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= February 4 =

== Naming/page history issue ==
{{Resolved|1=Copy/paste move mess has been fixed.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 15:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)}}

At [[IPAB]] the talk page is mis-named and the page history for IPAB has been lost in a move, it appears. Can someone point me to instructions on how to fix it? Or fix it themselves? Thanks. [[User:Jesanj|Jesanj]] ([[User talk:Jesanj|talk]]) 02:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:[[IPAB]] is a redirect to [[Independent Payment Advisory Board]]; the history is there. I created a parallel redirect for [[Talk:IPAB]]. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 08:36, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's worse than I thought: On 8 January someone apparently did a copy move of [[Independent Payment Advisory Board]] to [[Independent Medicare Advisory Board]], effectively splitting the history. Apparently the correct title is [[Independent Payment Advisory Board]]; at least that is where the recent history is. So it needs admin attention to merge the history. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 09:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
{{tlp|adminhelp}}
::I now see what happened: The move was a real move, but another editor copied the article back over the redirect and replaced the moved article with a redirect. So it needs '''admin attention to merge the history from [[Independent Medicare Advisory Board]] at [[Independent Payment Advisory Board]]'''. (I just moved the talk page back, solving that part of the problem.) —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 09:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for pointing this out. I am dealing with it. It may take a little while. [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 09:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
{{Done}} [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 10:06, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== How to mark a BLP article. ==

I'm doing new page patrol and am tagging a BLP article ([[Rudy Hubbard]]). I noticed that wikipedia isn't recognising it as a BLP article, i.e. when you edit it you don't get the BLP warning above the edit box, and I'm guessing IP editors aren't blocked from editing it. How is this enabled? I've added a BLP template to the talk page and also added it to category:Living People, but neither of those work, in fact the category looks like it shouldn't be used that way so I'm guessing I'm doing this the wrong way round. Thinking about it, it doesn't really make sense for this to be done by wiki markup within the article as it would be too easy to circumvent, so is there some admin function I need to request or a board I need to post on? Thanks --[[User:ThePaintedOne|ThePaintedOne]] ([[User talk:ThePaintedOne|talk]]) 11:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's triggered by [[:Category:Living people]], which I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rudy_Hubbard&diff=411959515&oldid=411956376 fixed] in the [[Rudy Hubbard]] article. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 11:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, just a typo on my part! Thanks for the assist.--[[User:ThePaintedOne|ThePaintedOne]] ([[User talk:ThePaintedOne|talk]]) 11:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== Adolf Hitler  ==

Using AOL - every time I try to open the page on Adolf Hitler, AOL closes down.
Using Windows Explorer - I can open the page, but it does have a hiccup on opening.

melvyn  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.149.107.99|78.149.107.99]] ([[User talk:78.149.107.99|talk]]) 11:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Have you tried to use another web browser? [[User talk:Mabdul|<b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b>]] 11:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:I suspect it may be connected with the fact that the length of the article is 236KB (of Wikicode). —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 12:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::I doubt that since there is no note at [[Wikipedia:Browser_notes#Internet Explorer]] or only in the case of a really old IE with an really old Win-version (9X?)/PC with very less RAM. [[User talk:Mabdul|<b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b>]] 15:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== Action Research in Education ==

what is Action Research in Education? How can we do or conduct in Elementary education and secondary education?  What are its pros and cons and how can we solvre or implement properly in the schools?  Please answer with great deal..  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/117.204.57.25|117.204.57.25]] ([[User talk:117.204.57.25|talk]]) 14:07, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at [[Wikipedia:About|Wikipedia]], the free online encyclopedia that [[Wikipedia:Introduction|anyone can edit]], and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|reference desk]], divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.<!-- Template:Astray --> - Please note also that Wikipedia won't do your homework for you, but might (of course) be a useful tool for you to use in your research. [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 14:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== [[City of Leeds School]] entry says it reads like an advert. ==
{{Resolved|Tag removed and replaced by relevant tag~!}}
The entry is very short and factual, and it has been reduced to the bare bones, I think the 'advertisement' tag should be removed.[[Special:Contributions/82.3.199.155|82.3.199.155]] ([[User talk:82.3.199.155|talk]]) 14:34, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:*{{Done}} I've re-tagged the article with new relevant tags. Best. --<small>[[User:Dave1185|<i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[user_talk:Dave1185|♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®]]</span></sup></small> 14:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== your article about cremation and Islam  ==

I realize that this this is a very LEFTIST blog, but why do you put Islam first in your article? Islam has only been in existance since the 7th century, yet you list it first, above Judaism and Christianity?

Why is that?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/169.145.3.21|169.145.3.21]] ([[User talk:169.145.3.21|talk]]) 16:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*# Wikipedia is not a [[blog]] but an [[encyclopedia]].
*# It has no [[WP:NPOV|political affiliation]] (this is not to say that none of the millions who have edited it have such affiliations, but these are not reflected in any editorial policy).
*# Islam is not inherently favoured by or affiliated with political leftism.
*# The ordering reflects the way [[Cremation|the article]] has been created incrementally over time by numerous editors. There is no editorial agenda in the ordering of the subsections in [[Cremation#Religious views on cremation]]. If you would like to propose another order, feel free to do so on the [[Talk:Cremation|article talk page]]. Or you can even [[WP:B|bold]]ly reorganize it yourself, explaining your rationale in the [[WP:EDSUM|edit summary]] (and, if you choose a chronological order, keeping in mind that several of the Asian traditions described in the article are older than the Christian and Jewish ones you mentioned). [[User:Gonzonoir|Gonzonoir]] ([[User talk:Gonzonoir|talk]]) 16:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::{{ec}} Well, this is an encyclopedia, not a blog. Are you referring to [[Cremation#Religious_views_on_cremation]]? I haven't examined it in-depth, but my guess is that Islam is listed first simply because it has the shortest explanation. Placing it at the bottom or in middle may cause it to get lost in the clutter. [[User:Tnxman307|<span style="color:darkorange;">TN</span>]][[User talk:Tnxman307|<b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|<span style="color:red;">Man</span>]] 16:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:::What difference does the order make? And why would the age of a religion matter? Age doesn't make a religion any more likely to be true, or false, or better, or worse. [[Appeal to tradition]] ("if it's old, it must be true") and [[Appeal to novelty]] ("if it's new, it must be true") are both [[fallacy|fallacies]], which is to say that the age of an idea has nothing to do with whether it is true. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 03:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Citing ==

How do you reference a webpage?  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jmoxie|Jmoxie]] ([[User talk:Jmoxie|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jmoxie|contribs]]) 16:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The best way to do this is to use the {{tlx|cite web}} template. Just fill out the fields you know and place it between a <nowiki><ref> and a </ref></nowiki> in the article. [[User:Tnxman307|<span style="color:darkorange;">TN</span>]][[User talk:Tnxman307|<b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|<span style="color:red;">Man</span>]] 16:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::For the details, see [[WP:CITE]], [[WP:FOOT]], and {{Tl|Cite web}}. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 03:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== up and coming new band== 
hi. I have read through the posts and links and while there is ALOT of information, I am still unsure about the answer to my question.  I work with an up and coming new band. We would like to be included in Wikipedia. Is this what is considered an "article" and do we write it ourselves? 
thank you, 
Linaz Martine 17:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)~

<redacted>  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.221.206.66|209.221.206.66]] ([[User talk:209.221.206.66|talk]]) 17:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Start by reading [[:WP:BAND]] and [[:WP:UPANDCOMING]]. --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:darkorange;">Orange Mike</span>]]  &#x007C;  [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:orange;">Talk</span>]] 17:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I "think" this means that we create the article ourselves. I will look through the links you gave me. Next week. After the Packers win the Superbowl. L18:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)~~  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.221.206.66|209.221.206.66]] ([[User talk:209.221.206.66|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Better to say, I think, that it means nobody should write it until the criteria at [[WP:BAND]] are met, or else it'll probably be deleted. And that once those criteria are met, it would be much better if somebody unconnected with the band wrote the article, because it's difficult for somebody who is connected to write neutrally about the subject. --[[User:AndrewHowse|AndrewHowse]] ([[User talk:AndrewHowse|talk]]) 18:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:Since you work with the band and talk of them as "we," you should also read [[WP:COI]]. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 22:26, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== Getting ride of extra info for sports team info box ==

I'm trying to make an info box for my softball team. I'm using the MLB info box and only want a few things to show on the page for the team. However, info that I removed keeps showing up. It appears as shown even after removing info that I do not need:
{{Collapse top|Collapse info box|padding}}
{{MLB infobox
| name             = Oakland Horseside
| established      = 1971
| logo             = <!-- Team Logo -->
| uniformlogo      = <!-- Cap Insignia -->
| retirednumbers   = Wally Thompson - 11
| colors           = Navy Blue, Yellow, White
{{color box|blue}} {{color box|yellow}} {{color box|white}}
| y3               = 1971
| nicknames        = “The Hide”
| owner            = Keith Salminen
| manager          = Keith Salminen
}}

{{Collapse bottom}}

The Cap logo & Team Logo I plan on adding in, but everything else that doesn't have info in it I want to remove. What do I need to do or what other templete do I need to use? Thank you.<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rfa149|Rfa149]] ([[User talk:Rfa149|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rfa149|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

:Try using {{tlp|Infobox baseball team}} instead.  --[[User:Mysdaao|Mysdaao]] <sup>[[User talk:Mysdaao|talk]]</sup> 21:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:Your sports team? Have you read and familiarised yourself with our policy on [[WP:COI|conflicts of interest]]? '''Rehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<span style="color:black;">✉</span>]]</big> 21:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:More urgently, read [[WP:ORG]] and demonstrate in the article that [[Oakland Horsehide Softball Club]] has received significant coverage in [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]]. Otherwise the article will be deleted soon, and anything else you do will be lost. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 23:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== Please edit the page. ==


I dont find a source and cant understand why and how can u uplaod a pic of Hazrat Imaam Hasan on the below mentioned page.
That time and even today, no source exists which can actually state that this is the pic of Hazrat Imaam Hasan.
So with the kind request please remove the PIC. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Hasan
:As a content issue, the best place to discuss it is on the [[Talk:Hasan ibn Ali|talk page]] of the article.--<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="background:#002868;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">SPhilbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style="background:#ADD8E6;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">T</span>]]</span> 22:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:Is already discussed at [[Talk:Hasan_ibn_Ali#His Picture]]. [[User talk:Mabdul|<b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b>]] 23:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== coded encrypted words ==

OK I have looked everywhere for this answer but to no avail. Here is the question. Why are some words on the wikipedia "coded" or encryped? Most of the words that are coded seem to be like a title to a movie or title to a song. The article is intact, but several key words are coded or encrypted. For instance,  if I look up the actor Michael Cain.. I will see that he was in the movie SLUTH. BUT.... wikipedia displays the word "Sluth" as "jckbq" (in italics). Now... I can mouse over that garbage and hold, and a bubble will pop up stating that the translation is SLUTH.. but why, oh why does it do this???
Sorry to bug you guys, but it drives me nuts.. my email is.... JUST KIDDING. I read your warning! lol (although I am not entirely sure that if you answer this, where I can find it!  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.79.69.16|71.79.69.16]] ([[User talk:71.79.69.16|talk]]) 23:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You are not using wikipedia directly by typing in the [[address bar]] http://en.wikipedia.org/ ; you used a translator (maybe by google) that tries to translate some words in other languages, and the original text are in the bubbles. maybe you use a wikipedia version in another language. [[User talk:Mabdul|<b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b>]] 23:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:I guess you mean [[Sleuth (1972 film)]]. "jckbq" has no vowels and doesn't sound like any language to me. Maybe your browser has problems displaying italics. Movie and album titles (though not songs) are usually in italics in Wikipedia in accordance with [[WP:ITALICS]]. Can you read these two sentences: 1) Here is "Sleuth" not in italics.  2) Here is the same word "''Sleuth''" in italics. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)