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=== September 25 ===
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==== Category:Fictional Greeks from the Ottoman Empire ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''merge'''<!-- Template:Cfd top -->. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 00:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

:* '''Propose splitting''' [[:Category:Fictional Greeks from the Ottoman Empire]] to [[:Category:Fictional Greek people]] and [[:Category:Fictional people from the Ottoman Empire]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Duel upmerge. This category only has one person in it, which isn't helpful for navigation. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 22:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom, although I am a bit hesitant about the [[:Category:Fictional people from the Ottoman Empire]] merge target. From what I read in the article, the story seems entirely unrelated to the Ottoman Empire. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Political organisations based in the Republic of Artsakh ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Political organisations based in the Republic of Artsakh]] to [[:Category:Politics of the Republic of Artsakh]] and [[:Category:Organisations based in the Republic of Artsakh]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''merge''', redundant category layer with only one subcategory. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBTQ issues]]. [[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#be33ff;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#ff33da;">Mississippi</span>]] 02:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues]] to [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBTQ issues]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per the recent renames following [[WP:CONSUB]] and [[WP:C2D]] per [[LGBTQ]]. This one is a user category, so I thought it would make sense to have a separate discussion. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 13:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''', I can't see a reason to name this category differently than in mainspace. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 16:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as nominated. Also the Wikiproject has now been renamed to [[WP:LGBTQ+]]. [[User:Raladic|Raladic]] ([[User talk:Raladic|talk]]) 03:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
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====Category:Tourist attractions in Salem====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4%23Category:Tourist attractions in Salem]]<!-- Template:Cfd relisted -->


==== Category:Public holidays in the Republic of Artsakh ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''delete'''<!-- Template:Cfd top -->. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 00:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Public holidays in the Republic of Artsakh}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''', but move [[Artsakh Revival Day]] directly under [[:Category:Culture of the Republic of Artsakh]]. Apart from this one article they are general Armenian public holidays. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Nazis from outside Germany ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''rename'''<!-- Template:Cfd top -->. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 00:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Nazis from outside Germany]] to [[:Category:Nazis by nationality]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' We don't tend to name categories by who is not in them. This is effectively Nazis by nationality, so we out to treat it that way [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 04:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Fictional giant planets ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''merge'''<!-- Template:Cfd top -->. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 00:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Fictional giant planets]] to [[:Category:Fictional planets]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' With only 2 planets so far, there does not appear to be a need for such overly-precise categorization. The idea of a "giant" planet seems to be an unclear and subjective metric as well.  [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 04:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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==== Members of the Chamber of Representatives of Belgium ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' as nominated. '''No consensus''' to merge. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 15:55, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Belgian deputies of the 48th legislature]] to [[:Category:Members of the 48th Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Belgian deputies of the 49th legislature]] to [[:Category:Members of the 49th Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Belgian deputies of the 50th legislature]] to [[:Category:Members of the 50th Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Belgian deputies of the 51st legislature]] to [[:Category:Members of the 51st Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Belgian deputies of the 52nd legislature]] to [[:Category:Members of the 52nd Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Belgian deputies of the 53rd legislature]] to [[:Category:Members of the 53rd Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Belgian deputies of the 54th legislature]] to [[:Category:Members of the 54th Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Belgian deputies of the 55th legislature]] to [[:Category:Members of the 55th Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Belgian deputies of the 56th legislature]] to [[:Category:Members of the 56th Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Belgium has a bicameral legislature. These categories are intended for members of the [[Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)|Chamber of Representatives]], the lower chamber. There are [[:Category:Members of the Senate (Belgium)|separate categories]] for members of the [[Senate (Belgium)|Senate]], the upper chamber. Using the term "legislature" in the category makes it ambiguous.[[Special:Contributions/Obi2canibe|Obi2canibe]] ([[User talk:Obi2canibe|talk)]] 20:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge all''' to [[:Category:Members of the Chamber of Representatives (Belgium)]], this is massive overcategorization. Have a look at e.g. [[Daniel Bacquelaine]].  [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' Merge?<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 01:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
* '''Comment''' In accordance with [[WP:DIFFUSE]], legislator categories are often [[:Category:Legislators by term|sub-categorised by term]] in order to prevent the parent category from becoming overpopulated. This can result in long serving legislators being included in several categories e.g. [[Jeremy Corbyn]] is included in 11 categories, [[Angela Merkel]] is included in 8 categories.--[[Special:Contributions/Obi2canibe|Obi2canibe]] ([[User talk:Obi2canibe|talk)]] 20:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:* Then better diffuse them by century, similar to what we do with politicians in general. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
:::How would that help overpopulation? We already have several hundred articles on English Wikipedia for Belgian MPs and this could potentially increase to [[:nl:Categorie:Belgisch volksvertegenwoordiger|more than 3,000 articles]]. Assuming an even distribution, that's 2,250 20th century members and 750 21st century members.--[[Special:Contributions/Obi2canibe|Obi2canibe]] ([[User talk:Obi2canibe|talk)]] 17:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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* We don't have 3000 articles and it may take dozens of years before we have that number, or maybe never. The problem that the articles are massively overcategorized is a problem of now. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
::You have picked an extreme example to illustrate your point but the fact is most MPs are only listed in a few categories and not over categorised. And you have ignored my comment from 17 September as to why its okay to have over categorisation in major countries like UK and Germany, but not smaller countries. If the categories are merged we will end up with a category that has several hundred articles immediately and that overpopulation will only continue to worsen.--[[Special:Contributions/Obi2canibe|Obi2canibe]] ([[User talk:Obi2canibe|talk)]] 15:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:People from the State of Palestine ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep''' but '''purge'''. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 19:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:People from the State of Palestine]] to [[:Category:Palestinian people]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' My [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 9#Category:Palestinian people|previous proposal to disambiguate]] was closed due to a lack of consensus, with some reasonable arguments referencing the millions of Palestinians in the diaspora who are not from the State of Palestine. Therefore, I propose a merge. No other country makes a distinction similar to that between {{cat|French people}} and {{cat|people from France}}. [[User:Sakakami|Sakakami]] ([[User talk:Sakakami|talk]]) 06:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
* My first instinct was to oppose, but after seeing which subcategories are in each of these two categories (with a considerable amount of overlap) I rather tend to support. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Procedurally oppose.''' The last discussion was closed ''yesterday''. And none of the contributors were pinged. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 20:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*::@[[User:Web-julio|Web-julio]], @[[User:Namiba|Namiba]] pinging all contributors to the previous discussion. [[User:Sakakami|Sakakami]] ([[User talk:Sakakami|talk]]) 21:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*:::'''Oppose'''. But I agree with Marco that it needs purging. [[User:Web-julio|Web-julio]] ([[User talk:Web-julio|talk]]) 22:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*::This is a completely different proposal than [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 9#Category:Palestinian people]]. [[User:Sakakami|Sakakami]] ([[User talk:Sakakami|talk]]) 21:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*:::If it were completely different, why did you literally cite it as the rationale for this proposal? [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 10:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
*::::In a way, this proposal is the opposite of the September 9 proposal to disambiguate {{cat|Palestinian people}}. Here, I am suggesting a merge into {{cat|Palestinian people}}. Do you have any substantial feedback on the content of the proposal, rather than just a procedural opposition? [[User:Sakakami|Sakakami]] ([[User talk:Sakakami|talk]]) 15:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' If kept, purge? Still no consensus to keep or merge, however.<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 04:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
* If kept, purge for sure, in order to reduce the overlap. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
* @[[User:Web-julio|Web-julio]], @[[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] why don't you support treating Palestine the same as other countries? Yes, it has a large diaspora, but many other nations also have large diasporas. Moreover, many subcategories within [[:Category:People from the State of Palestine]] already include diaspora members and therefore belong under [[:Category:Palestinian people]] tree. Even if such a distinction is warranted (which I don't believe it is, as other nationalities are not distinguished in this way), the current approach seems inconsistent. --[[User:Sakakami|Sakakami]] ([[User talk:Sakakami|talk]]) 14:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Sakakami|Sakakami]] Where did I say ''anything'' about the merits of the subject matter? I raised procedural concerns, as well as issues about how quickly you're effectively reviving a discussion. I don't see how this CFD is going to close any differently from the last one as no consensus. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 22:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
*:I didn't say anything about other nationalities/countries, I barely engaged in such discussions, and I'm not Wikipedia nor I accept everything Wikipedia does. [[User:Web-julio|Web-julio]] ([[User talk:Web-julio|talk]]) 02:03, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:20th-century disestablishments in East Germany ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|20th-century disestablishments in East Germany}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|20th-century establishments in East Germany}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|20th-century disestablishments in West Germany}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|20th-century establishments in West Germany}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''', duplicate of [[:Category:Disestablishments in East Germany by decade]] because the entire history of East Germany stayed within the 20th century. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 16:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*'''comment''' it does seem redundant, but maybe it is simply for formal reasons, {{lc|20th-century disestablishments  in Germany}}. 
:* No, there is no formal reason, [[:Category:20th-century disestablishments in Czechoslovakia]] does not exist either. At most we may keep them as redirects. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Marcocapelle}} By the way, what would you suggest about confusing forking of [[:category:20th-century disestablishments  in West Germany]] vs. [[:category:20th-century disestablishments  in Germany]]? 
*:For example, compare [[:Category:1950 disestablishments in Germany]] and [[:Category:1950 disestablishments in West Germany]]. Or maybe I miss something. --[[user:Altenmann|Altenmann]] [[user talk:Altenmann|>talk]] 20:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*::P.S. Maybe it is [[West Berlin]]?  --[[user:Altenmann|Altenmann]] [[user talk:Altenmann|>talk]] 20:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*::* That is odd indeed. I would expect Germany to contain two subcategories, East and West. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
* I have added three siblings one day later. The West German categories weren't even part of the tree of West Germany. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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::I think leaving a redirect might save some headaches. But that's my only opinion. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 22:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Naval mines by type ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Naval mines by type]] to [[:Category:Naval mines]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' I don't see why we need to isolate naval mines from the core category. This doesn't help navigation [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 03:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. If kept, at least rename to [[:Category:Types of naval mines]] since this is not a container category. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Naval mines of Finland ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Naval mines of Finland]] to [[:Category:Naval mines]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Naval mines of the United Kingdom]] to [[:Category:Naval mines]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Naval mines by country]] to [[:Category:Naval mines]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Upmerge this category. Its currently isolated, and two of the child categories are underpopulated {{clc|Naval mines of Finland‎}} {{clc|Naval mines of the United Kingdom‎ }} [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 03:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Elite 11 participants ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 14:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Elite 11 participants}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' This is a high school football competition. It is a [[WP:NONDEF|non-defining characteristic]] [[User:Namiba]] 20:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' - A list of participants on the main article ([[Elite 11]]) exists, making this a defining category. It being limited to high school players shouldn't be the only argument for deletion as it is a national competition by invite only. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 20:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Taking part in this competition is a minor part of any player's career. It would definitely not be suitable for an introduction and sources do not consistently refer to it. Per [[WP:NONDEF]], "a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having. For example: "Subject is an adjective noun ..." or "Subject, an adjective noun, ...". If such examples are common, each of adjective and noun may be deemed to be "defining" for subject.
if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead section of an article (regardless of whether it is currently mentioned in the lead), it is probably not defining;
if the characteristic falls within any of the forms of overcategorization mentioned on this page, it is probably not defining."--[[User:Namiba]]
* '''Delete''', trivial characteristic of anyone's career. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' per Marcocapelle. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 00:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Former objects ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Former objects]] to [[:Category:Former entities]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Would it be correct to call these "former objects"? After all, a mine being shut down doesn't make it disappear, and being smashed into a million pieces doesn't remove something from existence. I don't think this category makes that much sense, and is heavily overlapping either way, so it should be merged.  [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 12:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
* '''Leaning support''', the content of the category is a hodgepodge. But the target already has 50+ subcategories, I wish we could find some way of structuring it. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' as a somewhat helpful diffusion of the parent. I have diffused a few other sub-cats of that parent but it is indeed a mixture. {{cat|Former business entities}} (or similar) could hold {{c|Defunct brands}}, {{c|Former corporate subsidiaries by company‎}}, {{c|Former dual-listed companies‎}}, {{c|Former government-owned companies}}, {{c|Former joint ventures}}, {{c|Defunct companies}}, {{c|Defunct record labels}}. [[:Category:People by former status]] might be useful for biography categories, but I only noticed {{c|Former members of organizations‎}}, {{c|Former billionaires}} and {{c|Former slaves}} that would go there.  – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 09:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
:* Thank you, I created {{cat|Former business entities}}. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 14:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
::some of the items in former objects probably should not be there. a mine is not an object, its a geographical or even geological feature, not an object. its a structure of sorts. however, i still stand by this as my effort to create broader and broader categories up to  the most basic categories on WP. maybe cull some categories out of it. [[User:Mercurywoodrose|Mercurywoodrose]] ([[User talk:Mercurywoodrose|talk]]) 22:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' The possible problems with the mine example aside, I agree with the nomination insofar as these here do not stop ''being objects'' as such, ''but'' they are no longer the ''type of object'' they once were. So the category makes sense in this regard. I can't think of a better title which describes this 100% accurately ''and'' remains concise at the same time, so I would tend to keep it as a helpful organizational tier as described by {{u|Fayenatic london}}. [[:Category:People by former status]] likewise seems a good idea to have. [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 08:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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*'''Comment''' {{ping|Daranios}} {{ping|Fayenatic london}} {{ping|Marcocapelle}} Would renaming to [[:Category:Destroyed objects]] be sufficient to you? It reinforces the fact that they technically "exist" but are not in their former shape or form. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 07:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
:* It would not fit periodicals or supernovae. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::*Unfortunately that would also not fit [[:Category:Former landfills]] and similar cases. If this was purely a container category, I guess renaming it to [[:Category:Objects by former type]] would be a correct designation... [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 10:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::**[[User:Daranios|Daranios]]: sorry, I wouldn't consider that an improvement either. That name suggests to me that it's for objects that have changed from one type to another. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::***{{re|Fayenatic london}} Yeah, probably. I was looking for an analogous phrasing to the [[:Category:People by former status]] you suggested. Maybe you can think of anything? [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 12:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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==== Category:Saint Paul Seminary School of Divinity alumni ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Saint Paul Seminary alumni]] as unopposed. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 00:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Saint Paul Seminary School of Divinity alumni]] to [[:Category:Saint Paul Seminary alumni]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The [[Saint Paul Seminary|seminary]] no longer uses the School of Divinity title in its name or branding and has not for the past several years.~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]<sup>[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]</sup> 19:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
* Please tag the category page. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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====Category:Toxic enzymes====
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