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===09 November 2019===

====Suspected sockpuppets====
* {{checkuser|1=Hoseinkhosravii}}
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The junior account pops up slightly more than three months after the last edit by the senior account (thus evading Checkuser) for the purpose of editing [[Draft:Danial Hajibarat]].  The senior account has the name of the executive producer of two films that the subject directed.  This is not verifiable by Checkuser due to expiration of data, but the [[WP:DUCK|duck]] is quacking and swimming. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 20:35, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

====<big>Comments by other users</big>====
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====<big>Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</big>====
*There's similar uploading activity on commons as well, but Bidelirania is stale there too.  I'm assuming the 90-day rule is MWF-wide, not just for en?  The most interesting tidbit I've found so far is that although Hosein didn't edit until Nov 9th, their [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Hoseinkhosravii account was created on June 7], just [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Bidelirania one day after Bidelirania's].  Not sure that's enough to hang a sock on, though.  Bidelirania's account on fa-wiki was created on 22 Feb 2018, so I guess June 2019 is just the first time they logged into en-wiki.  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 23:02, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
*:90 days is the checkuser data retention period in the [[:m:CheckUser policy|global checkuser policy]], yes. Projects can set local policies that are more restrictive but not less, but I don't think that applies to the retention period anyway as it's coded into the mediawiki software.
*:If the user abandoned one account and then started editing with another, then there is no violation of the [[WP:SOCK|multiple accounts policy]]. I'll leave this open in case I misread something though. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 19:29, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
*I'd dropped [[:Template:Uw-agf-sock]] on both talk pages.  Closing this for now.  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 20:41, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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===16 April 2020===

====Suspected sockpuppets====

* {{checkuser|1=Bidelirania}}
* {{checkuser|1=Hoseinkhosravii}}
* {{checkuser|1=علیرضا رضوی}}

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The account [[User:Bidelirania]], which appears from [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Bidelirania&diff=948947600&oldid=900742828 this edit summary] to be an artists' organisation, made several unsuccessful page creation submissions for the film maker [[Danial Hajibarat]], as demonstrated at [[User_talk:Bidelirania|their talk page]]. The potential sockpuppet, [[User:Hoseinkhosravii]], then submitted the same page twice and it was rejected (see [[User talk:Hoseinkhosravii|their talk page]]) and then created the page anyway. Both these users have been asked on their talk pages whether there is any connection between them. Both editors have also worked on pages about the subject's creative works, and are now heavily involved in AfD discussions about the subject, without either of them submitting any relevant evidence to support their arguments. Their pattern of editing and their defensiveness regarding the AfD discussions makes me wonder whether they are connected and whether they have a Conflict of Interest. Please could you investigate? Many thanks, [[User:Dom Kaos|~dom Kaos~]] ([[User talk:Dom Kaos|talk]]) 08:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

:'''Edit''' A Google search shows that the subject of the AfD discussion, Danial Hajibarat, identifies himself [https://ir.linkedin.com/in/danial-hajibarat-804938192 on his LinkedIn page] as a Director of Bidel Irania. [[User:Dom Kaos|~dom Kaos~]] ([[User talk:Dom Kaos|talk]]) 08:30, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

====<big>Comments by other users</big>====
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No action was taken [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bidelirania/Archive|in the previous SPI]] because it was believed that this editor simply abandoned his first account and started editing using Hoseinkhosravii. However, this now appears to be a sleeper account as the two are now working in tandem in AfDs of articles created by Hoseinkhosravii ([[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Road of Love]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danial Hajibarat]]) [[User:GPL93|GPL93]] ([[User_talk:GPL93|talk]]) 11:59, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
:Also adding [[User:علیرضا رضوی]] who has similar editing patterns and is the third and only other keep vote in both of the AfDs mentioned above. [[User:GPL93|GPL93]] ([[User_talk:GPL93|talk]]) 12:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Created within 24 hours of each other, editing exactly the same articles (see also deleted contributions), supporting each other in deletion discussions with the same quality of English... [[WP:SOCK|Sock-]] or [[WP:MEAT|meatpuppetry]]. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 01:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
::Well, if someone does enough socking, multiple experienced editors will encounter and report the abuse, and that seems to be what has happened here.  [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 02:41, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


====<big>Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</big>====
*{{ping|Robert McClenon|RoySmith|Ivanvector|Dom Kaos|GPL93}} Now that's a rare case of four independent reports about exactly the same behavior. I have found a sleeper at [[User:Bideliran]] while blocking and tagging. Requesting checkuser to find other sleeping accounts. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 01:23, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
*These two accounts are {{possible}} to each other and to the master. {{nosleepers}}. <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 11:56, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
*Thanks – already {{bat}}; {{Clerk request}} I guess the case should be moved to "Bideliran" per account age. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 22:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
::[[User:ToBeFree|ToBeFree]] - {{done}}. [[User:Oshwah|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Oshwah~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Oshwah|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup>  04:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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===18 May 2020===

====Suspected sockpuppets====
* {{checkuser|1=علیرضا رضوی}}
* {{checkuser|1=Mina.FAMI}}
* {{checkuser|1=Mahshid.r}}
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[[User:Mina.FAMI]] became active less than two weeks after Bideliran was blocked and has edited in the same subject matter as Bideliran. Mina.FAMI has now tried to recreate [[Danial Hajibarat]], including recently even though this editor would presumably now since his first attempted was deleted via [[WP:G4]]. Last SPI,  علیرضا رضوی was confirmed as a possible sock and and stopped editing within a few days of the initial SPI blocks. That was until today, when the editor's first edits  since April 21 were to try to remove G4 tags from [[Danial Hajibarat]]. [[User:GPL93|GPL93]] ([[User_talk:GPL93|talk]]) 20:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

====<big>Comments by other users</big>====
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I wonder if there is an overlap with the socks of {{userlinks|پارسا آملی}} ([[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/پارسا آملی|SPI]]). The focus on creating unsourced stubs of Iranian actors and films is pretty much identical, and the created drafts also look very similar. At [[Draft:Nima Shahrokh Shahi]], created by Mina.FAMI, there are edits by {{userlinks|Sogand Kamranii}}, blocked as a sock of پارسا آملی yesterday. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 17:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


I have added Mahshid.r to the list of suspected sockpuppets. Look at the history of [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Draft:Siavosh_Tahmoures&action=history Draft:Siavosh Tahmoures]: علیرضا رضوی created it as an article, it was moved to draftspace, علیرضا رضوی submitted it to AfC without adding anything other than a link to another Wikipedia version, the draft was rejected, and Mahshid.r subsequently moved it to mainspace again.  This overlap in editing might have been coincidental, but there is also an overlap between Mahshid.r and one or the other (or both) of the other accounts mentioned in this report in several other articles, including [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bahareh_Afshari&action=history], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sahar_Ghoreishi&action=history], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Shirin_Bina&action=history], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hasht_Behesht_(TV_series)&action=history] (the last one created by {{userlinks|Hoseinkhosravii}} who was blocked as a sock of Bideliran a month ago).

Looking at the articles created by these different accounts, it is hard not to spot similarities: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hasan_Joveireh&oldid=957779629 Hasan Joveireh when it was created by Mina.FAMI], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jahanbakhsh_Soltani&oldid=953852467 Jahanbakhsh Soltani when it was created by Mahshid.r], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mani_Heidari&oldid=951286710 Mani Heidari when it was created by  Hoseinkhosravii]. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 18:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

====<big>Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</big>====
*I don't know if I'm going to help a lot here.
*The following accounts are {{likely}} (overlap on multiple IP ranges of different ISPs, using the same old OS but just slightly different useragents):
**{{checkuser|1=Hoseinkhosravii}}
**{{checkuser|1=Mahshid.r}}
*All of the other accounts are {{possible}} at best - similar geolocation but a variety of different networks and devices. {{behav}}. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 13:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
*Substantial behavioral overlap between Hoseinkhosravii and Mina.FAMI (the latter just about word-for-word recreated [[Danial Hajibarat]] after the former's version was deleted and used a number of images that the former uploaded). علیرضا رضوی isn't quite as strong a connection, but they show up at enough pages associated with known socks from this group (and swooped in to de-PROD/de-CSD a couple articles), and that's pretty suggestive to me. {{bnt}}, will G5 in a bit. [[User:GeneralNotability|GeneralNotability]] ([[User talk:GeneralNotability|talk]]) 19:28, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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