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== Implementing new ideas: Guides, new collaboration, visual makeover ==

Apologizes for making another big discussion when I just created a new one above, but I wanted to add more upon our implementation of the draft proposal by [[User:Adog|Adog]] regarding the future of WikiProject Amusement Parks. If you got pinged for the discussion above, that would also be my invitation to this discussion as well, and I hope you all can comment on implementation of the following ideas:

=== New ideas + implement: Guides ===
{{See also|#Reliable source discussion|#Assessing notability}}
Some of our biggest focuses from the draft proposal were assessing notability and reliable sources. Once we've reached consensus for the reliable source discussion, I believe we should create a set of guides for assessing notability and reliable sources. The list of reliable sources one is [[User:Harobouri/APARKS RS draft|in user space currently]]. 

Our current guide found at [[WP:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Standards]] is a <s>content</s> <s>style</s> content guide only and does not mention notability or reliable sources. This is why I'm now suggesting one guide about notability and one guide about the list of reliable sources, or having one for both. As mentioned before, the list of reliable sources is in progress, and you may see the current draft in user space or talk about it in #RSD. 

My idea for a notability guide would be addressing sources like press releases and how just because a roller coaster is on RCDB doesn't mean it warrants an article. If you have more ideas, that would be great! [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 19:29, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

:All of the points provided I agree with and support further discourse. Notability may be merged as a new section within the Standards tab, with the reliable sources its own tab. I like the look of the table and section splits you have in the sandbox. For sources, [[User:JlACEer|JlACEer]], [[User:Garuda3|Gaurda3]], and [[User:DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast|DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast]] are already providing good points on the validity of enthusiast-news orgs, and what we should pay attention to.
:I think one of the unwritten notability rules we have is that new articles should generally not be created until significant construction ''and'' coverage is already in place. Whether that is or is not accurate, I think it is a good rule of thumb. A one-off announcement at the IAAPA Expo would and should not be enough. It also gives wiggle room for possible projects that are anticipated to be notable, that could fall through and not be notable after all. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 05:34, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah, we don't have a lot of notability rules, in my opinion, so I'm planning having reliable sources located [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Sources|here]], and its [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Sources|talk page as a noticeboard]]. I see a lot of articles being created once a theme park has officially announced it, which is good because it gives news sources to report on it, giving it significant coverage overtime. 
::Some things I've noticed is that there's three to six significant coverage events in a 21st century roller coaster/ride's lifetime to prove notability, and a ride should probably meet four of these criteria. The first is '''pre-announcement/teasers''', the development process. The second is '''official announcement''', the time where the park confirms with no basis on speculation or leaks. The third is '''construction''', such as the time where ride goes vertical, etc. 3.5 is when ride trains are talked more about at something like IAAPA expo. The fourth is '''grand opening and reviews''', this is the most important event in coverage (imo) as there will be a lot of media, especially if the ride is record-breaking. The fifth is '''incidents that occur''', something we don't want to think about, and the last is '''imminent closure''', something that is disappointing to many of us roller coaster enthusiasts. A rule in Notability could be ''"If creating an article on an existing ride then a ride should fulfill three - four of these criteria."'' Iffy about future ride articles.
::"Leaks" of documents {{Abbr|def|definitely (because Harobouri can't spell)}}. should ''NEVER'' be used as a reliable source or notability, even if news outlets have reported on it, because it just violates [[WP:NOT|what Wikipedia isn't]]. I've seen Fandom sites do this (nothing against them because I've done this on Fandom too) and the naming is like "2022 unannounced Fiesta Texas roller coaster" so we should not do that (something worth mentioning in notability, but I feel like I just went off topic). I also {{Abbr|def|definitely (because Harobouri can't spell)}}. agree about the one-off announcements.
::If I went off topic please LMK. --[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 13:04, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:::I've created a Notability draft here: [[User:Harobouri/APARKS RS draft/AParks N Draft]]. --[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 13:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
::I'd approve of this notability criteria staging. I would say fulfill two to three of the requirements, as likely it would have notability with the combination of any of those factors; four might be a reach. I theorize, as with the assumption, "Construction" and "Announcement" are the most important factors for upcoming attraction/park for new articles. Without an announcement, construction taking place is likely just speculation. Without construction, it's either a rumor or nothing yet, or something could happen to derail it. This establishes the WP:APARKS equivalent of [[WP:TOOSOON]]. I would like to hear what other editors think. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 14:43, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Hey, I'm currently working on the draft and discovered something. Let's use the ride [[Mardi Gras Hangover]] as an example. If the ride has been announced and covered significantly in multiple reliable sources, but a name for the ride has not been revealed, what would the article name be? Mardi Gras Hangover was not named until {{Abbr|[[Valentine's Day]]|February 14}} 2018. Before then, it was just advertised as "World's Largest Loop Coaster," so would it be named that, would the article not be named or did I just forgot to read a certain guide. Thanks! -- [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:APARKS]]) </small>  23:29, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
::::In film, we wait until the film enters production to create the article. If the title hasn't been revealed yet, then we would call the article something like, "Untitled fourth Matrix film" as was decided [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Matrix_Resurrections/Archive_1#Requested_move_31_January_2021 here]. For roller coasters, I'm not sure we need to go to such great lengths in creating the article once construction starts. To me, it would be satisfactory just to have everything documented/cited in the main amusement park article until a name is released. Just my 2¢! --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 19:05, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' – A few things to keep in mind about ''notability''. First, you may find comments at [[WT:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Archive 2#Standards policy|the last stalled discussion]] useful. Even junior roller coasters, small flat rides, and other minor attractions will get press coverage. Almost every new attraction will generate some kind of publicity, but years later when it gets removed, there's hardly a blip in verifiable news: comes in with a bang, leaves without a whisper. Editors can be left scrambling for updated park maps and attraction lists at the park's main web page, making removal difficult. So as we contemplate the WikiProject's recommendations for inclusion, we'll need a set of criteria that takes smaller, insignificant rides into account. Many of those should not have dedicated articles for obvious reasons, and some may not even warrant a mention within the park's main article. And despite any well-intentioned efforts here, nothing we suggest would override [[WP:GNG]] and [[WP:V]], especially [[WP:ONUS]], when it comes to inclusion. The key will be for editors to determine if an attraction has ''enduring historical significance'', a concept that may mean different things to different editors. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 21:26, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Implement: New collaboration and exposure ===
{{See also|#Long-term drives|#Member participation and involvement}}

As brought up in the DP by Adog, we should make use of both our current barn star awards and end Operation B&M, creating a new collaboration. Our new collaboration could be something about de-stubifying articles because those are our current barnstars? Not really sure. If you have any ideas on that topic, please absolutely feel free to drop comments.

Additionally, it was agreed that in Member participation and involvement that we should bring more editors and activity towards Amusement Parks. Points A (welcoming committee for new members) and C (APARKS [[Hall of Fame|HoF]]) could definitely be done, and it could encourage new editors and those new to this WikiProject to edit more about our topic like how [[User:HotMess|HotMess]] mentioned. Elaborating more on point C, maybe we could have a nomination page and members could agree/disagree? Not entirely sure. No comment on B (Newsletter revival) and D (WL) for now. [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 19:29, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

:De-stubifying could be a good starting point. We may also change the objective meaning of one of our barnstars (thinking  The Coaster Barnstar), as two out of three pertain to destubing articles. Other topics worth exploring to collaborate could include promoting certain sets of articles to better quality, such as theme park operators and their parks, different roller coaster manufacturers, important roller coaster figures, a type of roller coasters, general roller coaster pages.
:For A and C, would definitely pursue further. [[User:HotMess|HotMess]] did make a userbox which I thought was very inclusive and fun for roller coaster junkies/enthusiasts. Maybe making more templates or ads could help? Definitely posting a talk page welcome could encourage new editors. I would like to know what others have in mind. For HoF, I would agree with the idea of a nomination and criteria that would encourage long-term participation, such as being active for x-amount of time in the project, promoting x-amount of articles to [[WP:GA]] or [[WP:FA]], actively monitoring existing articles, and/or providing valuable information for others (possibly more or less).
:For B, we could possibly do a test run with more editors. For D, I am currently working on an unconventional, non-comprehensive [[User:Adog/sandbox2|research guide in my sandbox]] that I would encourage others to add to, edit, or remove information. I am using personal methods to add to this research guide, maybe sharing our ways of researching can benefit each other and ourselves? [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 05:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
::The Coaster Barnstar has been awarded to around three people, so a change of objective for that barnstar wouldn't hurt anyone badly. Your collaboration idea is really great actually, and I think it's do-able. Thinking about the names for collaboration is really fun too, like ''Six Flags Trimester'' or ''Bi-Giga'', but I'm not creative with naming so... 
::More userboxes would also be helpful in bringing others ''toward'' this WikiProject as well. I know somewhere out there there's of roller coaster enthusiasts or theme park connoisseur editors, experienced or new. Welcoming new members would be giving them motivation and encouragement! Let's also not forget quicklinks!! 
::We {{Abbr|def|definitely (Harobouri can't spell and had to copy and paste this)}}. should recruit more editors and active contributors first before we revive into becoming one of [[Template:Newsletters|the few active WikiProject newsletters]]. The research guide is a must and we should not throw that idea out! If we had that back in May 2022 when I joined this WikiProject, I think it would help me avoid the mistakes I made, but again, we should all learn from mistakes. I think sharing our methods (and crediting ourselves through fun, quirky names) would make new members feel included! --[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 12:47, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:I've had an idea that might help to hook some more people in.
:Probably a 'nice work!'/'participation award' or something. Basically, if someone who isn't in the WikiProject makes a nice contribution/is doing good work on an Amusement Parks article, maybe drop them a 'hey you're doing good work, wanna join our <s>cult</s> WikiProject?'-style award on their talk page, to entice them in to find out more, and maybe even join <s>and then ascend beyond the ranks of the un-initiated {{abbr|GP|the General Public (aka non-thoosies, such as yourself from two seconds ago if you didn't already know what the phrase 'GP' meant 😤)}}</s>.
:After all, how else are they going to see the cool thoosie userbox/welcoming committee /otherwise find out that this WikiProject exists and then get involved in it? [[User:HotMess|<big>🔥</big><b style="color:red;">HOT<i style="color:orange;">m̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃</i></b><big>🔥</big>]] ([[User_talk:HotMess|talk]]・[[Special:Contributions/HotMess|edits]]) 23:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
::I love that idea!! Something along the lines of "Thank you for your contributions on articles within the scope of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks|WikiProject Amusement Parks]]!" then some small text below saying <small> "If you are interested in amusement parks, roller coasters and/or rides, learn more about us [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks|here]], and maybe even sign up at[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Participants|Participants]] page!"</small> Just a thought, because like I stated before, I def. know there is more editors, experienced or new, out there interested in amusement parks that don't know about APARKS yet. --[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:APARKS]]) </small>  23:56, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Currently I am in the process of creating new userboxes (along with the guide and checking source reliability). Check them out at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Templates]] and let me know how it looks. I will be making some new ones over the course of however long, I got a list of phrases to input and create. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 04:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
::::It looks great! [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:APARKS]]) </small>  11:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

=== New ideas: Visual and project page makeover ===
<nowiki>To be honest, the menu looks dated, especially considering it was created in the early-2010s and received little additions since then. That's why I've used the {{</nowiki>[[Template:Start tab|Start tab]]<nowiki>}} template to create a new menu which is also, currently in my </nowiki>[[User:Harobouri/sandbox|sandbox]]. We could also have those side bars like other WikiProjects do (like [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military History|WP Military History]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video Games|WP Video Games]]) to draw new members to our subpages and guides to get started on APARKS.

Could you tell that I based ''a lot'' of ideas from other WikiProjects? For our main page, we could re-do and again, draw those viewing our WikiProject to our guides, and talk about how editors can help + topics we cover (like WP military history, again). What are your thoughts though? Could we keep our current project pages as if or continue with these makeovers? [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 19:29, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

:The project could use an visual upgrade. I think it looks to be in the middle, visually when it comes to other WikiProjects. A side bar could be good for navigation. We should definitely keep all the tabs we currently have, as they all have useful purpose or historical significance. Maybe we can all pick a color scheme like park's do for roller coasters; and use it for our metaphorical track and support structure. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 05:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Adog}} I love the color scheme idea! I think that would make us stand out from the other WikiProjects while attempting to be like the WikiProjects, if you get what I'm saying. We should pick on a color/hex that is visually appealing, one that doesn't blind us. I absolutely derived everything from another WikiProject, and I cannot understand wikitext so if anyone could help me with that I would absolutely love that.
::I did have a navigation side bar for a short while at this [[Special:Diff/1125462078|diff]] but again, for the life of me I couldn't work it out so then I just gave up for now. The concept for that navigation side bar was (based on the diff and wikitext) that the ones that are not in a collapsable header were Main page, Talk, Assessment and Participants subpages, while we had a Resources section which had guide pages as another section and something I call "page relations" with pages like featured content and popular pages. Task forces and related WikiProject sections were also a section too. If anyone would like to pursue it, or move it into a user page where we all can work on it, I think it would be amazing! --[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 12:24, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:::The task forces page could use an uplift too. --[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:APARKS]]) </small>  03:49, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
::::I've redone the task force a little in my [[User:Harobouri/sandbox|sandbox]] by adding some related sectioning. Thoughts??  [[User:Harbouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harbouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harbouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:PUBLICSOCK|This is an alt account]]) </small>  19:26, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::That looks pretty good, I am sure all the task forces need an update given it has been a while. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 06:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::<nowiki>Yup - and I'm pretty sure the {{</nowiki>[[Template:Task force|Task force]]<nowiki>}} template will help as well!</nowiki> [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:APARKS]]) </small>  11:30, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::Apologies for my impatientness, but additionally, I would like to take advantage of the article alerts and featured/good content automated bot features, so if there is any way I could import this idea (which I updated today) into project-space, that would be great! [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:APARKS]]) </small>  12:35, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Okay, so in my sandboxes I've created the concepts for [[User:Harobouri/sandbox1|a individual task force page]] and [[User:Harobouri/sandbox2|the main task force page]]. Thoughts? [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:APARKS]]) </small>  01:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

====Implementing new menu/start tab====
How do we feel about implementing the new start tab/menu? You can see it [[User:Harobouri/sandbox|here]]. --[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 22:53, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:Not hateful, but I was thinking more along these lines: [[User:GoneIn60/sandbox|WP:APARKS Menu]]
:Here's a list of other things I changed:
:#Kept the Participants tab near the beginning as other projects tend to do. It's one of the first tabs we want new visitors to spot.
:#Changed "Structure & Standards" to just "Article standards". To me, seems more self-explanatory on where one can find help creating a new article. Another good option would be simply "Help".
:#"Featured content" should really be something more simple like "Spotlight", because the page shows off good articles as well. We could also merge "Popular pages" into a subsection underneath this tab.
:#Truly got rid of text wrapping in the tab names.
:#Increased font size and added a border.
:While we're at it, I figured let's get rid of the stale black and gray colors. I also think we should consider merging "Task forces" underneath "Collaboration". Thoughts? --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 05:59, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
::I think all the changes are great! If we were thinking about keeping the "WikiProject Amusement Parks," bar at the top, could we maybe change the font to differentiate from our current one, or maybe come up with a logo? --[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:APARKS]]) </small>  12:55, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Menu's looking great. Task force could go under Collab., it makes sense. The side bar idea I generally like as well. The only concern I have is where we would put new tabs if they were to go into effect. Mainly there is the Hall of Fame (HOF) to encourage participation and give credit to long-term editors (thinking the retired ones), Notability guideline for our articles, and a Research guide for old an new comers. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 14:53, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Also the WP:APARKS reliable source tab. How did I forget that? [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 15:36, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
::::A bunch of this would be squished, so maybe it could be on the Main page of APARKS, in a side bar, or we could have a bar named "Guides" and link to the different guides like a disambig. [[User:Harbouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harbouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harbouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:PUBLICSOCK|This is an alt account]]) </small>  18:15, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::Sounds like a sound idea. Maybe associated links can be found in the existing tabs we have to add to navigation. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::With Task forces put under Collab, we would have plenty of room for a new tab called "Hall of fame". I like that idea, BTW! The notability guidelines for the project could be a subsection under "Article standards", so that takes care of that. Then we can rename the "Templates" tab as "Research" or "Resources" (think I prefer the latter), and put everything there concerning reliable sources, templates, and other things we want newcomers to see.{{pb}}As for the WAP bar at the top and changing its font, I can look into that. Should be possible. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 18:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Sounds ideal within the range of pages we have. :) [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 06:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

====Sidebar recommendation====
I see some chatter above about using a sidebar. Not opposed, but we do probably need to be mindful of clutter. Is there a live example of this being used somewhere that we can look at? I can help pull that over into a sandbox to play with an example. Thanks. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 18:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

:I know I've used these WikiProjects ''a lot'' in examples but [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games]] have <s>two</s> sidebars.  [[User:Harbouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harbouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harbouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:PUBLICSOCK|This is an alt account]]) </small>  20:03, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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== Reliable source discussion ==

Per the above proposal about the future of this WikiProject, it has been mentioned having an in-house reliable source subpage would be useful to APARKS. As such, I've started a user space page for a draft of a list of reliable sources which can be found [[User:Harobouri/APARKS RS draft|here]] (that anyone is free to edit, add, remove, etc.). I think we should have a general discussion here about commonly used or popular sources first as a jumpstart before we begin RS or Notability subpage(s), similar to those of other WikiProjects. 

Below, there are a few sections of the names of websites that are popular/commonly used. Please comment on their reliability with '''Reliable''', '''Unreliable''' or '''With considerations''' - please make sure to include reasonings. If this discussion becomes too long, please move it to another page. -- [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 16:21, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

:Another discussion of the future of WikiProject Amusement Parks is ongoing and input of participants is requested in the following section at the section: [[#Implementing new ideas: Guides, new collaboration, visual makeover|Implementing new ideas: Guides, new collaboration, visual makeover]]. -- [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 20:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
::There is a lot of input so far! Don't forget, though, there's still some added sources that do not have any consensus. While this discussion is still open, I expect our RS discussion wraps up before the season starts (April-May). [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> (he/him) </small>  15:44, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

=== RCDB ===
For reference, RCDB can be found [https://rcdb.com here]; comments go below here:
*Generally '''reliable''', the RCDB contains pertinent information on hundreds of thousands of attractions from [[kiddie roller coaster]]s to [[stratacoaster]]s. I believe the RCDB is an invaluable source to [[WP:APARKS]] and Wikipedia because of the information provided by its [https://rcdb.com/about.htm 15 or so researchers], with Duane Marden essentially being the editor-in-chief. The database has a complete staff structure and is not user-generated. Not to mention RCDB's coverage on other reliable sources (such as [https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/business/media/04link.html?pagewanted=2 ''The New York Times'']), the information on each page is generally reliable when compared to other public resources. It is mainly an integral database.

:My concern, which I feel obligated to state, is there may be some incorrect information, as I previously noted on [[Kumba (roller coaster)]] with {{Diff|Kumba (roller coaster)|1103946455|1087439962|diff here}}. I believe the RCDB is most reliable when using its statistical data, make, model, type, characteristics (track, trains, details), name, location, pictures, videos, maps, definitions, terms, and other resources (things that are obvious). I am sometimes a bit wary of operation-specific dates, or notes (e.g. coming to mind from the reliable trade magazine ''Amusement Business'' stating the [[New Mexico Rattler]] was "95%" completed when CCI closed [https://www.proquest.com/docview/209444116 (ProQuest)], while RCDB states "less than half complete" [https://rcdb.com/1659.htm (RCDB - New Mexico Rattler)]. These are only two instances, which may be due to a typo or insufficient resources when these entries were put in place. I believe the RCDB can be used as a single source, but as with any citation work I do, I would use it with another source to present more than one avenue or reliable information. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:44, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
::I've also noticed typos over the years, and it's more common with older coasters that pre-dated the creation of the website. I think in Kumba's case, the 4/20/93 date claim by RCDB is referring to media preview day per [https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1993/04/21/kumba-thrills-come-full-circle/ this source]. In any case, even the most reliable newspapers get statistics and dates wrong on occasion, which is why it's always a good idea to have important claims confirmed by at least two sources. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 09:47, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:::I agree, I do not personally blame them considering they have 11,261 roller coasters (as of December 4, 2022) on the books, and it is a great community-rooted database. Always good to double check, and when it comes to statistics, I usually trust their numbers with another source. An example where I think they are right against RS is [[Jolly Rancher Remix]], and the ride's total track length. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 14:58, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Generally reliable''' - I agree with the above. RCDB is generally reliable because it's not user-generated, but it sometimes makes mistakes. I'd recommend using the RCDB in addition to another source is possible. [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 19:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

* '''Mostly reliable''' - As Adog mentioned, sometimes RCDB has some factual inaccuracies.  I've also discovered an inaccuracy when trying to find sources for the layout of [[Pipeline: The Surf Coaster]]. The roller coaster only has 1 inversion, but listed the inversion as being both a corkscrew and horseshoe inversion. Despite this, I believe RCDB is reliable coming to ride statistics. Should use another source to confirm what RCDB says is factually correct. [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 20:00, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

*Worth noting that RCDB does rely in part on user submissions - I have personally suggested changes and sent in corrections. Though of course these are all vetted by Duane Marden before being added. [[User:Garuda3|Garuda3]] ([[User talk:Garuda3|talk]]) 23:30, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

* '''Reliable''' – Generally more reliable than newspapers for statistical claims, and about on par with newspapers when it comes to dates. Like with a lot of major city newspapers, there will be the occasional statistical inaccuracy or flubbing of a date, especially with older coasters that opened and/or closed prior to the website's creation in 1996. The only problem is that newspapers tend to regurgitate and publish statistics given to them by the park (or read from their PR) and not confirmed by an independent source, so you always have to be careful with those as well when comparing to RCDB. For statistical differences, I tend to lean in favor of RCDB's claim. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 09:47, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

* '''Generally reliable''' - The source is excellent for confirming if a ride exists or ever existed, and in most cases only creates entries for new rides when enough proof exists that the ride is indeed coming. Information in doubt is usually noted as such or simply left blank on a given attraction's entry. Statistics can sometimes come from marketing info, meaning [[WP:PRIMARY]] concerns may come into play.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 14:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

* '''Appears Reliable''' - It's already citable as a source on Wikidata as well ([https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2751 Property:P2751]), which lends some additional credibility to it (or words along those lines I guess) [[User:HotMess|<big>🔥</big><b style="color:red;">HOT<i style="color:orange;">m̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃</i></b><big>🔥</big>]] ([[User_talk:HotMess|talk]]・[[Special:Contributions/HotMess|edits]]) 23:13, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

* '''Reliable''' – Reliable for statistics and any other factual information. I have found inaccuracy with its arbitrary threshold for what is considered a unique rollercoaster vs an off-the-shelf model, as well as its designation of when a rollercoaster is worthy of addition onto RCDB or not. I would usually seek to clarify from other sources in these cases. --[[User:Aadams|Aadams]] ([[User talk:Aadams|talk]]) 13:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

=== YouTube ===
For reference, YouTube can be found [https://youtube.com here]; comments go below here:
*'''With considerations''', for roller coaster articles, '''Unreliable''' in almost all other uses. [[YouTube]] should always and foremost be evaluated based on [[WP:YOUTUBE]] and [[WP:VIDEOREF]]. I, admittedly, use YouTube point-of-view (POV) videos for roller coaster articles to better present "Ride experience" sections, as most reliable sources will not give an account of the full layout of a roller coaster. The [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/SheiKra/archive2]] comes to mind when I think about the reasoning behind using YouTube as a source in amusement park articles, mainly for roller coasters. When questioned about ''CoasterForce's'' POV being used as a source, the nominator stated:

{{Blockquote|text=This is POV of the ride. It can't be fake/modified. I don't think it should be removed because it provides the most detailed layout information. Also, I don't think it is OR by translating a video into words because the video clearly supports if the train is making a left or right (just as an example)...
|author=[[User:Dom497|Dom497]]}}

:I believe this is a perfect reason for a POV's inclusion through a YouTube video. So long as the POV has good quality, it is neutral, only features the POV (no commentary, extra footage, or other content), and comes from a verified account (such as ''Theme Park Review'', ''CoasterForce'', or the park's account), it seems like a viable option. I would even argue a video POV is an extension of [[MOS:ALT]], as the "Ride experience" section, only for a roller coaster's layout, is essentially an alternative text to convey information found on a continuously moving image (i.e. the video). When giving more detailed information, such as statistics or a ride's element, another reliable source (such as RCDB) should be used with the YouTube source. 

:In all other cases, YouTube is generally unreliable. Although, I am sure interview's with a primary source (like those you would find about [[IAAPA]]) could be argued as a reliable source of information. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 18:12, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*I also think YouTube is '''generally unreliable, except for POVs and interviews'''. Ride POVs show the layout of a ride, which is a basic fact and not controversial, so they should be allowed. Interviews from reliable sources could also be acceptable. However, any video that includes analysis of a ride may not be reliable. [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 19:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Generally unreliable''' with few exceptions – If my goal was to elevate an article to GA and eventually FA status, I would avoid citing YouTube as much as possible. POVs are one possible exception, but even then, you'd want to complement the source with other reliable sources to reduce its weight. I'd argue that "Ride experience" sections covering the layout of the ride don't actually need any sources. Plot summaries of films and books that are in nearly every article of that type are known to be based on the primary source, and therefore citations are not needed in these sections. The same goes for coasters, IMO. The source is the coaster itself, which is publicly accessible. They deserve the same treatment as a plot summary.{{pb}}The other exception would be for interviews, as the others have mentioned, but only interviews conducted by sources that are deemed reliable by Wikipedia's standards. We need to be mindful of [[WP:RSSELF]] and [[WP:USERG]], especially the part: "{{tq|{{Nowrap|Self-published expert sources}} may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications}}".{{pb}}One other point. Unlike a standard "print" article online that can be archived with [https://archive.org/web/ Wayback] or [https://archive.ph/ Archive.today], YouTube content cannot be as far as I'm aware. Since the video can be removed at any time by its creator, which is likely to eventually happen for POVs, there's no good way to archive that information, resulting in the YouTube POV being unreliable in the long term. Best to avoid. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 10:10, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*:This is an interesting take with a possible long-term solution to the longevity of video sources. I wonder how or if we could go about doing such a thing. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 15:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*::{{u|Adog}}, thanks for the interest. I aim to archive every citation I use on Wikipedia, but video presents a complicated obstacle. Might be worth discussing options in a separate thread down the road. Technically, I can capture and archive the video myself if it's something I don't want to lose, but that's no help to Wikipedia of course, especially after I'm gone! --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 18:53, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
*:::I am sure once we conclude the reliability of some of these sources, we may start a YouTube discussion and create a guideline similar to [[MOS:TVPLOT]]. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:58, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
*As an [[addendum]], I will also lump enthusiast personnel channels such as [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCnG72NjB4Kr0NDAiz-ksaQ Coaster Studios], [https://www.midwaymayhem.com/ Midway Mayhem], [https://www.youtube.com/@ElToroRyan ElToroRyan], [[Defunctland]], [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy9i4O3Bvdc5fHG6LgtnP5g Theme Park Stop], [https://coasterbot.com/ Coaster Bot], [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvhnHwejIAabg99sYeWwC9A Theme Park History], [https://expeditionthemepark.com/ Expedition Theme Park], among others as '''Unreliable''' or '''to avoid''' for opinions, reviews, rankings, & coverage. Although many of these individuals are well traveled and intentioned, some have great quality essays or videos, quality across the board is varied and are prone to errors. Some channels do not provide sources to their content, and sometimes rely on enthusiast legacy rumors. Not to mention copyright content that is contained within videos. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 16:37, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

* '''Best avoided''' - Too much risk involved here, such as pages being flooded with video links that are mere speculation and wish-casting. If a reader wants to search YouTube on their own and make their own call, they will do so without our direction.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 14:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Inside the Magic ===
For reference, ITM can be found [https://insidethemagic.net here]; comments go below here:
*Not reliable. Articles are mostly click bait <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast|DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast]] ([[User talk:DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast|contribs]]) </small>
*'''Unreliable''', like DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast has mentioned, articles on there are prone to being clickbait. We should never use the title of the source to use to confirm something. They posted something (to my memory) when a ride (I forgot which ride) was planned to be closed for renovations and they made it sound like it was going to be permanently closed. [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 19:55, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
::More specifically, some of their "news" content is ≤ half actual reporting and the other half or more is an (assuming unsponsored) promotion of the park, or its clearly unrelated. This is not something that just happened in the past and they fixed, its something they keep doing.
::[https://insidethemagic.net/2022/12/six-flags-fire-breaks-out-theme-park-ld1/ This recent article dated December 13, 2022] talks about a fire at SFGAm half of the time and then talks about Six Flags' operation of theme parks across the world and talks about SFGAm's operation of American Eagle by [[Copy Paste|C+P]] content from their website. --[[User:Harbouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harbouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harbouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:PUBLICSOCK|This is an alt account]]) </small>  20:19, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

*'''Unreliable''', although there does seem to be some essence of news coverage (construction updates), it is vastly overshadowed by opinion pieces and small updates you would find on a Disney vlog channel. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 21:07, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Best to avoid''' – Reliability is there at times, but the website is full of intrusive advertising and is occasionally written like a tabloid. Not seeing anything here but opinions of facts reported by other sources, or simply a regurgitation of what other sources are reporting. Just use the other sources! --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 11:24, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

* ''' CLICKBAIT ''' - Completely and utterly unreliable as previously stated.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 14:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Best to avoid''' because it appears to be formatted as a blog with opinion pieces, minor trivia, and the occasional factual scoop. Unlike with trade publications such as Attractions Magazine, I'm not seeing any evidence that this website has an editorial control process. &ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 17:25, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Coaster101 ===
For reference, C101 can be found [https://coaster101.com here]; comments go below here:

*Generally '''Reliable''', ''Coaster 101'' is an online news organization [https://www.coaster101.com/about/ focusing on the amusement park industry]. The said organization has an outlined staff structure with a team of engineers, media and communication personnel, and correspondents. They are headed by two individuals and have a range of content from general information about roller coasters, news in the amusement industry, reviews on attractions, and interviews with industry professionals. Guest writers are sometimes used, but are published under the guidance of the staff individuals. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 18:55, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

*With consideration. I'm not sure how well some of the articles are researched. I have spotted some errors and found some inconsistencies. If they are quoting industry professionals, then the article should be reliable. However, they also write many opinion pieces, and I would avoid using any of those as a source.[[User:JlACEer|—<span style="color:#6209d1;background:#dcdcdc">'''JlACEer'''</span>]] ([[User talk:JlACEer|<span style="color:#808c8e">'''talk'''</span>]]) 19:16, 3 December 2022 (UTC)	
*'''Generally reliable''' per Adog. [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 19:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Reliable''' – As with any site, some publications could be questionable, but for the most part, I have found a majority of their content to be reasonably reliable. Works well as a complementary source. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 11:27, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Theme Park Insider ===
For reference, TPI can be found [https://themeparkinsider.com here]; comments go below here:

*<s>Generally '''Reliable'''</s>, the ''Theme Park Insider'' news website has a focus on the amusement industry; and has a staff structure with [https://www.themeparkinsider.com/about_tpi/ Robert Niles] as its editor-in-chief. There are writers, some more notable than others, but it is assumed to be edited and published before release. Robert Niles has had coverage in reliable sources, as he likes to state on his about page. Niles has been quoted in [https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2022/03/15/florida-dont-say-gay-law-tourism/?sh=264e0a553422 ''Forbes''], coverage in trade magazine [https://www.adweek.com/performance-marketing/robert-niles-online-journalism-review-usc-annenberg-boot-camp/ AdWeek], and mentions in [https://web.archive.org/web/20061122093707/http://www.travelandleisure.com/articles/tls-top-28-web-sites/?page=2 Travel & Leisure] for its amusement park coverage. The website has a range of topics, from opinion pieces and news reports. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 19:23, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
:*Will change to '''With considerations''' given factual reporting, disregarding opinion pieces per below. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 18:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Generally reliable''' per Adog. [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 19:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*With consideration. I know that Niles has been quoted in various magazines and newspapers, but outside of Disney, I've never considered him to be very knowledgeable. Sure, he's made a name for himself and that's why others flock to him, but I don't think he's a very good source. I don't think he travels very much and I have never seen him at press or media events outside of the general Orlando area. If you need to know something about Disney World, he's the man. If it's not Disney, use caution. Much like Coaster101 and other websites, avoid opinion pieces.[[User:JlACEer|—<span style="color:#6209d1;background:#dcdcdc">'''JlACEer'''</span>]] ([[User talk:JlACEer|<span style="color:#808c8e">'''talk'''</span>]]) 19:36, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Somewhat reliable''', use with caution – I've seen a lot of content that simply post construction updates through pictures with a little speculation on what they mean. General commentary can be sketchy at times. I'm with JlACEer on this one. Avoid citing opinions and only use for factual representation that is shared by other sources. If other sources aren't talking about it, it probably isn't significant enough to warrant mention on Wikipedia. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 11:32, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Attractions Magazine ===
For reference, Attractions Magazine can be found [https://attractionsmagazine.com here]; comments go below here:

*'''Reliable''' – They have been cited by other reliable publications, and I've cited them myself in a number of articles. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 11:35, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
* '''Reliable''' - One of the few actual physical publications included here. That editorial oversight carries a LOT of weight for citations.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 14:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Generally reliable''' per above. &ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 17:33, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Theme Park Review ===
For reference, TPR can be found [https://themeparkreview.com here]; comments go below here:
*'''Generally unreliable'''. Most, if not all, pages on TPR are [[Robb Alvey]]'s personal commentary, more akin to a blog. The website even has the following disclaimer: "You need a sense of humor to view our site, if you don't have a sense of humor, or are easily offended, please turn back now!" I don't think people outside WP:APARKS would look highly on this site, either, since it's Alvey's personal website. [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 19:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

*'''Generally unreliable'''. Agreed. One thing that sticks out to me is he reuploads POV's of rides from official sources and uses them as his own. [[User:FlyersFan1969|FlyersFan1969]] ([[User talk:FlyersFan1969|talk]]) 19:53, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*:I think that poses a bigger issue. If he's uploading other people's POVs without permission, then he is violating their copyright and we can't even link to these videos per [[WP:COPYLINK]]. &ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:27, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*::I could be wrong, but it may refer to POV's such as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-uNeiU7J0k&ab_channel=ThemeParkReview this one]. Park promotional POV's that are posted and reuploaded by theme park channels. These would most definitely be copyright. Though, I think Alvey uploads his own POV's because you can hear him very loud and clear in many videos...such as the annoying [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmy1RCSfmIM&ab_channel=ThemeParkReview "we are on a log flume"]. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 20:46, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*:::Yeah that's true, Alvey does upload his own POVs. I still would not recommend using them, though, <s>since he always feels the need to talk about every single aspect of every single ride</s> because of his extensive opinionated commentary. &ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 01:54, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*::::Both statements are true. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 03:43, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

*'''Generally unreliable'''. Sadly, Alvey is well-traveled and probably very knowledgeable, but instead of using that knowledge for the betterment of the enthusiast community, he prefers to be contemptible to appeal to his pitiable fan base.[[User:JlACEer|—<span style="color:#6209d1;background:#dcdcdc">'''JlACEer'''</span>]] ([[User talk:JlACEer|<span style="color:#808c8e">'''talk'''</span>]]) 20:28, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Generally unreliable''' At least for the forums. Is it appropriate to use TPR photo pages as references like in [[Dorney Park]]? [[User:Garuda3|Garuda3]] ([[User talk:Garuda3|talk]]) 20:34, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Unreliable''' – Nothing more than a personal blog full of opinions and enthusiast content. Not suitable for Wikipedia as a citation. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 11:38, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

* '''Unreliable''' - It's always been a fan-site and chat blog, even before the drama started.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 14:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Screamscape ===
For reference, Screamscape can be found [https://www.screamscape.com/ here]; comments go below here:

*'''Unreliable''', given that Screamscape is a largely [[WP:SPECULATION|speculative source]], as has been wrong about its information. Most prominently, with its coverage about [[Kumba (roller coaster)]] possibly closing [https://web.archive.org/web/20220512183012/https://www.screamscape.com/html/busch_gardens_tampa.htm#Kumba (Web Archive May 12, 2022) - Screamscape (March 19, 2022)]. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 18:30, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Generally unreliable'''. The site's [https://www.screamscape.com/html/about_us.htm About Us] page says: "While Screamscape.com is primarily the of work of myself, I do have help and information sent in from around the world." This suggests that it is Lance Hart's personal website and should be treated with a grain of salt. The news provided by this website ''may'' be reliable, as long as it has been verified by another source. However, other content such as rumors definitely should not be included on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, Screamscape's news coverage may be tainted by rumors, which is why I'm wary of using it as a reference. [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 19:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
* '''Unreliable''', a lot of speculation and rumors and very most likely incorrect information. I've only used Screamscape as a source only once to mention the color of supports for [[Pipeline: The Surf Coaster]] because other than a Blogspot SPS, no other source has mentioned that the supports are white colored.[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 19:48, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Unreliable''' – And if I ever see a citation to Screamscape, it's getting removed! Violates [[WP:RSSELF]] and [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. If any of its speculation is ever worth including, a more reliable source will pick up on it. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 11:42, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
* '''Borderline''' - While Screamscape generally is an individual's personal work, he does occasionally cite other sources to support his posts. So, when used to find another source, Screamscape can be useful (but only when the linked source is deemed reliable and is cited directly). If no source is given, should be treated as rumor and speculation.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 14:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
*:{{u|McDoobAU93}}, it's a good point, as I have used Screamscape personally for those reasons trying to locate a good source. But in regard to Wikipedia, I'm not citing Screamscape for anything. If they list a reliable source, I'm citing that reliable source directly. If it's a statement from a reliable source that hasn't been published anywhere else, it stays out of Wikipedia, because we can deem that as insignificant. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 18:57, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Ultimate Rollercoaster === 
For reference, Ultimate Rollercoaster can be found [https://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com/ here] and Ultimate Waterpark can be found [https://www.ultimatewaterpark.com/ here]. They are both connected entities, comments go below here:
* Reliable. May not be up to date, but Eric Gieszl has been maintaining this site for a long time and over the years I have found it to be well-researched and fairly reliable.[[User:JlACEer|—<span style="color:#6209d1;background:#dcdcdc">'''JlACEer'''</span>]] ([[User talk:JlACEer|<span style="color:#808c8e">'''talk'''</span>]]) 19:41, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
* Occasionally unreliable. '''Best to avoid or use with caution''' – On a number of occasions over the years, I've had to remove citations to this source for questionable claims that either couldn't be found in other sources or for claims that contradicted other sources, such as RCDB. While I can see why someone might have it as a personal bookmark, I would not advise citing it on Wikipedia. Most experienced editors, especially in an FA review, will take one look at this site and get the immediate impression it is a personal website. They will question its status as reliable, and for good reason. In nearly every case, the information they provide can be found in better sources. The one exception for me would be old press releases. They have a decent archive of hard-to-find PRs from some parks, and I've found those to be helpful. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 10:46, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''With considerations''', Ultimate Rollercoaster has flaws, more-so evenly with others, but its usually more reliable. I would cite it with supporting reliable sources, and try to avoid information that can be verified elsewhere. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:54, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

===The Mouse Trap===
For reference, ''The Mouse Trap'' can be found [https://mousetrapnews.com/ here]; comments go below here:

*'''Very unreliable''' - I've included this only to confirm (and link in the RS table) that this ''satirical'' source should never be used. Personally, some of their content is funny but should '''never, ever''' be used for article content. They've also confirmed themselves that they are satire news [https://www.mousetrapnews.com/about here]. [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 19:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

*'''Extremely unreliable''', for the obvious. [[Admiral Ackbar#"It's a trap!"|It's a Trap!]] [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 20:53, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Onion quality''' &ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 01:50, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*:''[[The Onion]]'' [https://www.theonion.com/six-flags-adds-sleeper-cars-to-its-roller-coasters-for-1819577815 does] [https://www.theonion.com/irans-nuclear-operation-revealed-to-be-cover-for-greate-1819570443 have] [https://www.theonion.com/six-flags-to-scale-down-its-biggest-roller-coaster-to-r-1819582326 some] [https://www.theonion.com/busch-gardens-unveils-new-9-600-mile-long-endurance-coa-1819576816 quality] [https://www.theonion.com/rollercoaster-tycoon-fans-will-love-this-hundreds-ha-1847387475 content]...[https://www.theonion.com/new-iphones-calling-911-while-on-roller-coasters-1849644329 right]? [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 16:13, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*::Yes!!!!!!!!!!{{jokes}} --[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:APARKS]]) </small>  21:00, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Behind the Thrills ===
For reference, BTH can be found [https://behindthethrills.com/ here]; comments go below here:
*'''Somewhat reliable''', use with caution – If we had tiers of reliability, with Tier 1 being the most reliable, this site would probably be a Tier 3. In some instances, it appears to be a glorified blog offering personal accounts/opinions coupled with on-site photos. In other cases, they include quotes from park administrative staff and present things from an objective viewpoint. I've noticed some intrusive advertising as well that cover the page until you click past. For that reason, I would mostly steer clear, but it ''can'' be a decent source. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 13:29, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''With considerations''' regarding some objective construction and general amusement news (such as IAAPA coverage). I have found their coverage of certain attractions reliable, as they provide helpful photos and updates. Though, I would be wary of content [https://behindthethrills.com/2022/03/iron-gwazi-hourly-capacity-and-real-life-persons-per-hour/ such as this]. ''Behind the Thrills'' appears to have some semblance of staff structure, but it remains unclear when a first-name basis is used at times. That being said, they have a timeline of the article's authors have written. In addition, in their "About" section (scrolling all the way to the bottom of the front page), they do state they post rumors. I credit coverage with tangible assets with photos or images that can verify an observation. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 15:27, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Amusement Insider ===
For reference, AI can be found [http://www.amusementinsider.com/ here]; comments go below here:

*'''Unreliable''', despite its well-sounded name, the information that can be found on Amusement Insider is primarily a guide to amusement parks, videos on trips, and video reviews. Founded by [http://www.amusementinsider.com/p/about-amusement-insider.html Austin Rdzanek], who is the apparent owner of ''Behind the Thrills'', its mainly a platform for videos, which we would not consider reliable. The news section redirects to BTH website. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 18:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Theme Park Tourist ===
For reference, TPT can be found [https://www.themeparktourist.com/ here]; comments go below here:

*Generally '''Unreliable''', the website is run by [https://www.themeparktourist.com/about-us Natalie Sim], who co-founded the 'news' service with Nick Sim until his death in 2016. Most of the articles (a good majority), are written by Sim herself, with some staff writing as well. They do post [https://www.themeparktourist.com/news/20221009/33042/rumor-further-details-revealed-about-ministry-magic-epic-universe rumors about projects], and act more on the side of a blog than a news publishing service with guides thrown about, about Disney or Universal. It does not convey a broad scope of coverage with its service, with a main focus on the Orlando theme park area, specifically the two giants. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 15:42, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Questionable''' – Can be reliable. While you will usually find better sources to cite, some articles are well-written and researched. Coaster101 actually recommends the source for news and articles ([https://www.coaster101.com/2021/02/16/theme-park-twitter-101-must-follow-theme-park-accounts/ link]), and they have been name-dropped by reliable sources such as [[TheStreet]] and ''[[Tampa Bay Times]]''. However, I would only cite as a complementary source for speculation and opinion. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 09:40, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

=== blooloop ===
For reference, blooloop can be found [https://blooloop.com/theme-park/ here]; comments go below here:
*'''Generally reliable''' staffed by those who used to work in the industry.[[User:DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast|DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast]] ([[User talk:DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast|talk]]) 22:06, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Generally reliable'''. Although the publication is targeted toward those in the amusement industry, it seems to have some sort of editorial process and staffed by industry journalists. &ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 01:52, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Reliable''' – Professional presentation with well-written articles that appear to undergo an editorial process. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 13:21, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Theme Park Tribune ===
For reference, TPT can be found [https://www.themeparktribune.com/ here]; comments go below here:
*'''With considerations for now''', I've used this source here and there some times, and TPT isn't speculative or based off of rumors. However, it is a [[WP:SPS]], as John Gregory is the main (only) contributor of all TPT articles. Might change my view point once a second or third opinion has been made. [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 23:46, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Somewhat reliable''' – Professional presentation with informative articles, as shown in [https://www.themeparktribune.com/universal-theme-parks-report-record-earnings-with-no-sign-of-slowing-down/ this piece]. I share the same concern as Harobouri, however, that this is mostly a one-man show. However, Gregory has been recognized as a subject-matter expert from other reliable sources, so I think his content would pass the [[WP:SPS]] litmus test. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 13:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''With considerations''' when placed with a more reliable or well-established source, and depending on who the writer is. With the sentiment above, it is mostly a one-man show. I did find another contributor, [https://www.themeparktribune.com/bowsers-castle-nears-completion-at-universal-hollywoods-super-nintendo-world/ Ethan], who seems more of an enthusiast than an established writer and whose reporting is more-or-less like a blog on speculation and primary observation. I would trust Gregory a bit more, [https://www.themeparktribune.com/about-us/ as his about page] is more professional sounding than ''Theme Park Magazine''. He has established credentials in writing, the media, and with other outlets. Older reporting include an author from the ''[[Orlando Sentinel]]'', [https://www.themeparktribune.com/author/roen/ Terry Roen] and another. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 18:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

===Coaster Nation===
For reference, Coaster Nation can be found [https://coasternation.com/ here]; comments go below here:

'''Comment''' A lot, but not all, of their content and articles are created by Dan Hower. However, they have a [https://coasternation.com/join-our-team Join Our Team] section which states that interested writers should have "familiarity with AP Style for writing or for the media". [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 23:46, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Best to avoid''', Coaster Nation seems fine for an enthusiast-run webpage, with its [https://coasternation.com/ news section] really headlines another reliable source would pick up. Hower's background does not pertain to the amusement industry in full, besides a stint at the BTH network. If there is another reliable source I would use it, as this is a nice enthusiast website for directory news. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 18:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Parkz ===
For reference, Parkz can be found [https://www.parkz.com.au/ here]; comments go below here:

'''Comment''' - A lot of their recent articles are mainly Australian theme park press releases. [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] <sup> [[User talk:Harobouri|T]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|C]] (he/him) </sup> 17:10, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''With considerations''' for some aspects of news where commentary is not primarily used, '''Best to avoid''' their database. I found ''Parkz'' pretty reliable when they covered [[DC Rivals HyperCoaster]], as their reporting (Richard Wilson) was similar to reliable sources. [https://www.parkz.com.au/update/2020/12/12/703-Vortex_nears_completion_Leviathan_towers_as_The_New_Atlantis_nears_opening_at_Sea_World.html Such as this piece], there can be points where reporting is essentially just photos and commentary, would avoid these. Finding a listed writers/authors page is hard to find [https://www.parkz.com.au/about/staff when the staff page] only states, "Our editorial team provides expert insight from around the globe". Due diligence is needed for using this website. There is a database for rides, but I would avoid this for two reasons. One, [https://www.parkz.com.au/rides personal reviews] can be added to this by anyone (see [[WP:USERGENERATED]]). Two, although the [https://www.parkz.com.au/about/contribute database is moderated], it can be made up by user submissions. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 18:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

=== OurWorlds ===
For reference, OW can be found [https://ourworlds.au/ here]; comments go below here:
*'''Best to avoid''', for reasons of nearly being a [[WP:SPS]] & [[WP:SPONSORED]]. OurWorlds is a very professional-looking publication covering Australian amusement park news, and I find their articles to be generally reliable when it comes to reporting. The major ref flag I saw here was on their [https://ourworlds.au/about/ about page], which states, "We welcome media invites for consideration, as do we encourage sponsored content and collaborations with brands". To whom or what is sponsored, I do not know, as it does not have any clear indications on the articles. This makes it even worse when it comes to reviews, as it is entirely possible it is sponsored. More recently, the website is published by [https://ourworlds.au/author/benjamin/ Ben Roache], who seems professional. Not many writers in this newsroom as of late, so best to avoid it because of the problems above. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 16:13, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

=== CoasterForce ===
For reference, CF can be found [https://coasterforce.com/ here]; comments go below here:

* '''Best to avoid''' as CoasterForce, by its own merit, is a [https://coasterforce.com/about-us/ roller coaster enthusiast community]. They have many useful pages for roller coaster junkies or enthusiasts, or [https://coasterforce.com/glossary/#g "goons"] (please never use that). On their [https://coasterforce.com/about-us/ about page], there is some semblance of staff structure, but you will not find it on any of the [https://coasterforce.com/category/news/ news posts] as they are all without a stated author/writer. I am sure their [https://coasterforce.com/coaster-info/ Coaster Info] pages are helpful to some degree of research, but they do not cite any sources, which makes any content questionable. [https://coasterforce.com/records/ Records] you could easily substitute for RCDB, with personal records not verified on the page itself. [https://coasterforce.com/category/accidents/ Accidents] could have some usefulness as it does cite its sources. Most definitely avoid the glossary or forum for any reliability, as it is [[WP:FANCRUFT]] and [[WP:USERGENERATED]]. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Amusement Park Warehouse ===
For reference, APW can be found [https://amusementparkwarehouse.com/ here]; comments go below here:
*Generally '''Reliable''', as Amusement Park Warehouse is one of the more unique sources on this list. According to is [https://amusementparkwarehouse.com/pageserver/about-us about page], APW started as an enthusiast website for carnival rides but has grown into the product it is today. APW has a [https://amusementparkwarehouse.com/newsserver/carnival-warehouse-announces-new-print-magazine-1644883200 print publication], mainly [https://carnivalwarehouse.com/newsserver/mcw/all covering carnival ride industry news]. It also does cover [https://amusementparkwarehouse.com/newsserver/apw/all amusement industry news], and has a variety of content from several authors. Avoid citing opinions as facts. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 16:13, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Coaster Buzz ===
For reference, CB can be found [https://coasterbuzz.com/ here]; comments go below here:

*Generally '''Unreliable''', as a database/blog/forum. Coaster Buzz is authored by [https://jeffputz.com/content/Bio Jeff Putz], with another website having a tell-all about the subject. [https://jeffputz.com/content/Portfolio Coaster Buzz] is a "database" and "news" website that is funded by members or outside advertising. Putz as an authored subject has seen some media recognition [https://www.npr.org/2007/05/28/10498878/roller-coaster-goes-for-thrills-over-extremes NPR], but much of the website is not a great source of info and acts like a personal log for the individual. [https://coasterbuzz.com/News The news] is small headlines or a sentence or two, maybe a press release from the actual source. The database has errors, such as [https://coasterbuzz.com/RollerCoasters/python Python opening in 1977] (opened in 1976), or Gwazi (one side), had [https://coasterbuzz.com/RollerCoasters/gwazi-tiger four vehicles]. I know he means four vehicles for the entire Gwazi roller coaster, but if we cited that others would not. RCDB is a better complete source, and the news you can find on said websites. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

=== News Plus Notes ===
For reference, NPN can be found [http://newsplusnotes.blogspot.com/ here]; comments go below here:

*'''Somewhat reliable''', use with caution – Similar to Theme Park Insider regarding construction updates/photos and speculative commentary, all of which I would use caution on. However, they tend to cover amusement park news from all over, and I have cited them many times in the past. Generally reliable but should be assessed as needed on a case-by-case basis. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 18:33, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

*'''With considerations''', for contemporary news, but generally '''Unreliable''' for questionable oversight in the reporting in its early history. They seem to have done their homework, looking into topics such as [http://newsplusnotes.blogspot.com/search/label/Busch%20Gardens%20Tampa Busch Gardens Tampa Bay]. They interview primary sources and present information well enough to be used as a media-published source, concerning roller coaster construction over the years and updates [http://newsplusnotes.blogspot.com/2022/03/busch-gardens-tampas-montu-gets-bright.html such as Montu's repaint]. 

:I would deem this source unreliable for its past reporting and things they did not directly report on themselves. For one, this is posted on [[Blogger]]; it is very much an enthusiast blog run by three individuals: [https://www.blogger.com/profile/10757341820912233856 a self-described "amusement industry junkie"] and [https://www.blogger.com/profile/08269130042696595923 a couple in the social work industry]. Besides the obvious [[WP:SPS]] issue, it would seem there is a lack of editorial oversight on older reporting, such as [http://newsplusnotes.blogspot.com/2009/10/blast-from-past-busch-gardens-europes.html Drachen Fire], which is likely false and possibly facilitated a [[Wikipedia:List of citogenesis incidents|citogensis incident]] with our article on [[Drachen Fire]] and the [https://wydaily.com/our-community/series/landmark-lost/2021/12/26/wydaily-revisits-landmark-lost-busch-gardens-drachen-fire/ Williamsburg Yorktown Daily] online news source. If true, it is a tad embarrassing. I would use a reliable source over this one but consider using it for specific updates and reports on construction where verified and has citations. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

=== WDW News Today ===
For reference, WDWNT can be found [https://wdwnt.com/ here]; comments go below here:

* '''Utterly unreliable''' - Only notable thing about this site is it actually elicited a response [https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2019/06/about-our-country-bears out of Disney itself] debunking its reporting. Please don't give it any bandwidth or consideration for sourcing.  --'''[[User:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#000080">McDoob</span>]][[User talk:McDoobAU93|<span style="color:#cc5500">AU93</span>]]''' 19:47, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

*'''Unreliable''', will agree with the above. Having a conflict with the company in your organization's name is not a great look for reliability, much so, as having a rumor dispelled. Much of the content (including its YouTube aspect), covers many minor changes that only the most addicted Disney fan would like to know, such as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J78lG-QOq94&ab_channel=WDWNewsToday road sign color changes] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BE7l-ZkQLs&ab_channel=WDWNewsToday Florida man news]. Updates are covered so often that it would not be worth noting all of them if you wrote an article about an attraction's construction, and are not verified by the Walt Disney company. Articles are written more to the effect of getting clicks, even if the report is noteworthy to cite. Unless you really want to know about [https://wdwnt.com/2022/12/construction-sheathing-minions-villain-con-entrance-usf/ new sheathing and plaster that were added to a rumored attraction's facade], I think we can pass on this being on Wikipedia. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 00:00, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

=== InPark Magazine ===
For reference, IPM can be found [https://www.inparkmagazine.com/ here]; comments go below here:

*Generally '''Reliable''', as the ''InPark Magazine'' appears to be different from the other listed news sources. IPM is not so much from an enthusiast's perspective, but one similar to other trade publications such as ''[[Amusement Today]]'' or ''[[Funworld Magazine]]''. The [https://www.inparkmagazine.com/about/ staff] appear to be reliable authors, all with backgrounds in the amusement industry, some previously of the [[Themed Entertainment Association]]. They do include guest writers who have credentials in the entertainment industry. IPM is multi-media, with [https://www.inparkmagazine.com/category/ipm-books/ books], a [https://www.inparkmagazine.com/category/news/ news org.], and [https://www.inparkmagazine.com/backissues/ a regular print] of featured amusement topics. From the articles I have read, it seems to be accurate. A flaw is that news articles will tend to be authored by the magazine, not by an individual author, making it harder to know who authored the publishing. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:12, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Theme Park Magazine ===
For reference, TPM can be found [https://themeparkmagazine.com/ here]; comments go below here:

*Generally '''Unreliable''' for now, possibly with considerations in the following years if revisited. ''Theme Park Magazine'' has the look and feel of a reliable news website, but with a few red flags. The first is that the cite was [https://themeparkmagazine.com/aboutus/ founded in 2021], and is [[WP:SPONSORED|sponsored]] by [https://themeparkmagazine.com/ The Great Oregon Steam-Up]. Second, the news magazine is primarily published under the guise of [https://themeparkmagazine.com/spacemountaintokyodisneyland/ Joe Tracy], the editor-at-large, resembling that of an [[WP:SPS]]. However, to his credit, he has guest writers, but the con is there are mostly (if not all) made up of freelance writers, who can publish on the platform as [https://themeparkmagazine.com/writersguidelines/ "it helps build your expertise"]. The two writers I found were an enthusiast (see below) and another freelance writer in biology and journalism. According to Tracy's Linkedin, many aspects of the magazine are "in development". Given time, this could be developed into a host of reliable information, but at present, it has to go through some growing pains to get established.

:Side note: A personal gripe with statistics, but [https://themeparkmagazine.com/hersheyparkjollyrancher/ a writer] wrote on the topic I also researched ([[Jolly Rancher Remix]]), and used the figure of 105 feet that the park similarly has on its official web page; rather than the given 115 feet used by RS upon opening [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/108978124/s-s-super-sidewinder-strikes-at/ 1], [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/108978165/sidewinder-thrilling-chilling/ 2], [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/108978299/a-new-twist-the-sidewinder-debuts/ 3] or the precise [https://web.archive.org/web/20080902001130/http://www.vekoma.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=22 116.5 feet the manufacture listed] for its boomerang model. It does not seem likely that the ride is 105 feet tall, as [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/108976991/sidewinder-track/ very older] [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/108977108/hersheypark-sidewinder-1991/ reports suggested] only when the ride was announced. Theme park websites also vary statistics between boomerang models. It is a small gripe, but trying nonetheless when the site has [https://themeparkmagazine.com/aboutus/ "Hours of research (that) goes into writing the article with more information, insights, and depth"]. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 01:30, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Captain Coaster ===
For reference, CC can be found [https://captaincoaster.com/en/ here]; comments go below here:

*'''Unreliable''' as it is a [[WP:USERGENERATED]] website with user opinions. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 18:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Unreliable''' – Nothing more than a forum. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 03:18, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Unreliable''': Absolutely nothing here has staff-posts or of the sorts, it’s just a bunch and lists of reviews that we should not be using at all. [[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> ([[He (pronoun)|he/him]] • [[WP:APARKS]]) </small>  02:07, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Coasters World ===
For reference, CW can be found [https://coastersworld.fr/ here]; comments go below here:

=== Johnnyupsidedown ===
For reference, JUD can be found [https://www.johnnyupsidedown.com/ here]; comments go below here:
*'''Best to avoid''', as there is a clear case of personal journaling. If there were an explicit use of [[WP:SPS]], this would be your website. [http://www.johnnyupsidedown.com/about.html John Wiencek] seems to be a well-traveled enthusiast who covers some construction, trips, and personal projects on his website. I find his reporting to be generally reliable, with good photos taken during construction projects. There are some portfolios [http://www.johnnyupsidedown.com/new.html where he was more active than others], but he does cite reliable figures in instances of media tours. Generally, his photos are accompanied by commentary about what happened between x and y dates, similar to a Midway Mayhem video posted on a website. His information is useful, but I am sure reliable sources could publish these same logs, and best avoided for now unless accompanied by another reliable source. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 16:13, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Coaster Critic ===
For reference, CC can be found [https://coastercritic.com/ here]; comments go below here:

*'''Reliable''' – The author, [https://coastercritic.com/about/ Joel Bullock], is a subject-matter expert that has been interviewed/recognized by reputable sources. Cite with confidence. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 03:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''With considerations''' for news reporting and reviews; avoiding "showdowns", trip reports, or "coasterology" and the like. Joel seems to be an established self-described Coaster Critic with many reviews of attractions and coverage from reliable sources. I am sure his reviews may be acceptable, maybe even news when paired with a reliable source. Others write for the website, such as [https://coastercritic.com/author/bobbie/ Bobbie], [https://coastercritic.com/author/jon/ Jon], or [https://coastercritic.com/author/eric/ Eric] to name a few. I would give due consideration to these authors, as they are lesser known. The website is very much an enthusiast blog, with content [https://coastercritic.com/2018/03/showdown-kumba-vs-bizarro/ like this] that should never appear in an article. I would be ok with their coasterology (especially with their views on "hybrid-roller coasters" becoming more mainstream), but very unsure of its reliability if it were to be an authoritative source on the matter. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Roller Coaster Philosophy ===
For reference, RCP can be found [https://www.rollercoasterphilosophy.com/ here]; comments go below here:

=== Coaster Net ===
For reference, CN can be found [http://www.coaster-net.com/ here]; comments go below here:
*'''Best to avoid''' and generally '''Unreliable''', Coaster Net has their news headlines with full stories available on reliable sources websites or redirects to unreliable enthusiast blogs. [http://www.coaster-net.com/staff.html CN has a basic staff structure], with some enthusiast milestone credentials. [https://twitter.com/thehsbr Looking at the owner's Twitter] is an eyesore like PatP-owner Bob; it does not strike me as professional. There are better sources out there. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Point Buzz ===
For reference, PB can be found [https://pointbuzz.com/ here]; comments go below here:
*'''Generally Unreliable''' as with Coaster Buzz. A lot of the news is headlines or redirected to more reliable sources. I think we can pass on Point Buzz. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Attraction Source ===
For reference, AS can be found [https://www.attractionsource.com/ here]; comments go below here:

*'''Seems reliable''' - Several of the articles about rollercoasters under construction have references to the appropriate recently-submitted planning documents, some archives of former attractions with photos of them, and some information about the construction processes of other rides also have some photographic evidence. As a sidenote, [https://www.towerstimes.co.uk/ TowersTimes] is part of AS, but specifically with info about Alton Towers instead of UK theme parks in general. [[User:HotMess|<big>🔥</big><b style="color:red;">HOT<i style="color:orange;">m̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃</i></b><big>🔥</big>]] ([[User_talk:HotMess|talk]]・[[Special:Contributions/HotMess|edits]]) 16:03, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

*Generally '''Reliable''', if not, with an established source for acceptable reporting on news, construction, or history. I am not too familiar with UK theme parks and news, so if someone is, please back up or counter my observations. Attraction Source seems to have an [https://www.attractionsource.com/community/the-team/ established team] of web designers, 'creators', and media personnel. They cover various topics, from trip reports, news, construction in the making, guides, and more. I would most definitely avoid guides and trip reports, these would not fly in an article for factual reporting. They seem to have [https://www.attractionsource.com/2022/11/25/thorpe-park-resort-submit-information-to-discharge-project-exodus-planning-conditions/ a good breakdown] for upcoming attractions through their paperwork. Professional appearance and reporting appear valid. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

=== Pixels at the Park === 
For reference, PatP can be found [https://web.archive.org/web/20161217224809/http://www.pixelsattheparks.com/ archived here]; comments go below here:
*'''Best to avoid''' Pixels at the Park as being an enthusiast account of construction updates of central Florida theme parks. PatP closed sometime in the 2010s as fast as it was started, and I had noticed them in the past for their reporting on Busch Gardens Tampa construction. Their team was [https://web.archive.org/web/20150809000825/http://www.pixelsattheparks.com/who-is-pixels-at-the-parks/ made up of general enthusiast reporters] that were slowly tacked on during the years. Reporting seems reasonably reliable, but it is one of those situations where the construction updates were commonplace that it is not encyclopedic to utilize. Best leave this in the internet archive for enthusiasts to enjoy, not the encyclopedia. 
:Addendum, their owner, [https://twitter.com/bobwadd1 Bob], also raves to different companies over [[Twitter]] about minute nonsensical garbage. Seems like reporting was better time served than complaining about a hostess at Cracker Barrel. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

=== InterPark ===
For reference, IP can be found [https://interpark.co.uk/ here]; comments go below here:
*Generally '''Reliable''', as InterPark is an established magazine with ties in the amusement industry, being a business-to-business consortium. Their reporting appears to be reliable, with a [https://interpark.co.uk/magazine/ print magazine] on international theme park topics, including the Middle East and China, which is fairly unique for a public magazine on the amusement industry (also makes a tremendous page-flipping sound). A lot of the online face-valued content is handled by a [https://interpark.co.uk/author/int-admin/ David Whitworth] having an established background in sports, news, and editorial oversight. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 17:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

== Tron Lightcycle article ==

[[Tron Lightcycle Power Run]] was named after the first coaster that opened in Shanghai Disneyland. Now that the second installation has a different version of the name, should we look at moving this article to something like [[Tron Lightcycle (roller coaster)]]? I could maybe see [[Tron Lightcycle Run]] as well, since both rides have a slightly different variation of that name. Plus sources like [https://www.tampabay.com/life-culture/2023/03/14/we-rode-tron-rollercoaster-magic-kingdom-disney-worlds-newest-ride/ this one] use that exact phrasing. Thoughts? -- [[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 04:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

== Re-organization of [[Six Flags Hurricane Harbor]] article ==

I've opened a discussion on the talk page ([[Talk:Six Flags Hurricane Harbor#WP:TNT this article|link]]) about addressing multiple issues within the article about the chain, and would like the input of members from WikiProject Amusement Parks. Thanks! --[[User:Harobouri|<em style="font-family:Burbank;color:darkblue">Harobouri</em>]] • [[User talk:Harobouri|🎢]]  • [[Special:Contributions/Harobouri|🏗️]] <small> (he/him) </small>  19:11, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

== Flag removal ==
Please feel free to weigh in at [[Talk:List of roller coaster rankings#Flag removal]] with your thoughts on whether flags belong or should be removed from lists such as this one. Thank you. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 19:20, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

== Project-independent quality assessments ==

Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]], but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent [[WP:Village pump (proposals)/Archive_198#Project-independent_quality_assessments|Village pump proposal]] was approved and has been implemented to add a {{para|class}} parameter to {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{tl|WPBannerMeta}} a new {{para|QUALITY_CRITERIA|custom}} parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] ([[User talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 13:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

== Requested move at [[Talk:Safari Off Road Adventure#Requested move 7 June 2023]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Safari Off Road Adventure#Requested move 7 June 2023]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:CapnJackSp|Captain Jack Sparrow]] ([[User talk:CapnJackSp|talk]]) 12:00, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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== FA review: Iron Gwazi ==

{{u|Adog}} has submitted [[Iron Gwazi]] for FA review and could use a couple more participants! If you have time to pitch in, please add your comments at [[WP:Featured article candidates/Iron Gwazi/archive1]]. Thank you! [[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 19:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:Just providing an update that the article passed the FA review and will be listed as [[WP:TFA|Today's featured article]] on September 25, 2023. Congrats to {{u|Adog}} for the time and effort involved in getting this promoted! --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 15:51, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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== AFD at [[Vichy Water Park]] ==

There's an AFD out there at [[WP:Articles for deletion/Vichy Water Park]]. I thought y'all at Wikiproject Amusement Parks might be interested in this. — '''[[User:Prodraxis|Prodraxis]]''' {[[User talk:Prodraxis|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Prodraxis|contributions]]} (she/her) 00:29, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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==[[Draft:American Heartland Theme Park]]==
I recently created a draft for the planned [[Draft:American Heartland Theme Park|American Heartland Theme Park]]. Any help would be appreciated.
[[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 04:57, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

:{{reply|Thriley}} Hey! I heard about this recently. I am not sure if there is much to add. The amusement park was just announced, and, as such, plans can change massively. It might need to be draft-ified until construction starts because amusement parks can fail before anything physically happens and would not likely pass [[WP:GNG]] at this time. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 02:35, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

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== Good article reassessment for [[Rougarou (roller coaster)]] ==
[[Rougarou (roller coaster)]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Rougarou (roller coaster)/1 |reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 03:37, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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== Requested move at [[Talk:Nitro (Imagicaa)#Requested move 4 March 2024]] ==
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Disney Studio 1#Requested move 26 April 2024]] ==
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== Seeking input on a company merger ==
[[Six Flags]] and [[Cedar Fair]] are merging, and the combined company will be called Six Flags. Both articles have extensive histories. Merging both articles would be difficult to do. Need some ideas on how to best proceed once the merger is complete in 2024. Please see [[Talk:Six Flags#Merge with Cedar Fair]]. Thank you! --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 17:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

:I would hold off on a standalone article until the company merge is complete and there are substantial reliable sources. A merger between Six Flags and Cedar Fair is unprecedented in contemporary history, and could collapse before any actual merge occurs or is finished. [[User:Adog|<span style="color:#00A2FF">'''Adog'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Talk'''</span>]]・[[Special:Contributions/Adog|<span style="color:#947867">'''Cont'''</span>]])</small> 21:53, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

::"{{tq|I would hold off on a standalone article until the company merge is complete}}"
::Correct. This is inherently understood as a precondition before any new article is created or an existing article is renamed. A lot can happen before it's finalized. The linked discussion above (which WP:APARKS members are encouraged to participate in) is more about a preemptive understanding of how something like this is typically handled, and not so much about agreeing on an action that we have to do ''now''. Thanks! --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 14:11, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

== Image assistance ==
Anyone who likes to add images (and has the time) might be interested in adding one at [[Iron Menace]]. Thank you. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 15:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

== About [[2024 in amusement parks]] ==

If there is anyone interested in working on the [[Draft:2024 in amusement parks|2024 in amusement parks]] article, feel free to do so. If there are any amusement park anniversaries that you guys know of, feel free to add it to the article. Same goes for any closures, relocations, refurbishments, or openings. [[Special:Contributions/217.180.201.143|217.180.201.143]] ([[User talk:217.180.201.143|talk]]) 17:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)