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* [[Communities That Care]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl:Communities That Care|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl:Communities That Care|diff=0}} last edit])</span> from [http://www.colorado.edu/cspv/publications/factsheets/blueprints/FS-BPP21.pdf]. I'm not certain whether this articles is a problem or not. Because it is a program of the United States Government the wording may be from something in the public domain? I have not tagged the article itself. <span style="color:purple;">✤</span> [[User:JonHarder|JonHarder]] <sup>[[User talk:JonHarder|talk]]</sup> 21:01, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
:*Well, I'm looking at this one, and complicated the matter here is that the pdf is dated to 2009, while the content was added here in 2008. I've found similar content on several other websites; [http://rpscolorado.org/ctc_planning.htm one official site] in Colorado acknowledges us as the source. Others clearly postdate us. The governmental page, meanwhile, is [https://preventionplatform.samhsa.gov/Macro/CSAP/dss_portal/Templates_redesign/start.cfm  not loading]. I am inclined to think that, since we evidently postdate the pdf, we should presume this one is okay, but perhaps note the complication at the article's talk page. Before closing, though, I'd like to get other feedback. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 18:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
::*My only concern would be that the article could copy from an older document replaced by the 2009 document. That the PDF is formatted better than the wikipedia article - insofar as the relevant words are concerned - would suggest to me that the article is a copy of the PDF or an earlier version of it. An earlier but different looking article article created by a different account (but apparently the same person[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Preventionbetterthancure&oldid=250299062]) was G12'd. The current version was worked on in userspace before being moved to the mainspace. It was worked on extensively in userspace, but what stands out is the original large dump of text.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Preventionbetterthancure&oldid=253039594] --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 20:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:::*Hmm. Those are good causes of concern. :/ In cases like this, I usually follow the "If in doubt, write the content yourself, thereby creating a new copyrighted work which can be included in Wikipedia without trouble" provision (I've rewritten a good many articles), but generally the articles have been blanked before I've done so. I feel like rewriting for copyright concerns is an admin action, and I prefer to let "regular" editing deal with it before I do that. Since the contributor isn't around much, do you think the content should be blanked to let them have a shot at it, or do you think I should go ahead, given reasonable doubt? Your opinion would be much appreciated. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 13:14, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
::::*I think blanking it for a week and relisting it here would be the better, and potentially MRG-time-saving approach. It averages 20 page-views a day so chances are the writer or someone interested might notice.--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 19:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::*From my talk page:
{{quotation|Hello, Moonriddengirl,

This is Preventionbetterthancure, the author of the article about Communities That Care.

Thanks for your note about the copyright issues.  If I understand correctly, the copyright issue is because the Blueprints for Violence Prevention website now has a PDF summary of Communities That Care posted on their website.  Since I wrote the article, CTC has been found to be effective in an experimental, controlled trial in 24 communities.  Blueprints has subsequently reviewed the research and has decided to declare CTC as one of its 'promising' programs.  Hence their post.  I think if you review the article I wrote about CTC, you won't find exactly the same language between the Wiki article and the Blueprints PDF.

CTC is in the public domain, and CSAP (Center for Substance Abuse Prevention) of the US Govt officially owns all the CTC manuals and materials.  They had posted those materials on their website, but have recently revised their website and in so doing (temporarily) lost the link to the CTC materials.  The materials can temporarily be found at www.communitiesthatcare.org.

I hope this explanation is sufficient to have you remove the block on the article!  It is encouraging to me to see from your comments that there are 20 page views per day, telling me that at least some people out there in communities trying to do something to help their youth are looking for info about CTC.

Please let me know if this explanation is not sufficient, and I will see what I can do.  thanks very much,
[[User:Preventionbetterthancure|Preventionbetterthancure]] ([[User talk:Preventionbetterthancure|talk]]) 01:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)}}

:*[[Image:Pictogram voting support.svg|20px]] '''No copyright concern.''' Material PD or appropriately licensed for use. It is difficult to follow the intricate net of connections for CTC. Relevant material appears to be hosted on an university website, stuff is cross-linked but the trails are somewhat flimsy. Clearing this for now but I would urge the editor of the material to ensure with CTC's webmaster that the appropriate notices and US government affiliation be clearly indicated in all relevant places to avoid any future issues of the same nature. --[[User:MLauba|MLauba]] ''<sup>'''('''[[User talk:MLauba|Talk]]''')'''</sup>'' 17:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
* [[:Aftermath of World War II]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Aftermath of World War II|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Aftermath of World War II|diff=0}} last edit])</span> from http://books.google.com/books?ei=Xe4ATdmgFoG78gbKlOjkBw&ct=result&id=veATAQAAIAAJ&dq=Stan+Winer&q=offer+the+best+means+for+destabilising+the+Soviet+Union. In reviewing some comments by Communicat on [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard]], I found that his comments were drawn directly from Winer's book, ''Between the Lies''. So, I decided to check some of the text he'd added to articles and it looks like a copyright violation in this one and, I worry, perhaps several more. --[[User:Habap|Habap]] ([[User talk:Habap|talk]]) 15:09, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
**I endorse Habap's comments, but it should be noted that this is related to an ongoing ArbCom case (see [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II/Evidence#Communicat has plagiarized and violated copyright on materials from Stan Winer]] and [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II/Workshop#Request for immediate investigation of COPYVIO]] [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) 07:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
*** Communicat has the express permission of copyright holder to use material from the book in wikipedia articles. The filing party has failed/neglected to contact the copyright holder for confirmation or clarification in this regard, despite having earlier been advised by me to do so. The filing party knows the contact details of the copyright holder. [[User:Communicat|Communicat]] ([[User talk:Communicat|talk]]) 14:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
****I was never advised to contact the copyright holder before I noticed the extensive copying of Winer's work by Communicat. If you insist on claiming that I was advised to do so, please provide a link, otherwise, I request that you withdraw your allegation. --[[User:Habap|Habap]] ([[User talk:Habap|talk]]) 16:05, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
*****I'd also like to point out that it's not the job of other editors to confirm whether you do or don't have permission to copy material, it's your (Communicat's) responsibility to provide verifiable evidence that you do. That's why we have [[Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials]]. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 16:15, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
******Edward321 and I have identified and removed all sentences that were plagiarized from Winer from the article. Unfortunately, the article now lacks for information in a great number of areas and may be unbalanced. --[[User:Habap|Habap]] ([[User talk:Habap|talk]]) 17:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px]] '''Article cleaned''' by investigator or others. No remaining infringement. CCI opened to address other articles. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
* [[:Charles Bergstresser]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Charles Bergstresser|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Charles Bergstresser|diff=0}} last edit])</span> from http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F6081EF63D5D15738DDDAB0A94D1405B838EF1D3 I don't have access to the NYT archives to check. [[User:Shoy|shoy]] <small>([[User talk:Shoy|reactions]])</small> 17:31, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px]] '''Article cleaned''' by investigator or others. No remaining infringement. I can't see the source, either, but I've rewritten just in case. Just as well, since it was unsourced. Now it's not. And I've corrected the man's date of death. I don't think if his death was reported on 9/22/1923 that he died on 9/23/1923. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 22:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
* [[:Wanna-Ben]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Wanna-Ben|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Wanna-Ben|diff=0}} last edit])</span> Intro seems ok, but episode descriptions are from from http://www.tv3.co.nz/Shows/Comedy/WannaBen/EpisodeRecaps/tabid/1332/Default.aspx. [[User:Dramatic|dramatic]] ([[User talk:Dramatic|talk]]) 18:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px]] '''Article cleaned''' by investigator or others. No remaining infringement.  --[[User:MLauba|MLauba]] ''<sup>'''('''[[User talk:MLauba|Talk]]''')'''</sup>'' 11:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
* [[:Ben Uri Gallery]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Ben Uri Gallery|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Ben Uri Gallery|diff=0}} last edit])</span> from http://www.benuri.org.uk/History.htm. Straight copy of text from the museum's own website, apparently done by an official account for the museum itself, a complete unwikified replacement of our previous article. [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|talk]]) 20:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px]] '''Article cleaned''' by investigator or others. No remaining infringement.  --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
* [[:ICES - International Cultural Exchange Services]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::ICES - International Cultural Exchange Services|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::ICES - International Cultural Exchange Services|diff=0}} last edit])</span> from http://www.icesusa.org/exchange-program/about-us. OTRS pending. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 23:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px]] '''OTRS Ticket received''', article now licensed and compatible with [[WP:CC-BY-SA|CC-BY-SA]].  [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 04:48, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
* [[:Philip Rieff]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Philip Rieff|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Philip Rieff|diff=0}} last edit])</span> from http://www.ufppc.org/book-notes-mainmenu-36/3608-books-philip-rieff-advocate-of-inactivism-returns-to-print-but-whats-the-point.html. Nomination completed by [[User:VWBot|VWBot]] ([[User talk:VWBot|talk]]) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px]] '''Article cleaned''' by investigator or others. No remaining infringement.  --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:14, 18 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
* [[:Chuck Wolfe]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Chuck Wolfe|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Chuck Wolfe|diff=0}} last edit])</span> from http://offbroadway.broadwayworld.com/printcolumn.php?id=124864. Nomination completed by [[User:VWBot|VWBot]] ([[User talk:VWBot|talk]]) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[Image:Out of date clock icon.svg|20px]] '''User was not notified''', relisting under today's entry.  --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
* [[:Sugar pie]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Sugar pie|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Sugar pie|diff=0}} last edit])</span> Copied and pasted. [[User:VWBot|VWBot]] ([[User talk:VWBot|talk]]) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[File:Pictogram voting question.svg|20px]] '''No source found'''; copy-paste tag removed and cv-unsure tag placed at article talk.  --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 02:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
* [[:Bob Wieckowski]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Bob Wieckowski|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Bob Wieckowski|diff=0}} last edit])</span> Copied and pasted. [[User:VWBot|VWBot]] ([[User talk:VWBot|talk]]) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px]] '''Article cleaned''' by investigator or others. No remaining infringement.  --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 02:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
* [[:Vangiya Sahitya Parishad]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Vangiya Sahitya Parishad|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Vangiya Sahitya Parishad|diff=0}} last edit])</span> Close paraphrase of http://www.banglapedia.org/httpdocs/HT/V_0016.HTM. [[User:VWBot|VWBot]] ([[User talk:VWBot|talk]]) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px]] '''Article cleaned''' by investigator or others. No remaining infringement.  --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 02:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
* [[:Heidolph]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Heidolph|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Heidolph|diff=0}} last edit])</span> Close paraphrase. [[User:VWBot|VWBot]] ([[User talk:VWBot|talk]]) 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:*I've removed some egregious from this, but there's a lot more borderline. Needs more careful review than I can give it now. I suspect permission is plausible, since the images have clearance. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 02:58, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:*[[Image:Pictogram voting wait red.svg|20px]] '''[[Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials|Permission plausible]]''' Article relisted under today.  --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:01, 18 December 2010 (UTC)<br>
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* [[:Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Communism sources]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Communism sources|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Communism sources|diff=0}} last edit])</span> Quote farm from variety of copyrighted sources. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 18:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:*{{question}} I'm not so sure most of these really violate [[WP:NFCC]] - I believe in this case we're in the realm of "brief textual excerpts". We're also not in article space, so I'm less fussed about having a page made entirely of quotes from other works, in particular since they are all attributed. However, all three seem to be long time storage for PoV or preferred version reasons. I'm inclined to send them all to MfD actually, but would like other opinions here. [[User:MLauba|MLauba]] ''<sup>'''('''[[User talk:MLauba|Talk]]''')'''</sup>'' 11:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::*Some of these quotes are long enough that I would clean them up in article space on the basis of [[WP:NFC]]. Moreover, while they may be collected for the purposes of scholarship, their use in general is not [[transformation (law)|transformative]]. I'm afraid that their "fair use" defense is even thinner than quotes in article space. :/ While we do allow quotes (as opposed to other non-free content) outside of article space, I don't think we can allow quotes to be used in a way that we would not permit in an article. I think they need to be deleted. But since there is some dissent here and since this involves several pages, I'll seek a fourth opinion. (Have asked [[User:Dcoetzee]] to weigh in.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 23:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:::*For some of my previous comments leading up to the blanking you can read [[User talk:BoogaLouie#Big warning]] if you wish. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 02:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
::::* This is really tough. Looking closely at it, it appears to contain a limited amount of information from any one source, at most a few paragraphs. A few extensively quoted books have had many excerpts paraphrased. Moreover, if the excerpts are indeed being used in an ongoing discussion involving editorial decisions, I would find it very difficult to delete the content; as a practical matter, it would be difficult to engage in discussions regarding sources without access to those sources. On the other hand, WP:NFC does not presently contain any special exception for non-free content being used in an ongoing editorial discussion. As an alternative, we might choose to delete the content and ask the editors to exchange source content along private channels such as the e-mail feature only. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] 10:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::*Regarding your last point: the page content has already been duplicated on publicly viewable Google Docs (see the conversation at BoogaLouie's talk). [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 13:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::*It may be a [[fait accompli]] at this point, as [[User:SchuminWeb]] G12ed them. Obviously, they didn't meet [[WP:CSD#G12]], but as I was of the opinion that they were unretainable, I'm not myself inclined to argue. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 13:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
* [[:Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Mosaddeq domestic issues]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Mosaddeq domestic issues|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Mosaddeq domestic issues|diff=0}} last edit])</span> Quote farm from variety of copyrighted sources. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 18:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:* See above. [[User:MLauba|MLauba]] ''<sup>'''('''[[User talk:MLauba|Talk]]''')'''</sup>'' 11:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::*Ditto. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
* [[:Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Mosaddeq's behavior sources]] <span class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl::Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Mosaddeq's behavior sources|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl::Talk:1953 Iranian coup d'état/Mosaddeq's behavior sources|diff=0}} last edit])</span> Quote farm from variety of copyrighted sources. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 18:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:* See above. [[User:MLauba|MLauba]] ''<sup>'''('''[[User talk:MLauba|Talk]]''')'''</sup>'' 11:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::*Ditto. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)