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== Issue with [[Template:Protected title]] ==

For some reason, the {{tl|protected title}} template (used at [[Wikipedia:Protected titles]]) is now applying cascading protection to existent templates listed in this manner, despite the fact that they clearly aren't transcluded (but MediaWiki reports that they are): [[Wikipedia:Protected titles/Today's featured article A]]<br />
I'm baffled as to why this is occurring, and I was unable to duplicate this result by manually adding an ordinary link to a cascade-protected page (which is all that should be happening and all that appears to be happening).  Can anyone figure out what's going on?  —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 14:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:See [[m:Help:ParserFunctions|Code_execution]].--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 15:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::I'm still a bit confused.  Why would this only affect templates (and not other pages)?  —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:::It is about side-effects of wikitext processing, other than rendering the page; it also affects the link table.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 16:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::::What I don't understand is why this doesn't cause existent pages other than templates (articles, etc) to be protected.  —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 16:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Do you have an example? It seems they are protected too.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 16:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::Oh, wow.  You're right.  When I tested this earlier, the article that I selected at random ([[Cat]]) happened to be semi-protected, and this condition apparently prevents the cascading protection message from appearing when a sysop attempts to edit the page.
::::::I'm nearly certain that this bug manifestation didn't exist when I created [[WP:PT]] (and was introduced in a subsequent MediaWiki revision).  It isn't a big deal, but it should be addressed (if possible).  —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 17:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::I'm not quite clear on what needs to be done to change this behavior.  —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:::From the linked text: 
:::put the whole parser function call inside the braces or brackets, e.g. <nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|a|b}} | ''parameters'' }} instead of <nowiki>{{ #ifexpr:.. | {{a|</nowiki>''parameters''}} | <nowiki>{{</nowiki>b |''parameters''}} }}. If there is no else-part a dummy template such as {{tim|x0}} can be used:<nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|a|x0}} | ''parameters'' }} instead of <nowiki>{{ #ifexpr:.. | {{</nowiki>a|''parameters''}} }}. If the parameters of a and b are not the same the parser function can be split up into one for the then-part, and one with inverse condition with the else-part becoming then-part (or the same condition and only an else-part): <nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|a|x0}} | ''parameters of a'' }}<nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|x0|b}} | ''parameters of b'' }} instead of <nowiki>{{ #ifexpr:.. | {{a|</nowiki>''parameters of a''}} | <nowiki>{{</nowiki>b |''parameters of b''}} }}.
:::I think that can be applied here too.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 16:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Yes, I read that suggestion, but I'm not quite clear on how to implement it.  Any assistance that you can provide would be much appreciated.  —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 16:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::Has a bug report been filed?  —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Not that I know of. It may not be so easy to change, it is how parser functions are processed: by first processing the parameters (including noting that a page is transcluded, for, among other things, the purpose of cascading protection), and then applying the parser function itself (such as discarding the included template if the condition is false).--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 16:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


For the record, Patrick devised a clever coding solution.  Thanks again, Patrick!  —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 18:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Image resize quality ==

I uploaded an image (click on the thumbnail): [[Image:Point_Bonita_Light.jpg|thumb]]
What I notice is that the resized version (800x530) shown on the image's page looks very unsharp. (If you look at the original size, you will see that it is quite sharp.) As a test, I uploaded the same image to my Flickr account. The resizing algorithm there seems to do a much better job. See:
[http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/443197144_59edd4be29_b.jpg]
or
[http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/443197144_59edd4be29.jpg]
(the wikipedia size is in between these two sizes).

Does anybody else notice this effect? It doesn't look like a JPEG artifact, but maybe a poor resizing algorithm.  [[User:Joshmt|Josh Thompson]] 06:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:Looks like an [[Unsharp masking|unsharp mask]] was used on the Flickr versions. I downloaded your [[Nikon D50]] original, resampled this to 1024*678 and took the arithmetic difference with the Flickr version. The outline of the edges are clearly visible. Especially on a large zoom of the lighthouse antenna/[[lightning rod]], So, can’t really blame the resizing algorithm, unless you expect an image filter to go standard along with it.. --[[User:Van helsing|Van helsing]] 09:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::Fair enough. It doesn't surprise me that Flickr does some processing. Thanks for your efforts. [[User:Joshmt|Josh Thompson]] 10:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, Flickr does some sharpening on resized images; we don't currently do that but have considered adding it, as a slight sharpening generally increases perceived quality. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|brion]] 18:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::Any pointers on how one might insert an extra sharpening step into the rendering performed on a private Mediawiki site?  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 02:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:I would find the code that calls the "convert" program, and change it's command line. It is all [[imagemagick]] based. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 02:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Moving a category ==

Why can't categories be moved?? Surely the developers should make them movable?? I can understand images not being like this, but categories... --[[User:Koyne Farllis|Koyne Farllis]] 15:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:Moving a category would involve changing all the inclusions to it on all pages that it contains. Such moves are done by bot (see [[WP:CFD/W]]). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 16:39, 1 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::I still don't understand. Why couldn't there be redirect similar to an article being moved? --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 19:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Template clash ==

Currently, {{t1|featured article}} and {{t1|sprotected2}} both put their symbol right in the upper right corner of the screen. They clash with eash other if a page has both, such as [[The Simpsons]]. Should one of these be changed? [[user:mrholybrain|mrholybrain]][[user_talk:mrholybrain|<span style="color:red;">'s talk</span>]] 00:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:I've brought this issue up before on the relevant talk pages. My proposed solution was to create a single template that would accept as parameters the names of other templates, and would then space the images appropriately, rather than having many different templates use absolute values. This, of course, would require quite a bit of work to implement. There are some disputes going on at some of the protection templates right now, so it'd be pretty much impossible to get a word in edgewise regarding this problem. The three most common corner templates (spoken, fa, and sprotect2) used to be at different positions until the latest protection template changes. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 01:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== More on sortable tables ==

Ongoing discussion at [[Template talk:Sortablename]]. --[[User Talk:Random832|Random832]] 13:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Combined-category filtering ==

It occurred to me recently that it would be useful to have a tool, for non-technical users, whereby articles in two specified categories could be listed; for instance "all articles in category:Birmingham also in Category:articles needing cleanup" or "all articles in category: living people also in category:people from Birmingham". I have no idea how this might be achieved, not the skills to implement it,. Anyone interested? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 07:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:Try [[m:User:Duesentrieb/CatScan]]. It may have a problem with [[:Category:Living people]] because it's so large; I tried an intersect of [[:Category:People from Birmingham, England]] with that and it died on me after a few minutes.-[[User talk:gadfium|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#808080;">gadfium</span>]] 08:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
::[[WP:AWB]] has a list comparer function, where you can load the articles in two categories (or from what links here and others) and find which are in both, one or the other. It will take ages to load large categories though. You could try scanning the [[m:data dumps]] offline for large categories, although the data might be slightly out of date. [[User:Mattbr|matt]][[User talk:Mattbr|br]] 10:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Inputbox==
Does the "editintro=" parameter work for comments added to an existing page using the inputbox function? The [[Help:Inputbox]] page seems to suggest it does, but I can't get it to work. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 01:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
:Never mind, I misread. All resolved. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 05:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== category weirdness ==

Can someone help me figure out why [[:Category:Amz]] isn't showing up in [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]]? <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 01:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:It probably has something to do with the [[m:job queue|job queue]] being at [[Special:Statistics|2,339,644]]. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 01:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::46 hours after it was tagged for speedy? I've seen other categories get tagged and untagged in the meantime, which did show up in the parent category. Doesn't make sense... <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 02:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Toyota Prius page layout is messed up on Firefox ==

The layout of the Toyota Prius page is bad on Firefox 2.0.0.3 on Windows XP.
Looks okay on IE.  The left column with the menus is missing and
the menus are scattered over the left side of the text. [[User:Dougher|Dougher]] 20:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think I fixed it by closing the table used in the article. Is it fixed now? --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 22:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Error on selecting 'Save page' (Vista) ==

My new Vista-based PC is set up with multiple accounts &ndash; one for each of the family, plus one admin account.  On accounts where Parental Controls have been enabled, I am seeing a problem when trying to save an edited page.

When 'Save page' is pressed, the updated page is not displayed. Instead, I get an essentially blank page saying the following:

 Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage <BR><BR>
 Most likely causes:
 - You are not connected to the Internet. 
 - The website is encountering problems. 
 - There might be a typing error in the address. 

The URL in the address bar is unchanged (it still ends 'submit'), but clicking 'Refresh' clears the error page and reloads the article page in edit mode. ''(This confused me for a while, until I realised that my previous edits HAD been accepted, and I had re-opened the saved page for a further edit.)''

The problem is NOT caused by a page filter, as my account does not have any URL restrictions enabled. (My account has a time restriction set, to disable access at midnight in a desperate attempt to stop me editing WP late into the night :o( ).  Disabling all restrictions and restarting the account cleared the problem, but re-enabling the time limit restriction brought the error back again. I never see the problem in my admin account, but see it 100% in restricted accounts.

The problem applies to both WP and 'Commons'.

* So, any ideas?
* Is it purely a Vista problem?
* Were the WP tecchies aware of it?
* Is there anything I can do to avoid the problem, short of disabling the restrictions?

[[User:EdJogg|EdJogg]] 19:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:The problem hasn't been reported to the bug tracker yet, as far as I can see; you can file a bug report at [[mediazilla:]]. I can't think of any solutions to this (maybe someone else at VPT can?). I suspect it's a Vista problem, or it would probably have been noticed before now. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 11:59, 5 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

== Search result lisitings... ==

I notice that often when I search for something, several pages of results come back. However when I click on one of the page numbers or the "Next »" link, often it takes me to a generic "no results" page.  For instance try searching for "fromthe". Currently four pages are returned but only the first seems to display. What's going on here? Is this a Wikipedia problem or a Mediawiki problem? No problem? [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] 17:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:I think what's happening is you're searching in only one or a few namespaces, but it still gives the total number of results in all namespaces. Checking all the checkboxes beside the namespaces gives all 4 pages of results. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 18:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

::Thank you, Pomte. It appears you are correct that it is a namespace thing. The question now becomes is this behavior that is best? I think it is certainly confusing the way it is. [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] 21:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Edit tabs ==

How do you remove the [edit] links that show up on the right from within a page? [[User talk:Think outside the box|Think outside the box]] 09:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[Special:Preferences|my preferences]] -> Editing -> Enable section editing via [edit] links (first checkbox). –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 10:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::For a specific article add: <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> (see: [[Help:Magic words]]). --[[User:Van helsing|Van helsing]] 10:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User talk:Think outside the box|Think outside the box]] 10:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Tab Priority/Position ==

I understand why focus isn't given to the search box on the [[Main Page]] (yes, I read [[Wikipedia:Main_Page_FAQ#Why doesn't the cursor appear in the search box, like with Google?|the FAQ]])....but how about putting focus on the item (or some other "placeholder") just prior to the Search box.  Or perhaps giving the Search box a higher tab priority/index.  Currently, one must Tab through nearly every hyperlink on the page before the cursor finally gets around to the Search box.

By adjusting the tab priority of the search box and/or the initial tab position of the cursor, one could still use the arrow keys to function as expected, and would only require a single 'TAB' to move it to the search box. (Incidentally, if the focus were in the Search box, the same action would allow the arrow keys to work...just "Tab" out of it.)  It just doesn't make sense that the page requires a user to move his/her hand back to the mouse, click the search box, then move his/her hand back to the keyboard to perform a search.  This could all be simplified with proper tab priority/position when the page loads.  ++Arx Fortis 07:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:The [[accesskey]] attribute is set on that element, to "f" (see also [[WP:KB]]). You can also put something in your personal [{{fullurl:Special:Mypage/monobook.js|action=edit}} user js] to set focus right on it, like:
 addOnloadHook(function() {document.getElementById('searchInput').focus(); return false;});
:Or you could set the tabindex to 1 (note that diff pages, edit pages and other such pages already have an element with a tabindex="1" attribute, so you'd either have to except them or accept them):
 addOnloadHook(function() {document.getElementById('searchInput').tabIndex='1'; return false;;});
:--[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 07:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

::The Search access key in Firefox requires CTRL-ALT-F.  That's an awkward combo for a fairly routine task.  I doubt most users know they have a user.js....much less how to edit one.  I still haven't heard a good reason why the tab index can't be changed to make search #2. ++[[User:Arx Fortis|Arx Fortis]] 13:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

==Wikisource link==
The [[wikisource:Main Page|wikisource:]] prefix leads to the English [[Wikisource]]. However, is there an interwiki link prefix that leads to a page on the multilingual wikisource (eg, [http://wikisource.org/wiki/Tibi%2C_Redemptor_omnium this page])? [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 20:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[oldwikisource:Tibi, Redemptor omnium]].  [[meta:Interwiki map]] seems to be the canonical list. &mdash;[[User talk:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 21:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, I thought I saw that page somewhere! Now bookmarked. Thank ye. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 22:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Hit Counter? ==

Is there any way to add a hit counter to a Wikipedia user Page?

Thanx,

[[User:Kevinwong913|Kevinwong913]] 16:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?]] [[User:John Reaves|John Reaves]] [[User talk:John Reaves|(talk)]] 16:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanx.

[[User:Kevinwong913|Kevinwong913]] 01:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Job queue ==

The [[m:help:job queue|job queue]] is over 2 million.  Isn't that sort of high? -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 03:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:Not really, and it's likely the result of an edit in a high-use template (maybe a cite template?). [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 09:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

::(cringes) - Well, at least part of it could be as a result of cleaning up user categories. I've been going through the userboxes and removing parent cats (essentially duplicative cats) from the programming/OS userboxes. ''Many'' of them did not use includeonly/noinclude, and often a userbox would add the transcluder to several cats. For example, if you have bas-3 on your userpage, you would have been added to bas-3, bas, and Wikipedian programmers. I've been removing the latter two as parent cats. I also removed the OS category from the userbox per [[WP:UCFD]]. (It's ''still'' not depopulated, after a few days...) Even so, I don't think that those actions would equal even close to a 20 thousand, much less, 2 million? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Oh, and [[:Category:Teenage Wikipedians]] has been merged, and it's also a fairly good sized cat... Anyone else out there been fixing/altering templates? : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I edited some templates yesterday, including {{tl|birth date and age}}.  Any idea how long the queue would take to clear if there were no new additions at all?  There is a request to edit {{tl|fact}}, which would add quite a lot. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 13:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

::::I wouldn't worry about it, and go right ahead and perform the changes that are requested. The developers will step in if there are any problems, see [[Wikipedia:Don't worry about performance]]. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 15:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Right, it shouldn't hurt performance, but it might frustrate people who are changing categories on templates to wait a week before the job queue gets to the articles that use the template. There is a related [[m:Help_talk:Job_queue#A_record?|discussion at meta]] that seems to suggest 2 million is higher than normal. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 16:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
As I understand it, the reason for the job-queue remaining so full is that the server which would normally be servicing it is busy performing some rather massive updates to the database schema which are keeping it busy.
This should be finished within a few days when normal service will be resumed.
HTH HAND —[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 09:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks. I had the distinct impression that it wasn't going down.  Is there a noticeboard somewhere with information like this? [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 10:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

::There's the [https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Server_admin_log Server admin log], but the information there is very technical (it's directed at the other developers); there's also the channel topic for [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-tech #wikimedia-tech]. However, most of the time, the information comes from lurking on #wikimedia-tech. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 22:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Another Watchlist Problem. ==

I don't seem to be able to access my watchlist at all. Every time I go into it, it comes up with an error. Does anyone else have this problem? [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 18:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
: Yes, see same problem. Also see job queue at 1.4 million and increasing. [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 18:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Interesting; the job queue length has caused a lot of watchlist problems recently. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 18:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I was having problems with it along the lines of what has been said, but now it appears to be working again. Strange. --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 18:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Indeed, it's working again. It seems the watchlist problems last for up to half an hour at most (by my experience) to as short as a few minutes. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 18:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Again. 2nd day running? [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 22:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:And now that it has come up it is 20 minutes behind present amazingly. [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 22:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::Then not loading again. [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 23:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It has been working for me again, except now it is suddenly over 5 hours behind. What is wrong this time with it? Anyone else having this sudden problem? --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 04:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::: Yes, see [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#The_Watchlist_Again.]] [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 04:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Orange warning bar not showing up on IP talk page? ==

Has anybody else experienced this problem? A message posted to an IP talk page may not necessarily be received by the user. Some IPs experience it as the fact that the orange bar is '''stuck''' and won't clear out. Others have experienced it as the "new messages" notification '''does not show up''' no matter how many warnings are posted or if the cache is cleared. See [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_user_warnings#Do_Warnings_show_up_on_anonymous_IPs.3F|here]] & [[User_talk:Hdt83#Warning_notification_for_anon_ip|here]] for more details. -- [[User:Hdt83|<sub><span style="color:#336611;"><b>Hdt83</b></span></sub>]]  [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 01:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:I had the orange bar stuck problem while I was temporarily an anon way back in Jan or Feb. It took perhaps 20 mins or so (can't really remember to be honest but it was a fair while) for it to disappear after I had visited the message. Purging etc didn't help nor was it cache related. There was at least one other report at the time [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 10:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
::My problem is that they do not show up for me under a IP address. -- [[User:Hdt83|<sub><span style="color:#336611;"><b>Hdt83</b></span></sub>]]  [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]]
:::This is [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 Bug 9213]. [[User:Prodego|<span style="color:darkgreen;">''Prodego''</span>]] [[User talk:Prodego|<sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk</sup>]] 02:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:Has anybody else experienced this problem? I think that this is a major problem that is affecting ''many'' IP addresses. Please reply if somebody else has a similar problem with the "New Messages" bar. -- [[User:Hdt83|<sub><span style="color:#336611;"><b>Hdt83</b></span></sub>]]  [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 03:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::It affects '''all''' IP addresses, and has been doing so since January--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 00:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Unknown exception in diff. ==

I was cleaning up vandalism and came across [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghostface_Killah&diff=prev&oldid=120004683 this]. Up at the top left, it says "Unknown exception in diff". So, what's up? <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 00:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:I've noticed when you make an edit to a page but don't change anything, the revision doesn't appear to append itself to the history.  In this case, both revisions are the same (no changes) but somehow got put into the history - my guess.  <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">[[User:x42bn6|<span style="font-weight: bold;">x42bn6</span>]] [[User_talk:x42bn6|Talk]]</span> 00:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

::But they're not the same. If you look at the ranged diffs around that edit, it looks like <nowiki>[[Wu-Tang Clan affiliates#Theodore Unit|Theodore Unit]]</nowiki> on line 25 was changed to <nowiki>[[Theodore Unit]]</nowiki>. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 02:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Hm, interesting; then I have no clue.  <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">[[User:x42bn6|<span style="font-weight: bold;">x42bn6</span>]] [[User_talk:x42bn6|Talk]]</span> 18:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

==Problems uploading .svg images==
I have created some images using inkscape and I save them as both plain .svg and inkscape.svg but neither uploads.  I get no error message, but when I go to look at the image, I get the red X.  Any advice? And if this is not the right place to get help for this, please suggest another forum.  Thanks in afdvance. [[User:Argos'Dad|Argos&#39;Dad]] 18:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:I took a look at [[:Image:SimaVasileionEllados.svg]] and it appears to embed a PNG file located at C:\Documents and Settings\Steve &amp; Brian\My Documents\Steve's Pictures\Wikimedia\SimaVasileion4.PNG.  Since we don't have access to your hard drive, it doesn't work that well. ;)  As for how to fix that, I wouldn't begin to know how to tell you except to just upload the PNG directly. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 01:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:You need to use Inkscape's "Trace Bitmap" function if you want the PNG to actually be converted to SVG. It looks like all you did was import the image which left the reference to the file on your local disk. Another option is to use "Effects -> Images -> Embed All Images", but then your SVG is not really a scalable vector graphic, since it contains an embedded [[raster image]]. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 03:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== CURENTUSER template ? ==

Hello. I there such a template wich replace by the current user name? I tryed : <code><nowiki>{{CURENTUSER}},{{CURENTUSER}}, {{USER}}, {{USERPAGE}}</nowiki></code>, {{Special:Mypage}}, {{Special:Mytalk}}... but and searched in help files but i didn't find a suitable one.<br>
It is for use in an input box such as :
<pre><nowiki><inputbox>
type=create
preload={{PAGENAME}}/Bookmark
break=no
prefix=User:{{CURENTUSER}}/Bookmarks/
buttonlabel=New bookmark
</inputbox></nowiki></pre>
It is for a wikia project.<br>
Thanks by advance if you can help.--[[User:Ttibaut|Ttibaut]] 22:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:No, there's no such magicword.[http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/MagicWord.php?view=markup] At a guess, it's because it wouldn't be able to be meaningfully cached by the [[Squid cache|Squids]]. &mdash;[[User talk:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 00:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::Ok thanks. I will try to find another way to do it. If someone has an idea it would be welcomed ^-^--[[User:Ttibaut|Ttibaut]] 00:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:I think that using <code>Special:Mypage/Bookmarks/</code> could work, but you'd have to be on a site that is using a version of [[m:Help:Inputbox|Inputbox]] that actually supports <code>prefix</code> to test that. The version installed on Wikipedia doesn't support it as far as I can tell; I'm not sure about Wikia. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 00:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::Wikia support prefix. Thanks, i'll give you the result of the test in a few minutes^-^--[[User:Ttibaut|Ttibaut]] 00:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It works!!! Thank you very much Mike!!!--[[User:Ttibaut|Ttibaut]] 00:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== American/British web page parser? ==

Sorry if this is question has previously been asked, but is there a tool I can use that will look at a wikipedia article and search for words that are distinctive between the American and British versions of the English language? I.e. cookie in American, biscuit in British; potato chip in American, crisp in British; center in American, centre in British; and so forth. I need to be able to search a long page and look for potential intermixing of the two. Thank you! &mdash; [[User:RJHall|RJH]] ([[User_talk:RJHall|''talk'']]) 20:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Funny Formatting In The Article About  Amber ==

[[Amber]]

The formatting in this article gets strange about 1/2 way down starting at "Amber Inclusions". Everything is italicized from that section down. I looked in the source in a number of different places but I didn't see any stray "italic" syntax. Can someone take a look at this and see what is going on? [[User:67.177.149.119|67.177.149.119]] 20:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*See [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Tidy upgraded]]--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 20:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:*I've gone ahead and fixed the {{article|amber}} article, the problem was someone forgot to close a <nowiki></cite></nowiki> tag--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 20:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Template not quite working? ==

Here is a partial copy of post at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America]]:
{{cquote|I was pecking away at the [[:Category:Unassessed Indigenous peoples of North America articles]] and noticed something.  It seems about a quarter of the articles are listed alphabetically by their names and about three-quarters of the articles are listed under "T" as '''Talk:XXXX''', though all are shown as the Talk pages.  I looked at the differences between the two and both types look identical with the '''<nowiki>{{NorthAmNative}}</nowiki>''' template in their Talk pages.  Can anyone figure out why so many are being listed under "Talk"?  Thanks. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 05:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
: I think I know part of what is going on here.  When we have the '''<nowiki>{{NorthAmNative}}</nowiki>''' template alone in the '''Talk:''' page, it files the article under "T" for "Talk" but if there are multiple templates on the '''Talk:''' page, then it files the article under the article's name.  This seems like an issue not of IPNA but with the Wikipedia system in general.  I will take this question to the [[Wikipedia:Village pump]] or the [[Wikipedia:Help]] and ask there how to resolve this issue. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 18:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)|17px|17px}}
Can anyone here tell me how to resolve this issue I stumbled across?  Help appreciated. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 18:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:You don't have to do anything; just wait for the [[Help:job queue|job queue]] to catch up. The template was changed very recently, and it was not using <code><nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki></code> before; what you are seeing is still the old categorization. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 20:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== HTML Tidy? ==

Nevermind, post moved to [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Tidy upgraded]]--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Technical problems when trying to revert vandalism ==

I have several times tried to revert vandalism on the article [[Rockville Centre, New York]], and my edit is keep being blocked when I click save as it says I am spamming the page. As the vandalism removed half the page content and reverting it meant restoring the external links, and it is classing these legitimate external links as spam. Why is it doing this, and how can it detect which links are inapropriate and which are not? [[User:Retiono Virginian|Retiono Virginian]] 15:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:That's probably the [[m:Spam blacklist|Spam blacklist]]; take a look at the list to find which of the external links is causing the block, and do not restore it when reverting the page. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 20:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== My user page ==

Seems to have started displaying oddly today. Text in sections has become invisible, in Firefox and IE. Any ideas? --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 09:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
: Past versions appear the same way. You don't have closing <nowiki></font></nowiki> tags after your headings e.g. ''Apologia''. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 10:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::It's always worked fine until today, so I thought that maybe something has changed at the server end. I lack the skill to edit it; any help you can give me in that would be welcome. --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 10:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I've tried fixing the code. No warranty applies (grin). [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 10:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Thank you so much for your work. I wonder (as the coding hadn't changed in ages) what made the site less error-tolerant overnight? Oh well, I don't understand such things; I am glad I brought it here. --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 10:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Are you using a different or upgraded browser than before? I've encountered a similar problem today: The entire bottom section [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_1&oldid=120687627 here] was crossed out for 5 whole days without anyone seeming to notice. It was also an improper tag (<nowiki><s/> instead of </s></nowiki>) so I'm assuming that only some browsers manage to show these errors. Unless the site was autocorrecting and autoclosing tags for some reason, and just stopped. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 11:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::Both browsers I tried it with (Firefox 2.0.0.3 and Internet Explorer 7) displayed it correctly before. I wondered if something of the sort had happened. --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 11:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::See [[#Tidy upgraded|below]] for what happened. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 20:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:A couple of notes:
:*Tags should be closed in the opposite order they are placed (an example pulled from your page: it should be <nowiki><div style="whatever"><font tags="are evil">'''''Apologia'''''</font></div></nowiki> (close the font tag first, then the div).
:*Font tags, as I oh-so-subtly mentioned in the last example, shouldn't be used; the <nowiki><span></nowiki> (with a proper in-line CSS declaration) can apply the same effects without the odd inconstancies that they can introduce.
:*For that matter, the font tags aren't doing anything in those examples; you can easily put a "font-family" and "color" declaration into the div tag.
:That's all I spotted; I just took a very brief look at the page, though. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 13:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Previewing ==

Coming here from a suggestion in my post at the Help Desk ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Previewing here])... I don't know if this is happening to anyone else, but lately for me the show preview button hasn't been working. After clicking the button, it refreshes back to the edit window without the preview above it, and only previewing the edit summary. I don't use the button much, but I was working with templates and inserting images the other day and it would have been handy. I disabled [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups|Tools/Navigation popups]] for a while (preview still didn't work) but logged out it worked fine. Any thoughts/suggestions/comments? I'm not too fussed about it not working, but it should, so... '''[[User:CattleGirl|<span style="color:blue;">Cat</span><span style="color:darkblue;">tleG</span><span style="color:black;">irl</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk: CattleGirl| talk]] | [[User:CattleGirl/Autograph Book|sign!]]''</sup> 02:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It seems to be working fine for me. Do you have a browser problem or something? [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 02:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::No problems that I know of, everything else is working fine besides that button. '''[[User:CattleGirl|<span style="color:blue;">Cat</span><span style="color:darkblue;">tleG</span><span style="color:black;">irl</span>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk: CattleGirl| talk]] | [[User:CattleGirl/Autograph Book|sign!]]''</sup> 02:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Here are some tests you may be able to try, which would help isolate the cause of the problem:
:::* Try another [[Web browser]] on your computer. 
:::* Try logging into your Wikipedia account from someone else's computer.
:::* Make another (dummy) account and log into it from your computer.
:::Trying those tests could shed some light on whether the problem is in your account settings, or your browser or computer, etc. For example, if the problem always occurs in your account regardless of what computer or browser you are using, but it does not occur in the dummy account from your computer, then the problem is almost certainly in your account settings. Also, when you link to a post on the Help desk, your link will break when the Help desk page gets archived, unless you use a [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=120897495#Previewing permanent link like this]. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 04:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== GNU/Linux Naming Controversy FAR ==

Can somebody figure out how to list [[GNU/Linux naming controversy]] for FAR and move my justification from the talk page?  I have no idea what I'm doing.  [[User:Qwertydvorak|Qwertydvorak]] 22:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:See [[WP:FAR]]. If you have any questions, let me know below. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 22:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Yes, I tried to follow those guidelines, adding the FAR tag apparently doesn't work because of the slash in the page name.  [[User:Qwertydvorak|Qwertydvorak]] 20:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::: Never mind, I did not know I had to create the page.  [[User:Qwertydvorak|Qwertydvorak]] 20:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Really confusing ==

[[Wikipedia:Help desk#Really confusing|This really odd problem]] seems not to be isolated. Can anyone here comment? [[User:AndyJones|AndyJones]] 15:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== ping delay problem ==

Hi there,

I have a small problem in terms of networking.

I had a test setup consisting of two Cisco Routers and when I Ping from one Router to Another the delay time is being inconsitent. 

This setup  was setup in our office and when I try to ping from one Router the Average ping delay should be around 650mSec but it is surpassing the limit and even sometimes exceeding 700mSec , which is not acceptable by our Inspection Agency, all they want to clear the system is a very good reason for the cause of inconsistent ping delay as it is exceeding the Specification.

I would like someone to assist me in this regard at the earliest, for the product to get cleared.

Thank you
D.ravikanth
*The technical section of the village pump is used to discuss technical issues about Wikipedia. Maybe the reference desk can help. Good luck, [[User:Notinasnaid|Notinasnaid]] 07:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Index.php query string ==

Where can I find the sintax of the query string for <code>index.php</code>?
(For example, when I clicked for writing this post the URL was <code><nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php</nowiki>'''<nowiki>?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29&action=edit&section=new</nowiki>'''</code>.)
 
I would like to develop a web form for adding <nowiki>{{subst:uw-delete1}}</nowiki> and similar templates on User Talk pages, and for performing other task which require editing multiple pages. Some time ago I noticed somewhere that there was a <code>body</code> (or similar) parameter which allow filling the edition text area with a predefined value, but I would like to know the whole spectrum of possibilites. [[User:Rjgodoy|Rjgodoy]] 04:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:Try having a look at [[:mw:Manual:Parameters to index.php|Manual:Parameters to index.php]].[[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 07:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::Oops, didn't notice you snuck in an edit there Titoxd. My fault for taking half an hour to type this ^_^. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]])

:The "''whole spectrum''" is pretty big, as each action and each Special page (as well as each extension Special page) can have its own unique parameters. Here is the best non-source-code (but incomplete) list you'll probably find: [[mw:Manual:Parameters_to_index.php]]. However, these aren't specific to 'index.php' as that is basically the long form of the same URI (/wiki/ is just an available alias set by .htaccess or something). For example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka?action=edit en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka?action=edit]. 
:You can often have good luck finding usable URI parameter names by viewing the html. For example, on a delete page:  &lt;input type='text' size='60' name='wpReason' id='wpReason' value="" tabindex="1" /&gt;
:The name in this case indicates the parameter, so for example you can use <code>&wpReason=some+reason</code> to preload a reason. However, sometimes you need to view the php source. The edit page ([http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php?view=co source]) only seems to take 4 URI parameters:
 # Get variables from query string :P
 $section = $wgRequest->getVal( 'section' );
 $preload = $wgRequest->getVal( 'preload' );
 $undoafter = $wgRequest->getVal( 'undoafter' );
 $undo = $wgRequest->getVal( 'undo' );
:The rest are all POST, as far as I can tell. But, what you ''can'' do, is use &preload=Some_Template&section=new (because preload only works with new pages or new sections, and needs a template for 'preload').
:What I've done before to circumvent this, is a bit of javascript (for example, see [[Wikia:User:Splarka/newwiki.js]]). You could write up a little script that would, with a properly formatted URI like say: <code>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Splarka?action=edit&appendtext=%3D%3DSome+header%3D%3D%0A%0A%7B%7Bsubst%3Auw-delete1%7D%7D%0A&autosave=true</code>
:(I often use scripts like this to batch delete, batch move, batch block, and even batch upload files, with nothing more than Firefox)... one problem though, is it requires a user to edit their user js, unlike the preload above. 
:Anyway, HTH. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 08:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:List_of_protected_pages]] ==

This page has been broken since early yesterday - refuses to display. What's up? - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 17:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It always takes ages to load whenever I try and load it... presumably because there are so many protected pages and the content of the page is huge? Perhaps your browser just timed out? --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(ya rly)</small>]] 17:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::Actually it seems a bit broken. There's an entire section filled with stuff about the article [[lt]], which seems to be an error relating to [[:Template:lt]], and there's also a lot of stuff about the article [[Article]]. It seems a bit bugged out. Maybe we should contact the bot owner. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(ya rly)</small>]] 18:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::That is not a new problem, and it's not a bot problem; it's the [[Wikipedia:template limits|template limits]] getting hit. Just check the HTML source for the page; the parser outputs plenty of warnings hidden inside HTML comments. As to the slow loading, it's no surprise, given that the generated HTML for that page is over two ''[[mebibyte|megabyte]]s'' long, and that's ''without'' expanding a lot of the templates. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 20:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::::I don't even get any HTML source - browser spins for two minutes and then a Wikimedia Foundation error page comes up. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 22:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing that this page predates the category system? Perhaps it should be moved to categories. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== The Watchlist Again. ==

I assume everyone's watchlists are playing up again? I believe this is the third day in row we've had this? [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 23:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

:Nah, I hasn't been 3 days. This is the first day my watchlist is having problems. I can navigate around WP just fine...--'''''[[User:Ed|<span style="color:blue; font-family:'comic sans ms';">Ed</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Ed|<font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">¿Cómo estás?</font>]]</sup> 23:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::Same here. Any idea as to what's going on? [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]] 23:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I can navigate Wikipedia perfectly, but this is the third time this has happened within 72 hours. If you read some of the above posts you'll see this is a continually occuring problem at the moment. Some users think it's the job queue length. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 23:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::OK, thanks. [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]] 23:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I was just about to report this (: <small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 23:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I'm glad it's not just one user who's affected; by the fact all users are probably affected means that there is a problem somewhere that needs fixing. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 23:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:They seem to be working again now. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 23:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::I was just about to say that. Thanks. :) [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 23:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Is there a place where there's up to date statuses about Wikipedia? There should be a place to report this stuff and to actually ''know'' what's going on. --'''''[[User:Ed|<span style="color:blue; font-family:'comic sans ms';">Ed</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Ed|<font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">¿Cómo estás?</font>]]</sup> 23:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:Besides this page, where answers may be slow, the best I can think of is the #wikimedia-tech [[WP:IRC|IRC]] channel. Thats where the developers and other tech people tend to hang out. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 02:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Right now, the watchlist is "working" but is only reporting edits that are about four hours old. [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 04:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It's essentially useless with 4 hour edits. [[User:PullToOpen|PTO]] 04:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
It seems to be catching up now... slowly... --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 05:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

This lag is incredibly annoying - can't see the additions to [[WP:AIV]] on my watchlist meaning I have to actually check it! [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 05:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:Seems to be about 8 hours behind now. But this is the first time I've experienced it. <strong>[[User:Tvoz|Tvoz]] </strong>|<small>[[User talk:Tvoz|talk]]</small> 05:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::8 hours? Mine is about 2:40! [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 05:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::When my watchlist first fell behind, it was by about 5 hours. Now it has caught up to being about 2 and a half hours behind. Why have there been so many problems with watchlists lately? --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 05:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::::No idea, but its happening again - 15 minutes behind atm. [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 23:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::It is; and the contributions are updating slowly again as well. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 23:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Wow, this time I didn't even notice until Viridae's edit finally showed up on my watchlist (I have this page on my watchlist). Lag: it's a terrible thing. --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 23:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::The lag is making vandalism fighting very tough. I also noticed that there is a problem with the font size in some pages. It was happening in my talk page and in other articles, like [[Click (film)]] (scroll down). —[[User:Anas Salloum|'''<span style="color:black;">''A''n</span><span style="color:#808080;">as</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Anas Salloum|<span style="font-size:x-small;">talk'''?'''</span>]]</sup> 11:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I fixed the font problem in [[Click (film)]], which was caused by a missing close html tag for small. Since HTMLTidy has been upgraded on the Wikipedia servers (see message by Tim Starling below) tags don't get closed automatically anymore. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 11:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Uha, thanks for notifying me of that. —[[User:Anas Salloum|'''<span style="color:black;">''A''n</span><span style="color:#808080;">as</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Anas Salloum|<span style="font-size:x-small;">talk'''?'''</span>]]</sup> 17:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:Link GA]] not working ==

It seems that {{tl|Link GA}} fails to work properly. For example, after I added <nowiki>{{Link GA|zh}}</nowiki> to [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Flag_of_Hong_Kong&diff=prev&oldid=120448361 Flag of Hong Kong], the GA icon doesn't show up in the part of the interwiki links. However,  {{tl|Link FA}} is fine at the moment. -- [[User:Kevinhksouth|Kevinhksouth]] 10:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

:Did it ever work? The reason that {{tl|Link FA}} works is because of supporting JavaScript in the <code>linkFA</code> function in [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] and a CSS definition for <code>li.FA</code> in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]]. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 05:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It looks like there is a bullet image for this purpose already at [[:Image:Monobook-bullet-plus.png]]. I've also created [[:Image:Monobook-bullet-ga.png]], which is a downsized version of [[:Image:Symbol support vote.svg]]. The resulting lists would look something like this:

;[[:Image:Monobook-bullet-plus.png]]
<div style="background-color: white; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 0.25em; margin-bottom: 1.2em">
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet.png]]</span> [[:de:Deutsch|Deutsch]]</div>
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet-star.png]]</span> [[:fr:Français|Français]]</div>
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet-plus.png]]</span> [[:it:Italiano|Italiano]]</div>
</div>

;[[:Image:Monobook-bullet-ga.png]]
<div style="background-color: white; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 0.25em">
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet.png]]</span> [[:de:Deutsch|Deutsch]]</div>
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet-star.png]]</span> [[:fr:Français|Français]]</div>
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet-ga.png]]</span> [[:it:Italiano|Italiano]]</div>
</div>

I had to fake this since the HTML filter for Wikipedia strips out the "style" element on <code><nowiki><li></nowiki></code> tags. If there is support for this change, [[User:Ruud Koot]] would be the one to ask about getting it done since he maintains the {{tl|Link FA}} support. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 05:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

: I believe this has already been rejected in the past (at least we chose not to mark our own GAs with an icon at the top, why would we then try to draw attention to GAs in other languages?) —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 09:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

::But the fact is that this template is used in several language versions already. If English Wikipedia decides not to use it, please delete this template, and also lock this title, so that noone else, who doesn't know such policy, would be able to create it again. -- [[User:Kevinhksouth|Kevinhksouth]] 06:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

==Strange corrupted Diff==
[[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Noah&diff=122776534&oldid=122775449]] This shows as a corrupted diff brining in text from several months ago.  What is causing this? [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 17:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

==Wikisource links backlog==
This has probably already been brought up, but there are several links to [[Wikisource]] that are broken. That's because pages in http://wikisource.org where deleted and  moved to http://en.wikisource.org, http://fr.wikisource.org, http://de.wikisource.org, or others. More obscure languages have stayed at the subdomain-less Wikisource. A general backlog of non-functional links is available [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.wikisource.org&limit=500 here]; if anyone wants to help, he/she may replace broken Wikisource links with [[WP:INTERWIKI|interwiki prefixes]], or the [[Template:Wikisource|Wikisource template]]. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 20:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[User:MaxSem/Wikisource|Here]] is filtered and alphabetically sorted list. I'll start from the bottom. [[User:MaxSem|Max<span style="font-size:large;">''S''</span>em]] 08:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::Heh, why didn't I think about doing that? I actually started with the goal of converting Wikisource external links to interwiki links, but found this problem, which is more immediate. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 17:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::In addition, some links may be valid, to more obscure languages. Those could be prefixed by "oldwikisource:", methinks. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 17:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Monobook.js ==

Does the monobook.js make my user account broken? I want to know. [[User:Jet123|<span style="background:orange; font-family:Curlz MT; font-size:14pt; color:blue">Jet123</span>]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Jet123|<span style="color:black;"> ~~My talk page~~</span>]]</sup> 23:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:Your monobook.js seems not to exist, and so it can't be broken. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 23:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Administrators editing signatures ==

I always thought it'd be good if (somehow) administrators could edit people's signatures, so we could deal with blatant violators of [[WP:SIG]]. Perhaps something like [[Special:Changesignature/Deskana]]? Just a thought. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(ya rly)</small>]] 01:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:Tony Sidaway had had a [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 3|RFC]] because he edited signatures everywhere. Apparently, some agreed that in certain situations was fine, but many others rejected the idea. But, in trhuth, I don't think this is really necessary. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 02:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:That's what user talk pages are for. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 17:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::Something needs to be done, to stop people producing signatures that are eiether unreadable, comprised of deprecated HTML, or both. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 17:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I agree, but that "something" should start with talking to the problem editor. You don't need to be an administrator to leave a note on someone's talk page (well, if it's protected you do, but you get my point). [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 18:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, I would propose we amend [[WP:SIG]] to deal with the specifics of exactly when administrators should edit people's signatures, for example, only if the user was asked politely first. I wouldn't suggest we add this feature and not impliment no set of rules dictating when it can be used. I don't think it'd be abused. If we implimented guidelines on when to use it, would you agree with the software addition? --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(ya rly)</small>]] 19:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I'd agree with it, personally, but there would have to be strict policy about its use, and possibly a log. You're just changing a variable in a database somewhere, as far as I'm aware. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 20:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Good idea; guidelines should be set down. Asking a user to change their signature before changing it without their knowledge is better than just changing someone's signature without them being given a chance to change it.  [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 20:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I think that's getting a bit [[WP:CREEP|creepy]]. Is there a specific instance where a user has been told by another editor (on their talk page) that their signature was disruptive and they ignored it, to the detriment of the community? You're talking about a largely cosmetic issue; personally, I dislike sigs that have super- and sub-scripts in them, as they distort the line spacing; is that a blockable offense? What about my own signature; is the &#9775; offensive to someone? Is someone using a &lt;font&gt; tag instead of a &lt;span&gt; tag going to bring about the end of the encyclopedia; is using full color notation (ie: #336666) as opposed to simplified color declarations (ie: #366) causing people to leave the project? Should someone be banned indefinitely from the site for using the &lt;blink&gt; tag?<br />Well, the answer to that last question is "yes", but my point still stands: we've got a solution and we're looking for a problem. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 21:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::It's a ''problem'' I've been addressing, albeit on a small scale, for a couple of years. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 21:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::A few days ago I asked {{user|TomasBat}} to change his excessively long signature. He asked me if he *had* to, and I reluctantly said no. Apparently he didn't get the hint that he ''should'', so there should be a way for us admins to give him the hint. Threats of blocking make no sense, so [[special:changesignature]] is a great idea. It would've prevented the whole -Ril- mess, too. [[User talk:Picaroon9288|Picaroon]] 21:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, my thoughts exactly. We'd, of course, also need something that prevents people from changing their signature back too though, since otherwise our changes could be undone, if the user just refuses to accept it. Maybe just [[Special:Resetsignature/Deskana]], then, which resets the signature to it's default when the account was created? --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(ya rly)</small>]] 21:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::It probably won't be that useful to prevent someone from changing back their signature, since they could just paste in their (unacceptable) signature manually for each comment they make, if they really want to. [[User:Tra|Tra]] [[User:Tra/MyComments|(Talk)]] 21:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::True, and putting in a guideline that says that users shouldn't paste it back in could create instruction-creep; an issue we want to avoid. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 22:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:If done, I'd absolutely want some log of who changed what, and when, along with some strict guidelines about when sigs can or can't be edited. By the end of the day, it may be easier to implement some technical restrictions (on images, or perhaps length, for example). If the goal is to avoid useless cluttered code when editing talk pages, then a character limit length would seem to address a large portion of the problem, no? &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<span style="color:#1E90FF;">'''Luna Santin'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 22:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::Restrictions would not really work, anyone can just paste a long signature if necessary (after all, I type the four tildes myself everytime I sign). Maybe we should start a [[WP:AIV/SIG]] to report extremely long signatures ;-) -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 22:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Another problem with restricting long signatures is that if that kind of change was made to the software, the existing long signatures would need to be automatically removed through an SQL query which could use up a lot of memory, and additionally, what would they be changed to? If they were just truncated, that could make the html invalid, whilst simply resetting them to the default value could upset a lot of users. As for the 'signature change log', it would only really make sense if users' changes to their own signature are logged as well. [[User:Tra|Tra]] [[User:Tra/MyComments|(Talk)]] 22:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Such a tool would very likely be problematic especially if adminstrators sharing the POV of someone like [[User:Tony Sidaway]] were to have access to it. Sidaway changes ''all signatures'' indiscriminately and given the number of times he is called to task about that on his talk page, ''doing that is disruptive''. Who's going to be making the judgement call? I don't appreciate my signature being altered and I especially wouldn't appreciate the altering of signatures enmasse by some power tripping adminstrator with a tool like this. There is a long tradition on the project for upstanding and highly contributory users to utilize distinctive signatures to better identify themselves and the commentary they make, this thinking goes counter to that tradition and is likely to alienate these valuable folks. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 00:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I would just observe anyone alienated by changes to their signature wouldn't seem to have all that deep of a commitment to the project.  Also, a limit on the length of signatures can easily be enforced by simply not allowing anyone to change their signature to one longer than the prescribed limit.  No need to change all the existing long signatures, eventually they will be weeded out. —[[User talk:Doug Bell|Doug&nbsp;Bell]] 01:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Is [[User:Netscott#My_Wikipedia_Contributions|this]] not a deep enough commiment to the project Doug Bell? I agree that there are signatures that are too long and or too garish (literally I've seen signatures that due to their high contrast nature have <span style="background: green; color: red;">interrupted</span> a given talk discussion) but as others have said here, the best way to address this is through discussion with the concerned user. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 01:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I wasn't directing the comment at you, but rather at anyone that would become alienated (i.e. significantly disturbed as to impact their participation in the project) by a change to their signature.  I'm not assuming that characterization applies to you. —[[User talk:Doug Bell|Doug&nbsp;Bell]] 06:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: It does come off as incredibly disrespectful. Remember we're volunteers here - if we feel a lack of respect, or believe our contributions are not welcome, we can quit at any time. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 03:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC) 
::::::Not possible. I can set my signature to <nowiki>{{subst:User:ReyBrujo/sg}}</nowiki>, and have all the HTML code I want at that subpage. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 01:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I've got two thaughts on this. 1) this is to much [[WP:CREEP|creep]].  If someone's signature is disruptive, blocking is available.  2)Enabling the other extreme (e.g. [[Special:Prefences/Targetuser]]) would allow for this, as well as assiting users with other preerences related challanges.  This would need to be resticted to sysops and the email settings should probally be left alone.   — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] [[User_talk:Xaosflux|<sup style="color:#00FF00;">Talk</sup>]] 04:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Questions:
# How would this be an improvement to the encyclopedia?
# How is this not just another attempt at an administrative power grab over editors?
# With administrators now busying themselves making sure everyone's sig is perfect, how will they have time to create and edit articles?
# Does Deskana understand the ill-will this will engender in those editors who have their well crafted sigs edited, or is he simply that callous that he doesn't care?
<span style="font-family:Papyrus; letter-spacing:-1.2px;font-weight:normal; background:#F0F8FF;white-space:nowrap;cursor:help;">&#8212;[[User:Malber|M]] ([[User talk:Malber|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Malber|contribs]]) 20:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)</span>

:To address #3: a ''lot'' of administrators don't contribute to article creation, and focus more on the "nuts and bolts" of running Wikipedia. I don't see this as a bad thing (I, for one, have ''never'' created an article from scratch). At most, I think it would be administrators watching a noticeboard (maybe just using [[WP:AN]] so it wouldn't be a new board) and addressing issues as they come up; to suggest that policing sigs would somehow significantly impact an admin's workload is a bit silly, in my opinion. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 23:34, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

=== Suggested solutions ===

I'm sure that these have been suggested previously, but how about just:

*disallow images in signatures (this should be a no-brainer especially with the recent clarification from the board). Also consider that we ''still'' have people putting fair use images in userboxes, having to go and clean up such signatures, would be needless work that just shouldn't be necessary. One can be creative and unique without an image.

* disallow transclusion of pages in a signature (Honestly, I thought that that was already disallowed...)

* set a shorter length. Yes, a user "could" then paste the signature, and there is no reason to set an actual "rule" against it (I '''''really''''' don't want to find that we have editors sitting there counting characters in a signature...), however, just removing the "convenience" of the "extreme" lengths should be enough to cut down on thoughtlessly long signatures. I've seen quite a bit of discussion about how to concatenate/shorten lengths, and I think that this would just add an extra "suggestion", without having "instruction creep" of requirements.

Hope this helps. Interested in further discussion, obviously : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Link color Table ==

Is there anyway to set the color of links for an entire table?<small>[[User:Danielfolsom|<span style="color: #CCFF99; background: #003300">daniel</span>]][[User_talk:Danielfolsom|<span style="color:#FFCCCC; background:#660000">folsom</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Danielfolsom|<span style="color:#FFFFCC; background:#333300">&nbsp;©</span>]]</small> 18:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Watchlist customisations? ==

Or, more specifically, is there any way to display the date on which each item was added to my watchlist? I would find this useful as a memory aid. [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''Adrian'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''M. H.'''</span>]] 16:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think that information's recorded by the server, so there'd be no way to display it (and [[mw:Watchlist table]] confirms this). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 16:48, 8 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:Oh well, thanks anyway. I wondered if that might be the case. Back to the notepad and pen! [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''Adrian'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''M. H.'''</span>]] 16:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::You could add links to a user subpage. This way, your edit history will tell you when you added each link, and you can use Special:Recentchangeslinked as a pseudo-watchlist. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 17:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:::That's not a bad idea. Thanks. [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''Adrian'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''M. H.'''</span>]] 17:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Horizontal TOC ==

Is there such a thing as a horizontal toc? I've looked a lot of places now - and I can't seem to find one, but I figure if anyone knew you guys would. One problem is I can't do this like a css type of thing - any user that comes has to see it horizontally. I was hoping for something like this (with less space in between words):
{| width="100%" style="border: 2px solid #999999; background:#CCCCCC; text-align:center; font-size: x-small"
|-
|style="text-align:center" colspan="4"|'''Table of Contents'''
|-
|width="25%"|<span style="color:blue;"><u>Welcome to Wikipedia!</u></span>||width="25%"|<span style="color:blue;"><u>Great Job on your First edit!</u></span>||width="25%"|<span style="color:blue;"><u>Can I have your Opinion</u></span>||width="25%"|<span style="color:blue;"><u>Your first barnstar</u></span>
|-
|width="25%"|<span style="color:blue;"><u>You have been elected to an admin position</u></span>||width="25%"|<span style="color:blue;"><u>You have been elected to the Jimbo position</u></span>||width="25%"|<span style="color:blue;"><u>WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? WE'RE RUINED!</u></span>||width="25%"|<span style="color:blue;"><u>Thanks to you I won't ever let people edit MY wiki again - Jimbo</u></span>
|}
Thanks for any help! <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Danielfolsom|Danielfolsom]] ([[User talk:Danielfolsom|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Danielfolsom|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

: There are horizontal ones at [[Wikipedia:Template messages/Compact table of contents]], but these are for long alphanumeric and similar lists. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 16:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::What about this?
<pre><nowiki>
<div class="horizontal">
__TOC__
</div>
</nowiki></pre>
::It's a new feature that's being worked out at the moment. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 16:50, 8 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:::Wow - thanks for te quick response!<small>[[User:Danielfolsom|<span style="color: #CCFF99; background: #003300">daniel</span>]][[User_talk:Danielfolsom|<span style="color:#FFCCCC; background:#660000">folsom</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Danielfolsom|<span style="color:#FFFFCC; background:#333300">&nbsp;©</span>]]</small>
:::You're lucky in the timing; that wouldn't have worked a week ago. There are still some problems with Internet Explorer 6 that need to be worked out. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 17:05, 8 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

== SVG rendering with opaque background instead of transparent ==

Could a developer look at  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Computing#Image:School_ip.svg this conversation on the reference desk] and confirm whether it is a browser problem or wiki problem (and if it is the latter then hopefully fix it). Thanks in advance [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|Taste the Korn]] 12:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Something wrong ==

Something wrong with the colors in Wikipedia. In my userpage, some of the blue and black color texts was turned into white. And not even that. This part I took from [[User:Snowolfd4]]'s sign. Previously it was green and now its blue. <sup>( [[User_Talk:Snowolfd4|<span style="color:#339966;font-family:Constantia;"> '''talk'''</span>]])</sup> Original version can found on [[User_talk:Snowolfd4|here]].----[[User:Lahiru_k|<font color="blue">'''♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪'''</font>]] [[User talk:Lahiru_k|<span style="color:blue;"><sup>walkie-talkie</sup></span>]] 08:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== wikimedia diff function ==

I have several questions on diff program used for page historirs.

1) Is the diff program specifically developed for wikipedia?

2) Is it almost the same as the "dif" program under unix/linux?

3) If it is different, what are the major differences?

4) Is it obtainable from wikipedia or any other resource?

5) Is there any technical paper on how to reimplement it?

Thanks,

Ramazan.
:I don't know, but if someone doesn't come along with an answer, perhaps you could look at the source.  The database is available at [[Wikipedia:Database download]], but points to the frontend source at [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki]], which says it's at http://sourceforge.net/projects/wikipedia/.  I agree, it acts a lot like the Linux [[diff]] utility.  —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] 05:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::1) kind of, 2) no, 3) it makes HTML and does word-level diffs, 4)  [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/wikidiff2/ C++ version (used on Wikipedia)], [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DifferenceEngine.php?revision=20995&view=markup PHP version (used on other MediaWiki wikis)]. 5) Possibly, try an abstract search. It's based on a diff module from PhpWiki, which was based on a Perl module by Ned Konz (now obsolete), which was loosely based on GNU diffutils. Various features and optimisations were added along the way. See the comments in the source. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 07:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== New messages bar ==

My new messages bar has popped up at least 5 times in the last 20 minutes but I haven't been receiving new messages at all. What's wrong? [[User_talk:Evilclown93 | The Evil Clown]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Evilclown93|my contributions]]</small></sup> 16:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:It just happened to me too, while viewing a diff. [[User:Femto|Femto]] 18:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:: BTW, I forgot to mention that, it happens during diffs, and when I finish the revery, it still is there until you go to your talk. [[User_talk:Evilclown93 | The Evil Clown]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Evilclown93|my contributions]]</small></sup> 18:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, ''that'' function is happening as it is supposed to; the message appears until you view your talk page, no matter what. If it is still appearing ''after'' that, though, that would be a different problem.
:::Also, it might be that someone made a minor edit, but not a new post ''per se''; the system can't distinguish between the two, and so gives you a message no matter what. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 23:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:::: There was no edit made at all. Or esle I won't be complaining. [[User_talk:Evilclown93 | The Evil Clown]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Evilclown93|my contributions]]</small></sup> 00:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:In my case, there hasn't been an edit to my talk page in the last 20 hours before the phantom message bar popped up. Not even a deleted edit in the revision history ...unless a revision was removed by [[Wikipedia:Oversight]]. Would the new message flag remain in those cases? Anyone here with permissions to check the oversight log for [[User talk:Evilclown93]] and [[User talk:Femto]]? Sounds unlikely though. (And no, it wasn't one of those fake practical joke messages on people's user pages, just to be clear.) Perhaps there was a major glitch in the synchronization of the server times, something like that. [[User:Femto|Femto]] 12:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::I think that might be it; I know there have been a lot of strange time-delay glitches here lately, such as the contribs page being out of date and whatnot. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 16:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[It's On (Dr. Dre) 187um Killa]] ==

Do other people see this article as I do &mdash; with the line that's normally under the title actually going through it?  If so, does anyone have any idea why this is happening?  (If not, does anybody have any idea why ''I'm'' seeing it that way?) --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]]) 09:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

* I also see the line going through... may be because of the superscript? [[User:Rjgodoy|Rjgodoy]] 10:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

::I assume so, but I can't see how to get rid of it; nothing shows up on the Move screen. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]]) 23:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Looks fine to me. Try previewing the article after removing the {{tl|downsize}} line. This might be a reason to disallow tags like <nowiki><sup></nowiki> on the title line. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 01:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that worked.  I agree about superscript tags. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]]) 09:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Diff error ==

For some reason, the diffs on some edits I'm making in AWB aren't displaying right. For the article [[İskenderun]] I changed [[:Category:Port cities]] to [[:Category:Port cities in Turkey]]. The category was changed but the diff shows the category simply being removed [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=%C4%B0skenderun&diff=prev&oldid=121348941]. It did this for some other articles that I changed but not all (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ku%C5%9Fadas%C4%B1&diff=prev&oldid=121350134]). I have made similar edits with AWB (slightly different category) and never had this problem. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 04:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:According to the history for [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=%C4%B0skenderun&diff=prev&oldid=121348941 this one], the article already had both categories prior to your change (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=%C4%B0skenderun&oldid=120168618 this revision] just before yours). So instead of replacing the one category with a duplicate of the other one, the first one was apparently just removed. –&nbsp;[[User:M C Y 1008|<span style="color:#f33;">mcy1008</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:M C Y 1008|<span style="color:#393;">talk</span>]])</small> 05:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::That must be a quirk of AWB; because when there are two of the same category, it changes both of them. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 05:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Repeating my questions ==

I hope it is alright to do this. I asked some questions on this page that were never answered, and seeing as how they are in the archive now, I would like to repost them in hopes of getting some responses. Here they are, as copied and pasted from the archive:

:I need some help with my userpage. I got bored and started looking around when I came across [[User:Misza13|Misza13's]] Status Switcher script. I decided to use it, but after I put everything in I now have two problems. Problem one is that it says Example's Status on the template on my userpage. How do I get that to say LuigiManiac's Status? My second problem is that before I put in the template, my userboxes were on the far right side of the page. Now they moved to the left of the Status template. How do I get them back where they were? Thank you in advance. <small>From 24 March 2007</small>

:Okay, while I'm waiting for my five day old problem to be solved, I have a new one. It also has to do with scripts. I just started helping the fine folks at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links, and I tried out Barticus88's dpl.js (it's shown on WP:DPL's talk page). It actually is working just fine. What's the problem? Well, I also have the popups tool in my monobook.js, and it was working until I put in dpl.js. Now I can't get any popups to, well, pop up. After using it for awhile, I put dpl.js out, purged my cache, tested my popups, put it back in, purged my cache again, and tested popups again, and I can say with great certainty that the dpl.js is blocking the popups tool. I like both of them, so is there is some way to have both enabled at the same time? Thanks in advance. <small>From 30 March 2007</small>

I hope that these will finally be answered, as they still have not been resolved. --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 02:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:The first one is done. The second one is more complex. [[User:Prodego|<span style="color:darkgreen;">''Prodego''</span>]] [[User talk:Prodego|<sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk</sup>]] 03:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Suggesting additions ==

I want to propose a new feature that would involve a built-in moving/renaming tool for categories, similar to the one we have for pages. Where do I propose this and/or who do I contact about this? --[[User:Hemlock Martinis|Hemlock Martinis]] 23:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:Well, you can use [[WP:AWB|AWB]] {{mono|:)}} If you moved Category:A to Category:B, then all of the pages in Category:A would ''still'' say Category:A, and Category:B would be empty, even if the wikitext and revision history of Category:A was moved. Is the latter what you're looking for? [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 00:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::I guess that works. I was hoping for a built-in feature, but I doubt that'll happen. Thanks! --[[User:Hemlock Martinis|Hemlock Martinis]] 00:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Edit and editor count ==

First, is there a way to determine the number of edits an article has had, and second, the number of editors that have edited the article. I wanted that info for [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Association of Members' Advocates|this]] without having to count. Thanks. [[User:KnightLago|KnightLago]] 20:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah here's the article statics page.[http://vs.aka-online.de/wppagehiststat/] --[[User:Lahiru_k|<font color="blue">'''♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪'''</font>]] [[User talk:Lahiru_k|<span style="color:blue;"><sup>walkie-talkie</sup></span>]] 20:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:KnightLago|KnightLago]] 20:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== What happened?! ==

All of a sudden, my scripts quit working. Any idea what's up? &nbsp;<b>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Steptrip_2|<font family="Trebuchet MS" color="#D2691E" size="2">''~''</font>]]<font face="Vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Steptrip|<span style="color:#FF0000;">St</span><span style="color:#FFD700;">ep</span>]][[User talk:Steptrip|<span style="color:#7CFC00;">tr</span><span style="color:#00FFFF;">ip</span>]]</font></b> 00:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:Hi. I seem to have had a similar problem. When I added new options of popups to my monobook, they didn't change anything. When I bypassed my cache, it stopped working altogether. When I removed it, it worked just fine. I guess some scripts are problematic. I might need some help with this too. Thanks. &ndash; [[User:AstroHurricane001/ASTRO|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:Purple;">stroHur</span>]][[WP:WPTC|<span style="color:Gray;">ricane</span>]][[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Dinosaurs|<span style="color:green;">00</span>]][[Comet McNaught|<span style="color:Red;">1</span>]]<sup><font color="purple">([[User_talk:AstroHurricane001|Talk]]+[[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|Contribs]]+[[User:AstroHurricane001/Userboxes|Ubx]])</font>(<font color="blue"><small>+[[User:AstroHurricane001/Sigs|sign here]]+[[Wikipedia:Editor_review/AstroHurricane001|How's my editing?]]</small></font>)</sup> 00:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::I had this problem after a recent firefox upgrade, kicked up javascript option to off, try reseting that setting in your browser. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] [[User_talk:Xaosflux|<sup style="color:#00FF00;">Talk</sup>]] 00:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== kan't login ==

wen i try to get in mi account, i get the 404 message. so i kan't login

nd yes, i deliberately tiping like dis, so mi ip isnt associated wit my accoutn.

-[[User:75.26.3.100|75.26.3.100]] 16:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:Ummm? How will changing how you type do anything? If it is a 404 you should just try again, it is probably on our end. [[User:Prodego|<span style="color:darkgreen;">''Prodego''</span>]] [[User talk:Prodego|<sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk</sup>]] 17:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:I had some trouble logging in too, something about technical difficulties. The problem went away after I executed the <code>ipconfig /flushdns</code> command, which I assume assigned my computer a new server to work with. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] <sup>([[User talk:Remember the dot|talk]])</sup> 17:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Adding attributes to links ==

Can we add "class " and/ or "rel" attributes to internal and external links? This is needed for certain [[microformat]]s, as outlined at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Microformats#MediaWiki issues]]. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 08:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Something wrong with the codes I copied ==

I have copied <nowiki>{{User:Storkk/Quotes{{#expr:{{#time:i}} mod 4}}}}</nowiki> from [[User:Storkk]], where ''User:Storkk/Quotes'' led to [[User:Storkk/Quotes2]] or [[User:Storkk/Quotes3]]. Then I altered it to <nowiki>{{User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary{{#expr:{{#time:i}} mod 4}}}}</nowiki> on [[User:Aditya Kabir]], where ''User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary'' leads to [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary]]. I also have copied the switch to 30 quotes on [[User:Storkk/Quotes2]] and expanded it to 100 quotes on [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary]]. But, it is not working, and my limited knowledge can't figure it out. Can anyone take a look at the codes and figure out the problem? If you respond here, please, leave a note on my talk page. [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 08:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not an expert on Wiki parser functions, but I think your codes are correct. However, Wikipedia aggressively caches page content. If you try to edit one of the pages, and then replace "&action=edit" in the URL with "&action=purge", you'll see a new random quote. I don't know how you get around page caching other than by this manual method.-[[User talk:gadfium|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#808080;">gadfium</span>]] 09:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you very much. The manual method is not working either, it's showing as a red link. Every time I click on it it gets me to - http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Aditya_Kabir/Devil%27s_dictionary1&action=edit. When I replace "=edit" with "=purge" it's back the redlink again. No quotes anywhere. The code is working fine the page I copied it from. What to do? [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 10:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess, I have been able to figure it out. The trick is to have multiple pages with the same switching code. It gets me to [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary0]], [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary1]] and [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary2]]. It doesn't seem to use the original [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary]] page at all. [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 10:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Technically you're supposed to have [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary3]] too. The idea is to have different sets of quotes on each of these dictionary pages. But that's an inefficient way of doing it. If you want to keep all the quotes on one page, get rid of <nowiki>{{#expr:{{#time:i}} mod 4}}</nowiki>, so you can stick to [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary]] without bothering about the numbered pages. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 11:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Non-ASCII characters ==

I'm trying to clean up [[Han]].  It includes many non-ASCII characters, which display as question marks in Firefox (2.0.0.3, encoding Unicode UTF-8).  I've heard that, in some cases, non-ASCII characters can be "corrupted" and actually stored as question marks or other gibberish characters in the database.  How do I know whether or not that's the case here? --[[User:Smack|Smack]] ([[User talk:Smack|talk]]) 03:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:The easiest approach is to install and use a font that include Asian characters, see [[Help:Multilingual support]]. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 04:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:None of the character on that page appear as a question mark. In the past I've made such a corruption: copied article text into an editor, made changes, and when I pasted it back into the edit box, the characters appeared as question marks. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 09:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

==css pseudo-classes==
another css note: we will need [http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#lang css language pseudo-classes] for {{tl|lang}} to work properly (notably font selection for CJK "[[Han unification|de-unification]]").

This will mean introducing pseudo-classes into [[MediaWiki:Common.css|common.css]] along the lines of:
 :lang(grc) {
        font-family: Athena, Gentium, "Palatino Linotype", "Arial Unicode MS", "Lucida Sans Unicode", "Lucida Grande", Code2000;
        font-family /**/:inherit;
 }
this will allow us to just use {{tl|lang}} as usual (<nowiki>{{lang|grc|ἑλληνικὴ γλῶσσα}}</nowiki>) instead of {{tl|polytonic}}.

see a proposed list [[Template_talk:Lang#glyph_variants:_classes_or_templates.3F|here]]. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 13:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

==Merged watchlist?==
Hi all - I spend 99% of my Wiki time on en:Wiki, but also occasionally hop over to meta and to one other language wiki (Maori). Since I only go to meta and mi:wiki every week or two, I often miss new things which are on my watchlist there. Is there any way of adding pages from Meta and mi:wiki to my en:wiki watchlist? 
[[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 07:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:You'll have to wait for [[m:SUL|SUL]] to go live. [[User:MaxSem|Max<span style="font-size:large;">''S''</span>em]] 07:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::In the meantime, Meta can be configured to send you an email whenever a page on your watchlist changes. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 14:51, 16 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
Mm. Useful. Thanks, both of you! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]''

==Regaining an old user account==
Could a developer please take a quick look at [[User talk:Jimbo Wales#Regaining Identity! User:Jeffrey Newman]] and say whether my suggestion there is acceptable?. Thanks.-[[User talk:gadfium|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#808080;">gadfium</span>]] 05:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Scroll Box for references ==
not sure where to put this suggestion, but on the bigger pages, a scroll box would look better for the references, then one whole screen full of references. [[User:Oldag07|Oldag07]] 22:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:If you think that it would be appropriate in an article, you can use the following code:
<div style="height:100px; overflow-y:scroll; border:thin grey solid; padding:5px;">
This is a scroll box with a height of 100. It may not work everywhere.

Filler text

Filler text

Filler text

Filler text

Filler text

Filler text

Filler text
</div>
This is an adaption from [[Beethoven]] that will work for all screen widths. You can alter the height; currently, it's 100px. Implementing this on every article with a large reference section may annoy some people, but please others. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 00:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

: The scroll box also appears in the Printable version, which probably causes only what is visible in the box to be printed rather than all the information to be printed.  I did not test what happens when trying to jump to an anchor within the box.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC))

==collapsing two css classes==
having combined {{tl|IAST}}, {{tl|semxlit}}, {{tl|ArabDIN}} and others into a new {{tl|transl}}, I suggest that the "IAST" css class in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] be removed, and the "latinx" class used generically for all romanizations of non-Latin scripts.

latinx at present suggests:
: Code2000, "TITUS Cyberbit Basic", "Microsoft Sans Serif"
while IAST suggests:
:"Arial Unicode MS", "GNU Unifont", "Lucida Sans Unicode"

note that this is a bit unfortunate, since it will be a matter of chance whether the result is in serif or sans-serif. Code2000 and TITUS are serif (TITUS has no cursive!). Microsoft Sans, Arial and Lucida Sans are sans-serif. The purpose of the class should be to render as much [[Latin Unicode]] as possible, but I think font suggestions should be ordered so as to prefer either serif or sans-serif. Maybe
: [[Code2000]], "[[Free UCS Outline Fonts|Free Serif]]", "[[GNU Unifont]]", "[[TITUS Cyberbit Basic]]" 

Since most systems now come with reasonable Unicode support out-of-the-box, these classes will be largely redundant soon, anyway.
[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 15:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Definition of newbie on Wikipedia ==
:''Please see [[Wikipedia:Help_desk#Definition_of_newbie_on_wikipedia]]''
Hi, I was wondering, in the context of [{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|contribs=newbie}}] what is meant by the word "newbie"? [[WP:NEWBIE]] and [[WP:NEWBIES]] don't define the term, and I initially thought that it may be the first edit of each user, but I've now seen people logged there after over fifty edits, and my 24hour theory fell through too — <font face="Verdana">'''[[User:Jrockley|Jack]]''' <small>· [[User talk:Jrockley|talk]] · 23:19, Saturday, 14 April 2007</small></font>
:Just speculation, but it may be users who have not reached the 4-day "autoconfirm" threshold (required to move pages and edit sprotected pages). [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 23:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::Nope, that's not it either. I've seen page creations by newbies show up there, and that's mostly why I use it, most of the fresh junk pages show up there. — <font face="Verdana">'''[[User:Jrockley|Jack]]''' <small>· [[User talk:Jrockley|talk]] · 00:09, Sunday, 15 April 2007</small></font>
:::Page creation isn't actually restricted to established users. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 00:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
::::What do you mean? AFAIK, page creation is restricted to only those who have held an account for four days — <font face="Verdana">'''[[User:Jrockley|Jack]]''' <small>· [[User talk:Jrockley|talk]] · 00:24, Sunday, 15 April 2007</small></font>
:::::Nope. Anyone can upload an image or create a non-talk page once they get an account. After four days (or more specifically, 345600 seconds), they can move pages and edit semi-protected ones. It can be reasonably inferred that software makes the differentiation between "newbie" and not based upon autoconfirmed-ness. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 04:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Tecnically, newbies are those who registered among last 1% of users. [[User:MaxSem|Max<span style="font-size:large;">''S''</span>em]] 05:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== question about user creation log ==

When I look at the user creation log for most users, it shows when the account was created. For instance, if I look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=Akhilleus&page=] it shows that my account was created on 28 November 2005. What does it mean when a user's log doesn't say when the account was created? Is there a way to find out when it was created? [[User:Akhilleus|--Akhilleus]] ([[User talk:Akhilleus|talk]]) 03:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Er, could you provide an example? If the creation log doesn't say when the account was created, it might mean that it wasn't (ie: you can find blank contrib, user, and user talk pages for accounts that don't exist). [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 03:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:It's also possible that the user account was created before the user creation log was enabled. The [[m:Newuserlog|Newuserlog]] extension doesn't seem to have been created until August 2005. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 03:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think either one of these apply. I'm looking specifically at [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Mnyakko], a user who has an edit history; it looks like he became active in summer 2006. [[User:Akhilleus|--Akhilleus]] ([[User talk:Akhilleus|talk]]) 03:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm, curious... if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that they created the account ''before'' the Newuserlog, but didn't actually use it for anything until ''after'' (or their first few contributions were deleted). [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 04:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I suppose that's possible, but this user's first edits were pretty newbie-looking. I should explain what's going on: Mnyakko and another user, [[User:Zeeboid|Zeeboid]] were recently blocked for violations of [[WP:SOCK]]. I'm trying to figure out if another named user created the Mnyakko account. [[User:Akhilleus|--Akhilleus]] ([[User talk:Akhilleus|talk]]) 04:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::Going by approximate UserIDs, they seem to have created the username just a bit before the log was started.
::*[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] - UserID: 230000 ''±200'' - (6 April 2005)
::*[[User:Mnyakko|Mnyakko]] - UserID: 343000 ''±200'' - (??)
::*User creation log created - (August 2005)
::*[[User:Akhilleus|Akhilleus]] - UserID: 615500 ''±200'' - (28 November 2005)
::*[[User:Zeeboid|Zeeboid]] - UserID: 1789100 ''±200'' - (13 July 2006)
::So probably they were just camping.--[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 06:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Infobox spacing ==

Would it be practical to make "margin-top: 5px;" part of the default style for Infoboxes? I know that's bad karma and all to force style on things, but it would help keep infoboxes from being too close to things; like disambig notices and templates. - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] <sup>[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]</sup> 02:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Might not the <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki> template family do enough if used appropriately when needed? [[User:Nihiltres|Nihiltres]] 04:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Timestamp overlap ==

:''Copied from [[Talk:Main Page]], 20:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)''

[[Image:MainPageOverlap.JPG|200px|thumb|Take a look]]

The timestamp on this talk page is overlapping with the "Your continued donations keep Wikipedia running!" that appears when not logged in. It has "display:none" in the style attribute, so I'm a bit confused about why this even appears at all... [[User:164.107.166.227|164.107.166.227]] 18:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, I see this as well. It really looks rather ugly... but I don't know how to fix it. Help? [[user:Goldfritter|<span style="color:gold;">Gold</span>]][[user talk:Goldfritter|fritter]] 16:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:: Does this only appear when one is not logged in ? I don't see it now. I have seen it before and it disappears when I reload/refresh the page. Rather odd.... --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 19:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It's a conflict between the style class "metadata topicon" which is used to locate the date on this page and the wiki-wide begging message that is only shown when logged out. The begging message is shown with javascript with a style of "text-align:right;" in the div id="siteNotice". The result is they slap on top of each other. One or the other element needs to be rethought. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 19:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::: Can we move the clock a little bit down to avoid this conflict ? --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 19:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::::: If we move the clock down (only on this page as it's a wiki-wide style class) it will conflict with the horizontal rule when people are logged in. The div that is visible for those not logged in adds extra space. I'm not sure what to do as everyone's browser renders a little different depending on what browser they have and how it handles fonts, not to mention personal font settings. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 19:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

How about: <code><nowiki><div id="coordinates">'''{{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTDAYNAME}} [[{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}]], [[{{CURRENTYEAR}}]] ([[UTC]])'''</div></nowiki></code>? The text will be a little smaller. Cheers, ['''[[User:Sd31415|<span style="color: black;">sd</span>]]'''] 22:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Image sizes ==

"'''Specifying the width of an image can screw up the layout for some readers so much as to make the article unreadable. Wikipedia is used by people who may have very good reasons for specifying smaller, or larger images than what looks good in your browser. Since specifying an image size overrides the preferences they may have set, it should not be done without a very good reason. Essentially the guidelines say that it should only be done if shrinking the image to default size will make the image unusable.'''"
*Is it a difficult problem to fix WP's image handling routines so that browsers aren't screwed up by specifying image sizes? [[User:Paul venter|Paul venter]] 15:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== TeX is UGLY ==

The images containing renderings of any TeX used in articles generates them in a font that is completely different from the article font. In a size that is too big, and on a background that is always white. Is there anything that can be done to make these images blend in more with the articles, i.e. use the ''cmbright'' package to render the equations sans serif - and turn the font size down a bit. Also would it be possible to use a transparent background for the images? [[User:Conrad.Irwin|Conrad.Irwin]] 09:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

: Serifs are useful to differentiate between similar symbols.  Complicated expressions need the large font size.  Consider the [[normal distribution]]:
::<math>f(x;\mu,\sigma) = \frac{1}{\sigma\sqrt{2\pi}} \, e^{ -\frac{(x- \mu)^2}{2\sigma^2}}</math>
:--[[User:Smack|Smack]] ([[User talk:Smack|talk]]) 05:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:TeX is ugly, I argued that when it was first introduced [http://marc.info/?l=wikitech-l&m=104230037702147&w=2]. But I disagree about the sans serif, I'd rather see the whole article in a serif font to match the TeX rather than the other way around. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 13:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::We can't control what font the article is in - the user does that with their web browser. I think that the biggest impediment to getting rid of TEX is that there is no reasonable support in pure HTML for anything except subscripts and superscripts, and until the browsers have a way to format math natively we are stuck with TEX images for complicated expressions.  As a test, try to show the formula that Smack has above without using TEX in a way that most browsers will display correctly. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 13:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Tex does not look ugly to me. It looks nice. Using a different font for math symbols than text is a common practice. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 13:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sorting Names Aphabetically in Categories ==

In [[:ka:|Georgian Wikipedia]] in order to have peoples' bios sorted aphabetically in their categories we have to name articles as "last name, first name" (e.g. Washington, George, etc., which is unnatural for the language, [[:ka:კატეგორია:ქართველი_მხატვრები|see example]]), but here in English Wikipedia it's not required. Can anyone tell, what do we need to do to rectify this? Will very much appreciate. - [[user:Alsandro|Alsandro]] · [[user talk:Alsandro|T]] · [[:ka:user:Alsandro|w:ka:]] [http://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Alsandro?action=history Th] · [[:ka:user talk:Alsandro|T]] 07:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
: What you can do is use [[:Help:Category|category sort keys]] on individual articles. AFAIK, there's no way to do this wiki-wide. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 08:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::thanks. - [[user:Alsandro|Alsandro]] · [[user talk:Alsandro|T]] · [[:ka:user:Alsandro|w:ka:]] [http://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Alsandro?action=history Th] · [[:ka:user talk:Alsandro|T]] 07:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Inputbox ==

Does the "editintro=" parameter work for comments added to an existing page using the inputbox function? The [[Help:Inputbox]] page seems to suggest it does, but I can't get it to work. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 01:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
:Never mind, I misread. All resolved. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 05:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== SVG Music Score Creator ==

I would like to notate music in [[SVG]] format. I downloaded [http://lilypond.org/web/install LilyPond] and successfully created some notes on a [[staff (music)|staff]] in .ly format, but when it came time to convert the .ly files, the LilyPond program gave me a PS ([[PostScript]]) file even when I asked the Command Prompt ([[DOS]]) for <kbd>-fsvg</kbd>. Then I went on a search for PS to SVG converters and found [http://www.pstoedit.net/pstoedit pstoedit] and [http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost Ghostscript], which produced an error message in Command Prompt that <kbd>pstoedit</kbd> was not a recognized command (<kbd>lilypond</kbd>, which converted LY to PS, was recognized though).

Does anyone know of a free program that can create music in SVG (preferably directly)? Make sure the SVG file can be opened in [[Inkscape]]! Otherwise, is there a way to convert PS to SVG or [[PDF]] to SVG? Thanks in advance. -- [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|<span style="color:red;">&hearts;</span>]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|<span style="color:red;">&diams;</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<span style="color:black;">&clubs;</span>]] [[Special:Emailuser/King of Hearts|<span style="color:black;">&spades;</span>]] 06:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:Have you tried using [[ImageMagick]] to convert. I have not looked for th answer to this problem specifically but am reasonably certain that if lilypond cant do it, then nothing else will. [[User:Conrad.Irwin|Conrad.Irwin]] 18:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:It looks like you want to use the <code>--backend=svg</code> option, not <code>--formats</code>. Just downloaded a couple of [http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/examples.html example scores] and successfully converted them to SVG. The strange thing was that the weren't viewable in Inkscape, but they were viewable with rsvg-view (albeit with some graphical issues). I'm not sure what it takes to make these SVG files viewable in Inkscape. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 01:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

::There seems to be a couple of issues:
::# Lilypond creates multipage SVG files, which are not supported by Inkscape (at least in version 0.45.1)
::# The font stuff is a little bit tricky
::It's possible to work around the multi-page issue with a little hacking by splitting the pages into their own SVG files. I found a few references to getting the embedded font support to work, but I didn't take the time to actually do so. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 02:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

:Also, if you do decide to convert PS to SVG, I believe that [[Scribus]] can do this with varying levels of success. I've used it to convert a few EPS files to SVG in the past. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 04:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Linking to an article with a slash in the title ==

If you're outside the main namespace, how can you link to an article with a leading slash? By default, the leading slash causes the link to be interpreted as a subpage of the current page, e.g. [[/etc/network/interfaces]]. <nowiki>[[:en:/etc/network/interfaces]]</nowiki> (gives [[:en:/etc/network/interfaces]]) is one (hackish) way of doing it, are there any others? See also [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ifdown]], where we're trying to figure out how to get this to behave with {{tl|la}}. Thanks! [[User:CaliforniaAliBaba|cab]] 02:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
: The leading colon is the proper way to do it. <code><nowiki>[[:/etc/network/interfaces]]</nowiki></code> ([[:/etc/network/interfaces]]) should work as well. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 02:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Thanks for the quick reply. Based on [[m:Help:Parser function]], I guess there's no way to strip leading colons? Just wondering since I'm trying to figure out if there's any way to fix {{tl|la}}/{{tl|lx}} to deal with this; e.g. <nowiki>{{la|:/etc/network/interfaces}}</nowiki> doesn't quite work, gives:
::: {{#ifeq:no|yes|<!--nothing-->|<span id="{{anchorencode::/etc/network/interfaces}}"></span>}}<span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx">[<nowiki/>[:{{encodefirst|{{ucfirst::/etc/network/interfaces}}}}]<nowiki/>] ([{{fullurl::/etc/network/interfaces|action=edit}} edit]&nbsp;&#124; [[Talk::/etc/network/interfaces|talk]]&nbsp;&#124; [{{fullurl::/etc/network/interfaces|action=history}} history]<span class="sysop-show">&nbsp;&#124; [{{fullurl::/etc/network/interfaces|action=protect}} protect]&nbsp;&#124; [{{fullurl::/etc/network/interfaces|action=delete}} delete]</span>&nbsp;&#124; [{{fullurl:Special:Whatlinkshere/:/etc/network/interfaces|limit=999}} links]&nbsp;&#124; [{{fullurl::/etc/network/interfaces|action=watch}} watch]&nbsp;&#124; [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::/etc/network/interfaces}}}} logs]&nbsp;&#124; [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages={{urlencode:{{encodefirst|:/etc/network/interfaces}}|WIKI}}&project=en.wikipedia.org views])</span>
<!--Linter error demonstration worked around by substing La template; July 2023-->
:: Cheers, [[User:CaliforniaAliBaba|cab]] 02:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
::: Never mind, I guess [[m:StringFunctions]] is what I want, except they're not installed over here. So I suppose no solution for now. Cheers, [[User:CaliforniaAliBaba|cab]] 02:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strange lines in [[Skarloey Railway]] (viewed with IE7) ==

Just noticed a problem in [[Skarloey Railway]]. There is a heading and a spoiler warning box sandwiched between a TOCleft box and a map image (this is not the problem!).  However, in IE7 the lines from the spoiler warning and the underline for the heading stretch across the page, overwriting the TOC and the map.  This does not occur in IE 5.5 and IE 6, in which I created/maintained this layout for the page.

Anyone got any ideas?

[[User:EdJogg|EdJogg]] 23:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
*Weird lines in IE7 for me, none in Firefox. I have no idea why, just confirming it's a real problem. [[User:Nardman1|Nardman1]] 23:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The Firefox rendering is most likely correct, but in any case I spaced out the text so there is no longer a problem. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] <sup>([[User talk:Remember the dot|talk]])</sup> 03:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Photo won't move to right ==

In [[Badami Cave Temples]], the last image at the bottom of the article will not move to the right as told to do. I have moved it around to see if placement makes a difference, but I can't figure out what is wrong. I would appreciate any help you can provide. I'm sure it is just a stupid mistake I am overlooking. Thanks! Sincerely, [[User:Mattisse|Mattisse]] 23:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Nevermind - I figured it out. (A mistake in a reference not several sections up was affecting it.) Thanks!--[[User:Mattisse|Mattisse]] 23:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Monobook.css - better rendering for .diffchange in diff's... ==

I recently proposed a better method of highlighting diff's in Monobook.css at [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css#Better_rendering_for_.diffchange_in_diff.27s...|MediaWiki Talk:Monobook.css]]. It can be of great use when trying to locate what has been removed or added in a page change when it is just a period, comma, dash or other very small single character. I thought I would post it here, since it is suggested on that page that any changes be brought up here as well. Maybe make your replies/comments at the Monobook.css talk: page linked above? Thanks. --[[User:MattWright|MattWright]] ([[User talk:MattWright|talk]]) 21:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[User: Pupster21/monobook.js]] ==

I added admin-like revert to my mono book and now it won't let Pupster21 log in!
--[[User:Pupster210|Pupster210]] 19:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:In that case, shouldn't we ask an admin to erase your monobook? If you agree, you could make a post at [[WP:AN/I]], or I can do it for you. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 19:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Please do it. I didn't know that would crash my account. I mean, it says at the [[RC patrol]] that will give you admin like reverts. --[[User:Pupster210|Pupster210]] 19:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:I can't think of a way that your monobook.js would affect logging into your account.  Could you elaborate on what happens when you try to log in?  Error messages, etc?  —[[User:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#333;font-weight:bold;">bbatsell</span>]] [[User_talk:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#C46100;font-size:0.75em;">¿?</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Bbatsell|<span style="color:#2C9191;">✍</span>]] 19:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

It won't go to the login successful page. It did until I added that to my monobook. --[[User:Pupster210|Pupster210]] 19:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:I have blanked your monobook.js page per your request. If it is the script causing your problems then refreshing your cache should help. Not sure how this could be caused by the script though. If it turns out to be something different you can just RV my blanking. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 19:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll try. If it works I'll post with [[User:Pupster21]] --[[User:Pupster210|Pupster210]] 19:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Victory!!! THANKS!!!! --[[User:Pupster21|Pupster21]] 19:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:Ahh, good. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 19:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::For future reference, disabling javascript in your browser, logging in, and removing your monobook.js file yourself is a lot more reliable; depending on your browser, your newly-blanked-by-an-admin .js file may not get reloaded on its own for quite some time. &mdash;[[User talk:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 19:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::Gratz, but I wish the code had been commented out, instead of deleted, so we could diagnose the problem. [[User:PeterStJohn|Pete St.John]] 19:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It was blanked, not deleted.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Pupster21/monobook.js&oldid=121484883 Here's] the problematic revision. &mdash;[[User talk:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 19:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:I am a little confused as to how a login issue could happen to Pup, but not to everyone else. I don't see any fault with the inclusion code. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 19:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deleting a chapter ==

 
Is there a way to delete whole chapters in a long article, without having to go line by line? I'm trying to fix a long article part of which must go to Wikipedia, part to Wiktionary.[[User:Makaokalani|Makaokalani]] 12:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

:This question is difficult to understand, because [[WP:LAYOUT]] says nothing about "chapters" in Wikipedia articles. Perhaps you refer to large sections. What browser and operating system are you using? The ones I use let me select large blocks of text with the mouse, and then cut them to the clipboard or delete them. It's also possible to delete a whole section quickly: click the edit link for the section, then right-click in the edit window, select "select all", press the delete key. If you need to make large-scale edits that are inconvenient to do in a browser, copy the whole article into an external editor, then paste back the result. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 17:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Watchlist lag, again... ==
Anyone else experiencing a lag of about ten minutes?--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 15:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:VPT is on my watchlist, and your post here is showing on my watchlist at the moment (substantially less than 10 minutes after your post), so no for me. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 15:36, 18 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

== Firefox issues ==

I'm not sure if this is the right forum for discussion, but I wonder if there is any specific project aimed at resolving issues between different browsers showing templates etc. differently.  For example, [[:Template:Area|this template]] is practically illegible in FF but fine in MSIE.  I want to have a go at resolving it, but wonder if there is a place where I can get assistance? <div>— [[User:Superbfc|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">superbfc</span>]] <small>[ [[User_talk:Superbfc|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Superbfc|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]] ]</small> — <em style="font-size:10px;">11:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</em></div>
::It seems to be resolved now - somebody had removed a parameter which was redundant in MSIE, but required for Mozilla.  <div>— [[User:Superbfc|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">superbfc</span>]] <small>[ [[User_talk:Superbfc|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Superbfc|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]] ]</small> — <em style="font-size:10px;">16:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</em></div>

== Did you mean...? ==

I'd love to see Wikipedia with a "did you mean...? feature on the search engine. 

R. Morris
Valencia, Spain

:[http://www.google.com/custom?domains=en.wikipedia.org&sitesearch=en.wikipedia.org Google Search on Wikipedia] does that. See: [[User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Sea]] for more search options. You might also want to try searching Wikipedia with [[Clusty]], which has a [http://wiki.clusty.com/ Wikipedia search option] now. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 17:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

::If you had read the FAQ section above, you would have known that Wikipedia does have spell checking as a feature, but that it has been disabled because of the strain it would place on the servers. ''[[User:Harryboyles|<b style="color:darkblue;">Harryboyles</b>]]'' 12:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==User contributions==
What's the deal with the new boxes on the User contributions page?  I see vandalism, I go to look at the IP address's page to see what other vandalism has been performed, and I don't see any contributions at all, even the vandalism I just reverted.  And what are the purposes of those two boxes?  [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 18:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

:I think that the reason the contributions aren't showing up is good old-fashioned lag. As for the boxes, they're a new feature on contributions pages. I think they're supposed to make it easier to go from contributions page to contributions page. --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 18:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

:Now when I try to see the contributions made by a user with an extensive history at Wikipedia, it's taking godawful amounts of time for the contributions page to come up.  Only the newbie IP addresses actually show up in a quick amount of time, and they're empty.  In fact, when I try to see my own contributions, I get the "The Wikimedia Foundation servers are currently experiencing technical difficulties." error screen, even though Wikipedia is up and running.  [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 18:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yes; the contributions are slow again, and I think the watchlists might be a bit slow as well. Give it a 15 minutes to half an hour; it should be fine by then. It normally takes about that long for the problem to go away. Both the watchlist and the contributions are taking some time to load at the moment. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 18:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Whew, seems to be fixed.  Maybe it just needed a lunch break.  :)  [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 20:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Patrol log ==

What exactly is the Patrol Log for? [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=patrol&user=&page=] [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 22:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
: See [[:m:Help:Patrolled edit|Help:Patrolled edit]]. It is disabled here, but have a look at, let's say, [[:wikt:Special:Log/Patrol]]... [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 22:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Use of the + tab or "new post" link versus using an existing section link ==

I almost always use the + tab when adding new sections to talk pages, but I wondered whether doing so always succeeds in avoiding edit conflicts when someone else is contributing to the last existing section. Recently, I have been on the receiving end of a few edit conflicts on the Help Desk when answering the last question (thus having to go back, copy my post, refresh the page and try again) and in every case, it was because someone had posted a new question. Of course, I can't say for sure that they failed to use the + tab or "post" link, but I suspect that this might be the case. I would like to post a polite and helpful suggestion on the user's talk page when this occurs, but I don't want to do that if they did in fact use the correct method.  [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''Adrian'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''M. H.'''</span>]] 20:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

You might be able to tell by the way the headings are set up. The + button to add new posts always sets them up the same way.<pre>
== Heading ==

Text</pre>
There are always apaces between the <nowiki>==</nowiki> and the heading title, just as there is always a space between the heading and text. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 22:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:I haven't noticed any differences (but wasn't looking out for them). Thanks for the tip. [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''Adrian'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''M. H.'''</span>]] 22:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::A more telltale sign might be the edit summary. If you created a section called "Kittens", your edit summary would be the text "Kittens", with nothing else after that. (Those that create sections with + have no choice with regards to edit summaries.) Combined with other factors, you may have a good guess. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 20:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, with regards to the help desk question: you know, whenever you get an edit conflict, the edit box containing your intended version is down at the very bottom of the page, after a diff between the two versions. So you only need to copy the text from the second textbox to the first, and click save. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 21:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:The submitter of this question, [[User:Adrian M. H.|Adrian M. H.]], surmised that one could avoid edit conflicts by using the + tab.  I don't believe this is true. (The '+' button gives you the illusion you are editing a 'sub-article', but there is one single edit history for the entire article, so the sections don't get saved back to the database independently). [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] 00:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


== Wikisource link ==

The [[wikisource:Main Page|wikisource:]] prefix leads to the English [[Wikisource]]. However, is there an interwiki link prefix that leads to a page on the multilingual wikisource (eg, [http://wikisource.org/wiki/Tibi%2C_Redemptor_omnium this page])? [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">T</span>]]</sup> § 20:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[oldwikisource:Tibi, Redemptor omnium]].  [[meta:Interwiki map]] seems to be the canonical list. &mdash;[[User talk:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 21:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, I thought I saw that page somewhere! Now bookmarked. Thank ye. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">T</span>]]</sup> § 22:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Copied from [[Wikipedia:Help desk|Help desk]] ==

Copied the following here, because the devs may be interested, and I don't think they read the Help desk... [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 19:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

=== en.wikipedia.org dns problem ===

Dear wikipedia!

Please review situation with your zone file wikipedia.org especially in part of
en.wikipedia.org.

Your current practice:
 vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
 en.wikipedia.org.       3600    IN      CNAME   rr.wikimedia.org.
 rr.wikimedia.org.       600     IN      CNAME   rr.knams.wikimedia.org.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Multilevel redirect 'A' request is poor and do not improve reliability,
more useful using easy 'A' record for manage moving webservers between IP, if need.

Some time I do not resolve en.wikipedia.org, see for instance:
 host -v en.wikipedia.org 145.97.39.158
 Trying "en.wikipedia.org"
 Using domain server:
 Name: 145.97.39.158
 Address: 145.97.39.158#53
 Aliases:
 
 Host en.wikipedia.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
 Received 34 bytes from 145.97.39.158#53 in 44 ms

Best regards <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/84.237.168.50|84.237.168.50]] ([[User talk:84.237.168.50|talk]]) 19:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:rr.wikimedia.org is a virtual hostname for geographic load balancing. It resolves to rr.pmtpa, rr.knams or rr.yaseo depending on which is closest. This has nothing to do with the brief downtime in DNS service today, which was due to a configuration error in the wikipedia.org zone file. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 21:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Font help ==

Why did the font change all of a sudden? Everything looks weird! --[[User:Smokizzy|Smokizzy]] 18:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:Did you accidentally hold down CTRL when moving your mouse's scroller wheel? That increases/decreases font sizes in web-browsers <div>— [[User:Superbfc|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">superbfc</span>]] <small>[ [[User_talk:Superbfc|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Superbfc|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]] ]</small> — <em style="font-size:10px;">22:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</em></div>
::No, The font itself is different, and the settings for my browser show no change is the font settings. --[[User:Smokizzy|Smokizzy]] 22:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I have no idea - is this on every page?  It could be that your [[monobook]] (your 'skin' settings) is somehow corrupted, perhaps by a bad syntax on a page which has rendered an error which has not been resolved.  If this means absolutely nothing to you, though, I'm sorry!  Just a stab in the dark <div>— [[User:Superbfc|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">superbfc</span>]] <small>[ [[User_talk:Superbfc|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Superbfc|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]] ]</small> — <em style="font-size:10px;">22:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</em></div>

:Did you try [[WP:BYPASS|clearing your browser's cache]]?  —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] 22:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::::It appers to only affect the "monobook" and "chick" skins. I'm now using the "Cologne Blue" skin, and everything is fine. Where can I get more help for this problem? --[[User:Smokizzy|Smokizzy]] 22:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I would start [[Help:User style|here]].  A bit technical, but I don't know where else <div>— [[User:Superbfc|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">superbfc</span>]] <small>[ [[User_talk:Superbfc|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Superbfc|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]] ]</small> — <em style="font-size:10px;">22:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</em></div>
Never mind. Turns out I had messed with the fonts folder right before the problem started. Used System Restore, now everything works like a charm. Thank you guys for your help. Cheers. ;) --[[User:Smokizzy|Smokizzy]] 01:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Tidy upgraded ==

Our copy of [[HTML Tidy]] has been upgraded. This has apparently caused some minor changes to the way wikitext is rendered, such as in the user page in the village pump section above. These changes are probably here to stay, unless someone can identify clearly broken behaviour in the new Tidy that we can apply to have fixed. Also posted to wikitech-l [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2007-April/030790.html here]. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 15:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:I notice as of today, a number of very small html coding errors in signatures and templates are causing major issues on large pages. Particularly templates/signatures lacking closing tags are causing a lot of trouble. Has it stopped autoparsing html tags?--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::I noticed a strange behavior in HTML ordered lists that have code examples between list items. A code example now renders ''before'' the list item it is ''after'' in the source. See my Help desk question for a complete example, along with the temporary work-around I've been using:
::*[[WP:HD#Strange new behavior for HTML ordered lists]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=122311506#Strange_new_behavior_for_HTML_ordered_lists permanent link])
::--[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 20:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Rtl-lang, please review ==

please note my comments in the "Usage" section at {{tl|rtl-lang}}. Unless I am badly mistaken, the template is based on the flawed assumption that the "dir=rtl" parameter is needed for any string in a rtl-script, while in reality, it is only required for very esoteric stuff like Arabic letters as symbols in math or similar. If I am correct, the template should probably be deprecated, and a bot should be sent in to replace all instances with simple {{tl|lang}}. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 17:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Talk Page Glitch ==

Can somebody take a look at [[User talk:Jeffhardyfan*17]] and see why it is acting screwed up.  When you click each edit section, it opens actually opens the section below it.  When you click edit section for the last section, it gives you a new section (i.e. an empty section).  Is this a system glitch or what? [[User:Chrislk02|-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider)]] 17:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:There's probably something in that massive welcome kludge which is causing the problem.  I don't want to tangle with trying to resolve that, though.  Maybe delete the whole welcome?  [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 17:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Just swapped it for a straight {{tl|welcome}} message; Bobs your uncle and Fannys your aunt - problem solved! [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|Ryan Postlethwaite]] [[User_talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Ryan_Postlethwaite|contribs]] 17:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== articles for deletion ==

Hi:  Today's Articles for deletion log [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2007_April_13] is somehow munged up.  I (and a few others before me) added new articles and they're stuck inside an archive box for a different discussion.  I can't figure out what the formatting problem is.  Could someone help?  [[User:NathanBeach|<span style="color:#08457E"><span style="font-family:'courier';">--nathanbeach</span></span>]] 15:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
: for example, Mark Driscoll, Gavin Spittle, etc (at the very bottom) shouldn't be inside that box... [[User:NathanBeach|<span style="color:#08457E"><span style="font-family:'courier';">--nathanbeach</span></span>]] 15:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Thanks to whoever fixed it... [[User:NathanBeach|<span style="color:#08457E"><span style="font-family:'courier';">--nathanbeach</span></span>]] 15:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Skin ==

I want to alter the monobook skin (for personal use) to resemble the ones used on fr and es Wikipedia. Please see more detailed question at the [[Wikipedia:Help_desk#Skin|Help desk]] and answer there. Any help is greatly appreciated. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Oldpages ==

What has to be done to get special pages updated? The one I'd like to see updated is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Ancientpages Special:Ancientpags]. Thanks. --[[User:Montchav|Montchav]] 23:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
: [[:foundation:Fundraising|Donating cash to buy new servers]]. These queries are not being made due to performance concerns. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 04:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Titoxd has pretty much stated it all. The Wikimedia Board of Trustees has approved a resolution to purchase more servers ([http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_budget/2007/Q1/hardware/purchase_1 link]) which once it comes to fruition, could mean that we are able to enable these features. However money does not grow on trees and we will always need more donations. '''''[[User:Harryboyles|<span style="color:darkblue;">Harryboyles</span>]]''''' 08:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Links ==

I'm just wondering how you can change what inter-wiki links say, yet still lead to the same place e.g: To make [[Buckden Towers]] just 'the tower', yet still lead to the Buckden Towers article. [[User:J S Firefox|J S Firefox]] 09:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:Use the pipe character, e.g. <nowiki>[[Buckden Towers|the tower]]</nowiki> produces [[Buckden Towers|the tower]]. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 12:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:And if you want to learn more about this syntax, have a look at [[m:Help:Piped link]]. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 12:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks man, that helped a lot! :D [[User:J S Firefox|J S Firefox]] 13:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
*That's not an [[Wikipedia:Interwiki link|Interwiki link]] :) - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Problems uploading .svg images ==

I have created some images using inkscape and I save them as both plain .svg and inkscape.svg but neither uploads.  I get no error message, but when I go to look at the image, I get the red X.  Any advice? And if this is not the right place to get help for this, please suggest another forum.  Thanks in afdvance. [[User:Argos'Dad|Argos&#39;Dad]] 18:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:I took a look at [[:Image:SimaVasileionEllados.svg]] and it appears to embed a PNG file located at C:\Documents and Settings\Steve &amp; Brian\My Documents\Steve's Pictures\Wikimedia\SimaVasileion4.PNG.  Since we don't have access to your hard drive, it doesn't work that well. ;)  As for how to fix that, I wouldn't begin to know how to tell you except to just upload the PNG directly. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 01:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:You need to use Inkscape's "Trace Bitmap" function if you want the PNG to actually be converted to SVG. It looks like all you did was import the image which left the reference to the file on your local disk. Another option is to use "Effects -> Images -> Embed All Images", but then your SVG is not really a scalable vector graphic, since it contains an embedded [[raster image]]. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 03:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strange corrupted Diff ==

[[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Noah&diff=122776534&oldid=122775449]] This shows as a corrupted diff brining in text from several months ago.  What is causing this? [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 17:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Toggle sections in infoboxes ==

[copied from help desk]

Is there a way to create infoboxes with toggleable sections? I want to achieve that, so infoboxes will be able to contain more information, without taking more space. For example, a politician infobox, could contain all one's previous public offices, with only the 1 or 2 most important ones expanded by default.<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Geva_Zeichner/Sandbox&oldid=122499615 Here's] a template I'm working on for politicians. It allows for unlimited offices to be put in. That creates the need of hiding the unwanted offices by clicking the title of the office.<br />
I presume JS can't be integrated to the template in order to achieve that. Correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:Geva Zeichner|Geva Zeichner]] 14:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:JS can be used in some form in templates (such as in [[Template:Hidden]] for example), but I am not familiar with the method. You could ask at the Village Pump (technical) help desk (link at the top of this page). [[Help:Template]] is worth a read, but only gives fairly basic info. [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''Adrian'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''M. H.'''</span>]] 16:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[/copied from help desk]

::I've now tried using the [[Wikipedia:NavFrame]] thing, but with only some success. It works but the div finds its way outside of the infobox. Use of style="float: none" didn't help. I've also tried using the collapsible tables, but cascading the table breaks the larger table it's in. [[User:Geva Zeichner|Geva Zeichner]] 09:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Look at the infobox at [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]. Are those [show/hide] links what you're looking for? –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 10:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Wikisource links backlog ==

This has probably already been brought up, but there are several links to [[Wikisource]] that are broken. That's because pages in http://wikisource.org where deleted and  moved to http://en.wikisource.org, http://fr.wikisource.org, http://de.wikisource.org, or others. More obscure languages have stayed at the subdomain-less Wikisource. A general backlog of non-functional links is available [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.wikisource.org&limit=500 here]; if anyone wants to help, he/she may replace broken Wikisource links with [[WP:INTERWIKI|interwiki prefixes]], or the [[Template:Wikisource|Wikisource template]]. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 20:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[User:MaxSem/Wikisource|Here]] is filtered and alphabetically sorted list. I'll start from the bottom. [[User:MaxSem|Max<span style="font-size:large;">''S''</span>em]] 08:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::Heh, why didn't I think about doing that? I actually started with the goal of converting Wikisource external links to interwiki links, but found this problem, which is more immediate. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 17:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::In addition, some links may be valid, to more obscure languages. Those could be prefixed by "oldwikisource:", methinks. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 17:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Definition of newbie on Wikipedia ==

:''Please see [[Wikipedia:Help_desk#Definition_of_newbie_on_wikipedia]]''
Hi, I was wondering, in the context of [{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|contribs=newbie}}] what is meant by the word "newbie"? [[WP:NEWBIE]] and [[WP:NEWBIES]] don't define the term, and I initially thought that it may be the first edit of each user, but I've now seen people logged there after over fifty edits, and my 24hour theory fell through too — <font face="Verdana">'''[[User:Jrockley|Jack]]''' <small>· [[User talk:Jrockley|talk]] · 23:19, Saturday, 14 April 2007</small></font>
:Just speculation, but it may be users who have not reached the 4-day "autoconfirm" threshold (required to move pages and edit sprotected pages). [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 23:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::Nope, that's not it either. I've seen page creations by newbies show up there, and that's mostly why I use it, most of the fresh junk pages show up there. — <font face="Verdana">'''[[User:Jrockley|Jack]]''' <small>· [[User talk:Jrockley|talk]] · 00:09, Sunday, 15 April 2007</small></font>
:::Page creation isn't actually restricted to established users. [[User:Mr.Z-man|<span style="color:maroon;">Mr.Z-man</span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|<i style="color:navy; font-family:cursive;">¢</i>]]''' 00:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
::::What do you mean? AFAIK, page creation is restricted to only those who have held an account for four days — <font face="Verdana">'''[[User:Jrockley|Jack]]''' <small>· [[User talk:Jrockley|talk]] · 00:24, Sunday, 15 April 2007</small></font>
:::::Nope. Anyone can upload an image or create a non-talk page once they get an account. After four days (or more specifically, 345600 seconds), they can move pages and edit semi-protected ones. It can be reasonably inferred that software makes the differentiation between "newbie" and not based upon autoconfirmed-ness. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 04:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Tecnically, newbies are those who registered among last 1% of users. [[User:MaxSem|Max<span style="font-size:large;">''S''</span>em]] 05:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Protection not functioning? ==

While on vandal patrol, I've come across a couple of edits that were made to "semi-protected" pages by IP addy users. This shouldn't be happening, should it? Refer to the edit 22:51, 14 April 2007 172.129.232.152 on [[Microscope]] as an example. Sorry I didn't note the previous occurences, but I'll be sure to return and post notes of any others I find--unless there's a better place to be posting notice of this? Best Regards, [[User:Wysdom|Wysdom]] 00:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:The article actually ''wasn't'' semiprotected. Merely having a template on a page, like {{[[Template:pp-semi-template|pp-semi-template]]}} or {{[[Template:pp-vandalism|pp-vandalism]]}}, doesn't make it protected or semi-protected; if a page has this at the top when you try to edit it:
{{MediaWiki:Semiprotectedpagewarning}}
:then it's semiprotected. If not, then it's not. This is a good indicator. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 00:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
::How weird. Sorry to be a noob--I just assumed that things tagged semi-protected ''were''. Why would someone put the tag up on a page that's not semi-protected? Or, I suppose, more to the point, why is there a 'semi-protection' tag which CAN be put up on a page which isn't? It would seem to give vandals the idea that they can actually flout Wiki's protections--i.e. that said protections do not work. The repeated vandalism of [[Microscope]] shows the vandal over-and-again replacing the page with "too bad I can't edit this semi-protected page" and "look what I can still edit!!!" etc. Just my thoughts--thanks for your time! Regards, [[User:Wysdom|Wysdom]] 01:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::In this case, it appears as though {{user|CJCurrie}} [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Microscope&diff=122425804&oldid=122425784 tagged the article] as semi-protected, even though it wasn't. It is somewhat of a misconception that tagging an article as semi-protected will make it thus. Others might tag an article as semi-protected to drive vandals away (without [[WP:RFPP|asking for admin help]]), or to [[WP:OWN|prevent others from editing the article]]. These generally don't work. On the other hand, administrators might protect or semi-protect an article without indicating it with a template. The templates that can be used are indicated [[Template:Protection templates|here]]. If a page is semi-protected, feel free to tag it with the appropriate template at the top. It would be great if protection notices were built into the article interface: that is, if protecting an article automatically put the notice on that article, rather than having to make two separate actions. But this is not so. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 03:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== collapsing two css classes ==

having combined {{tl|IAST}}, {{tl|semxlit}}, {{tl|ArabDIN}} and others into a new {{tl|transl}}, I suggest that the "IAST" css class in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] be removed, and the "latinx" class used generically for all romanizations of non-Latin scripts.

latinx at present suggests:
: Code2000, "TITUS Cyberbit Basic", "Microsoft Sans Serif"
while IAST suggests:
:"Arial Unicode MS", "GNU Unifont", "Lucida Sans Unicode"

note that this is a bit unfortunate, since it will be a matter of chance whether the result is in serif or sans-serif. Code2000 and TITUS are serif (TITUS has no cursive!). Microsoft Sans, Arial and Lucida Sans are sans-serif. The purpose of the class should be to render as much [[Latin Unicode]] as possible, but I think font suggestions should be ordered so as to prefer either serif or sans-serif. Maybe
: [[Code2000]], "[[Free UCS Outline Fonts|Free Serif]]", "[[GNU Unifont]]", "[[TITUS Cyberbit Basic]]" 

Since most systems now come with reasonable Unicode support out-of-the-box, these classes will be largely redundant soon, anyway.
[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 15:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== time ==

Hi, I want to have my current time posted at the top of my talk page.  I used this template: {{#TIME:H:i:s|+1 hour}} but it does not always work - right now for example it is several hours off.  Am I using it improperly, or is there a better template I can use? I know I can purge - but do I really have to purge every time I want to clock to update itself?  Is there no alternative? Thanks, [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]   |  [[User talk:Slrubenstein|Talk]] 13:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:There probably isn't an alternative. I've got something similar; mine instead says the time the page was last purged or "refreshed". I know there is Javascript, but that would be for your personal use only; you can't have Javascript on normal pages for security reasons. ''[[User:Harryboyles|<b style="color:darkblue;">Harryboyles</b>]]'' 13:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Background colours ==

Have the background colours been changed recently? Articles are still white, but all other pages (special, discussion, project, etc.) have a slightly blue (annoying) tinge. I didn't see any changes recently in Common.css or Monobook.css, so I'm not sure what's going on (I've got a local Monobook.css copy but it only has one style rule which does not concern background color). I tried using two different browsers (Firefox and IE6), to the same effect. I have also tried purging the server cache and force-reloading. What is going on, and how do I fix it? Thanks. &mdash;[[User:Dvandersluis|Daniel Vandersluis]]<sup>([[User talk:Dvandersluis|talk]])</sup> 07:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:It's been like that for ages. I think you might have only realised that recently, but the non article pages have been like that for longer than I can recall. ''[[User:Harryboyles|<b style="color:darkblue;">Harryboyles</b>]]'' 07:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

::'''edit conflict'''
::It is defined in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] and looks like it has been that way for almost [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css&diff=4428125&oldid=4416413 three years]. You can fix it with a little user css (take the '''.ns-0''' stuff and define it for '''.mediawiki'''). --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 07:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Huh, strange. I completely never noticed it until suddenly last night. <s>Is .mediawiki the css class for the page backgrounds?</s> Never mind, I figured it out. Thanks for pointing this out to me. &mdash;[[User:Dvandersluis|Daniel Vandersluis]]<sup>([[User talk:Dvandersluis|talk]])</sup> 14:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Questions for Vandalism study ==

We are working on conducting our second vandalism study here [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Vandalism studies/Study2]], and I had some technical questions that I thought someone here could help us with.  Is there anyway to determine the amount of data added or subtracted from an article from a specific edit? I know that this is displayed on the recent changes page, but can you get that information for any edit?  Also is there any way to easily measure the size of an article at a specific point in its history? If anybody has any expertise in these areas please let me know. [[User:Remember|Remember]] 02:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:You might be able to get the content of two revisions, calculate their length, and then subtract the two values. Using [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/api.php api.php] for this seems best, since it's quick. For example, take the following function in JavaScript, which returns the change in size between revisions using Ajax in Firefox (I should learn another programming language for doing this rather soon):
<pre>var XMLobj;
var XMLdoc;
var diffNum;

function getNumDiff(title, crevid) {
  try {
    XMLobj = sajax_init_object();
    XMLobj.overrideMimeType('text/xml');
    XMLobj.onreadystatechange = getDiffContent;
    XMLobj.open('GET', wgServer + wgScriptPath + '/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&format=xml&rvlimit=2' + '&rvstartid=' + crevid + '&titles=' + encodeURIComponent(title), true);
   XMLobj.send(null);
   } catch(anError) {}
}

function getDiffContent() {
  if (XMLobj.readyState != 4) {
    return;
  }

  if(XMLobj.status != 200) {
    alert ('There was an error.');
    return;
  }

  var XMLdoc = XMLobj.responseXML.documentElement;

  if(!XMLdoc) {
  return;
  }

  alert(getRvData(XMLdoc.getElementsByTagName('rev')[0]).length - getRvData(XMLdoc.getElementsByTagName('rev')[1]).length);
}

function getRvData(rvObj) {
  var rvNodes =  rvObj.childNodes;
  var rvString = '';
    for (nodes in rvNodes) {
      rvString += rvNodes[nodes].nodeValue || '';
    }
  return rvString;
}</pre>
Then try, say, getNumDiff('Kitten', 122843426). This alerts the difference in revision size&mdash;in this case, 39 characters&mdash;in .25 seconds. There is probably a better way of doing it... an actual programming language may be an option. Then there's always [[wget]]. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 04:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:For the first question, you could wait until [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=20221 revision 20221] of MediaWiki is activated on Wikimedia Foundation wikis which will add the number of bytes add/removed to all edits in article histories. However this requires an update of all the rows containing edit information (over 127,000,000 on the English Wikipedia alone at time of writing), so it hasn't been activated yet. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color:green;">87</span>]] 12:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

::See [[special:version]] for the current revision number. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color:green;">87</span>]] 12:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Supressing reference tags ==

I've ran into a reader that finds the completion of each sentence with a link to a reference harder to read. As the best articles have the most reference links, they appear the hardest to read for that person. Would there be a way to add a feature that allows users to selectively suppress the reference links for an article as they read it? <span style="font: small-caps 1em Optima">[[User_talk:Sanchom|Sancho]]</span> 08:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:This might be possible. See [[Help:User style]]. You can make things go away with [[Help:User style#Non-display]]. Viewing the page source in a [[Web browser]] shows references have this in their [[HTML]] code: <code>class="reference"</code>. You might be able to set that classname so it does not display. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 21:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::Ya, it placing <code> .references {display:none} </code> in the monobook.css works, but it's pretty permanent and tedious to change back and forth. I was thinking of a tab that changed this on the fly. I suppose now that I figured out what class of element I need to hide/show, it's not much more work for me put this into a tab at the top of the page. <span style="font: small-caps 1em Optima">[[User_talk:Sanchom|Sancho]]</span> 07:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Regaining an old user account ==

Could a developer please take a quick look at [[User talk:Jimbo Wales#Regaining Identity! User:Jeffrey Newman]] and say whether my suggestion there is acceptable?. Thanks.-[[User talk:gadfium|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#808080;">gadfium</span>]] 05:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Pages being truncated ==

Have there been any complaints of [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sound_transmission_class&diff=prev&oldid=123138158 this] happeing again. The IP was trying to link in the article and it deleted 1/2 the page when they saved it. It appears that it's happend to them [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather&diff=prev&oldid=123141166 before]. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|(Talk)]] 02:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:If I understand what you're saying correctly, I've seen it happen to the article on [[Good Eats]] before. It was caused by a reference that was improperly closed, if I remember correctly. --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 02:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::Never mind, I just checked the diff and it didn't happen like that (the truncation didn't show on the diff in the case of [[Good Eats]]). --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 02:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::There used to be a notice at the top of some longer pages saying something about that being caused by Firefox but I thought that it had been fixed. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|(Talk)]] 02:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I do use Firefox, but the thing with Good Eats was back on April 4th, so it might have been fixed since then. I still can't think of a reason for what I see in the diff. All he did was do some internal linking, and the links were closed properly. It's quite odd, to say the least. --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 03:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Scroll Box for references ==

not sure where to put this suggestion, but on the bigger pages, a scroll box would look better for the references, then one whole screen full of references. [[User:Oldag07|Oldag07]] 22:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:If you think that it would be appropriate in an article, you can use the following code:
<div style="height:100px; overflow-y:scroll; border:thin grey solid; padding:5px;">
This is a scroll box with a height of 100. It may not work everywhere.

Filler text

Filler text

Filler text

Filler text

Filler text

Filler text

Filler text
</div>
This is an adaption from [[Beethoven]] that will work for all screen widths. You can alter the height; currently, it's 100px. Implementing this on every article with a large reference section may annoy some people, but please others. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 00:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

: The scroll box also appears in the Printable version, which probably causes only what is visible in the box to be printed rather than all the information to be printed.  I did not test what happens when trying to jump to an anchor within the box.  ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC))

== css pseudo-classes ==

another css note: we will need [http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#lang css language pseudo-classes] for {{tl|lang}} to work properly (notably font selection for CJK "[[Han unification|de-unification]]").

This will mean introducing pseudo-classes into [[MediaWiki:Common.css|common.css]] along the lines of:
 :lang(grc) {
        font-family: Athena, Gentium, "Palatino Linotype", "Arial Unicode MS", "Lucida Sans Unicode", "Lucida Grande", Code2000;
        font-family /**/:inherit;
 }
this will allow us to just use {{tl|lang}} as usual (<nowiki>{{lang|grc|ἑλληνικὴ γλῶσσα}}</nowiki>) instead of {{tl|polytonic}}.

see a proposed list [[Template_talk:Lang#glyph_variants:_classes_or_templates.3F|here]]. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 13:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merged watchlist? ==

Hi all - I spend 99% of my Wiki time on en:Wiki, but also occasionally hop over to meta and to one other language wiki (Maori). Since I only go to meta and mi:wiki every week or two, I often miss new things which are on my watchlist there. Is there any way of adding pages from Meta and mi:wiki to my en:wiki watchlist? 
[[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 07:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:You'll have to wait for [[m:SUL|SUL]] to go live. [[User:MaxSem|Max<span style="font-size:large;">''S''</span>em]] 07:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::In the meantime, Meta can be configured to send you an email whenever a page on your watchlist changes. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 14:51, 16 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
Mm. Useful. Thanks, both of you! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]''

== HELP ==

How the FUCKIN' HELL do you get to this link?

<nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|small|standard}}</nowiki>

Could ANYONE WHO SEES THIS MESSAGE HELP ME?

[[User:Deathgleaner|Deathgleaner]] 02:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:It's not a link, but a [[m:ParserFunctions|parser function]]. It means if the value of the [[parameter (computer science)|parameter]] "small" is "yes", then output "small" from the template, or do whatever with it that it's supposed to do. Otherwise, "standard" takes the place of "small". –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 02:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, what [[User:Pomte|Pomte]] said. Basically, if it's in <nowiki>[[double brackets]]</nowiki>, it's a link, and if it's in <nowiki>{{double curly-brackets}}</nowiki>, it's either a [[Wikipedia:template|template]] or a [[m:ParserFunctions|parser function]]. Oh yeah, but templates also have links. If you want to edit a template, type <code>Template:templatename</code> into the search box, replacing "templatename" with the name of the template. If you want to provide a link to a template, use <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:tl|tl]]|templatename<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>, again replacing "templatename" with the name of the template. [[User:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:green;">Pyrospirit</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:red;">Flames</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<span style="color:orange;">Fire</span>]]</sup> 03:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::It also could be a [[WP:MAGIC|magic word]]; those can confuse people ("there's no [[Template:PAGENAME]]!") [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 13:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:To make the parser functions work on another wiki, install the [[m:ParserFunctions#Installation|ParserFunctions]] extension. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 03:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Problems posting messages on talk page ==

There is a problem when I post messages on someone's talk page. Here the problem.

===Example===
Test test test test test test test. [[User:Jet123|Jet123]] [[User talk:Jet123| (Talk)]] 21:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  
  Test Test test test test test test. [[User:Jet123|Jet123]] [[User talk:Jet123| (Talk)]] 21:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

===That is the problem===
When I do this, the text looks like HTML. Maybe my account is like that. [[User:Jet123|Jet123]] [[User talk:Jet123| (Talk)]] 21:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:The leading space in the second line of tests stops MediaWiki from formatting the line. See [[Help:Editing_tips_and_tricks#Just_show_what_I_typed]].-[[User talk:gadfium|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#808080;">gadfium</span>]] 23:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::Also see [[Help:Talk page#Formatting]]. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 17:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== "Skip to end" link in long TOCs and articles ==

Could there be a link at the top-right of each TOC, to "skip to end of TOC" (or somesuch). That would be useful on pages with long TOCs, like [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents]]. Likewise, a "skip to end of article" link at the top of each article? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 23:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:Well, you can always use the "hide" link on the TOC to get that out of the way (or use the Page Down key), and the "End" key on your keyboard to go to the end of the page. Incidentally, I can't think of a reason why going to the ''very end'' of an article is of use; the only time you might do that is to add a new section to a talk page, which can be done with the "+" link at the top of every talk page. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 23:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::Hiding the TOC won't help, if it's the last item(s), in a long TOC, which a user wishes to reach. Jumping to the end of a page finds the last additions to a talk page, or the end of a long table or list, or the categories, or external links, or... [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 23:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:::In that case, the End key still works.<br />Not trying to be a dick, I'm just pointing out that, if there isn't a serious need for a system-wide change (which adding a function to the TOC would count as), the developers just won't do it. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 06:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::::"''the End key still work''" - How does the End key take a user to the end of the TOC? And you know that all user have systems with end keys how, exactly? In any case, the end key requires the user's hands (assuming they have hands...) to be on the keyboard. What if they're using a mouse?
:::::I mentioned the End key in regards to your "how does someone get to the bottom of the article" comment. To get to the bottom of the TOC, you can still use the Page Down button.<br />I'm 99% sure that all keyboards have those buttons, so I'm not particularly concerned about that. :)<br />*sigh* Look, I'm just saying how ''you'' can achieve the same functionality you're asking for ''without'' a change to the system. There might be a legitimate need for a "skip TOC" function for non-traditional browsers (ie: screen readers or people who use a Blackberry to surf, etc), but for what I suspect is the ''vast'' majority of Wikipedia users and editors, I think the current system is sufficient. If they've got their hands on the mouse but not the keyboard (ignoring the fact that it isn't difficult at all to move your hand back and forth between the two), then the mouse-enabled user can just click in the scroll area of their browser. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 16:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::"''I'm just saying how you can achieve the same functionality you're asking for without a change to the system.''" The functionality I'm asking for is for a ''single-click'' solution to take a user to the last entry in a TOC or the end of a page. All of your comments seem to assume an able-bodied user with a typical PC/ mac system. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 11:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Erm, not stating the obvious, but '''there already ''is'' this function...''' Just try clicking the first link in a TOC - this will take you right to the end of it ;) <p>Thanks, '''[[User:Jonaboff|Jonaboff]]<sub>''[[User_talk:Jonaboff|talk]]''</sub>'''</p> 08:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== monobook is not changing toolbox ==

I am trying to use Vandal's RC Patrol and when I put it into my monobook.js, my toolbox does not change. Is there something I could be doing wrong? I tried refreshing m brower's chache, and adding action=purge onto monobook.js?


:Which browser are you using? And please sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Dvyjones|<b style="color:#990000;">Dvyjones</b>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Dvyjones|t]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Dvyjones|c]]&middot;[[Special:Emailuser/Dvyjones|e]]</sup> 15:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== DELETE MY ACCOUNT ==
I am Eapos and find is SICKENING that I can do everything under the sun here EXCEPT delete my account! Can someone please tell me how to delete my account! I do not want to be apart of this kind of sickening and prejudicial online community.  [[User:Eapos|Princess Elisabeth Vantar]] 09:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I also want to delete my account, After a certain time of not logging on does wikipedia remove your account? Someone help. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:You05|You05]] ([[User talk:You05|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/You05|contribs]]) 06:03, 19 April 2007  (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>


:Just stop editing. No one's forcing you to.-[[User talk:gadfium|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#808080;">gadfium</span>]] 09:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::There's no way to delete your account. This is because if you did, someone could create an account with your name, causing all sorts of legal issues for Wikimedia. Like [[User:gadfium|gadfium]] said, just stop editing. <span style="font-family:Palatino linotype">[[User:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:#006600">Pyro</span>]][[User talk:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:#FF6600">spirit</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<sup><span style="color:#CC0000">Shiny!</span></sup>]]</span> 13:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:::There's something wiki sites like to call the [[m:right to vanish|right to vanish]]. And I only wish [[WP:DUU90|this 90-day implementation]] were working right now. Sorry—nothing we can do about it at this moment. --S[[WP:EL|l]][[WP:GA|<span style="color:#006400;">g</span>]][[WP:RS|r]][[WP:AFD|a]][[WP:NFT|n]][[WP:DP|d]][[WP:DS|s]][[WP:NOR|o]][[WP:N|n]] <small>([[User:Slgrandson|page]] - [[User talk:Slgrandson|messages]] - [[Special:Contributions/Slgrandson|contribs]])</small> 20:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
As part of the right to vanish we can rename you to something meaningless and remove redirects. See [[WP:CHU]] for renaming. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 23:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[WP:CHU]], you mean.  <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">[[User:x42bn6|<span style="font-weight: bold;">x42bn6</span>]] [[User_talk:x42bn6|Talk]]</span> 23:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

==High Speed Bot Editing==
A discussion that has involved in to having bot accounts edit at much increased rates (e.g. 3600 edits/hour) is taking place at [[Wikipedia:Bot_owners%27_noticeboard#Cydebot_Block]].  Comment is welcome there.  Thank you, — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] [[User_talk:Xaosflux|<sup style="color:#00FF00;">Talk</sup>]] 07:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

==Image question==
This is probably not the place to ask this type of question, but how do you scan an image from TV show or movie? I'd like to scan a few [[WP:FAIR USE|fair use]] screenshots for some film/TB articles. Incidentally, I looked into the rationales needed and policies. [[User:Aaron Bowen|Aaron Bowen]] 06:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:Your question probably would be better [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing|here]]. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 07:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks, I'll ask it there too. [[User:Aaron Bowen|Aaron Bowen]] 07:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

==Undo CSS change to smallcaps==
The CSS directive that controlled the size of text rendered in smallcaps was changed some while back.  This change needs to be reversed or at least modified.  It has resulted in text that is nearly illegible (and certainly crappy-looking) in Safari at default font and size ([http://www.well.com/~mech/temp/WP/WPSmallcaps1.jpg sample]).  At a blown-up font size, one can see that the smallcaps are much smaller than they should be, regardless what the scale of the base font size is ([http://www.well.com/~mech/temp/WP/WPSmallcaps2.jpg sample2]). — <span style="font-family:Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;</span>   <span style="color:#900;font-weight:bold;">‹(-¿-)›</span> 03:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Flag in userbox ==

{{resolved|[[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 17:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)}}
Hi.  On my page, [[User:The Behnam]], I want the Iranian flag to be small like the US flag.  How do I do that?  [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 16:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:I replaced "<nowiki>[[Image:Flag_of_Iran.svg|88px]]</nowiki>" with "<nowiki>[[Image:Flag_of_Iran.svg|40px]]</nowiki>" to reduce the size of the image. [[User talk:Tizio|Tizio]] 17:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::Makes sense.  [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 17:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::I actually wanted the userbox to stay the same height.  [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 17:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Done.  [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 17:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== SVG problem ==

:''question moved from village pump (policy)''

hi, I don't know where to ask about my svg promlem, so I hope to be allowed to ask in here. well, I created my first SVG image [[:Image:Pixel aspect ratio pixelseitenverhaeltnis ntsc480p pal576p hdtv720p hdtv1080p uhdv4320p by hdtvtotal com.svg]] and uploaded it into the commons, but in there, it doesn't look like I created it and like it looks onmy pc. what went wrong and how can I change it? thx in advance! --[[User:Andreas -horn- Hornig|Andreas -horn- Hornig]] 11:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

:Hello, three things:
:*I've moved your request here as being the more suitable forum
:*I've had a similar problem. The Wikimedia renderer that converts SVG into displayable graphics apparently cannot deal with text elements created as "flow text" in Inkscape. You need to change all text items from "flow text" to simple "text" elements. 
:*On a different note, you should fix the image description page on commons, it says something entirely unrelated to your graphics. 
:[[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 11:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

::hi, last thing first: aaahhh! thx, didn't notice that. I copy and pasted it from my previous upload. okay, I will do it right now. --[[User:Andreas -horn- Hornig|Andreas -horn- Hornig]] 11:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::so, done.
::now for the svg problem. I am using inkscape, but I am a real newbie in it. Do you know, where to change it from flow text to text, which button I have to push, or what parameters have to be changed in the xml editor? greets, --[[User:Andreas -horn- Hornig|Andreas -horn- Hornig]] 11:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:::In my German edition of Inkscape it's "text->Fließtext aufheben (Shift-Alt-W)". Contact me on my talkpage if you need further help (in German if you prefer.) And I really don't think you meant to be [[WP:NLT|suing]] Inkscape, right? ;-) [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 12:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::::hehee, nope, just scrabbled the word and mixed using to suing ;).okay, I will cantact you on your talkpage. cya, --[[User:Andreas -horn- Hornig|Andreas -horn- Hornig]] 12:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Special:Log/move]] ==

What ever happened to the (''Revert'') button that used to show up on the move log?--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 23:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:It apparenty [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialLog.php?view=log will] be back, whenever we scap up. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 07:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::"scap up"?  [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 23:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:::When the WikiMedia sites update the running copies of the software to svn (the working repository). '''[[User talk:Voice of All|<span style="color:blue;">Voice</span><span style="color:darkblue;">-of-</span><span style="color:black;">All</span>]]''' 15:51, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sidebar issues ==

After some recent updates to [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]], there are a few problems that I'd like to see fixed. I've written up an analysis at [[User:Mike Dillon/Sidebar]]. None of these issues are too critical, but I think they stem from an incomplete understanding of the way that the sidebar works. I put an {{tl|editprotected}} tag on [[MediaWiki talk:Interaction]] and made a note at [[MediaWiki talk:Sidebar]], but I was asked to post at the Village Pump for more input. From my perspective, the more involved fixes discussed at [[User:Mike Dillon/Sidebar]] don't really change anything critical for a normal user's experience, but they integrate better with the built-in handling of the sidebar. As far as user impact, I've detailed the few cases of users who would be impacted on my analysis page.

I'd prefer to discuss the changes at [[MediaWiki talk:Sidebar]], but feel free to respond to me wherever you think is appropriate. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 05:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== I hate to violate [[WP:BEANS]]... ==

Are any of the vandal bots running?  I've been seeing lots of vandalism having to be reverted manually today.  [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 01:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MartinBot MartinBot] was down for about three hours, but is now back.  It's beaten me to reverts a bunch of times in just the last ten minutes.  [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus ]] [[User_talk:Antandrus|(talk)]] 01:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Template pages displayed with data ==

I'm looking to make a template that will display a custom page when sent data - specifically to illustrate the position of a certain time in the geological time scale.
I've written [[Template:ShowMa|a template]] which will perform as I wish, and whilst I can include the template in a page, I hoped to be able to link a date using [[Template:Ma]] so that clicking on the year would take the user directly to a timeline with the specified year marked.
I've spoken to a couple of experienced editors who are unaware of a solution to this problem. Is there any way I can carry this out? 
(I hope I've explained what I want clearly enough...)

Many thanks, | ''[[User:Verisimilus|Verisimilus]]'' 21:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

:That does not seem possible. We would need [[m:Help:DynamicFunctions|#arg:]] - instead of ''including'' a page for given parameter values, this allows ''linking'' to a page for given parameter values.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 00:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== The Byte count feature (Page History / Contribs vs. RC / Watchlist) ==

Hi.  I've been wondering:  Recent Changes & my watchlist display those handy red or green numbers showing the net contribution of bytes an edit makes (+1 for adding a period; -20,000 for a big archiving; etc).  I think that info would be equally useful in specific page histories, on User Contributions pages, and even on diff pages.  Any reason that hasn't happened or can't happen?

I guess this could amount to a feature req for MediaWiki, but I clicked that link at the top of the page & couldn't make heads or tails of the site.  Plus I can't be the first person to bring this up.  Thanks, &mdash;[[User:Turangalila|<span style="font-family:'georgia'; color:darkgreen;">''Turangalila''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Turangalila|<span style="font-family:'georgia';">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

:It has been implemented but not yet activated, see [[bugzilla:1723]] and [[#Questions for Vandalism study]] above.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 13:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

::So, will it ever be activated? It sounds like it could come in handy. --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 13:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

:::It's a matter of when, not if. [[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion Vibber]] in [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2007-April/030849.html this] mailing list post has stated that it's not fully implemented on the Wikimedia servers. Part of the reason is, as stated, it's running in the background. ''[[User:Harryboyles|<b style="color:darkblue;">Harryboyles</b>]]'' 14:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd much rather see [[Wikipedia_talk:Automatic_edit_summaries#How_to_really_implement_this_feature|a short snippet of the diff]] itself than some meaningless numbers.  I think this would really help cut down on vandalism and make it a lot easier to go through our watchlists. — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 14:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Thanks for the updates.&mdash;[[User:Turangalila|<span style="font-family:'georgia'; color:darkgreen;">''Turangalila''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Turangalila|<span style="font-family:'georgia';">talk</span>]]</sup> 01:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Watchlist lag, again... ==

Anyone else experiencing a lag of about ten minutes?--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 15:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:VPT is on my watchlist, and your post here is showing on my watchlist at the moment (substantially less than 10 minutes after your post), so no for me. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 15:36, 18 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

== editing a redirect ==

I am wondering what the policy is on editing a redirected page? On the help topics it mentions when it is ok to create a redirect and gives technical assistance, but it wasn't clear when it was ok to change the page that is being redirected.  The specific instance is Swami Ramdas.  I want to add a biography of him, but when you enter in his name you are automatically redirected to a page talking about the ashram that he founded.  Is it acceptable to change that orignial page on Ramdas and expand on it, linking of course to the ashram somewhere in the text?
[[User:74.130.10.192|74.130.10.192]] 14:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)temp07
:Generally speaking, this is a perfectly acceptable thing to do, and even encouraged (the exception is in cases when the redirect was added because the subject isn't notable enough for an article; I don't know if that's the case here, because I'm unacquainted with the subject). You can edit a redirect by clicking on the 'redirected from' message near the top of the page. Hope that helps! --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 14:53, 18 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

== How frequently is the Wikipedia software updated? ==

Just cuirous. I noticed none of the changes that where [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-04-02/Technology report|anounced in the Signpost]] on April 2 where actualy "live" (yeah I know the page says they may not be implemented here yet). I'm just curious. That namespace selection option on whatlinkshere would be quite usefull just about now. Also why "tease" us with news of updates before they are actualy implemented on this Wiki. Those that are intetested in the state of the MediaWiki software in general are probably watching it's project page and/or the SVN tree rater than the enWiki signpost. Meh, anyway hurry up already ;-P --[[User:Sherool|Sherool]] <span style="font-size:75%">[[User talk:Sherool|(talk)]]</span> 08:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Usually the software stays pretty current with the fixes and feature additions coming live. However, recently a change was implemented in regards to having the "bytes changed per diff on recent changes and watchlists" feature implemented on all revisions that have been made. This required a change in the underlying database schema meaning all 128,000,000 or so revisions need to be updated. It's being done in the background so as not to disrupt the site. [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2007-April/030849.html This mailing post] by Brion Vibberis related to the change. ''[[User:Harryboyles|<b style="color:darkblue;">Harryboyles</b>]]'' 09:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Problem with [[Template:Ice Hockey Game]] ==

While we were using this template on [[2007 Stanley Cup Playoffs]], we noticed that there was a large gap being inserted just before the table created by this template.  After looking at the HTML that was generated, I realized that something was adding three paragraphs that contained a single line break each.  The resulting HTML looked like this:

<pre>
<p><br /></p>
<p><br /></p>
<p><br /></p>
<table...
</pre>

I asked [[User:Mecu]] and [[User:Nmajdan]] to look at it, but neither could find a reason for it. Both then suggested that I ask here.  The original of the template is [[Template:Ice Hockey Game|here]], though there is a sandbox with the code [[User:Z4ns4tsu/Sandbox4|here]] and another with test data [[User:Z4ns4tsu/Sandbox2|here]]. Previous discussions of the problem can be found [[User Talk:Z4ns4tsu#Re: Help Please|here]] and on the above mentioned user's talk pages. <font style="color:#1e90ff;font-weight:bold">[[User:Z4ns4tsu|z4ns4tsu]]</font>\<sup><font style="color:black;">[[User_talk:Z4ns4tsu|talk]]</font></sup> 21:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
: I think I fixed it. Let me know if there are any other problems. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 23:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::Perfect, thanks. <font style="color:#1e90ff;font-weight:bold">[[User:Z4ns4tsu|z4ns4tsu]]</font>\<sup><font style="color:black;">[[User_talk:Z4ns4tsu|talk]]</font></sup> 15:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Monobook scripts broken ==

Hey, my [[User:Pyrospirit/monobook.js|monobook.js]] just broke. I just made a few changes that I thought were purely formatting changes and wouldn't affect anything, but now none of my scripts work. Could someone take a look at the last few diffs and see what went wrong with the JavaScript? Thanks, <span style="font-family:Palatino linotype">[[User:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:#006600">Pyro</span>]][[User talk:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:#FF6600">spirit</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<sup><span style="color:#CC0000">Shiny!</span></sup>]]</span> 23:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:May I ask at what time you first noticed that it stopped working, for the benefit of other readers as well as myself?    It will probably help if you add your changes one at a time, rather than all at once, going by the look of the diff between the latest version and the one on April 13. When I had problems about a week ago, I took the chance to go through all my scripts and weed out the ones I wasn't happy with. Start with one script at a time and test it before adding the next one. This should quickly identify the offending script(s). ''[[User:Harryboyles|<b style="color:darkblue;">Harryboyles</b>]]'' 11:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

::I'll go back and redo the stuff one at a time. The last diff where it worked (which I just reverted to) was [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Pyrospirit/monobook.js&oldid=123239620 this one]. Anyway, if the problems persist, I'll ask again. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Palatino linotype">[[User:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:#006600">Pyro</span>]][[User talk:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:#FF6600">spirit</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<sup><span style="color:#CC0000">Shiny!</span></sup>]]</span> 15:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

It works just fine now, but I have another question. In my monobook.js, what is the difference between this:
<pre><nowiki>
importScript('User:Example/examplescript.js');
</nowiki></pre>
and this:
<pre><nowiki>
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="'
             + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Example/examplescript.js'
             + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
</nowiki></pre>
Also, in the second example, do spaces at the beginning of the line change anything? <span style="font-family:Palatino linotype">[[User:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:#006600">Pyro</span>]][[User talk:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:#FF6600">spirit</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<sup><span style="color:#CC0000">Shiny!</span></sup>]]</span> 15:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:They both do the same thing, but the former calls a function that {{user|AzaToth}} wrote (you can see it at [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]) to make the code a bit cleaner... [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 00:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::The spaces at the beginning are purely formatting. The interpreter uses the ; character to determine the end of a statement. ''[[User:Harryboyles|<b style="color:darkblue;">Harryboyles</b>]]'' 09:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks. <span style="font-family:Palatino linotype">[[User:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:#006600">Pyro</span>]][[User talk:Pyrospirit|<span style="color:#FF6600">spirit</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<sup><span style="color:#CC0000">Shiny!</span></sup>]]</span> 13:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Little bug on a page? ==

[[Millions]]...

At the very end of the article, it seems to have an indelible "l".  It won't go away as far as I can tell.  Just a minor little thing, of course, but it's just odd.  Anyone know what's up? [[User:Vordabois|Vordabois]] 02:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
:Fixed. Stray character in a category link.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Millions&diff=123990417&oldid=120946915] [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 02:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strange image behavior ==

According to the Mediawiki software, this image does not exist: [[:Image:Willie-Wagtail-thumb.jpg]]. It has no history, no description, and the "image" link is red. Pretty strange, huh. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] <sup>([[User talk:Remember the dot|talk]])</sup> 02:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

: There's no point in worrying about fixed bugs. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 03:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

::Out of curiosity, could I see the information about this bug and when it was fixed? —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] <sup>([[User talk:Remember the dot|talk]])</sup> 03:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Alignment problem ==

Hi. I've put a few userboxes on my user page, however, one of them refuses to align right along with the others. Can anyone tell me what the problem is?? Thanks. [[User:Pandora|Pandora]] 20:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Limiting the TOC display level ==

''This is copied here from [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Limiting the TOC display level]] to make sure that anyone with objections can voice them; please reply to this comment there.''

Sometimes, it's desired to remove very-low-level section headings from the TOC. (This could be useful in some project pages with low-level subheadings used for edit-section purposes; there are probably list-like articles that would benefit (e.g. ones which have a long list of sections each corresponding to a different country, and this sort of thing would also allow section headers to be used at RfA without noinclude tricks). The code to do this would be
 .toclimit-2 .toclevel-2 {display:none;}
 .toclimit-3 .toclevel-3 {display:none;}
 .toclimit-4 .toclevel-4 {display:none;}
 .toclimit-5 .toclevel-5 {display:none;}
 .toclimit-6 .toclevel-6 {display:none;}
 .toclimit-7 .toclevel-7 {display:none;}
(I have tested this in my own userspace, and it validates according to W3C); it would allow
 <nowiki><div class="toclimit-3">__TOC__</div></nowiki>
to remove any headings below level 3 (assuming level 1 headings aren't used, which they shouldn't be on most pages), etc. Does anyone object to me making this change? --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 14:04, 18 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

:Seems like a good idea to me, and as long as it doesn't break anything, I don't see any problems. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 14:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::Sounds good to me, so long as it's only used in mainspace sparingly (if at all). Yet another CSS class doesn't affect anything that currently exists in the wiki. Although, I'm not that fond of having both classes toclimit-x and toclevel-x. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]][[User talk:Gracenotes|<sup style="color:#960;">T</sup>]] § 20:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== "restore this version" ==

Am I the only one whose "restore this version" javascript is missing form "differences between revisions" because it was there a couple of days ago but now its gone and it has only dissappeared for Mozilla Firefox...--<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:small;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">[[User talk:Cometstyles|Cometstyles]]</span> 15:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

:Thats impossible. Even I using Firefox but it works perfect for me. --[[User:Lahiru_k|<font color="blue">'''♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪'''</font>]] [[User talk:Lahiru_k|<span style="color:blue;"><sup>walkie-talkie</sup></span>]] 16:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
::To be fair, most automated reversion tools are written specifically for Firefox or other non-IE browsers, so there are a number of instances of features not working on IE, but working for everyone else--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 16:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually its hasnt disappeared from IE but I dont use IE because its too slow..--<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:small;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">[[User talk:Cometstyles|Cometstyles]]</span> 18:20, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Weird page history ==

See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Vladimir_Voronin&action=history page history] for [[Vladimir Voronin]]:
*18:55, 19 April 2007 VoABot II (Talk | contribs) m ('''7,843 bytes''') (BOT - Reverted edits by H.olesea {vandalism} to revision #124091879 by "Indon".)
*18:54, 19 April 2007 H.olesea (Talk | contribs) ('''7,934 bytes''') (→Main goals of political agenda)
*18:38, 19 April 2007 Indon (Talk | contribs) m ('''7,843 bytes''') (Reverted 1 edit by H.olesea identified as vandalism to last revision by MaxSem.)
*18:38, 19 April 2007 H.olesea (Talk | contribs) ('''8,468 bytes''')
*18:20, 19 April 2007 MaxSem (Talk | contribs) m ('''7,843 bytes''') (rvv)
*18:17, 19 April 2007 H.olesea (Talk | contribs) ('''7,957 bytes''') (→Main goals of political agenda)
Number of changed bytes is different for every vandalism and its reversion, though diffs show that the reversions were correct. What's wrong? [[User:MaxSem|Max<span style="font-size:large;">''S''</span>em]] 15:20, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
:It's 7,843 bytes all 3 times, maybe you're looking at the wrong numbers? [[User:Alex Smotrov|Alex Smotrov]] 15:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
:Added: the numbers show the articles sizes. Don't confuse them with numbers in Recent Changes and Watchlist (those have + or - in front). [[User:Alex Smotrov|Alex Smotrov]] 15:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, my fault. [[User:MaxSem|Max<span style="font-size:large;">''S''</span>em]] 15:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-list]] ==

Could someone take a look at this page? I've been trying to add {{T1|Schoolblock}} and {{T1|Anonblock}} to the list of standard block descriptions. I'm running into trouble, though, because the templates are transcluding onto [[Special:Blockip]]. Thanks! [[User:Alphachimp|<span style="color:MidnightBlue">'''alphachimp'''</span>]] 14:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Search for Contributions ==

How long has that "search for contributions" box been up on contributions pages? I don't think I've seen it before this morning. Is it some kind of new feature? --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 13:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
:And now we have the amounts of bytes showing in the page histories? Did we get an upgrade or something? --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 13:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

::We are often upgraded, we have expiries on protected pages now too. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 13:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
:::See below :) ''[[User:Harryboyles|<b style="color:darkblue;">Harryboyles</b>]]'' 14:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Bot Approvals Group "election" ==

{{userlinks|ST47}} is seeking admittance to the [[WP:BAG|Bot Approvals Group]]. Comments are welcome at [[Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Approvals_group#Nomination.2FRequest.2FVote.2F.21Vote.2FDiscussion.2F.21Discussion.2F.28.5Cw.2B.29_for_ST47]]. --[[User:Kingboyk|kingboyk]] 12:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Article patent_troll links to notes incorrect:1->2, 2->3, 20->22 etc ==

When you click a note, the page should scroll so that the note is at the very top of your browser window, and it should also be highlighted.
In article Patent_troll a higher-numbered link is the one that gets highlighted at the top.

Does anyone else get this on this article or elsewhere?

:Works fine for me. [[User talk:Tizio|Tizio]] 15:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== query page protection ==

Is there any way to determine the protection status of a page without screen scraping? [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 12:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Right now, the current api appears not to offer such feature. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 13:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::query.php can determine whether the currently logged-in user ''can edit'' a page: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/query.php?what=permissions&titles=Main_Page]. However, this information is kind-of useless if you happen to be an admin (a bot might find it more useful). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 13:14, 18 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:::I was afraid of that. I can get around the admin problem, but what I really want is to query the date that protection was placed and the date it expires. Special:Export doesn't seem to include it and neither does query.php. Too bad. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 13:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::::This feature has been requested at [[meta:Talk:API#Protected pages]], but the programmer who maintains API has not been very active recently. [[User talk:Tizio|Tizio]] 14:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Special:Randomredirect/Image ==

Why does clicking [[Special:Randomredirect/Image]] sometimes lead me to the [[Main Page]], of all pages? Is it my browser, or is MediaWiki doing something funny? :-) On average when I hit [[Special:Randomredirect/Image]] ten times, it will bring me to the Main Page at least once. Go figure... <span class="user-sig user-Resurgent-insurgent"><i>&mdash;[[User:Resurgent insurgent|Resurgent insurgent]] <small>[[2007-04-14]]&nbsp;12:05[[ISO 8601|Z]]</small></i></span>

:It just happened to me as well, so I'm inclined to believe that it's MediaWiki doing something funny, and not your browser. I'm running Firefox 2.0.0.3 on Windows XP SP2. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 12:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::I just got it for the first time on [[Special:Randomredirect/Category]] as well. Still have no idea why. <span class="user-sig user-Resurgent-insurgent"><i>&mdash;[[User:Resurgent insurgent|Resurgent insurgent]] <small>[[2007-04-14]]&nbsp;12:50[[ISO 8601|Z]]</small></i></span>

:::"''It's not a bug, it's a feature!''" [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialRandomredirect.php?view=co]
  # Catch dud titles and return to the main page
  if( is_null( $title ) )
  $title = Title::newMainPage();
:::So, why is [[Special:Randomredirect]] returning null titles? --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 07:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

'''Followup''': At test.wikipedia I set up 9 redirects in a previously-redirect-free namespace ("Help:") with the following properties:
*1-3: Normal
*4: interwiki (''Meta:'')
*5: null (''<nowiki>#REDIRECT:[[]]</nowiki>'')
*6: special (''Special:'')
*7: loopback (self)
*8: red page (MediaWiki:Blahblah)
*9: multiline (category on second line)

After, I clicked [[Special:Randomredirect/Help]] about a hundred times, and #5 and #9 above never came up (but I did get a lot of vists to the Main Page). #5 is no surprise, but #9 is odd. I would hazard to guess then that the title parsing in this Special: page is not intelligent enough to handle multiline redirects? --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]])

:Actually, what's happening is that Special:Random and Special:Randomredirect will send you to the Main Page if they happen to pick a random number that's higher than the page_random value of any otherwise applicable page in the database.  The average frequency (over all possible choices of the page_random values) at which this will happen is one in N+1, where N is the number of applicable pages in the chosen namespace, so for namespaces with few pages/redirects this will tend to happen fairly often.  I've just [[rev:21366|fixed this in SVN]] as part of a general restructuring of the code, so this should hopefully stop happening soon.  —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 10:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)