Edward II]], [[Sexuality of Frederick the Great|Frederick the Great]], and [[Sexuality of James VI and I|James VI and I]] is substantial, well-sourced and [[WP:DUE]]. This is an aspect of those subjects that is commonly and consistently addressed by reliable sources, to the extent that the absence of a corresponding category would be a conspicuous deficiency. --[[User:Trystan|Trystan]] ([[User talk:Trystan|talk]]) 14:03, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::Not only that. If they were living today, they would be easily categorized as LGBTQ without any necessity for a "disputed category", even when they are anti-LGBTQ themselves, simply because they are in same-sex relationships, being immediately categorized as LGBTQ. [[User:Web-julio|Web-julio]] ([[User talk:Web-julio|talk]]) 06:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I agree with Trystan, this fills a void in the category system. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 12:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:French troubadours ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:French troubadours]] to [[:Category:Troubadours from France]]
:[[:Category:12th-century French troubadours]] to [[:Category:12th-century troubadours from France]]
:[[:Category:13th-century French troubadours]] to [[:Category:13th-century troubadours from France]]
:[[:Category:14th-century French troubadours]] to [[:Category:14th-century troubadours from France]]
:[[:Category:Spanish troubadours]] to [[:Category:Troubadours from Spain]]
:[[:Category:12th-century Spanish troubadours]] to [[:Category:12th-century troubadours from Spain]]
:[[:Category:13th-century Spanish troubadours]] to [[:Category:13th-century troubadours from Spain]]
:[[:Category:14th-century Spanish troubadours]] to [[:Category:14th-century troubadours from Spain]]
:[[:Category:Italian troubadours]] to [[:Category:Troubadours from Italy]]
:[[:Category:12th-century Italian troubadours]] to [[:Category:12th-century troubadours from Italy]]
:[[:Category:13th-century Italian troubadours]] to [[:Category:13th-century troubadours from Italy]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The [[troubadours]] wrote in [[Occitan]], not French (or Spanish or Italian). They are defined by the language they used. The current category names are confusing. The equivalent of a troubadour writing in French is a [[trouvère]]. The problem is the ambiguity of the terms "French", "Spanish" and "Italian". It is absolutely non-obvious that they are non-linguistic terms in cases like this where they modify a literary term like "troubadour". [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 01:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''. I don't think that its non-obvious that these are nationalities. The norm for FOOian occupation is nationality, not language. I think that it would be better to create a language tree. French-language [[:Category:14th-century Spanish troubadours|troubadours]] etc. or Category:12th-century French-language troubadours or something to that effect. And, frankly, I'd rather not have to rewrite the brand new  {{TL|Troubadours by nationality and century category header}} [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 03:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There are no French-language troubadours. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 03:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::::You know what the point I'm trying to make is. There are traveling poets etc in different languages. There's a category called Galician-Portuguese troubadours, that describes both the language and the occupation. That could be a full tree. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 23:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''', a troubadour wrote in Occitan, so obviously these must be nationality categories, there is no ambiguity about that. One might argue that it is a trivial intersection but a rename does not solve that. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
**That there is only one right way to read it does not mean it is unambiguous. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 20:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Criminals from Fort Lauderdale, Florida ====
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:* '''Propose splitting''' [[:Category:Criminals from Fort Lauderdale, Florida]] to [[:Category:Criminals from Florida]] and [[:Category:People from Fort Lauderdale, Florida]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Underpopulated category. There's no need to diffuse by city. I'm also ok with deletion. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 00:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Dual merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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