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= August 21 =

==[[Bo Guagua]]'s nationality is UNKNOWN.==
why did they call the following "vandalism?" this is so ridiculous!
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[[Bo Guagua]] student visa expired in 60 days after his graduation in May of 2012, where he is, no one knows. you can't prove that he is currently in china, either. so if he is staying in the usa legally or illegally, no one knows. therefore, you can't say that his nationality is chinese unless you can prove it.

===$100,000 paid for guagua.com===

this part was also deleted by the pro-communist administrators.

In 2010, he paid $100,000 to buy guagua.com from Antonio Marin, a 53-year-old university administrator from [[Tenerife]], [[Spain]]. [http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20120427000001 Bo Guagua paid US$100,000 for domain name: Guardian]

===EF∙Royal Cornell 2009 Big Ben Award and Ten Outstanding Chinese Young Persons Selection in the UK Charity Ceremony===

the following part is also deleted by your administrators. show me the reasons why they can't be posted. 

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According to Taiwan [[Apple Daily]] newspaper, the award he won was entirely fake.<ref>[http://www.appledaily.com.tw/appledaily/article/international/20120817/34446577 苹果日报：18大將開除薄熙來黨籍]</ref>

On May 9th of 2009, a charity organisation registered in UK - [[British Chinese Youth Federation]] (BCYF), whose owner is Yinya Li from city of [[Fuzhou]] of [[Fujian]] province, <ref>[http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1126666&SubsidiaryNumber=0 ]</ref> gave Bo Guagua an award during the first annual "EF∙Royal Cornell 2009 Big Ben Award and Ten Outstanding Chinese Young Persons Selection in the UK Charity Ceremony (TOCYP-UK)". <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.china.org.cn/china/features/content_17791048.htm|title=10 outstanding young Chinese honored in UK}}</ref> at [[Le Meridien Hotel Piccadilly]] in [[London]]. No one from the UK government or any UK royals were present during this ceremony, but Chinese Consul Jin Shihong and his wife, the director of the Hong Kong Economic and Trade Office in London - Hu Baozhu, representatives from the Malaysian Embassy, the Taipei Representative Office and Singapore attended the ceremony. <ref>[http://www.china.org.cn/china/features/content_17791048_2.htm 10 outstanding young Chinese honored in UK]</ref> 

The five judges were: Lord [[Tom Pendry]], Hong Kong Economic and Trade Office in London - Hu Baozhu, Chairman of [[48 Group Club]] [[Stephen Perry]]<ref>[http://the48groupclub.com/whos-who/ Who is who of The 48 Group club]</ref>, Dr Xiaojiu Zhu who doesn't have a law degree who was hired as a legal counsel and to provide notary service for BCYF.,<ref>[http://www.lawco.co.uk/about-us-who-we-are Cruickshank Limited Solicitors]</ref> and the owner of BCYF. <ref>[http://www.xinhuanet.com/chinanews/2009-05/12/content_16495951.htm xinhua news report in Chinese]</ref> 

[[Marco Fu]] was also given the award, even though he lives in [[Hong Kong]], and is a Canadian permanent resident. <ref>[http://www.dimsum.co.uk/community/the-big-bang-awards.html The Big Ben Awards]</ref> [[Daniel Jacoel]] who was the chairman of the 48 Group Club Young Icebreakers,<ref>[http://the48groupclub.com/the-young-icebreakers/ 48 group club the young icebreakers]</ref> was also given an award.
 
Let Me Be Me <ref> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xwHn4gc5TY Jiliguala] </ref>performed during the event. This event was only widely reported by news media in [[mainland China]]. Most mainland Chinese were given the impression that he won the award that was given by the UK government.<ref>[http://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=10&ix=h9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=EF%E2%88%99Royal+Cornell+2009+Big+Ben+Award+and+Ten+Outstanding+Chinese+Young+Persons+Selection+in+the+UK+Charity+Ceremony#hl=en&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&q=%222009+Big+Ben+Award+and+Ten+Outstanding+Chinese+Young+Persons+Selection+in+the+UK%22&oq=%222009+Big+Ben+Award+and+Ten+Outstanding+Chinese+Young+Persons+Selection+in+the+UK%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...3370.4882.7.5063.3.3.0.0.0.0.138.386.0j3.3.0...0.0.BPr-sCibNs8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=d373e5d6cae3df2a&ix=h9&biw=1600&bih=809 Google news search]</ref>
	
After 2009, British Chinese Youth Federation second web site (http://www.bcyf.org.uk) has ceased to operate. Their first web site ukbcyf.org expired. The web site of second annual EF∙Royal Cornell Big Ben Awards for the Top Ten Outstanding Young Chinese in the UK was moved to a web site based in China.<ref>[http://news.qq.com/zt/2009/bigbenaward second annual big ben award]</ref> . Meanwhile, [http://www.gbvcchina.co.uk Big Ben Award Corporation] started to offer awards to Chinese all over the world. Its English page is still empty. Their Chinese page "Contact Us" has no name, phone number or email address listed. <ref>[http://www.gbvcchina.co.uk/index.php?route=page/page&page_id=5 Big Ben Award Corporation Contact us] </ref>Both web sites are registered to Yinya Li. The current address for "Big Ben Award Corporation" is located in a dental office in London. <ref>[http://whois.domaintools.com/bcyf.org.uk BcYf.org.uk Whois Record]</ref>
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:You may or may not have something worth saying on this issue, but either way, this is not the correct venue for it.  Instead, please raise your concerns at [[Talk:Bo Guagua]].  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 01:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

the pro-chinese communist party people have protected that page many times. the talk page is useless, because no one reads them. therefore, i want to know why those paragraphs are considered as "vandalism" even though they all have web sites which you can verify.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:CC6B:6B90:4D70:9DFC:84BF:5CEF|2602:306:CC6B:6B90:4D70:9DFC:84BF:5CEF]] ([[User talk:2602:306:CC6B:6B90:4D70:9DFC:84BF:5CEF|talk]]) 01:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:If you are having a dispute, you need to raise the issue at [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard]] or use one of the other methods described at [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]].  Please note, however, that if you have a valid point to make, then no one will listen to you if you cast aspersions or otherwise claim that other people have bad motivations for the work they are doing, as you have done above.  In other words, keep a level head, [[WP:NPA|don't attack others]], and [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]].  If you do as you have done here, people will ignore your valid concerns about the content of the article.  Take it as a word of advice: you instantly lose your side of the dispute when you resort to name calling.  So don't do it.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 01:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:The admins deletes these contents because they violates [[WP:BLP]] & [[WP:OR]].--[[User:Jsjsjs1111|Jsjsjs1111]] ([[User talk:Jsjsjs1111|talk]]) 05:42, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

{{collapse top|This is still not the correct venue to solve this problem}}

===How can wikipedia proves that he actually has a chinese passport?===
he is assuming still living in the usa, and if he has a student visa, that expired after 60 days after he graduated. therefore, either he is an illegal alien or he has a green card. no one knows where he is now, if he has a chinese passport or not. you are just assuming that he still has a chinese passport! that is wrong, that is called rumor, and speculation.!

how can wikipedia prove that he still has ａchinese passport? did you people see it in person? 

and you can't prove ANYTHING that i wrote is NOT true. go ahead, prove it to me that any part that I added was "vandalism". this is ridiculous. you can verify everything i wrote with those web sites that i added.

also, he won the FAKE award, you people put it as if that award was really given by the UK government which is not true at all. that FAKE award was given by a chinese who lived in the UK, who used the name of UK to give him a "UK top 10 chinese" award. 

your site is spreading fake information, LIES instead of the truth about him!  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:CC6B:6B90:9DC7:EFBF:B01:ECB9|2602:306:CC6B:6B90:9DC7:EFBF:B01:ECB9]] ([[User talk:2602:306:CC6B:6B90:9DC7:EFBF:B01:ECB9|talk]]) 00:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

===$100,000 paid for guagua.com===

why do you call this "vandalism"? which part did I vandalize? explain it to me. this is utterly ridiculous that instead of editing articles, you people just like to protect articles. how can you improve your site, if you don't allow people to edit ? 

In 2010, he paid $100,000 to buy guagua.com from Antonio Marin, a 53-year-old university administrator from [[Tenerife]], [[Spain]].<ref>[http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20120427000001 Bo Guagua paid US$100,000 for domain name: Guardian]</ref>  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:CC6B:6B90:211E:52CF:F0B5:F87F|2602:306:CC6B:6B90:211E:52CF:F0B5:F87F]] ([[User talk:2602:306:CC6B:6B90:211E:52CF:F0B5:F87F|talk]]) 13:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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:I have collapsed the above arguments.  As has been noted for you above, you are using the wrong method to solve your problem.  Continuing to make this argument here will not result in any meaningful help for you, so you need to follow the advice given to you before, and use the correct methods to solve your dispute.  You have to ask yourself "do I want my problem solved?"  If your answer to that question is "yes", then do what you were told to do above, and use the Dispute Resolution system as told above.  If you'd rather not have any meaningful help, by all means continue to do what you are doing.  You've been instructed how to fix this problem, but refusing to follow those instructions isn't going to work.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 13:16, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

well, you people still haven't proved to us that why you think that he has a chinese passport, but not other countries' passport. he is presumingly living in the usa. by ignoring my request, it shows that wikipedia is full of error and you refuses to change your own mistakes! --[[Special:Contributions/2602:306:CC6B:6B90:A047:E5ED:8F92:E3F4|2602:306:CC6B:6B90:A047:E5ED:8F92:E3F4]] ([[User talk:2602:306:CC6B:6B90:A047:E5ED:8F92:E3F4|talk]]) 02:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Gary Kong Elkerton ==

I submitted a Gary Kong Elkerton entry, which was approved and put up as Gary Elkerton, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Elkerton. However, the person's legal name is Gary Kong Elkerton and the title page should reflect this. I simply cannot follow/execute the instructions on how to correct this. Thanks for helping.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:PeterSkySky1414|PeterSkySky1414]] ([[User talk:PeterSkySky1414|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PeterSkySky1414|contribs]]) 01:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: The page [[Gary 'Kong' Elkerton (surfer)]] already exists and was renamed to [[Gary Elkerton]] with a redirect left behind.  You can ask [[User:Joe_Roe]] on his talk page why he moved it. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 02:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

::I suspect that most of his reasoning is going to lie with [[WP:COMMONNAME]].  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 02:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:::Do you have a [[WP:V|verifiable]] source that "Kong" is part of his legal name? All sources I can find indicate it's a nickname, for example [http://www.surfline.com/surfing-a-to-z/gary-elkerton-biography-and-photos_799/]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I have the legal documents pertaining to his name which is (under the auspices of Births, Deaths and Marriages in the state of New South Wales, Australia) Gary Keith Kong Elkerton. Naturally, there are privacy issues attached to me making this actual document public, though his legal name may be verified by the relevant NSW government department. He altered his name to legally include his (previous) nickname some time ago. Put plainly, people wishing to research this person are unlikely to search for him without inputing the word Kong, which is the name he has been commonly known as for 35 years. Advice regarding next steps, most appreciated...  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:PeterSkySky1414|PeterSkySky1414]] ([[User talk:PeterSkySky1414|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PeterSkySky1414|contribs]]) 06:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I have moved your second post to the existing section. Please click the "edit" link to the right of a section heading to continue a discussion. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:I have redirected [[Gary Kong Elkerton]] to [[Gary Elkerton]]. [[WP:COMMONNAME]] doesn't require use of the official name and [[WP:BLPPRIMARY]] says to not use public documents as primary sources. If a reliable published source like a newspaper has mentioned a legal change of name then it can be mentioned in the article, but I see no need to change the article title. There are lots of Google hits on "Gary Elkerton" and people entering "Gary Kong Elkerton" will now go directly to the article via the redirect. It appears most Google hits on "Gary Kong Elkerton" write "Kong" in quotes to indicate a nickname. If he has changed his legal name then it doesn't appear to be commonly known. I see you created the article [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Gary_Elkerton&oldid=499521184] with the unsourced claim "that these days his legal name is Gary Keith Kong Elkerton". Apart from the article itself I get zero Google hits on "Gary Keith Kong Elkerton" so I will remove the name unless you can produce a published source. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:07, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== After translate, it become blocks... ==

Here, it's [[Template:Timeline_of_iMac_models]]
<br>
Then when I input any Chinese word, it all become blocks.
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See here: [[:zh:Template:Timeline_of_iMac_models|That one on the Chinese wiki]]
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Anyone know how to fix it?
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by [[User:L19980623|L19980623]] ([[User talk:L19980623|talk]]) 03:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:Do you mean the text in the Chinese version?  That looks like the standard output when your system doesn't have the font that the page is trying to use to display the Chinese characters.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

::Yep you're right. I don't know where to specify those fonts (even I haven't seen it in the source code. by [[User:L19980623|L19980623]] ([[User talk:L19980623|talk]]) 03:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:::It shouldn't be in the source code for the template.  It's the computer that you're working on that doesn't have the necessary font.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
::::Seems bad. Cause I already installed those fonts on my computer. It seems the "EasyTimeline" doesn't support non-English words. Here I need a solution than make these Chinese word dispaly well by [[User:L19980623|L19980623]] ([[User talk:L19980623|talk]]) 03:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:::::Right, this is a limitation in the EasyTimeline extension and not in your own computer. See [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline#Unicode]] and [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline/syntax#Font support]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 03:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::Almost got it, but no solution exist? :( by [[User:L19980623|L19980623]] ([[User talk:L19980623|talk]]) 03:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::::No solution with EasyTimeline as far as I can tell. You could combine an EasyTimeline graph with Chinese wikitext outside the graph, for example made with [[:zh:Template:Legend]], but it would be more complicated and not look as good. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 03:45, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Umm that's bad. How about done this work without EasyTimeline (use other tags)? by [[User:L19980623|L19980623]] ([[User talk:L19980623|talk]]) 04:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== s...m...l ==

5 fleet in cetimetar  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.225.214.129|85.225.214.129]] ([[User talk:85.225.214.129|talk]]) 10:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: F...r...v 12 grogs in moretiletfdr? Did your keyboard just sneeze? Gesundheit. Umm, there's a feet to centimeters calculator [http://www.csgnetwork.com/csgcvtftin2cmeterscalc.html here]. Best I can make out from your post. You can find such unit converters for pretty much any unit comparison by typing "converter" or "calculator" and the measurement unit types you want to compare into Google.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 12:38, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
::I wonder if "s...m...l" is Small, Medium, Large. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 17:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Ah, could be, could be. Very ''not obvious'' though:-)--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 18:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== Trying to link to Nick Harkaway ==

Hi, 

I've tried to link to this talk by Nick Harkaway about his book 'The Blind Giant' (discussed in his page), but my edit has received a filter. As the video is just a free talk given by Nick Harkaway (which he gave consent to be recorded), I cant imagine why it would be a problem to link to it? I have never edited wikipedia before - should I just go ahead and publish anyway?

Thanks,  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DShed|DShed]] ([[User talk:DShed|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DShed|contribs]]) 11:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I don't understand what you mean by "received a filter". When I look at the article, I see the link there, and when I click on the link, I get to view the video talk. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 12:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:Your edits are being reverted because you appear to be linking to a website to which you are connected (judging by your username). --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] &#x007C; [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 12:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

::Maproom, you can click "filter log" at [[Special:Contributions/DShed]] to see [[WP:EF|edit filter]] logs. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, 

Thanks so much for your replies. I am connected to the website, yes - I am the publisher of this content. However, I am not promoting the organisation (which incidentally, is a not-for-profit organisation and charity) - I am promoting the content, which is free to view and directly relevant to the page in question. So, to give an example; the content that I have linked to in the Nick Harkaway wiki page is the intellectual property of Nick Harkaway. We do have his permission to publish this content, but we are not employed by him, and there has been no exchange of monies regarding the publishing or dissemination of this content. It feels like a grey area to me. Obviously, I do not want to breach any etiquette here (hence my enquiries about this) but I am assuming that sharing relevant links is acceptable here as I am sharing content of which I am the publisher, but not intellectual property owner? 

Thanks again for your advice.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DShed|DShed]] ([[User talk:DShed|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DShed|contribs]]) 15:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Please see [[WP:EL#ADV]]. Note that Wikipedia makes little distinction between commercial and non-commercial promotion: anything which looks like promotion is frowned on, no matter how worthy. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== comms between submarines and frigates in WW2 (known as SST) ==

Wanted, info on use of this system.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.194.121.45|94.194.121.45]] ([[User talk:94.194.121.45|talk]]) 14:10, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:How about a ''please''?--[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 14:13, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

: [[File:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] Have you tried Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.<!-- Template:RD1 --> [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 16:11, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:This help desk is manned by volunteers, who are happy to help people needing assistance editing Wikipedia. A little courtesy is helpful, especially when you aren't even in the right place for such a question.--[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="color:#002868;padding:0 4px;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">SPhilbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">(Talk)</span>]] 16:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== Bellevue Washington article ==

I posted changes to the Bellevue Washington article in the section on the Economy. These were deleted/undone. I am the Economic Development Director for the City of Bellevue Washington and the original author of the content. Yes, much of the same information appears on the enterpriseSeattle website in the city profile section. How can I have my edits restored?  Today, I also added to the list of external links. [[Special:Contributions/12.17.152.3|12.17.152.3]] ([[User talk:12.17.152.3|talk]]) 15:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:See [[WP:DCP]]. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 17:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== Partial histomerge required ==
Hi, I've been working on an article recently: [[User:Lil-unique1/Sandbox/4]] and would to move this into the mainspace, to be located at [[Trouble (Leona Lewis song)]]. '''''However''''' I only want the page history to contain edits dated from 16 August to present. I know the process is a history merge but i think it's something that an admin will need to do. Is there someone who could peform this for me or point me in the right direction? Many thanks in advance. &mdash; [[User:Lil-unique1|'''<span style="color:DarkRed;">Lil_<span style="color:red;">℧</span>niquℇ <span style="color:red;">№</span>1</span>''']] [[User talk: Lil-unique1|'''<sup style="color:black;">[talk]</sup>''']] 15:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:I don't know how to do a histmerge, but a small question, did you have the right sandbox? There are no edits on or after 16 August. (or, perhaps, it was completed but the admin forgot to close this?)--[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="color:#002868;padding:0 4px;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">SPhilbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">(Talk)</span>]] 16:56, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:Its ok it's already been done! An admin editor elsewhere got back to my request from earlier. This can be closed as completed. &mdash; [[User:Lil-unique1|'''<span style="color:DarkRed;">Lil_<span style="color:red;">℧</span>niquℇ <span style="color:red;">№</span>1</span>''']] [[User talk: Lil-unique1|'''<sup style="color:black;">[talk]</sup>''']] 17:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

::Why did you request a history merge instead of performing a normal merge? The article history and diffs therein are now misleading where edits to the original continued during the 16–21 August time frame. From what I can tell, you did not start with content that was originally at the current title; it was a redirect until your changes were inserted. [[WP:HISTMERGE#Parallel versions]] states ''"If the two pages have separate origins and simultaneous separate parallel histories before they were text-merged, they should not be history-merged."'' You can tell that the current title was not stagnant because edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Trouble_%28Leona_Lewis_song%29&diff=507770072&oldid=507758219 this] one (an undo of a redirection which is now separated from the edit it undoes by substantial edits by Lil-unique1). <s>Unless I'm missing something, this should just have been a normal [[Wikipedia:Merging|merge]].</s> [[User:BigNate37|BigNate37]]<sub>[[User talk:BigNate37|(T)]]</sub> 17:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Let me correct myself; I see why a normal merge was undesirable: your sandbox has (had) irrelevant history in it. The history merge was still a poor choice, mind you. Splitting the pertinent history out into a new title and merging ''that'' would have been better. I suppose that the lesson here is to start with a fresh user subpage when writing on a new topic for articlespace. [[User:BigNate37|BigNate37]]<sub>[[User talk:BigNate37|(T)]]</sub> 17:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
::::I requested a history merge as that's what has been done in the past. In the music project people often create pages for song's which are to be releaed in the near future but then are redirected because they are not notable. So often users work on the pages in their sandboxes/userspace and in the past when I've tried to move articles back to the mainspace i've been told that history merge copies over the edit history as opposed to just copy and pasting the article over. If that's the wrong process I apologise. I did try reading [[WP:History merge]] and tbh it isn't exactly clear for users like myself who don't have some of the technical understand/expertise that others might have. I'll definitely learn to use a new user page in the future. (i've altered my sandboxes to accomodate this in the future). &mdash; [[User:Lil-unique1|'''<span style="color:DarkRed;">Lil_<span style="color:red;">℧</span>niquℇ <span style="color:red;">№</span>1</span>''']] [[User talk: Lil-unique1|'''<sup style="color:black;">[talk]</sup>''']] 17:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Well I am unfamiliar with that project, so it's entirely possible there's a consensus sui generis for handling music page merges that I'm not aware of. Whether a history merge is the best solution in the situations you describe depend on a couple other factors, mostly whether or not the two articles for merging have been edited separately during the same time frame (i.e., parallel histories) and whether the userspace article's history is complex enough that it needs to be preserved (i.e., if more than one user has edited it). Anyways, you do not owe me an apology, I'm just a passerby adding my two cents with the benefit of hindsight. [[User:BigNate37|BigNate37]]<sub>[[User talk:BigNate37|(T)]]</sub> 19:28, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

==Follow up question:history merging always be done by sysop==
{{Resolved|1=<font style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···[[User:Vanischenu|'''V<font color="green">ani</font>s<font color="green">che</font>nu''']][[Special:EmailUser/Vanischenu|<sup>「m</sup>]]/[[User_talk:Vanischenu|<sub>Talk」</sub>]]</font> 16:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)}}
Is history merging always be done by sysop?

I have got another one to be history merged, I think. (But it's slightly different)
* [[User:Milangberg/nitroxide]]<sub>status:created first</sub> + [[Nitroxide Mediated Radical Polymerization]]<sub>status:created later</sub> --to--> [[Nitroxide mediated radical polymerization]]<sub>status:not created</sub>

Can it be done by myself? Or this too be done by an admin? (Kindly check whether this merge is actually needed before doing this in reality.)

Where on WP can we experiment on ''big things'' like this?  <font style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···[[User:Vanischenu|'''V<font color="green">ani</font>s<font color="green">che</font>nu''']][[Special:EmailUser/Vanischenu|<sup>「m</sup>]]/[[User_talk:Vanischenu|<sub>Talk」</sub>]]</font> 18:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:Only administrators may perform history merges. These two articles are a good candidate for history merges, because they do not have a parallel history of edits, but rather the first one was simply copied into the other and then editing resumed at the newer article. In the future a better method is to move your userspace draft to the new title in article space, because the history will move with it. [[User:BigNate37|BigNate37]]<sub>[[User talk:BigNate37|(T)]]</sub> 19:38, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:WP:HISTMERGE points at [[Wikipedia:How to fix cut-and-paste moves]], which explains how to request history merges. In this case you can simply add {{tlp|Histmerge|User:Milangberg/nitroxide}} to the top of [[Nitroxide Mediated Radical Polymerization]]. Once that is done, you can either move it to [[Nitroxide mediated radical polymerization]], or make the latter title a redirect to the article itself. [[User:BigNate37|BigNate37]]<sub>[[User talk:BigNate37|(T)]]</sub> 19:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you so much! Now the question is resolved. <font style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···[[User:Vanischenu|'''V<font color="green">ani</font>s<font color="green">che</font>nu''']][[Special:EmailUser/Vanischenu|<sup>「m</sup>]]/[[User_talk:Vanischenu|<sub>Talk」</sub>]]</font> 16:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

== Frank E. Snodgrass ==

I just tried to clean up one reference that said ibid as requested, but I seem to have now lost all my references!  Can you help please and reset them back?  Thank you.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Silvergirl27|Silvergirl27]] ([[User talk:Silvergirl27|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Silvergirl27|contribs]]) 18:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:{{fixed}} in [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Frank_E._Snodgrass&diff=508492958&oldid=508491364 this edit].--[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 18:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== Iron Man: Armored Legacy ==

Hello fellow wikians, 

Since the Iron Man: Armored Adventures has been cancelled with no third series, I have decided to open a new series called Iron Man: Armored Legacy, it will contact everything seen in the other one, it will be a sequel, by writing, not animation or comic, unless we get produced or get offered by someone to help us animate or comic the series, we are currently hiring for help and we really want this to be a success to be put on Nicktoons or some show to watch the series, I would like if the series have it's page here and get the wikians to see that a sequel is to be coming not from Marvel but soon. Please help us.

The site is... <redacted>.

Thanks,
Sshalwani  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sshalwani|Sshalwani]] ([[User talk:Sshalwani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sshalwani|contribs]]) 19:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 	
:Wikipedia is a [[WP:TERTIARY|tertiary]] source, which means we cannot have an article for a subject until the subject has received sufficient coverage in [[WP:RS|reliable]] secondary sources—this is necessary so that we can make sure our articles are [[WP:V|verifiable]]. If you believe that sufficient sources are available and the subject meets our [[WP:N|notability]] criteria, you're welcome to request its creation at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation]]. [[User:BigNate37|BigNate37]]<sub>[[User talk:BigNate37|(T)]]</sub> 20:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is not for [[WP:PROMO|telling the world about your new project]], no matter how worthy. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

== How to strike comments ==
{{resolved}}

On plenty of occasions, I want to retract my comments by striking them out because they are either rude, pointless or the occasion that I change my mind. However, I don't want to remove the comments as that could disrupt discussion.

Here's the question: how do I strike comments? [[User:Hillcrest98|Hill Crest&#39;s WikiLaser (Boom.)]] ([[User talk:Hillcrest98|talk]]) 19:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

: You can use <nowiki><del></del> or <s></s></nowiki> tags to produce <s>strikeout text</s> [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 20:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:Additionally, you can use [[Template:Strikethrough]] and pass the text to be striken through the template as a parameter, like <nowiki>{{strikethrough|TEXT TO BE STRIKEN}}</nowiki>, which produces {{strikethrough|TEXT TO BE STRIKEN}}. -- [[User:Toshio Yamaguchi|Toshio Yamaguchi]] ([[User talk:Toshio Yamaguchi|tlk]]−[[Special:Contributions/Toshio_Yamaguchi|ctb]]) 20:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

::Thanks. [[User:Hillcrest98|Hill Crest&#39;s WikiLaser (Boom.)]] ([[User talk:Hillcrest98|talk]]) 20:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== deleted while creating first page  ==

i'm creating my first wiki page and it 's deleted before i'm finished i saved the page to see if i had done things correctly and was about to load an image 
nice  user friendly site 
are we all experts the first time around 
all my page Had was a name birthdate and 1 line of description 
while i was resizing an image to add to the page it is deleted 
nothing on the page infringed on any licensing rights nor was there anything 
that could be considered offensive by anyone  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Brogreg|Brogreg]] ([[User talk:Brogreg|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Brogreg|contribs]]) 20:13, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: What page were you working on?  I don't see anything in your contrib history that shows a deleted page.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 20:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

::I suspect it was {{la|Bryanne Pearson}} - it's been deleted so won't show up in the user's contribs.--[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 20:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:It was deleted under one of our criteria for speedy deletion: A7, for an article on a person without any credible assertion of notability. Most actors spend their entire careers without ever becoming [[:WP:PERFORMER|notable enough to have an encyclopedia article about them]]. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] &#x007C; [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 21:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:It's best to create new articles in a sandbox; then other people won't interfere with them until you ask for review. See [[WP:YFA]]. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

::Slight upgrade for clarity - create them in a ''user'' sandbox. If you create them in the main sandbox, the text will be wiped by a bot before it can be reviewed.--[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 14:17, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

== Images ==

Hi, the vice principal of my old high school asked if I could add the school logo to the wiki article page on the school.  To add in the school info box like other schools have.  How would I do that?  It doesn't seem like I can add an image yet.  Here is the article URL:  {{la|Apollo High School (Arizona)}}  

[[User:DZHinLA|DZHinLA]] ([[User talk:DZHinLA|talk]]) 20:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:Working on it...  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
::{{done}}  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!!

[[User:DZHinLA|DZHinLA]] ([[User talk:DZHinLA|talk]]) 20:41, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== Uploading photos to already existing pages. ==
[[File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg|thumb]]
[[File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg|thumb|left]]
[[File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg|thumb|your caption here]]
[[File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg|50px]]
I am having trouble in finding my way around the site. Yesterday I managed to upload a photo which I think show the cloud formation well for a "mackerel sky".
I could not work out how then to attach this photo to the relevant page, where there were 3 other photo examples. Now I cannot even find my way back to the photo that I uploaded. Can you help please?  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Malcolmstewartwatson|Malcolmstewartwatson]] ([[User talk:Malcolmstewartwatson|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Malcolmstewartwatson|contribs]]) 20:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Did you upload it to [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard|Wikimedia Commons]? -- [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] ([[User_talk:Alan_Liefting|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting|contribs]]) 21:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

::Yes it's at Commons: [[:commons:File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg]]. Thumbnail at right. The syntax for adding it to an article is <nowiki>[[File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg|thumb]]</nowiki>--[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 21:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:::[edit conflict] And if so, is it [[:File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg]]?  This image was uploaded to Commons yesterday by someone with the username of Malcolmstewartwatson.  To add the photo to the page, take the whole name and put it in brackets to start off; <nowiki>[[File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg]]</nowiki> produces the first of the three images to the right.  If you don't want it on the right side, type |left or |center to the image; the left side image has the code of <nowiki>[[File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg|left]]</nowiki>.  If you want a caption, type |thumb|text to get it to display a caption of "text"; the second image on the right displays "your caption here" because of the code <nowiki>[[File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg|thumb|your caption here]]</nowiki>.  Finally, you can change the image away from the default size by typing the number of pixels in width after the pipe character and following the number with px — the 50-pixel-wide image is produced by typing <nowiki>[[File:Mackerel Sky over Beaufort-sur-Doron, Savoie, Rhone Alps (Northern French Alps).jpg|50px]]</nowiki>.  WARNING!! If you don't use either "|thumb" or a pixel size specification, it will display the image at full resolution, and your image is large enough that this is a very bad idea.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=508518191 Look what happened] when I forgot that just now.  [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 21:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

::::[[Altocumulus mackerel sky]] is already image heavy and doesn't need an additional image unless one or two others are removed. In this case the article uses a special gallery tag which works differently from the above code samples for individual images. Edit the article to see how the gallery tag works, or see [[Wikipedia:Gallery tag]]. I have added your image to [[:commons:Category:Altocumulus clouds]] and added a box with a link to the Commons category in [[Altocumulus mackerel sky]]. Thanks for uploading the image. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== Importing a template to a non-WMF project ==

I just imported (by copying; not Special:Import) {{tl|GeoGroupTemplate}} to a small wiki where I have an account, but its complexity is a problem because the other wiki has very few templates and much less development otherwise as well; I had to create its {{tl|coord}} with rather [http://www.bloomingpedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Coord&action=edit raw and basic code] just to get something to work.  As a result, http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/Template:GeoGroupTemplate is just a list of coordinates websites rather than the expandable box that we have here.  My questions are threefold:
#Is there a way to get the Toolserver to recognise another wiki's GeoGroupTemplate?  If you click the links in the template's sole transclusion, http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places, you get a "No geocoded items found" message, but I'm not sure if that be because the page is new, because Toolserver doesn't know about Bloomingpedia, or because of something else.
#Is the lack of results from the Toolserver page because of a problem with http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord?
#Is there a way to convert the template into a list of boxes using just MediaWiki coding?  I'm not going to burden this wiki with tons of imported things, so I'll have to leave the template as-is unless I can resolve the issue simply by editing this one template.
Thanks for the input!  [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 22:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:By the way, note that you'll be unable to edit the pages in question: the wiki has had trouble with spammers, so anonymous editing has been disabled.  If you have an idea on how to fix things, I'll be happy to copy/paste code that you write, as well as attributing you, of course.  [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

:A better approach would be to make sure that your version of {{Tl|coord}} emits the [[Geo (microformat)|geo microformat]] (as does ours); and then make a version of {{tl|GeoGroupTemplate}} which only uses the microformat-related markup; that way you wont need to use Toolserver at all (this is how the two templates were originally supposed to work). <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 09:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
::What elements of the code for {{tl|coord}} and {{tl|GeoGroupTemplate}} emit the geo microformat?  And will it be sufficient just to add certain bits of code, or will I potentially need to do something else?  I know rather little enough about template coding, so I basically don't do anything other than copying and pasting from other templates, and I don't know how to recognise the microformat code because it won't change anything of the template's appearance if I add it or remove it.  [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 20:11, 22 August 2012 (UTC)