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* '''[[:Ian Erix]]''' – '''Delete closure endorsed'''. ([[WP:NACD|NAC]]) – [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust, B.Ed.]] [[User talk:Armbrust|<sup style="color:#E3A857;">WrestleMania XXVIII</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|<sub style="color:#008000;">The Undertaker 20–0</sub>]] 08:11, 21 June 2012 (UTC) <!--*-->
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:{{DRV links|Ian Erix}} ([[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 March 9|DRV#1]])
Significant new information has come to light since the deletion.

Hello. I would like to kindly ask community permission and help for restoring an article. I've noticed that the deletion was made a long while ago back in February 2011 and today I reached out to the closer of the deletion and I was advised to post here. The article is about a recording artist called Ian Erix and when I recently joined Wikipedia to build him a page I saw that it had once been deleted so before I went forward I wanted to make sure it was okay to write something new. I read most of the deletion comments and there is a lot of new information since this article was deleted. Ian Erix was signed to a major record label IDMG Scandinavia (Island Def Jam) and his music video is currently in the YouTube Top 100 chart for the week of June 5th. Also, his music video charted at #7 on the VEVO World Music Charts and he was play listed nationally on MTV and on radio stations in many countries + his music video has been viewed more than 5 million times on YouTube so far. I think all this and the other stuff about his career should qualify him more than enough to have an article. Can you please give me the permission to write something fair and balanced without it getting deleted? Thank you [[User:Urbanturn300|Urbanturn300]] ([[User talk:Urbanturn300|talk]]) 01:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' - One reference is: {{cite news |title=Brazilian city hosts world's largest New Year's Eve party|url=http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=457944&CategoryId=14090 |newspaper=[[Latin American Herald Tribune]] |date=January 1, 2012 |accessdate=June 13, 2012}} -- [[User:Uzma Gamal|Uzma Gamal]] ([[User talk:Uzma Gamal|talk]]) 06:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
*: Not sure I understand that. so I'm probably being dense. The relevant part seems to be ''"“I come from New York. I was at parties in Asia, Europe and Oceania, but nobody organizes a New Year’s party like Rio de Janeiro,” Ian Erix, a representative of World Travel Guild, said after witnessing the gigantic fireworks display of some 22,000 individual fireworks."''. Is that the same person? It seems pretty trivial and as a claim to notability, I can't see working for WTG or being at parties amounts to much. --[[Special:Contributions/62.254.139.60|62.254.139.60]] ([[User talk:62.254.139.60|talk]]) 06:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I didn't know that I was supposed to put references here but if you want something to prove he is notable then here are links to him in the official YouTube Top 100 Chart. His video is number #90 amongst all major label stars [[http://www.youtube.com/charts/videos_views/music?d=20120605]] Also, here is a link to his video and an exclusive interview with him that is being featured on MTV Brazil[[http://mtv.uol.com.br/musica/artistas/ian-erix]] . Also, I researched the reference article that the other user mentioned above and that article is talking about him but because the translation issues that occurred when the Portuguese media reported on this it is not as clear as it should be but Ian Erix appeared on stage in Rio De Janeiro with David Guetta on New Years Eve. There are pictures and other stories online if you type in Ian Erix reveillon. He was an official celebrity presenter and gave an award to Brazil for making the best New Years Eve Party in the World. He performed on stage that night in front of millions and one line of his speech from that night has been quoted in many articles and was used as part of a front page story on all Brazilian newspapers and many other newspapers and publications around Latin America. Here is a more clear article about it in English. [[http://www.pressreleasepoint.com/rio-de-janeiro-awarded-world039s-greatest-new-year039s-celebration]] [[User:Urbanturn300|Urbanturn300]] ([[User talk:Urbanturn300|talk]]) 07:37, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

*'''Endorse and speedy close'''. After the [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|sockflood]] accompanying [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Erix|the original AFD]] and [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 March 9|DRV]], the appearance of a new [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|SPA]] pushing the same claptrap isn't promising. A lone news reference to somebody working in [[Public relations|PR]] doesn't contribute anything to notability. There's not even anything here showing it's the same guy. I remember the hassling over the original awful article, and there's no point in wasting time going through that again. [[User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|Hullaballoo Wolfowitz]] ([[User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|talk]]) 16:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

*'''Endorse close''' - VEVO World Music and Youtube charts? [[Meh]], not even with spitting distance of the [[WP:GNG]] or [[Wikipedia:MUSBIO|Music Bio]]. This is typical with fringe musicians, a gaggle of fans come to try squeeze blood from the notability stone. [[User:Tarc|Tarc]] ([[User talk:Tarc|talk]]) 16:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' To be perfectly honest I am new to Wikipedia and I don't understand most of the abbreviations listed above and I didn't know that I had to put all kinds of links here to prove my case but I will put some now since I guess I should. It sounds to me like you guys above that said to endorse close are not being fair really because maybe you don't know Ian Erix and think he isn't notable but to young people like me and there are a LOT of us he is VERY notable and I read some of the guidelines for musicians on Wikipedia and it says that he meets a lot of the criteria to be included here without a problem. First of all, he has been play listed on major radio stations around the world. One example in the USA is 106.7 KROQ which is one of the biggest Modern Rock stations in Los Angeles. They have been playing his new song and here is a link to it on their official website[[http://kroq.radio.com/music-videos/Ian+Erix/Sex,+Dance+and+Rock+%26+Roll/DKCE51299906]] Also, his music videos have been in the Featured Playlist natioanlly at MTV. Here is a link to MTV Asia proving that: [[http://www.mtvasia.com/music/artists/ian-erix/videos/]] So whether or not you know of this guy personally or like him or don't or whatever from what I read at [[WP:Band]] he does meet several of the guidelines. # 11 says "Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network." Those links above prove that. Also, according to All Music Guide [[http://www.allmusic.com/artist/ian-erix-mn0001535447]] he also meets requirement #2 that says "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart". Plus I think it also should help that he is mentioned in hundreds of credible newspaper articles in relation to his appearance as a celebrity musical ambassador for the world travel guild in Brazil on New Years Eve(Check Google for Ian Erix Reveillon and you will see many newspapers and magazines articles about it) He is pictured here at left on the stage in front of 2.5 million people in Copacabana Beach, Brazil giving the award to the city and to Brazil's Secretary of Tourism and he is talked about in the article as well. [[http://www.jornaldeturismo.com.br/noticias/riodejaneiro/44214-reveillon-da-praia-de-copacabana-recebe-premio-internacional]] Also, the user above seems to make fun of the YouTube and VEVO Charts but these charts are respected in the music industry and they are national and international charts that represent the most popular videos and artists in today's pop culture. That is a true fact and I think that the fact that Ian Erix has been at the top of both the YouTube and VEVO charts, at #1 on YouTube in some countries and Top 10 worldwide, that in itself should absolutely be significant enough to be taken into consideration too. [[User:Urbanturn300|Urbanturn300]] ([[User talk:Urbanturn300|talk]]) 20:07, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:*To try and address a few of your points here. The abbreviations generally are linked to articles which explain them. Material being referenced to third party sources is essential, since that is the very essence of the encyclopedia, if we can't reference the material, then it can't be here. As such it really doesn't matter it people here don't know him, nor does it matter that you believe a lot of people think he's notable, what does matter is the third party coverage in reliable sources. The links to MTV or KROQ as far as I can see don't show him being in "[[rotation]] nationally". That would mean they are regularly playing the single several times throughout a day. KROQ as you say isn't a national station so the "nationally" part can't be met. The MTV stuff shows very low view counts (for me at least) and seems to be "MTV Sessions" for showcasing new "talent", rather than being shown in rotation on the station. I can't easily evaluate the allmusic bio, the same bio appears elsewhere so it's not that clear if it's promotional puff or has more substance. The article on the Brazilian award seems similar to the previous English link and is just a passing mention, and doesn't really amount to much. In my experience VEVO and YouTube tend not to be considered too compelling here, and number of views there aren't part of the [[WP:BAND]] guidelines. I'm not saying he doesn't meet the notability guidelines, merely that what's been presented so far isn't clearly showing that. --[[Special:Contributions/62.254.139.60|62.254.139.60]] ([[User talk:62.254.139.60|talk]]) 21:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

:*Urbanturn300 - I linked some of the above abbreviations so you can follow up on them. The short answer is that Wikipedia is a publication that merely conveys information in the form of text. That text merely is a summary of what others have already written outside of Wikipedia. If other's outside of Wikipedia have not written enough about Ian Erix, then there's not enough to summarize within Wikipedia. Now, the writings outside of Wikipedia that are used within Wikipedia are not from fan sites or material that has a connection to Ian Erix (his website, public relations writings, etc.). There must be enough coverage in [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] external to Wikipedia that are [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]] of Ian Erix to maintain a stand alone article within Wikipedia. See [[WP:GNG]].<br>Your initial request above is asking Wikipedia to reward Ian Erix with a Wikipedia article for: {{quote|text="signed to a major record label IDMG Scandinavia (Island Def Jam) and his music video is currently in the YouTube Top 100 chart for the week of June 5th. Also, his music video charted at #7 on the VEVO World Music Charts and he was play listed nationally on MTV and on radio stations in many countries + his music video has been viewed more than 5 million times on YouTube so far."}} While impressive, a Wikipedia article is not a reward. If [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] external to Wikipedia that are [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]] of Ian Erix haven't written enough text about these accomplishments, then Wikipedia doesn't have enough material to work with to summarize that external text into a Wikipedia article. In other words, it's not a matter of Ian Erix's success, it's a matter of third parties not connected to Ian Erix caring enough to make the editorial decision to write about him and his life in their publication. While there are plenty of people who enjoy Ian Erix's success, no one cares enough to write about it. Wikipedia and Ian Erix have no control over what [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] choose to publish and that is a main reason why Wikipedia uses the [[WP:GNG]] standard "coverage in [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that are [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]] of the subject" to determine whether there should be a stand alone article on a given topic. On top of that, Ian Erix fan(s) came to Wikipedia before you and posted at the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Erix|the original AFD]] and [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 March 9|DRV]] using prohibited techniques such as [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|sock puppetry]] to try to get a consensus to keep the Ian Erix article in Wikipedia. That's not a good thing as it produces reactions that are hostile to allowing an article on Ian Erix within Wikipedia. So now, not only does [[WP:GNG]] have to be met before there will be a Ian Erix article in Wikipedia, Wikipedians will need to be convinced that having an article on Ian Erix won't bring a flood of Ian Erix fans to Wikipedia to violate Wikipedia's processes. If you want, you can develop a draft article in your user space at [[User:Urbanturn300/Ian Erix]] and post another request at Wikipedia:Deletion review once the draft is complete and ask that the draft be move to [[Wikipedia:Main namespace|article space]]. -- [[User:Uzma Gamal|Uzma Gamal]] ([[User talk:Uzma Gamal|talk]]) 14:42, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

*'''Endorse''' per above. Single purpose accounts, and very dubious notability. Original decision was correct, the previous DRV discussion was correct, and I do not think that the community has made a grievous mistake twice. Wikipedia does not exist for Mr. Erix to promote himself or his work, and the sockpuppet army's time would probably be better spent elsewhere. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] <sup>([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])</sup> 14:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC).

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