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=====<big>31 January 2013</big>=====


;Suspected sockpuppets
* {{checkip|1=77.42.167.156}}
* {{checkip|1=77.42.169.253}}
* {{checkip|1=77.42.209.47}}
* {{checkip|1=98.71.195.49}}
* {{checkip|1=98.71.217.155}}
* {{checkip|1=98.82.78.30}}
* {{checkuser|1=94.187.77.14 }}
* {{checkip|1=94.187.81.28}}
* {{checkip|1=94.187.82.170}}
* {{checkip|1=194.126.15.170}}
* {{checkip|1=195.229.99.112}}
* {{checkip|1=92.13.94.45}}
* {{checkip|1=98.71.196.218}}
* {{checkip|1=89.17.106.69}}
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Page history at [[Hilal Khashan]] shows a consistent pattern of editing, first by the registered user, then by constantly changing IP's to avoid [[WP:3RR]] infringements - [[User:Happysailor|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''Happysailor'''</span>]] [[User talk:Happysailor|<sup><span style="color:Green"><i>(Talk)</i></span></sup>]] 17:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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*Sayer has himself claimed to live in England, which would fit with the Ghouta IP. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 19:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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*You have IPs geolocating to three different countries, and the article is protected anyway. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:green;">DQ</span>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</span>]] 03:31, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
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=====<big>15 April 2015</big>=====


;Suspected sockpuppets
* {{checkip|1=92.3.14.149}}

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First time IP [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=656611521&oldid=656589583 revert] at [[Ghouta chemical attack]] days after [[User:Sayerslle]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive278#User:Sayerslle_reported_by_User:Erlbaeko_.28Result:_Blocked.29 blocked] for edit warring on page, with IP edit summary - "RS… synth…" - clearly showing IP has experience editing on wikipedia. User has a very long history of blocks for disruptive editing on this topic. I have linked Sayerslle here and have made a note on their talk page with the hope they can defend themselves. [[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 15:15, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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:That edit ''was'' removing synthesis. We've now reached a new low: That anyone trying to fix neutrality problems must be a sock. [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 18:23, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
::{{reply|Bobrayner}} I believe you should start by reading here: [[Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry|What is a sockpuppet?]] Then you can continue with the SPI below. [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 13:00, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

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*It's possible, but I'm not entirely convinced with just one diff. I semi-protected the page for 2 weeks to see if that might help. If the issue persists, please feel free to refile a case. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b>]]</span> 15:43, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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=====<big>17 May 2015</big>=====


;Suspected sockpuppets

* {{checkip|1=92.13.52.109}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.14.149}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.15.35}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.6.130}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.13.76}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.23.78}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.8.53}}
* {{checkip|1=92.13.89.124}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.3.229}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.5.86}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.28.195}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.5.255}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.15.0}}

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After a long dispute with Sayerslle, over a statement in the infobox at the [[Ghouta chemical attack]] article, [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&type=revision&diff=603283212&oldid=603282912 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&type=revision&diff=603283804&oldid=603283695 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&type=revision&diff=603286498&oldid=603284517 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&type=revision&diff=603917859&oldid=603902866 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&type=revision&diff=605597604&oldid=605585371 here], ip 92.13.52.109 reverted the statement to "Sayerslles version" 
with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&type=revision&diff=611810000&oldid=611809081 this revert]. Note the timestamp at 13:46. I Reverted at 13:55 with a reference to the talk page (see [[Talk:Ghouta_chemical_attack/Archive_5#Is_RT_considered_as_a_reliable_source_for_presenting_the_Syrian_governments_claims.3F|this discussion]]). 7 minutes later reverted Sayerslle my edit with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=next&oldid=611810000 this edit]. I did not (and could not) revert him, do to the 1RR-rule. At the time I suspected that the ip was a sockpuppet, but didn't report it. 

A year later, after no consensus could be reached for [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=655588245&oldid=655521845 Sayerslles removal] of Carla Del Pontes statement (see [[Talk:Ghouta_chemical_attack/Archive_5#Removal_Hersh_material|this discussion]]), ip 92.3.14.149 removed her statement again with this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=656611521&oldid=656589583 revert], calling it "synth", and asked what RS link her comments to Ghouta. I didn't report it, but Darouet did, [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sayerslle/Archive#15_April_2015|ref]], leading to a semi-protection of the page for 2 weeks. I did, however, reported him for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive278#User:Sayerslle_reported_by_User:Erlbaeko_.28Result:_Blocked.29 breaking the 1RR-rule] five days earlier, leading to a 4 months block.

Yesterday, a similar ip edit (ip 92.3.15.35) edited the article ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=662659837 diff]), adding biased and disputed material, only loosely related to the subject, to the article. This time without any revealing text in the edit summary. 

I find the behaviour very suspicious<s>, but I can't prove it. I therefor request a full check of the user(s)</s>. [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 17:02, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
:'''Update:'''. A similar ip (92.3.6.130)  just [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=next&oldid=662970111 reverted] Darouets attempt to condense the (all to long) lead at the [[Ghouta chemical attack]] article (compare with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=572876544 this] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=572940540 this] diff). Same ip also [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war&curid=39668667&diff=662979959&oldid=661746291 re-added] disputed information to the [[Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian civil war]] page, ignoring the [[Talk:Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Undeclared_.22traces_of_sarin.22|disussion on the talk page]]. No revealing text in the edit summary here neither. [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 20:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
::'''Update 2'''. Same pattern [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Eliot_Higgins&action=history here]. First an edit war (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Eliot_Higgins&type=revision&diff=644129534&oldid=644126488 diff], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Eliot_Higgins&type=revision&diff=644139003&oldid=644137679 diff] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Eliot_Higgins&type=revision&diff=644513539&oldid=644147892 diff] over: "He claimed that the Assad government used chemical weapons" vs. "He exposed the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime.". Then a [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Eliot_Higgins&type=revision&diff=647121576&oldid=647107786 ip revert] ( by 92.3.13.76), and then another [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Eliot_Higgins&type=revision&diff=647240420&oldid=647222760 ip revert] (by 92.3.23.78) "wins". [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 14:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
:::'''Update 3'''. Similar ip (92.3.8.53) just edited the [[Ghouta chemical attack]] article. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=next&oldid=663278921 diff], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=next&oldid=663278957 diff] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&type=revision&diff=663278781&oldid=663278346 diff]. Compare with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Eliot_Higgins&diff=prev&oldid=644129534 diff], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=655590521 diff] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sayerslle&diff=prev&oldid=655193939 diff]. 
{{Duck}}. [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 18:15, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

'''Final update''':
* On 15 June 2013, Behemoth [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Reyhanl%C4%B1_bombings&diff=559969219&oldid=558045739 removed] text from the "Suspected perpetrators"  section of the infobox in the [[Reyhanlı bombings]] article. The text was introduced by this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Reyhanl%C4%B1_bombings&diff=556113040&oldid=555858665 edit] on 21 May 2013. On 17 June 2013, a similar ip (92.13.89.124) re-add the text ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Reyhanl%C4%B1_bombings&diff=560319840&oldid=560249380 diff]). The same ip then changed the text and added a ref ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Reyhanl%C4%B1_bombings&diff=560320272&oldid=560319840 diff] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Reyhanl%C4%B1_bombings&diff=next&oldid=560320272 diff]). Sayerslle edited the article from the day after the attack([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Reyhanl%C4%B1_bombings&diff=554733079&oldid=554732095 diff]), and he made the very first edit after the text was first introduced into the infobox ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Reyhanl%C4%B1_bombings&diff=556133136&oldid=556113040 diff]). Compare the ref-style in this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Reyhanl%C4%B1_bombings&diff=next&oldid=560320272 diff] with this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Reyhanl%C4%B1_bombings&diff=556133136&oldid=556113040 diff].
* On 24 March 2015, within one of Sayerslles [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3ASayerslle&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= block periods], a similar ip (92.3.3.229) added a new section about Liz Wahl on [[RT (TV network)|RT]]s talkpage (see [[Talk:RT_(TV_network)#Liz_Wahl]] and this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:RT_%28TV_network%29?curid=9211925&diff=prev&oldid=653367096 diff]). Compare with this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sayerslle&diff=prev&oldid=657735086 diff].
* On 5 May 2015, within Sayerslles last block period, a similar ip (92.3.5.86) added an External link ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict?curid=43243199&diff=prev&oldid=660978604 diff]) to the [[2014 Israel–Gaza conflict]] article. Compare with this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict&diff=644135461&oldid=644003671 diff]. 
[[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 09:44, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
:'''Final update 2''': Similar ip (92.3.28.195) just edited the [[Ghouta chemical attack]] article. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.28.195 User contributions]. Same ip-range. Same topic. Same impolite language. Same (mis)use of the infobox. Same low level on his personal attacks. Compare [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=663957231 diff] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&curid=40313234&diff=663958165&oldid=663957231 diff] with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sayerslle&diff=prev&oldid=611819379 diff]. I recommend indefinite semi-protection of the [[Ghouta chemical attack]] article (temporary semi-protection have been tried), and indefinite block on the sock-master (ip-range block is not possible, due to other users). [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 17:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
::'''Final update 3:''' Similar ip (92.3.5.255) just edited the Ghouta chemical attack article, and also the [[Khan al-Assal chemical attack]] article. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.5.255 User contributions]. Same topic. Same style. Same bad habit of self-reverting personal attacks. Compare this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=next&oldid=664186470 diff] with this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sayerslle&diff=next&oldid=611819379 diff]. 
This is not only a block evasion. It has been going on for years. [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 02:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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*There is nothing for a checkuser to do here, but whether or not this is block evasion the IP's themselves almost certainly represent the same individual. I think there is an excellent case for semi-protecting the relevant articles for the duration of the 1RR restriction, in order to enforce said restriction. [[User:VQuakr|VQuakr]] ([[User talk:VQuakr|talk]]) 15:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Obvious socking activity here, also involving [[User:92.3.5.255]] and possibly [[User:2601:e:1e05:545a:f0f2:781f:63ef:cba7]], based on the history of [[Ghouta chemical attack]]. I support VQuakr's request for upping page protection, and I don't think full protection would be entirely unwarranted, considering the editing behavior of this SPI's nominator. -[[User:Kudzu1|Kudzu1]] ([[User talk:Kudzu1|talk]]) 15:14, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

There's also [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ghouta_chemical_attack&diff=664127155&oldid=664126214 this Talk page comment], which is at least an acknowledgement that there is some connection between Sayerslle and the IP(s). I wouldn't rule out meat-puppetry, but I think block evasion is the likely scenario here. -[[User:Kudzu1|Kudzu1]] ([[User talk:Kudzu1|talk]]) 15:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

:And in case there was any lingering shade of doubt, IP has [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Khan_al-Assal_chemical_attack&diff=664447952&oldid=664446333 confirmed] that he/she is Sayerslle. -[[User:Kudzu1|Kudzu1]] ([[User talk:Kudzu1|talk]]) 18:25, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
::That is just a part of the discussion. The rest is here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Khan_al-Assal_chemical_attack&oldid=664474554 old revision] (At the end of the "Removal of Russian investigation from incident section".) It is removed from the talkpage, after [[User_talk:Erlbaeko#Block_evasion|a request on my talkpage]] by this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Khan_al-Assal_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=664479392 diff]. [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 11:11, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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*{{declined}}. Checkusers will generally not link IP addresses to user accounts to ensure compliance with the [[m:Privacy policy|privacy policy]]. This will need to be evaluated on the basis of behavioural evidence. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 06:07, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
*Most of the pages have been semi'd, and I've reset Sayerslle's block. Closing. <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 05:05, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
::{{reply|Callanecc}} Am I wrong, or did you just change his blockperiod from 4 to 3 months, based on this SPI? [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 08:50, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
:::Yes and no. He added about 18 days to the block duration.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 12:09, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
::::{{reply|Bbb23}} Oh sorry, my mistake. I guess this second SPI whitin his latest block period, added 18 days to his block period, then. What if he continues to "contribute" as an IP-editor. Is it any point to report it? [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 12:41, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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=====<big>12 June 2015</big>=====


;Suspected sockpuppets
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This is a clear sockpuppet of Sayerslle. The written style, which is very unique, is exactly the same. The areas of interest are the same, as well. I can provide detailed evidence if it is required, but it shouldn't be. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 19:47, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

*It is absurd that I'm being forced to provide more evidence given the obvious nature of this case, as shown by the IP's postings below. However, I assume I must submit my self to bureaucracy. Here is a post [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=666631036 by the IP]. Here is a post months earlier [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=645481570 by Sayerslle] on the same topic. The written style is exactly the same, using dashes to separate phrases, along with single quotation marks, and a lack of punctuation or capitalisation. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 21:46, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
* {{checkip|1=92.3.10.9}} 
*The one above has written as Sayer below, and is also from the same general area. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 16:54, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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*I'm pretty baffled how this guy can go on edit warring and harassing when he is unblocked every once in a while. More worthy editors have been blocked indefinitely for less. He is a disruption-only account. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 21:21, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
: Sayerslle - look at the edit history - that is not a 'disruption only' account - 'funkmonk' is an editor that lies routinely and seeks to harass editors who don't share his sectarian ideology off the site thats all- [[Animal Farm]] , one of the articles edited by the 'disruption only' account, contains a description  of the pigs  bullyng the other animals  and that is wp pretty much - pig bullies dominate and sayerslle , having read his Orwell , is philosophical about this archetypal set-up  , these 'sockpuppet' investigations  are  puffed up self important pathetic 'show trials' - 'Sayerslle' edited some talk pages as an ip- big deal -  don't panic- the sky wont fall.   what on earth are you so determined to silence? concentrate on content not editors. that is the point of the place. and don't lie funkmonk - you saying 'disruption only' is a lie - sayerslle edited many articles - your logic would mean it must all be deleted as disruption only - but you wont do that will you? you write a load of rubbish lies. [[Special:Contributions/92.3.10.13|92.3.10.13]] ([[User talk:92.3.10.13|talk]]) 01:20, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::Continuous edit-warring and name-calling is disruption. If you're unable to grasp that, then the problem is obvious. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 01:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::disruption ONLY you write-you are a liar -  it is as much (more ) you who attack  and continuous name-call 'cheerlead for nusrats' etc etc - if you're unable to grasp that, and your whole ideological world view suggests you are unable to see any bad on your 'side' , and are happy only to caricature and name-call, then the problem for those editors who happen to annoy you, is obvious. they will be harassed and persecuted. nauseating. it makes me vomit but I've had enough. wps reputation will suffer more and more I predict though as the bullypigs  and spa/pov editors , and ignorant admins who collude with them endure while evidently good faith contributors fall away in disgust. [[Special:Contributions/92.3.10.9|92.3.10.9]] ([[User talk:92.3.10.9|talk]]) 15:49, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::So you pretty much confirm you are Sayer? That's all we need to know. {{u|Vanjagenije}}, I suggest you read the above. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 05:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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*{{clerknote}} {{ping|RGloucester}} In order to facilitate and expedite your request, please provide diffs to support your case. Please give two or more diffs meeting the following format: 
# At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
# At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
# In situations where it is not ''immediately'' obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this. '''[[User:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#008B8B;">Vanjagenije</span>]] [[User talk:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#F4A460;">(talk)</span>]]''' 20:34, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:*{{Clerknote}} This IP should be blocked for three days for personal attacks against other editor, regardless of sockpuppetry. But, the question here is: whether the IP is operated by Sayerslle? If yes, than his block needs to be at least reset to new four months. I think it is safe to say that it is, indeed, Sayerslle. '''[[User:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#008B8B;">Vanjagenije</span>]] [[User talk:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#F4A460;">(talk)</span>]]''' 10:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
::*{{reply|Vanjagenije}} In my view, if you believe the IP is Sayerslle, I would extend the master's block to indefinite. First, how persuaded are you? Second, why only four months? I haven't evaluated the merits myself.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 01:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Bbb23}} I said four months, because he was already blocked for four months on 29 May [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ASayerslle], and that block was still active when I posted the above comment. Now, I see that {{U|JamesBWatson}} blocked him indefinitely, which I think is OK. Since both the sock and the master are blocked, I'm closing the case. '''[[User:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#008B8B;">Vanjagenije</span>]] [[User talk:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#F4A460;">(talk)</span>]]''' 13:46, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

*{{ec}} I find [[User:Vanjagenije|Vanjagenije's]] comments surprising. Just how much more obvious would it need to be? Even a minute's glance at the history makes it clear, and a few minutes are enough to make it blindingly clear. Insisting on diffs was actually unhelpful, because it has forced [[User:RGloucester|RGloucester]] to tell the sockpuppeteer what sort of evidence gives the game away, and thus what to avoid next time. (Also, is it usual for clerks to tell administrators how long to block for? And where does the specific figure of 3 days come from?) I agree entirely with [[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]], and have extended Sayerslle's block to indefinite. I have also blocked the IP addresses for a week. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "[[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]]" ([[User talk:JamesBWatson#top|talk]]) 13:55, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

:* {{ping|JamesBWatson}} What exactly is surprising? '''[[User:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#008B8B;">Vanjagenije</span>]] [[User talk:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#F4A460;">(talk)</span>]]''' 13:58, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
:* {{ec}} {{reply|JamesBWatson}} I have no strong objection to your extending Sayerslle's block to indefinite based on your (and {{U|Vanjagenije}}'s) conclusions. However, I think it would have been better for you to offer your opinion in these circumstances rather than act unilaterally. You have blocked on your own in other SPIs, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but this is a special case. Vanjagenije is a non-admin clerk and in all respects acts as a clerk except that he cannot perform administrative actions and has to ask an administrator to do so. If he were an admin clerk, he could have just done what he thought best, and although any administrative action is subject to review, typically actions at SPI are not reviewed except perhaps after an unblock request. The main difference between Vanjagenije and a full clerk is that he's still classified as a clerk-trainee. For that reason sometimes I question him on his rationales and/or his reasoning. I do partly for the good of the project, of course, but also for his training. He's very amenable to constructive questions/suggestions/etc. So, to get back to your question: yes, it's normal for Vanjagenije to recommend a block or blocks and the durations. Thanks for your understanding.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 14:06, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
:*OK, it seems I misunderstood the role of a clerk. Thanks to [[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] for clearing up my misunderstanding, and my apologies to [[User:Vanjagenije|Vanjagenije]]. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "[[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]]" ([[User talk:JamesBWatson#top|talk]]) 16:13, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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===22 November 2015===


;Suspected sockpuppets


* {{checkip|1=92.3.17.239}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.28.156}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.13.248}}

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Long banned user Sayerslle has regularly tried to continue offensive editing and edit warring on Syrian Civil War subjects from various IP addresses throughout N Wales ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.8.53], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.15.0], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.5.255], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.28.195], etc). IP contributions above ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.17.239], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.13.248], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.28.156]) all refer to me and other editors as if they've known us a while, call us "fascists," "Russia" or "Putin lovers," and are full of the foul language that helped get Sayerslle banned. A rangeblock would be appreciated if that is possible. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 02:05, 22 November 2015 (UTC) [[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 02:05, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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*One IP blocked, other two not active since 28 October. The range is obviously too large for blocking, so I'm closing this. '''[[User:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#008B8B;">Vanjagenije</span>]] [[User talk:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#F4A460;">(talk)</span>]]''' 12:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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===23 December 2015===


;Suspected sockpuppets


* {{checkip|1=92.3.24.88}}

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Sayerslle just [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Darouet&diff=prev&oldid=696424422 vandalized] my user page. After being indeff'd for edit warring and being a generally crazy person, Sayerslle continues to believe that I (and Vladimir Putin) are his arch nemeses. This is documented in the investigations above but in case you're not sure, could someone block this IP as a vandal, irrespective of their relationship to Sayer, so they don't harass me? Thanks. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 02:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC) [[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 02:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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====<big>Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</big>====
*Blocked. Closing. '''[[User:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#008B8B;">Vanjagenije</span>]] [[User talk:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#F4A460;">(talk)</span>]]''' 09:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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===26 December 2015===


;Suspected sockpuppets


* {{checkip|1=92.3.10.114}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.31.175}}

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Only activity shows these are indeff'd user Sayerslle's vandal accounts ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.10.114],[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.31.175]). Is it possible to 1) protect my user page so that only I can edit it and 2) get a range block on some of these IPs that Sayer is using? Thanks and happy Dies Natalis Solis Invicti. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 03:35, 26 December 2015 (UTC) [[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 03:35, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

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====<big>Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</big>====
*IPs already blocked, but it is not possible to block such large ranges. Page is now protected, so I'm closing this. '''[[User:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#008B8B;">Vanjagenije</span>]] [[User talk:Vanjagenije|<span style="color:#F4A460;">(talk)</span>]]''' 11:14, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
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===21 June 2016===


====Suspected sockpuppets====

* {{checkip|1=92.3.30.114}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.22.140}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.12.105}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.0.7}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.24.108}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.26.69}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.8.233}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.4.109}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.30.196}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.0.7}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.18.114}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.6.54}}

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Same interests (Russian intervention in Syria), geolocates to Wales, same tone (personal attacks – [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_military_intervention_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War&diff=prev&oldid=726160316 diff], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EtienneDolet&diff=prev&oldid=713075075 diff], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EtienneDolet&diff=prev&oldid=713156236 diff]), is not even denying it ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_military_intervention_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War&diff=726314146&oldid=726311451 diff]). [[User:Tobby72|Tobby72]] ([[User talk:Tobby72|talk]]) 18:05, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

:[[Special:Contributions/92.3.12.105|92.3.12.105]] was blocked yesterday. -- [[User:Tobby72|Tobby72]] ([[User talk:Tobby72|talk]]) 21:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

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Please note that I've just removed more of the same trolling by IP 92.3.0.7 on the "Russian military intervention in the Syrian Civil War" talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_military_intervention_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War&diff=726403423&oldid=726319773 here]. Same location and, as can be seen above, no attempt to hide the fact that they are one and the same user. It's extremely disruptive. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 23:42, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

:IP admitted that he is [[User:Sayerslle]] - [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:My_very_best_wishes&diff=726646794&oldid=726576542]. I encouraged him to contact [[User:Bbb23]] (blocking administrator) to discuss how he might be able to stop socking and possibly continue contributing to the project under certain editing restrictions (1RR, not commenting about other contributors anywhere or something else). I suggest to restore talk page access of Sayerslle to allow discussion or possibly a request to unblock. However, all of that is obviously on discretion of Bbb23 and other admins. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 18:32, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
::Sayerslle has a dynamic IP, therefore it's difficult to track all of the 'contributions' he (I seem to recall that s/he is a he) has made. I've just added a couple more of the IP range activities. I do recall him as an editor, and can attest to the fact that he made useful contributions and would listen to other editors he felt agreed with him. What I also recall is that he would edit war and be uncivil towards anyone and everyone who didn't agree with his POV. I wasn't surprised by the fact of his eventual block. I can say that I was saddened by it as he always borderline constructive, but the balance lies in the WP:DE/WP:BATTLEGROUND/WP:GRUDGE nature of his attitude towards editing. Someone as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iryna_Harpy#.27Its_extremely_disruptive_-_this_account_need_to_be_blocked.27 unrepentantly aggressive and adversarial] as this editor is bad news for the project. He remains of the conviction that it's everyone else, not him, who is to blame, and that some good editing is enough for the community to tolerate the gloves off edit warring he was always prepared to engage in. Well, that's my 2¢. If anyone is prepared to review the block, I believe that all of his IP edits and attacks on other users need to be taken under consideration. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 21:13, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
:::This is very wide range of IP addresses... He was able to contribute positively on a number of subjects at the beginning of his editing in the project. If I were an admin, my inclination would be to try to agree with him about editing under certain editing restrictions. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 22:24, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
::::@Bbb23. Thank you for clarification! I think that is exactly what we needed here. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 00:06, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::His continued behaviour makes it clear that he is extremely far from being worth unblocking. Anyone really imagines he will change if he gets unblocked yet again? [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 13:57, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::::::I left him a message. Yes, sure, everyone can change to the better. And I think he is a good person. This is simply a difficult editing environment, especially for someone with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Sayerslle&oldid=605662906 certain moral values] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_temperaments#Choleric hot temper]. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 17:17, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::::If it's all just POV dreck and belligerent attitudes on talk pages/summaries, as 90% of his previous edits, there's little to gain. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 18:43, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
::::::::This is not so based on his edit history [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Sayerslle&dir=prev&limit=500&target=Sayerslle]. He contributed positively in the beginning. However, this is pointless discussion. If he follows my advise, there will be no any further SPI discussions about this user. If he does not, I give up. As we all know, such users are problematic not because they open new accounts, but because they continue their crusades (on whatever subject), have difficulty interacting with other users, and so on. If any user can contribute positively without being in a permanent conflict with others (and this user definitely could), no one will ever block him. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

====<big>Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</big>====
There's so many things wrong with this picture. I was not the blocking administrator. {{U|JamesBWatson}} was. Other than an ''earlier'' block, the only thing I did was to revoke Talk page access. Evading a block is '''not''' the way to get unblocked. If their Talk page wasn't inaccessible, they would simply file an unblock request. In this case, they would file an appeal with [[WP:UTRS]] (I don't know if they tried that). Despite what some have said in the archives, the range is not too large to block. I've blocked larger. Based on the admission by the master and the archives, I've blocked the range. The only thing I will do for the master after I close this case is to reinstate Talk page access so they can comment there if they wish. However, if they misbehave as they did last time, I will revoke it again. Also, it's fairly safe to assume that no one will agree to unblock them now based on the continuous block evasion. The best they can hope for is the standard offer of six months with no evidence of sock puppetry or block evasion during that time frame. Closing.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 00:00, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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===17 November 2016===


====Suspected sockpuppets====


* {{checkip|1=92.3.13.137}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.14.234}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.1.123}}
* {{checkip|1=92.3.12.194}}

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Pinging the most recent admins involved, {{ping|Bbb23|JamesBWatson|Vanjagenije}} No investigation requested, just the same as before: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghouta_chemical_attack&action=history Return to editing of the Ghouta article] with the usual IP set, and knowledge of existing editors, e.g. "erlbaeko and his rancid pro-Fascist agenda of lies and PutinRussian garbage. [sic]" Rangeblock or article protection, if this is enough of a [[WP:DUCK]] for you? Let me know if not. P.S. Bbb23 sorry for my faux pas on the archive edit. [[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 22:17, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

:Also given [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADarouet&type=revision&diff=750211252&oldid=749784180 this] if you protect the article instead of a range block, perhaps you could temporarily protect my talk as well. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 14:29, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

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====<big>Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</big>====
Range block imposed. Closing.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:00, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

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===24 February 2019===


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* {{checkuser|1=Dan the Plumber}}
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Very frequent use of lowercase "imo"
*'''Sayerslle''': There's an abundance of those in most of his dicsussions.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=%22imo%22%3B+%22sayerslle%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22namespaces%22%3A%5B1%5D%7D&ns1=1] Anyone who scans the [[Talk:Syrian Civil War]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=%22imo%22&prefix=Talk%3ASyrian+Civil+War&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22namespaces%22%3A%5B0%5D%7D&ns0=1 archives] would easily notice that the vast majority of the ones in lowercase are his.
*'''Dan''': [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=%22imo%22%3B+%22dan+the+plumber%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22namespaces%22%3A%5B1%5D%7D&ns1=1] and I count 3 of those in [[Talk:Douma chemical attack]] alone ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Douma_chemical_attack&oldid=884704785#91.5%_of_confirmed_chemical_attacks_by_Assad_government current revision])
Space before comma
*'''Sayer''': Not that hard to find either. A quick scan of the archives on T:SCW or [[Talk:Ghouta chemical attack]], for example, would confirm this <small>(only other user who does that frequently is Sopher99, [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sopher99|also a sockpuppeteer]], though not as frequently as Sayer)</small>. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ghouta_chemical_attack/Archive_2&oldid=574500203 Here], for example, 25 out of 27 uses of "<span style= "color:Black;background:#FFD700;"> ,</span>" (excluding content list) are Sayer's. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Syrian_Civil_War/Archive_33&oldid=784998505 Here] 12 out of 13 are Sayer's.
*'''Dan''': Ditto. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Douma_chemical_attack&oldid=884704785 Here] all 7 of them are Dan's. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dan_the_Plumber&oldid=881447614 Here] all 9 of them are Dan's. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tulsi_Gabbard&oldid=884630961 Here] all 12 of them are Dan's. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Huldra&oldid=882611902 Here] all 16 of them are Dan's.
Single quotation marks (both rarely, ''if ever'', use double quotations, especially when quoting fellow Wikipedians)
*'''Sayer''': There's literally a fuckton of those that you won't find through conventional search methods but are nevertheless found in almost ''every single discussion'' involving Sayer or Dan. (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ghouta_chemical_attack/Archive_5]; Ctrl+F is your friend)
*'''Dan''': Ditto (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tulsi_Gabbard&oldid=884630961#References_not_mentioning_Gabbard_at_all_restored])
Insists on using the term "regime" instead of "government"
*'''Sayer''': [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Syrian_Civil_War/Archive_20#Government_or_regime Related discussion]
*'''Dan''': [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Douma_chemical_attack&oldid=884704785#91.5%_of_confirmed_chemical_attacks_by_Assad_government Related discussion]
Use of "drivel" and "waffle" in the same comment
*'''Sayer''': [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014%E2%80%93present)&diff=prev&oldid=626227508]
*'''Dan''': [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tucker_Carlson&diff=884592089&oldid=884555519]
[[User:Fitzcarmalan|Fitzcarmalan]] ([[User talk:Fitzcarmalan|talk]]) 00:45, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

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====<big>Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</big>====
{{confirmed}}, blocked, tagged, closing.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 14:38, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

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===22 May 2019===

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* {{checkip|1=92.3.3.67}}

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IP editing typical [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sayerslle/Archive] Sayerslle hobby horse articles that are a part of the Syrian Civil War [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Seymour_Hersh&diff=prev&oldid=897648106][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Douma_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=897631057][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Douma_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=897630275][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War&diff=prev&oldid=895984692], and making their characteristic vandalisms to my user page [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Darouet&diff=prev&oldid=897571367] (see from before e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User%3ADarouet&type=revision&diff=702823091&oldid=701233765], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User%3ADarouet&type=revision&diff=709916218&oldid=702824176], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User%3ADarouet&type=revision&diff=710006359&oldid=709916406], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.31.175]). It's inappropriate that a user long-banned for their conduct on these pages is taking the liberty to lead discussions on the topic, and harass other contributors, via IP. Help is appreciated. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 16:32, 22 May 2019 (UTC) [[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 16:32, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
* I added a link to an informative article about Syria, and then '''reverted the edit straight away''' because , whats the use?  You are going out of your way to feel 'harassed' really.  What other contributors has this IP 'harassed'? You make stuff up. 'take the liberty to Lead discussions'??!! wtf?  [[Special:Contributions/92.3.3.67|92.3.3.67]] ([[User talk:92.3.3.67|talk]]) 18:46, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

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* Based on similar IPs in previous reports, I have blocked [[Special:Contribs/92.3.0.0/19]] for 3 months. There's a very small amount of collateral damage in the upper half of that range ([[Special:Contributions/92.3.16.0/20]]), but this sockpuppeteer has used IPs in that range before ([[Special:Contributions/92.3.28.195]], [[Special:Contributions/92.3.23.78]]), so if someone feels that the range block is too severe, I'd recommend switching it to anonymous only, or alternately, switching it to [[Special:Contribs/92.3.0.0/20]]. In any event, I'm closing this case for now. Please let us know if you see any further activity. [[User:ST47|ST47]] ([[User talk:ST47|talk]]) 22:24, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

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===06 August 2019===


====Suspected sockpuppets====

* {{checkuser|1=Thingaboutit}}
* {{checkip|1=78.144.95.235}}
* {{checkip|1=78.144.95.36}}
* {{checkip|1=78.144.83.73}}
* {{checkip|1=78.147.36.67}}

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Like [[User:Sayerslle]], 78.144.95.235 edits exclusively on the topic of the Syrian Civil War [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.144.95.235]. Some of their edits and edit summaries have been redacted (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Douma_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=903899876] and two subsequent edits that I can't link to) on the page of [[User:Cambial Yellowing]]. A closely linked IP, 78.144.83.73, was recently blocked [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.144.83.73] for the same kind of abusive behavior as Sayerslle. Typical shorthand references to Putin [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Douma_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=903885273] in edit summaries. [[User:El_C]] since it looks like you've been involved perhaps you'd be willing to investigate. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 14:19, 6 August 2019 (UTC) [[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 14:19, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, [[User:Darouet]]. I actually submitted this once before but apparently it was formatted wrong. I've added in another of the ip addresses above. The person admitted to being Sayerslle [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AVQuakr&type=revision&diff=904705427&oldid=904681065 here] and admitted they were a banned editor again [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACambial_Yellowing&type=revision&diff=909300862&oldid=909254989 here]. Seem like a range block may be justified. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#4682B4 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#4682B4 -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#000000">[[User:Cambial Yellowing|<i style="color:#999900">Cambial Yellowing</i>]][[User talk:Cambial Yellowing|(❧)]]</span> 15:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

::Clerk: note that based on diffs added by Cambial Yellowing I've added [[User:Thingaboutit]]. I'll go make a note on their page ASAP. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 15:56, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

{{re|Bbb23}} can something be done about the IPs? They have plainly admitted [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AVQuakr&type=revision&diff=904705427&oldid=904681065] or all but stated [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACambial_Yellowing&type=revision&diff=909300862&oldid=909254989] that they are Sayerslle socks, as the behavioral evidence I noted above also shows. Please do let me know if there is uncertainty here in the IP connections to the sockmaster, if I need to provide further evidence, or if there is some other administrative issue I'm unaware of. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 18:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

:The active IP is blocked (briefly) and the other two no longer appear active, so perhaps the request is no longer needed. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 18:36, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

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*I think long-term semi-protection of [[Douma chemical attack]] is warranted, though this was recently declined at RFPP. [[User:VQuakr|VQuakr]] ([[User talk:VQuakr|talk]]) 21:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

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{{confirmed}}, blocked and tagged. {{Nc}}.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 18:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
*Article protected until 21:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC) by El C. IPs most likely stale/moved on given dynamic nature and time passed. Closing. [[User:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">The</span><span style="color:#009933; font-weight:bold;">SandDoctor</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 18:56, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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===30 October 2019===


====Suspected sockpuppets====

* {{checkuser|1=Bulldog Antz}}

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As previously noted, two characteristics of Sayerslle's edits are to include a superfluous space before punctuation (comma, period) as Bulldog Antz has done [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jimmy_Dore&diff=prev&oldid=922809346 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jimmy_Dore&diff=prev&oldid=922236351 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tulsi_Gabbard&diff=prev&oldid=922210137 here], and in their edit summaries [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Siege_of_Kut&diff=prev&oldid=922191288 here] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Racism_in_the_work_of_Charles_Dickens&diff=prev&oldid=919784967 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Zelimkhan_Khangoshvili&diff=prev&oldid=918256001 here].  Cf.  SPI for Dan the Plumber (24 Feb 2019).  They continue to be belligerent (blocked by Bishonen for attacking me with their first edit), focused on questions related to Syria, Khan Shaykhun, Bellingcat, Tulsi Gabbard and her supporters (e.g. Jimmy Dore).  They also display Sayerslle's penchant for typing "ffs" (e.g. edit summary [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Siege_of_Kut&diff=prev&oldid=922191288 here].  Several of their contributions have had to be deleted. 🌿  [[User:SashiRolls | SashiRolls]] <sup>[[User_talk:SashiRolls | t]] ·   [[Special:Contributions/SashiRolls|c]]</sup> 11:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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* The punctuation thing is interesting, but looking through the histories of the named socks in the archive, I don't see it enough to think it's a defining characteristic.  As for saying, "ffs", sadly, that also seems common enough in the general population that I can't call it significant.  Also, Sayerslle goes more for IPs than sock accounts.  Maybe blockable for disruption, or [[WP:CIVIL]], or something along those lines, but I'm not convinced of socking based on the evidence presented here.  I'll leave this open; somebody else may have another opinion.  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 13:47, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
*{{confirmed}}, blocked, tagged, closing.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 14:44, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
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===04 December 2019===

====Suspected sockpuppets====
* {{checkuser|1=The Bone Dorchester}}

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Immediately after being blocked as Bulldog Antz, Sayerslle has returned as The Bone Dorchester:

Common pages edited:

*Wagner Group: 14 edits
*Douma Chemical Attack: 31 edits
*Tulsi Gabbard:  (edited as [[User:Dan the Plumber]] & as [[User:Bulldog Antz]])
*September 2016 Urum al-Kalbra Aid Convoy attack:  (9, of which 6 have been deleted)
*Mike Leigh: (edited as [[User:Dan the Plumber]] & as [[User:Bulldog Antz]])
*Zelimkhan Khangoshvili: (edited as [[User:Bulldog Antz]])

editor interaction analyser with last sock Bulldog Antz (4 common pages):  [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py?users=Bulldog+Antz&users=The+Bone+Dorchester&users=&startdate=&enddate=&ns=&server=enwiki §]

editor interaction with previous sock Dan the Plumber (7 common pages):  [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py?users=Dan+the+Plumber&users=The+Bone+Dorchester&users=&startdate=&enddate=&ns=&server=enwiki]

'''Distinctive signs''':

*Uses single quotes rather than double quotes [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=929098923&diff=prev 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=929123704&diff=prev 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=September_2016_Urum_al-Kubra_Aid_Convoy_attack&diff=prev&oldid=929143353 3], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Where_Am_I_Going%3F&diff=prev&oldid=927340764 4], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:The_Bone_Dorchester/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=929137380 5]

*adds spaces before punctuation [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=928234084&diff=prev 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=928233500&diff=prev 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=928954025&diff=prev 3], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=928993606&diff=prev 4], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=929099519&diff=prev 5]

*aggressive or BLP-violating edit summaries:  [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jonathan_Steele&type=revision&diff=928961419&oldid=928960502 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Douma_chemical_attack&diff=prev&oldid=928993606 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=September_2016_Urum_al-Kubra_Aid_Convoy_attack&diff=prev&oldid=929111422 3], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EkoGraf&diff=prev&oldid=927324681 4]

🌿  [[User:SashiRolls | SashiRolls]] <sup>[[User_talk:SashiRolls | t]] ·   [[Special:Contributions/SashiRolls|c]]</sup> 09:46, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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====<big>Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</big>====
*{{confirmed}} and {{bnt}}. Closing. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 02:36, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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