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= October 11 =

== Conflict of Interest ==

Hello! I am aware that if I choose to write about a topic I am affiliated with, I have to declare a conflict of interest. However, I have no idea how to do that or where it should be posted. Could I have some help? Thanks! [[User:PhoenixCaelestis|&#45;Erin (PhoenixCaelestis)]] ([[User talk:PhoenixCaelestis|talk]]) 00:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:PhoenixCaelestis|PhoenixCaelestis]], [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|WP:COI]] has info about conflicts of interest, and the "how to disclose" section addresses your question. [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 00:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:PhoenixCaelestis|&#45;Erin (PhoenixCaelestis)]] ([[User talk:PhoenixCaelestis|talk]]) 00:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

== Is there a consensus on how to format possessive links? ==

Is it preferred to format possessive links like <code><nowiki>The [[King]]'s</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>The [[King's]]</nowiki></code>?

I've read through the MOS, the full linking page, and several help pages. None of them seem to mention the format, and I've definitely seen both used on major pages.

[[User:Stormdew|Stormdew]] ([[User talk:Stormdew|talk]]) 00:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

:Definitely use <code><nowiki>The [[King]]'s</nowiki></code>{{snd}}not for style reasons, but for technical reasons. The first one links to the article titled [[King]], and the second to [[King's]]. As it happens, {{-r|King's}} is a redirect to the disambiguation page [[Kings]], but in general it won't exist; e.g., [[Wikipedian]] and [[Wikipedian's]]. [[User:Jlwoodwa|jlwoodwa]] ([[User talk:Jlwoodwa|talk]]) 02:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::I meant to pipe that example—oops. :/ [[User:Stormdew|Stormdew]] ([[User talk:Stormdew|talk]]) 21:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

:Another possibility is <code><nowiki>The [[King|King's]]</nowiki></code>, linking to "King" but link-coloring "King's". But I'd almost always prefer <code><nowiki>The [[King]]'s</nowiki></code>. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 06:41, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Stormdew|Stormdew]] There is discussion of this at [[Help:Link]]. One consideration (mentioned on that page) is that <code><nowiki>[[Batman]]'s</nowiki></code> renders as [[Batman]]'s, where the ''apostrophe s'' isn't in blue. Piping is needed if you want [[Batman|Batman's]] and you do have to beware that without the pipe the target page may not be what you want, as in the King example. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you @[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] (and everyone else.)
:::[[User:Stormdew|Stormdew]] ([[User talk:Stormdew|talk]]) 21:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

==[[Middleton family]]==
Please check ref number 137 - it is in red. [[Special:Contributions/115.70.23.77|115.70.23.77]] ([[User talk:115.70.23.77|talk]]) 01:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

:Fixed. The access date was wrong (20024 instead of 2024). [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 01:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::IP, why are you unable to correct these obvious glaring errors on your own? This five digit year error has been explained to you ''repeatedly''. It is OK to ask for help once or twice, but this is far beyond that. Stop wasting the previous time of volunteers like {{u|FactOrOpinion}}. You are now trolling. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

:See "[[#Steve_Price_(broadcaster)|Steve Price (broadcaster)]]", above. Actually, don't just see it; instead, ''read'' it, think about it, and perhaps even comment here on the matter. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

::Do we have a [[WP:CIR|competence]] issue here? [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 17:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

:::[[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]], skills, or anyway predilections, include the shovelling in of great volumes of trivia. The body text of this article delivers such nuggets as:
:::*David Middleton "attended the wedding" of "his second cousin, once removed"
:::*Peter Middleton "met his granddaughter's fiancé", who (later, of course) "attended his funeral"
:::*Olive Middleton "attended society balls" at the home of a "daughter of her second cousin"
:::*The service at the funeral" of J.W. Middleton "was read by the [...] vicar of St Chad's Church where his son Arthur Middleton had been a regular attender and had his own [[funeral service]] in 1907"
:::For mysterious persons of considerable public interest (such as Shakespeare or Pynchon), yes. But here this looks to me like mere barrel-scraping for something to say. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:41, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]]: You should definitely search up {{xt|Lupton family}}, {{xt|Martineau family}}, and {{xt|Middleton family}} in the help desk archives and see how long this has been going on. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 01:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
:::: It's been going on for about as long as I've been editing (at least 2016). [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 01:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
::::: At least 2015 ([[Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2015_September_13#Lupton_family|example]]). -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 04:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::She mostly used her account then  She still occasionally uses it.  Editing logged out by editors who have accounts is discouraged, but there is no evasion involved, because some of us know that she is the same user and makes the same mistakes.  [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 05:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

== Unable To Download Wikipedia Pages As PDF ==

This is the error message:

    "name": "HTTPError",
    "message": "500",
    "status": 500,
    "detail": "Internal Server Error"

Please Help.  [[User:Excisive|Excisive]] ([[User talk:Excisive|talk]]) 05:30, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
{{tracked|T376438}}
: I got one too. Looks like this has been happening (inconsistently) for about a week. '''[[User:ClaudineChionh|ClaudineChionh]]''' <small>(''she/her'' · [[User talk:ClaudineChionh|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh|email]])</small> 07:03, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

== Where to discuss category loop ==

I noticed a category loop. Specifically, [[:Category:Primatology]] ⊂ [[:Category:Biological anthropology]] ⊂ [[:Category:Human biology]] ⊂ [[:Category:Humans]] ⊂ [[:Category:Hominina]] ⊂ [[:Category:Hominini]] ⊂ [[:Category:Homininae]] ⊂ [[:Category:Hominidae]] ⊂ [[:Category:Apes]] ⊂ [[:Category:Primate taxonomy]] ⊂ [[:Category:Primate taxa]] ⊂ [[:Category:Primates]] ⊂ [[:Category:Primatology]] ⊂ [[:Category:Biological anthropology]] ⊂…, which has length twelve. (There are also overlapping loops, such as one using [[:Category:Biological anthropology]] ⊂ [[:Category:Anthropology]] ⊂ [[:Category:Humans]] instead of [[:Category:Biological anthropology]] ⊂ [[:Category:Human biology]] ⊂ [[:Category:Humans]].) Because I recall that category loops are discouraged, I figured that I would bring it up in an appropriate talk page in order to create a discussion about how to fix it. (I personally favor changing [[:Category:Primate taxonomy]] ⊂ [[:Category:Primate taxa]] to [[:Category:Primate taxonomy]] ⊃ [[:Category:Primate taxa]], but I can see other users preferring alternatives.) My first idea was [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Portal_talk:Biology&action=edit&section=new Portal talk:Biology], but I got a message saying that I shouldn't post there because pages in the Portal talk namespace are not watched by many people. Where would be an appropriate place to discuss how to fix this category loop?  [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 07:31, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
:{{U|The_Nth_User}}, perhaps [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
:See also [[User:SDZeroBot/Category cycles]], though it wasn't updated in a while. You can ask the bot's operator for a refresh. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 09:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

== Multiple references to the same source, differing in the inclusion of quotes ==

I sometimes have, within the same article, multiple references to the same source, differing in the inclusion of quotes. Is there a way to do this without repeating the complete reference? I recall a recent notification about a new referencing tool, designed to support multiple references to the same source, with variations. I can't remember what differences it's designed to support - it may be just differing page numbers. Is that tool ready for use? Is there some other way to do what I need? Thanks! [[User:Misha Wolf|Misha Wolf]] ([[User talk:Misha Wolf|talk]]) 11:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

:Probably the easiest way to do this would be with {{tl|sfn}}. The "Possible issues " section in the docs cover a way to add quotes. [[User:Alpha3031|Alpha3031]] ([[User talk:Alpha3031|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alpha3031|c]]) 13:08, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Misha Wolf|Misha Wolf]] ([[User talk:Misha Wolf|talk]]) 21:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

== What is the best way to handle a major restructuring of an article? ==

I'm planning to restructure an article. This will involve multiple editing steps, during which the article will be a mess. What is the best way to do this? Should I copy the article to Draft space, do the restructuring, then select the text of the Draft, copy it, and paste it into the live article, replacing the existing text? A disadvantage of that approach is that the individual editing steps would not be visible in the article's history. Is there a better way? Thanks! [[User:Misha Wolf|Misha Wolf]] ([[User talk:Misha Wolf|talk]]) 11:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

:You can use {{tl|In use}} for big editing sessions and {{tl|Under construction}} in between sessions, but don't worry {{em|too much}} about article history if you're the only one making the edits. Having a few big edits in the article history has advantages as well as disadvantages, [[User:Misha Wolf|Misha Wolf]], so break up the edits in a way that makes sense to you, whether that's several smaller edits or fewer bigger ones. [[User:Alpha3031|Alpha3031]] ([[User talk:Alpha3031|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alpha3031|c]]) 13:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Misha Wolf|Misha Wolf]] ([[User talk:Misha Wolf|talk]]) 21:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

== linking to a specific part of another article ==

How do I write a link to a specific part of another article (an item in a list of historic places)? Thanks [[User:Pbergerd|Pbergerd]] ([[User talk:Pbergerd|talk]]) 14:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Pbergerd|Pbergerd]]. Does [[WP:ANCHOR]] answer your question? [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 14:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::it's a start. thanks [[User:Pbergerd|Pbergerd]] ([[User talk:Pbergerd|talk]]) 16:22, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

== archive.org ==

[https://web.archive.org archive.org] is now inaccessible, taken offline following DDOS attack.  Their estimated timeline currently "days, not weeks", but time will tell.  I assume that this is not connected to the existential threat to AI from ongoing copyright litigation from the publishing and music industries.

Which other organisations are preferred for new or replacement citation archiving? - [[User:Davidships|Davidships]] ([[User talk:Davidships|talk]]) 20:03, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
:You could try archive.today if you're just archiving web pages. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 22:03, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, archive.today is good and usually fairly fast. [[User:Cremastra|Cremastra]] ([[User talk:Cremastra|talk]]) 16:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
:There is also ghostarchive.org as an alternative. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 02:48, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks all, that's helpful. - [[User:Davidships|Davidships]] ([[User talk:Davidships|talk]]) 15:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

== Facebook  ==

Haked my Facebook account.. 
Ad fake  email address .. 
but have a my Facebook account  phone number! Plz help me?
because this account have a my important documents and chats and photos. [[Special:Contributions/103.111.14.1|103.111.14.1]] ([[User talk:103.111.14.1|talk]]) 21:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

:IP editor. This is the Help Desk for Wikipedia and we can't assist with [[Facebook]], so you will have to contact them. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 21:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

== Sidebar edit help ==

This sidebar with collapsible list [[:si:සැකිල්ල:Catholic Church hierarchy sidebar]] is too wide. can anyone help with it to make it a bit slimmer like in the [[template:Catholic Church hierarchy sidebar]]. [[User:VihirLak007|VihirLak007]] ([[User talk:VihirLak007|talk]]) 21:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
:[[User:VihirLak007|VihirLak007]], why not ask at [[:si:විකිපීඩියා:උදවු කවුළුව]]? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|VihirLak007}} It's the normal width for sidebars in the wiki but you can make it like {{tl|Catholic Church hierarchy sidebar}} with <code>| style = width:22em</code>. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you so much! [[User:VihirLak007|VihirLak007]] ([[User talk:VihirLak007|talk]]) 22:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)