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= March 17 =

== A page I submitted has not been published. ==

A page I submitted hasn't been published after 2 months. What can I do about this?  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2603:8001:A403:A085:A52B:EB75:6096:40B2|2603:8001:A403:A085:A52B:EB75:6096:40B2]] ([[User talk:2603:8001:A403:A085:A52B:EB75:6096:40B2#top|talk]]) 00:56, 17 March 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:This has been asked [[WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1146#A page that I submitted isn't showing up after 2 months|at the Teahouse]]. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 01:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::<small>Archived.— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#aa4400"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;•  16:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)</small>

== [ reply ] ==

Apparently every single comment Wikipedia users write on a page outside the main namespace (it might be in the main namespace too, but I haven't tried it) now has a "[ reply ]" link following it. What triggers this? Is it added in every edit whatsoever, or does it require writing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) or linking to the user's own user page or user talk page? [[User:JIP|<span style="color: #CC0000;">J</span><span style="color: #00CC00;">I</span><span style="color: #0000CC;">P</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 01:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
: {{re|JIP}} See [[WP:REPLYTOOL]] you can turn it off in preferences.  It should only appear on talk pages.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 01:56, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|JIP}} To answer your 2nd question, it usually requires a signature to be added in order to appear. I think it's so the reply tool knows the difference between text and the end of a reply. ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 02:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:: Thanks for the information. It's not appearing only on talk pages, it's appearing on this very help desk here too. I don't know if it appears on the main namespace, but I haven't tried, as the main namespace is supposed to have article content only, as it's primarily intended for Wikipedia readers, not Wikipedia editors. [[User:JIP|<span style="color: #CC0000;">J</span><span style="color: #00CC00;">I</span><span style="color: #0000CC;">P</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 02:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::: I worded that poorly.  Its meant for any pages where there is discussion.  Usually talk pages, but also the Help Desk, Ref Desks, Village Pump, etc.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 02:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:::{{ping|JIP}} It will appear on any forum-like page, so the Teahouse, HD, AIV, UAA, talk pages, etc. It won't appear in mainspace at all (I don't know if adding a signature into an article would cause it to appear but I haven't noticed it). ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 02:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::::{{small|I tried it and didn't like it at first. But once I'd switched to Source editing (above the box which the tool displays when clicked) I became hooked, and am using it now. I particularly like the real-time preview. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] ([[User talk:Bazza 7|talk]]) 09:09, 17 March 2022 (UTC)}}
:::::<small> I also love the real-time preview - that's my favorite thing about it.  But I miss the editing tools. ~ ''[[User:ONUnicorn|<span style="color:#0cc">ONUnicorn</span>]]''<sup>([[User talk:ONUnicorn|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn|Contribs]])</sup><small>[[WP:P&amp;S|problem solving]]</small> 16:17, 17 March 2022 (UTC)</small>
::::::{{smalldiv|1=@[[User:ONUnicorn|ONUnicorn]]: You may want to give [[Wikipedia:Convenient Discussions]] a try; I find that it has a bit more functionality than the reply tool. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 17:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)}}

== Adding Company Logo ==

Hello, 

We're editing wikipedia page for our company Dream Games. When we try to upload our logo, the logo gets removed due to copyright issues. Can you please help us to upload the image?  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ozge3535|Ozge3535]] ([[User talk:Ozge3535#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ozge3535|contribs]]) 08:26, 17 March 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:@[[User:Ozge3535|Ozge3535]] If you believe that Wikipedia will enhance your corporate reputation please think again. Wikipedia adds no value to you. You must add value to Wikipedia. Passing [[WP:CORP]] does that.
:Please see also [[WP:PAID]] [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]] 08:50, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Ozge3535|Ozge3535]] In addition, if your logo is copyright then you need to licence it for onward use. Since you are a paid editor, by definition, it is incumbent on you to know all the rules. Those paid to edit here are paid to do the research properly.
:We do not care what you want to say about your company. We only care what others have said about it. I suggest you get a decent web site [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]] 08:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::I assume this is about [[:c:File:Dream Games Logo.svg]]. Please see [[WP:UPIMAGE]], our sister project Wikimedia Commons only accepts [[:c:COM:L|certain freely licensed media]]. From what I can see without having access to the deleted revisions there was a [[:c:COM:EVID|lack of evidence that the logo is licensed under any such license]] (No, the claim at upload time that it's someone's own work doesn't sufficie for previously published images). The image theoretically could be restored following a permission to [[c:COM:VRT|VRT]], which, if I interpret [[:c:User talk:H5r2n]] correctly, also has to indicate which free license is designated (see [[:c:Commons:Email templates/Consent]] for more about that process) '''however''' all license shemes that Wikimedia Commons accepts are deliberately broad, and it might not be what the Company wants. Alternatively, if getting the image on Wikimedia Commons restored is not an option for whatever reason, it might be possible to have the image uploaded [[WP:FUW|locally, to the english Wikipedia]], if it meets <u style="font-weight:bold">all</u> of the [[WP:NFCC|non-free content criteria]].
::on an only marginally related note, I wouldn't worry about getting the company logo into the Wikipedia article for now. The more urgent problem with [[Dream Games]] is that it is [[WP:AFD|considered for deletion]] ([[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dream Games|discussion page]]) as it doesn't appear to indicate why Dream Games is noteable [[WP:NCORP|as Wikipedia defines the term]]. Please see [[Wikipedia:So your article has been nominated for deletion]]. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 09:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
*{{ec}} Welcome to Wikipedia, {{u|Ozge3535}}. As you might have noticed by now, some people here have a dim view of paid-for editors. Others (such as myself) believe in guidance rather than prohibition, so here is what you should do next:
:#Make the paid-editing disclaimer as instructed at your user talk page. That is a condition from the terms of use.
:#(Optional) Go at [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dream_Games]] and put forward arguments why the article should be kept. That is a rather difficult job even for seasoned editors, so the only thing you should really do if you go that route is provide sources. Such sources should simultaneously (1) deal with the company in detail (so, a phonebook entry does not count), (2) come from usually-reliable outlets (most newspaper are OK, most blogs are not) and (3) are independent of the company (interviews with the CEO/spokesperson are not OK). If you want to make substantive arguments, read [[WP:ATA|this long page first]].
:#Decide whether you (Dream Games) are okay with licensing your logo under one of the permissible licenses on Wikipedia, mostly CC-BY-SA. You might want input from your legal/IP department for that. As a short summary, we do not accept "licensing for use on Wikipedia only" - a CC-BY-SA licensing means, for instance, that I can use your logo to promote my business selling potatoes or whatever.
:#Assuming the answer to the above is "no", read [[WP:LOGO|this guide]]. The summary is that you may upload a degraded version of the logo (raster graphics only, at a low resolution), if you upload it via [[Special:Upload]] (i.e. locally on en-Wikipedia, not on Commons), with appropriate tags, and use it on the company page.
:[[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)</span>]]</sup> 09:50, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::Assuming the article is kept, we can add a non-free logo, it's not that complicated. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 10:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry that I've caused confusion. I didn't create the page for the company, someone else has created it, I just wanted to add the logo. [[User:Ozge3535|Ozge3535]] ([[User talk:Ozge3535|talk]]) 10:45, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::::User has been blocked for undisclosed paid editing. ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 00:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

== Image correction ==

Hi 
Over the last twenty or so years I have developed photo imaging/restoration skills (Advanced Photoshop certification/ Affinity Photo). In which ways could I employ such skills in Wikipedia. I have in the past been a small scale text editor on several wiki pages, but would now like to open this contribution up in image validation. Please direct me to the right place. Thanks S  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Noshplar|Noshplar]] ([[User talk:Noshplar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Noshplar|contribs]]) 14:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:[[User:Noshplar|Noshplar]], our friends at [https://commons.wikimedia.org Wikimedia Commons] might be able to help you with that. I don't know much about Commons' policies, so I can't say much else. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]]) 14:10, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|Noshplar}}. Please take a look at [[Wikipedia:Graphics Lab]]. Your skills should be valuable there. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 16:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for such a most welcome if surprisingly rapid reply.  [[User:Noshplar|Noshplar]] ([[User talk:Noshplar|talk]]) 17:17, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the direct and most useful response to my question.  [[User:Noshplar|Noshplar]] ([[User talk:Noshplar|talk]]) 17:19, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

== Disambiguating an already disambiguated page ==

What's the guildeline for pages with a parenthetical qualifier that link to their disambiguation page in a hatnote anyway? For example, [[Mortar (masonry)]]. --[[User:The Tips of Apmh|<span style="color:#0000FF">'''The Tips'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Tips of Apmh|<span style="color:#FF0000">'''of'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Tips of Apmh|<span style="color:#00b02f">'''Apmh'''</span>]] 16:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
: We generally don't do it. See [[Wikipedia:Hatnote#Disambiguating article names that are not ambiguous]] [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 16:08, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

== I have some photographs ==

Good afternoon

My apologies not not knowing how to do this. I have some photographs that I belive would compliment this article -  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shrimp

I don't want to start editing someone else's work by uploading any such photos, even if it were possible. Do you have a facility where I can contact the writer, either direct or through yourselves, to offer said photos?

thanks
Charles Toop
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[[Special:Contributions/86.161.19.4|86.161.19.4]] ([[User talk:86.161.19.4|talk]]) 17:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:Charles, we would be delighted if you have photographs which are your own work, which you are interested in sharing so that they can be used, not just here but throughout Wikimedia projects. The "Upload Wizard" is to be found at [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard this URL]. It's really meant to be as straightforward as possible, and does not require you to do any editing. Once you've uploaded the photos, just got to [[:Talk:Red Shrimp]] and let folks know that you've made these pictures available. --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:#F80">Orange Mike</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:#FA0">Talk</span>]] 17:44, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is written collaboratively, so almost all articles have more than a single author (we call them editors, not authors). Feel free to edit the article. Others will modify or revert you edits if they disagree with them. The list of edits of [[Red Shrimp]] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Red_Shrimp&action=history here]. Please do provide those pictures if you can, and if you do not wish to edit the article, just leave a note at [[Talk:Red Shrimp]] and someone else can incorporate them. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 18:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

== Should access dates in templates be updated? ==

Suppose I find a template (eg, ''Retrieved'') with an access date being a few years ago, and I've just verified that the link is still good. Should I update the date, to show that the link was more recently accessed, or leave the date as it is? [[User:Ghastlyman|Ghastlyman]] ([[User talk:Ghastlyman|talk]]) 18:11, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Ghastlyman}} Hi there!  The access-date indicates when the link was viewed AND that the content of the web page supports the content in the Wikipedia article.  If the content of the web page hasn't changed, then it's not necessary to update the access-date.  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 18:21, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

==2022 NBA draft article==
Can you fix the error i made on the 2022 NBA Draft article please. [[Special:Contributions/98.186.54.177|98.186.54.177]] ([[User talk:98.186.54.177|talk]]) 21:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there!  I'm presuming that the error you made on [[2022 NBA draft]] was that you accidentally unhid some of the blank information, which I have rehid using {{tag|!--}}  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 21:35, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:Or maybe you meant the broken reference #2 - I fixed that too. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 21:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

== Getting started ==

Hi, new Wikipedian here. I recently created my account and I'm confused about how to get started and on setting up my user page. Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks, 
[[User:EarthCore9999|EarthCore9999]] ([[User talk:EarthCore9999|talk]]) 21:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

:Please ignore this I just read the thing at the top about the Teahouse [[User:EarthCore9999|EarthCore9999]] ([[User talk:EarthCore9999|talk]]) 21:19, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

== Pipe trick in categories ==

I've seen <code><nowiki>[[Category:Some category name| ]]</nowiki></code> on several pages (note the extra pipe in the category link). This looks like the pipe trick, but [[Help:Pipe trick]] doesn't mention anything about categories. What is the purpose of this syntax, versus just <code><nowiki>[[Category:Some category name]]</nowiki></code>? As far as I can tell they result in the same categorization and visible output. [[User:Rublov|Ruбlov]] ([[User talk:Rublov|talk]]) 23:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

:I think using the pipe trick on categories might only do something if the category is made a link and not a category like this: <nowiki>[[:Category:Foo|]]</nowiki>. ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 00:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Rublov|Blaze Wolf}} Hi there!  Using the pipe on a category controls how the pages are sorted on the category page.  For example, the article [[Batman]] contains <code><nowiki>[[Category:Batman| ]]</nowiki></code> - this causes the [[Batman]] article to be the first article listed on [[:Category:Batman]] (and not sorted alphabetically in the "B" section).   See [[WP:SORTKEY]] for more information.  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 00:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::Interesting! I didn't know that just adding a pipe would make it be at the top of the list. ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 01:07, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, I see — it's not the pipe trick at all, but piping the link to a single space character. Thank you for the explanation. [[User:Rublov|Ruбlov]] ([[User talk:Rublov|talk]]) 01:42, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:::I have added mention of a space as category sortkey to the help page.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Help:Pipe_trick&diff=1077815884&oldid=1074386548] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 09:26, 18 March 2022 (UTC)