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== Any way to change the date format? ==
When pressing the "today" button in the "access date" field (and other date fields), the tool defaults to the ''yyyy-mm-dd'' format. Is there a way to switch to other formats acceptable under [[MOS:DATE]], such as mdy or dmy dates? [[User talk:Feminist|feminist]] ([[User talk:Feminist#top|talk]]) 07:09, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Feminist}} There's no way to do so yet, but I created [[phab:T248050]] to track this issue and will try to implement it eventually. [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 04:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, I'd definitely like this to be implemented as well. I hate it when Wikipedians using ProveIt disregard an article's preferred date format template and continue to change all dates in references into the ''yyyy-mm-dd'' format. [[User:Happily888|Happily888]] ([[User talk:Happily888|talk]]) 04:04, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
:::Almost two years later, any progress? <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 06:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

== Citing YouTube videos ==
When citing YouTube videos (per [[WP:PRIMARYCARE]]), "[[YouTube]]" should be in the "website" or "work" section, ''not'' the "via" section. "Via" is how the source was created, while "website" and "work" are self-explanatory. An example of "via" would be [[Gale (publisher)|Gale]]; Gale has the ability to export citations, so when they're imported to Wikipedia, they should say "via Gale". An example of a website or work would be [[Fox News]]; Fox News is a website, where the content was published, so it should say "''Fox News''". I'm explaining all of this because [[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]]{{hidden ping|Walter Görlitz}} used ProveIt to move "YouTube" to the "via" section in citations to [[Steve Terreberry]]. [[User:L33tm4n|L33tm4n]] ([[User talk:L33tm4n|talk]]) 01:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|L33tm4n}} No, I did not use ProveIt to move "YouTube" to the "via", that is the correct place for it to be placed. YouTube is not the source. YouTube is a self-publishing platform and not the publisher itself. [[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 02:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Walter Görlitz}} (Tag: ProveIt edit) – This is the tag that's used in one of your edits, "I'm going to fix this again, please don't break it again.- Reference edited with ProveIt, Script-assisted fixes: per CS1 and MOS:ITALICS". Also, the "publisher" section is not for the website itself, but rather the publisher of the website. Plus, if it's a self-publishing platform, it can go in the "website" or "work" section (YouTube is a website), and it won't need a publisher name next to it. And like I said before, "via" is how the source was created, not for the name of the website; [[Twitter]] created a proper method of citing tweets, so they include "via Twitter" in citations of tweets. [[User:L33tm4n|L33tm4n]] ([[User talk:L33tm4n|talk]]) 12:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
::: Your statements about my actions are correct. Your statements about how YouTube should be listed in a reference are not. YouTube should in the <code>via=</code> parameter. This tool correctly moves it there. While it is a website, that is not the correct parameter. It is most certainly not a work. You should be raising this as a question at a citation template not demanding a change from this tool or from me. [[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 16:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
:::: In fact, now that I have had a bit of time I looked at [[:Template:Cite web]]. The <code>via=</code> parameter states that it should be used for the "name of the entity hosting the original copy of the work, if different from the publisher." It then lists YouTube as valid use here. The problem that the subject in your example is also the publisher (a self-published work) which is why I nominated the article for deletion so long ago. [[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 23:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
::::: {{re|Walter Görlitz}} But we're using [[:Template:Cite AV media]], not [[:Template:Cite web]]. I'm using a paragraph explaining "via" to prove my earlier point, "Name of the content deliverer (if ''different'' from '''publisher'''). '''via''' is not a replacement for '''publisher''', but provides additional detail. It may be used when the content deliverer presents the source in a format other than the original (e.g. [[NewsBank]]), when the URL provided does not make clear the identity of the deliverer, where no URL or DOI is available (EBSCO), or if the deliverer requests attribution."
::::: "'''via''' is not a replacement for '''publisher''', but provides additional detail." – YouTube is the name of the publisher. Also, what you're failing to acknowledge is the en-dash separating "via" in the same sentence as the retrieval date; because of this, we can conclude that "via" is how the source was retrieved, not the name of the website/publisher. [[User:L33tm4n|L33tm4n]] ([[User talk:L33tm4n|talk]]) 01:15, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
:::::: And that's the wrong template even for that. That template is for physical media such as vinyl recordings, DVDs, etc. At best you should be using {{tl|cite web}} for YouTube videos. Regardless, {{tl|Cite AV media}} has the same criteria: via: name of the content deliverer. In short, Terreberry is the publisher, not YouTube. It does not matter one bit which template you use, the works are self-published and YouTube is simply the way the publisher is pushing the content to the planet.
:::::: PRIMARYCARE makes no claim to support your position. No template supports it. YouTube is not publishing anything, they are simply a medium that others use to publish works. Whenever YouTube is encountered as a source, it should be in the <code>via=</code> parameter. [[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 01:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Sophivorus}}, ProveIt does not show the via parameter when you open {{tl|Cite AV media}}, even though that is what must be used for YouTube videos. Can something be done about it? <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 10:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Kailash29792|Kailash29792]] Hi! I just added basic template data documentation for the "via" parameter ([[Special:Diff/1086976624|diff]]). It should start appearing in ProveIt in the next few hours (due to cache delays). Feel free to improve the documentation as you see fit! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 15:16, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Small bug ==
I noticed that this gadget attempted to change {{para|author}} into {{para|last}} and {{para|contribution}} into {{para|chapter}}. Per the documentation at {{tl|cite book}}, these are not precisely the same. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 08:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

:I've run into the problem with {{para|contrbution}} and {{para|chapter}}, as well. Writing the foreword or introduction to another author's book calls for {{para|contribution}}; writing a chapter in an edited work calls for {{para|chapter}}. The two are definitely not the same and ProveIt should not make that substitution as {{para|contributor}} and its related parameters require {{para|contribution}} to be present, not {{para|chapter}}.
:<span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]]</span>; [[User talk:Xenophore|talk]]</span> 06:39, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Sdkb|Sdkb]] @[[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]] According to [[Template:Cite book/TemplateData]], "author" is an alias of "last" and "contribution" is an alias of "chapter". If they aren't, just mend the template data and ProveIt (and the visual editor) will stop treating them as such. [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 11:24, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
:::If proveit is renaming-parameters-just-to-rename-parameters, it should stop doing that.  cs1|2 aliases are there primarily for user convenience, context, and semantics; {{para|author|Jon Smyth}} is not the same as {{para|last|Jon Smyth}} so changing the former to the latter is semantically incorrect and proveit should not make that kind of a change.  An author's 'contribution' to an edited work may be stated in {{para|contribution}} or in {{para|chapter}} or in {{para|entry}} or in {{para|article}} or in {{para|section}}; the choice of which of these to use is the prerogative of the en.wiki editor who writes the citation; proveit should not arbitrarily override the en.wiki editor's choice of parameter name.  In the specific case of {{para|contributor}} and {{para|contribution}} the former requires the latter so proveit renaming-parameters-just-to-rename-parameters breaks these citations.
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:::I suspect that this-parameter-requires-this-other-parameter is not functionality supported by templatedata.  If it does not, then it is proveit that needs fixing (which is not to say that templatedata shouldn't also be fixed...).
:::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:24, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
::ProveIt is still causing this error: <nowiki>{{cite book}}: |contributor= requires |contribution= (help)</nowiki><br /><span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]]</span>; [[User talk:Xenophore|talk]]</span> 06:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::ProveIt is also breaking {{tl|cite av media}} but needlessly changing {{para|people}} into {{para|last}}. This causes a CS1 error when multiple people have been listed in the {{para|people}} parameter as {{tl|cite av media}} allows.{{br}}<span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]]</span>; [[User talk:Xenophore|talk]]</span> 06:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]] Hi! I just changed [[Template:Cite AV media/doc#TemplateData]] so that "people" is no longer considered an alias of "last" (the cache may take a few minutes to catch up). As to the problem with "contributor", I don't quite understand it, but can you try to fix it yourself by improving [[Template:Cite book/TemplateData]]? Kind regards, [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 17:44, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
::::At first glance (literally, my first look at TemplateData of any kind), there is something strange in the notes as it says, "For the contribution alias, see contributor-last", but "contributor-last" is never mentioned on the page. I don't know why "contribution" is mentioned as an alias of "chapter as it functions entirely differently than "chapter" does. It really functions more like "others" than it does "chapter" except that it must be paired with "contributor" or its component parts "contributor-last" and "contributor-first". In the long run, it could be that "contribution" and "contributor" should just be folded into "others" or vice versa. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]]</span>; [[User talk:Xenophore|talk]]</span> 18:47, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== Yes please keep helping me in prove my page I allso need spell check much guid ==
Yes thank you for all the help that you are putting in to protecting and building me a good platform I need much guidance and and also a little warning more about trickery thank you I don't know what is Google platform of showing me when they pop in how do I stop them popping in or how do I know what is trickery and what ain't [[Special:Contributions/172.58.99.242|172.58.99.242]] ([[User talk:172.58.99.242|talk]]) 06:29, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

== adding names to list of ProveIt users might be broken ==
I don't feel any need to be included in the category of ProveIt users, but I thought I'd let someone know that I've had the template on my user page for years and for whatever reason the code never picked up my name, which makes me wonder how many other users there might be, in addition to those who were listed in the category?   I love the tool!  Wish more people used it. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy|talk]]) 18:03, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] Hi! The issue is that your user page redirects to your talk page, and the ProveIt userbox, like all other userboxes, only categorizes user pages. If you look, you'll notice that your other userboxes aren't categorizing you either. You can either create a user page distinct from your talk page, or keep your user page as a redirect but move your userboxes there, or forget all about this. Cheers! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 00:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah that makes sense.  Glad its not broke.  I'll just leave things like they are, thanks for getting back to me. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy|talk]]) 00:46, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Apostrophes in ref names ==
I frequently use the <code>Normalize references</code> feature, and for a while now I have been noticing that ProveIt has a problem with apostrophes in [[WP:REFNAME|named references]]. Basically, if a ref name contains an apostrophe, for example {{tq|<ref name="T'Challa">}}, hitting <code>Normalize references</code> will inadvertently convert it to {{tq|<ref name="T">}}, omitting any text after the {{tq|'}}. Does anyone know how to fix this? [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 05:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] Thanks for noticing, the problematic line is at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-ProveIt.js#L-1416 I can't find the right way to fix it yet, but maybe someone else does? [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 18:07, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
::This could be fixed using this regex: <code> <\s*ref[^n]*name\s*=\s*(["'])((?:(?!\1).)*)\1?[^>]*> </code> but the match goes to the second group, so the other line has to be: <code>return match[ 2 ];</code>, the explanation can be found [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8055727/negating-a-backreference-in-regular-expressions here] —[[User:Arthurfragoso|Arthurfragoso]] ([[User talk:Arthurfragoso|talk]]) 14:44, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Arthurfragoso|Arthurfragoso]] Thanks! I tested your regex and it works fine ''except'' for cases where there's neither single nor double quotes, e.g. {{tq|<ref name=Foo>}} which are valid and fairly common. I couldn't quite understand or fix your regex but if you're able to do so I'll be more than happy to deploy it, cheers! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 13:36, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Sophivorus}} First I found this solution: <code><\s*ref[^n]*name\s*=\s*(["'])?((?:(?!\1\W\D).)*)\1?[^>]*></code> It is short and clean, but it would not work for non-roman characters. Maybe there could be a way using [https://www.regular-expressions.info/conditional.html conditionals in regex] but I just ended up doing another way: <code><\s*ref[^n]*name\s*=\s*(?:(?:(["'])((?:(?!\1).)*)\1)|([^\s>]*))[^>]*></code>, when it has apostrophes it will be in group 2, when it does not, it will be in group 3. (so you can use <code>return match[2] || match[3];</code> This regex will also work nice with <code><ref name=a group=b></code>, but not <code><ref name= group=b></code>. Also note that it will match with <code><ref name=""></code> and <code><ref name=></code> but not with <code><ref></code>. —[[User:Arthurfragoso|Arthurfragoso]] ([[User talk:Arthurfragoso|talk]]) 22:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Arthurfragoso|Arthurfragoso]] I agree, the solution must be some kind of conditional, but for readability, I did it in JavaScript rather than regexes (see [[c:MediaWiki:Gadget-ProveIt.js#L-1433|here]]). @[[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] This should solve the issue with names like "T'Challa". Thanks for the report! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 00:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::{{re|Sophivorus|Arthurfragoso}} That is fantastic news, thank you both for fixing this! [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 02:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Update button not working ==
But ''add ref'' and ''normalize'' buttons still do. What is going on? <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 06:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Kailash29792|Kailash29792]] Just did a test and all works fine for me. Is this bug still happening to you, or was it a temporary thing? Cheers! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 16:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
::Just tried and it worked. Maybe it ''was'' a temporary glitch. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 17:40, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Nope {{U|Sophivorus}}. [[Special:Diff/1100485768|Check this out]]. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 04:58, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Kailash29792|Kailash29792]] That's disturbing... however I tried to reproduce it and the ref name updated fine. Have you identified steps that will reproduce the issue?? [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 12:08, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::Now the gadget's working absolutely fine, thank you Sophivorus. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 04:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

== Disable automatic summary ==
Is there a way to disable the automatic change to the edit summary?  It [[Special:Diff/1106734225 |breaks sometimes]] (It actually breaks a lot, I just missed it on this particular case).  I've [[Special:Diff/1106816095|attempted to set the configuration option]] but that doesn't change anything, perhaps because it's a gadget now?  ~ [[User:Matthewrb | <span style="color:#5e0231;">Matthewrb</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Matthewrb | <span style="color:#e6af4b;">Talk to me</span>]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Matthewrb | <span style="color:#111eb8;">Changes I've made</span>]]</sup> 16:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matthewrb|Matthewrb]] Hi, thanks for the report. Unfortunately disabling stuff from your common.js is not really possible right now because the gadget loads ''after'' your common.js. However, I simplified the logic of the gadget so that now it only adds a summary if there's no current summary. Hopefully, it shouldn't cause more trouble (the new version may take some minutes or hours to get through the cache). Cheers! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 18:44, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] Awesome, that will help a lot!  Thank you so much. ~ [[User:Matthewrb | <span style="color:#5e0231;">Matthewrb</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Matthewrb | <span style="color:#e6af4b;">Talk to me</span>]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Matthewrb | <span style="color:#111eb8;">Changes I've made</span>]]</sup> 18:51, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

== PMC and last name/first name loading ==

Hi, first off just wanted to say thanks for making this awesome gadget.  I noticed two things though that might be helpful.  First off, if loading from doi, the PMC parameter will be filled with the correct PMC number but will have PMC appended to the front of it.  So if PMC ID is 5687451, then loading by doi will fill the PMC parameter with PMC5687451 (which will cause a minor maintenance error and the PMC external link won't work).  If loading by PMID, everything works fine.  But if you try loading by PMC ID number alone, it'll load data from the paper with that PMID; so with the previous example where PMC is 5687451, if you try to load based off that, it'll actually populate with the data from the paper whose [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/5687451/ PMID is 5687451].  But if you punch in "PMC5687451", it'll load everything correctly, including PMC lol.

The other thing is the first name and last name parameter.  If filling in the last name and first name parameter, it'll fill last= and first=.  I've seen some bots go about tidying that up by changing it to last1= and first1=.  All the subsequent fields work fine so if I manually filled in Last Name 2 with "Smith" in ProveIt, it'll be entered in wikitext as last2=Smith.  I'm not entirely sure if it's a problem or not but just wanted to bring it up.  Thanks again!! [[User:Jasonkwe|Jasonkwe]] ([[User talk:Jasonkwe|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Jasonkwe|contribs]]) 01:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

== Website error ==

Hello! Thanks for such a useful tool on this site. One site I frequently use with ProveIt is [https://www.sports-reference.com/]. The site errors out now with the tool and it requires manual edits. What is odd that the same network has a site called Pro-Football-Reference.com, which works fine. Just wanted to see if anything could be done. Thanks. [[User:Red Director|Red Director]] ([[User talk:Red Director|talk]]) 18:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)