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== Paul Abrahamian ==

Project members are welcome to help with the newly-created article for [[Paul Abrahamian]]. Thanks! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 03:54, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

== Renaming ''Big Brother'' season articles to align with WP:NCTV  ==
{{Ping|OfficerAPC}} brought up the topic of adding ''TV series'' to individual ''Big Brother # (U.S.)'' articles to bring them in line with [[WP:NCTV]] over at [[Talk:Celebrity Big Brother (U.S. TV series)#Big Brother endgame template|over at the Celebrity Big Brother U.S. talk page]] however after reading the gudelines they would actually need to be changed to ''Big Brother (U.S. season #)'' instead and this would actually need to apply to ''Big Brother'' as a whole since all various season articles are using different naming conventions for individual seasons. Here is a table listed below of each of the various editions and current naming convention used. In order to bring all articles in line with [[WP:NCTV]] & [[WP:TVSEASON]] the majority of pages will need to have their titles changed:

{| class="wikitable"
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! Franchise/Version !! Current naming convention !! New naming convention under [[WP:NCTV]]/[[WP:TVSEASON]]
|-
| [[Big Brother Africa]] || ''Big Brother Africa #'' || ''Big Brother Africa (season #)''
|-
| [[Big Brother Albania]] || ''Big Brother # (Albania)'' || ''Big Brother (Albania season #)''
|-
| [[Big Brother Angola]] || ''Big Brother Angola (season #)'' (Seasons 1 & 2) || '''No change'''
|-
| [[Gran Hermano Argentina]] || ''Gran Hermano Argentina'' (series article)<hr/>''Gran Hermano Argentina (season #)'' (Seasons 6-9)|| ''Gran Hermano (Argentina TV series)'' (series article)<hr/>''Gran Hermano (Argentina season #)'' (Seasons 6-9)
|-
| [[Big Brother (Australian TV series)]] || ''Big Brother # (Australia)'' || ''Big Brother (Australia season #)'' 
|-
| [[Veliki brat]] (Regional [[Balkans]] version)|| ''Veliki brat (year)''<hr/>''Veliki brat VIP #'' || ''Veliki brat (season #)''<hr/>''Veliki brat VIP (season #)''
|-
| [[Big Brother (Belgian TV series)]] || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|-
| [[Big Brother Brasil]] || ''Big Brother Brasil #'' || ''Big Brother Brasil (season #)''
|-
| [[Big Brother (Bulgaria)]] || ''Big Brother (Bulgaria)''<hr/>''Big Brother # (Bulgaria)''<hr/>''VIP Brother #''<hr/>''Big Brother All Stars (year #)''|| ''Big Brother (Bulgaria TV series)''<hr/>''Big Brother (Bulgaria season #)''<hr/>''VIP Brother (Bulgaria season #)''<hr/>''Big Brother All Stars (Bulgaria season #)''
|-
| All Canadian series & seasons || colspan=2 | '''No change''' all Canadian articles follow established guidelines under under [[WP:NCTV]] & [[WP:TVSEASON]]
|-
| [[Big Brother (Croatian TV series)]] || ''Big Brother # (Croatia)'' || ''Big Brother (Croatia season #)''
|-
| [[Velký Bratr]] (Czech Republic) || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|-
| [[Big Brother (Danish TV series)]] || ''Big Brother # (Denmark)'' (Season 4-6 only) || ''Big Brother (Denmark season #)'' (Season 4-6 only)
|-
| [[Gran Hermano (Ecuadorian TV series)]] || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|-
| [[Big Brother (Finnish TV series)]] || ''Big Brother (year #) (Finland)'' || ''Big Brother (Finland season #)''
|-
| [[Secret Story (French TV series)]] || ''Secret Story # (France)'' || ''''Secret Story (France season #)'' 
|-
| [[Big Brother Germany]] || colspan=2 | '''No change''' all articles follow established guidelines under under [[WP:NCTV]] & [[WP:TVSEASON]]
|-
| [[Big Brother (Greek TV series)]] || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|-
| [[Való Világ]] (Hungarian series combined with ''Big Brother'') || ''Való Világ 8'' (only season) || ''Való Világ (season 8)'' (only season)
|-
| [[Bigg Boss]] (India) || ''Bigg Boss''<hr>''Bigg Boss #'' || ''Bigg Boss (Indian TV series)''<hr>''Bigg Boss (India season #)''
|-
| [[Bigg Boss Kannada]] (India) || ''Bigg Boss Kannada''<hr>''Bigg Boss Kannada #'' || ''Bigg Boss (Kannada TV series)''<hr>''Bigg Boss (Kannada season #)''
|-
| [[Bigg Boss Bangla]] (India) || ''Bigg Boss Bangla'' || ''Bigg Boss (Bangla TV series)'' (no separate season articles)
|-
| [[Bigg Boss Tamil]] (India) || ''Bigg Boss Tamil''<hr>''Bigg Boss Tamil (season 1)'' || ''Bigg Boss (Tamil TV series)''<hr>''Bigg Boss (Tamil season #)''
|-
| [[Bigg Boss Telugu]] (India) || ''Bigg Boss Telugu''<hr>''Bigg Boss Telugu (season 1)'' || ''Bigg Boss (Telugu TV series)''<hr>''Bigg Boss (Telugu season #)''
|-
| [[Bigg Boss Marathi]] (India) || ''Bigg Boss Marathi'' || ''Bigg Boss (Marathi TV series)'' (no separate season articles)
|-
| [[Big Brother (Indonesian TV series)]] || ''Big Brother 1 (Indonesia)'' || ''Big Brother (Indonesia season 1)''
|-
| [[HaAh HaGadol]] (Israel) || ''HaAh HaGadol #''<hr/>''HaAh HaGadol VIP #'' || ''HaAh HaGadol (season #)''<hr/>''HaAh HaGadol VIP (season #)''
|-
| [[Grande Fratello]] || colspan=2|'''No change''' all articles follow established guidelines under under [[WP:NCTV]] & [[WP:TVSEASON]]
|-
| [[Secret Story (Lithuanian TV series)]] || colspan=2| Shouldn't this go by its official localized name ''[[Paslapčių namai]]''?
|-
| [[Big Brother México]] || ''[[Big Brother México 2015 (Season 4)]]'' (only season article) || ''Big Brother México (season 4)''
|-
| [[Big Brother (Dutch TV series)]] || ''Big Brother # (Netherlands)'' || ''Big Brother (Netherlands season #)'' 
|-
| [[Big Brother Naija]] || colspan=2|'''No change''' all articles follow established guidelines under under [[WP:NCTV]] & [[WP:TVSEASON]]
|-
| [[Big Brother Norway]] || colspan=2 | Shouldn't this go by its official localized name ''[[Big Brother Norge]]''?
|-
| [[Gran Hermano del Pacífico]] || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|-
| [[Big Brother Panamá]] || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|-
| [[Secret Story (Peruvian TV series)]] || colspan=2| Shouldn't this go by its official localized name ''[[La casa de los secretos]]''?
|-
| [[Pinoy Big Brother]] || colspan=2|'''No change''' all articles follow established guidelines under under [[WP:NCTV]] & [[WP:TVSEASON]]
|-
| [[Big Brother (Polish TV series)]] || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|-
| [[Big Brother (Portuguese TV series)]] || ''[[Big Brother VIP 3 (Portugal)]]'' || ''[[Big Brother VIP (Portugal season 3)]]'' (only separate season article for this edition)
|-
| [[Secret Story (Portuguese TV series)]] || ''Secret Story (Portuguese TV series)''<hr/>''Secret Story # (Portugal)''<hr/>''Secret Story: Desafio Final 1'' || Shouldn't this go by its official localized name ''[[Secret Story Casa dos Segredos]]''?<hr/>''Secret Story A Casa dos Segredos (season #)<hr/>''Secret Story A Casa dos Segredos: Desafio Final (season #) 
|-
| [[Big Brother (Romanian TV series)]] || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|-
| [[Big Brother (Russian TV series)]] || colspan=2 | Shouldn't this go by its official localized name ''[[Bolshoy Brat]]''?
|-
| [[Big Brother (Sweden and Norway)]] || ''Big Brother 2014 (Norway & Sweden)'' (only season article) || ''Big Brother (Sweden and Norway season 3)''
|-
| [[Big Brother (Slovak TV series)]] || colspan=2 | Shouldn't this go by its official localized name ''[[Big Brother Súboj]]''?
|-
| [[Big Brother (Slovenian TV series)]] || ''Big Brother # (Slovenia)'' || ''Big Brother (Slovenia season #)''
|-
| [[Big Brother (South African TV series)]] || ''Big Brother Mzansi # (South Africa)''|| ''Big Brother Mzansi (season #)''
|-
| [[Gran Hermano (Spanish TV series)]] || ''Gran Hermano Spain (season #)'' or ''Gran Hermano # (Spain)''<hr/>''Gran Hermano VIP #'' || ''Gran Hermano (Spain season #)''<hr/>''Gran Hermano VIP (Spain season #)
|-
| [[Big Brother Sverige]] (Sweden) || ''Big Brother [year #] (Sweden) || ''Big Brother Sverige (season #)''
|-
| [[Big Brother (Swiss TV series)]] || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|-
| [[Big Brother Thailand]] || colspan=2|'''No change''' all articles follow established guidelines under under [[WP:NCTV]] & [[WP:TVSEASON]]
|-
| [[Big Brother Türkiye]] || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|-
| [[Big Brother (Ukrainian TV series)]] || ''[[Big Brother 1 (Ukraine)]]'' || ''Big Brother (Ukraine season 1)'' or merge with ''Big Brother (Ukrainian TV series)'' and rename it to the localized name ''Big Brother Україна''
|-
| [[Big Brother (UK TV series)]]|| ''Big Brother # (UK)'' <hr/> ''Celebrity Big Brother # (UK)'' <hr/> ''[[Teen Big Brother: The Experiment]]'' || ''Big Brother (UK series #)'' <hr/> ''Celebrity Big Brother (UK series #)'' <hr/> ''Teen Big Brother''
|-
| [[Big Brother (U.S. TV series)]] || ''Big Brother # (U.S.) <hr/> ''Celebrity Big Brother # (U.S.)'' <hr/> ''[[Gran Hermano USA]]'' || ''Big Brother (U.S. season #)'' <hr/> ''Celebrity Big Brother (U.S. season #)'' <hr/> ''Gran Hermano (U.S. TV series)''
|-
| [[Người giấu mặt]] (Vietnam) || colspan=2 | '''No change needed no season articles'''
|}

So as we can see this will be a massive undertaking, we also need to figure out if the localized name is preferred over ''Big Brother (Country TV series)'' as per [[WP:NCTV]]. What is everyone's thoughts? '''[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #ED9121;">♪♫Al</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #008000;">ucard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Alucard 16|<span style="color: #0000FF">16♫♪</span>]]''' 20:12, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

:I feel like this is a great idea and needs to be done. However I feel this could be better handled under a move request. I know it would be a lot of work to file but I'd be willing to be the one to do it. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 20:52, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

::When we discussed the [[Celebrity Big Brother (U.S. TV series)]] article, consensus ruled [[WP:NCTV]] is superior to [[WP:BIGBROTHER]]; therefore, articles must be named based on the former. [[User:OfficerAPC|OfficerAPC]] ([[User talk:OfficerAPC|talk]]) 21:28, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

:::Agreed but prior to that I believe the move was considered controversial that's why there was move request filed and I believe this one could be considered controversial too that's why I suggested filing one. In all due respect [[WP:BIGBROTHER]] should actually be changed to respect [[WP:NCTV]]. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 21:52, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Seems to me like it is unnecessary to include "season" spelled out like that... adding extra words. Big Brother 19 was actually officially named that.. it wasn't Big Brother US Season 19... i'm pretty sure that is the reason for the current naming conventions as we should follow the official names of the shows. These arent like seasons of NCIS where they have a continuing cast of characters, no one really calls it season 19.. it's just BB19. [[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 03:34, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::I understand your point {{Ping|Spanneraol}} but during the whole discussion about the name for [[Celebrity Big Brother (U.S.) TV series]] it was established that the guideline set by [[WP:NCTV]] should be used and [[WP:BIGBRO]] can't override that. They even have examples like with [[The Apprentice (U.S. TV series)]] all seasons follow ''The Apprentice (U.S. season x)'' which includes the celebrity versions because NBC counted all seasons of ''The Celebrity Apprentice'' as a season of ''The Apprentice''. Also once the summer season for UK will launch in 2018 there will be two ''Big Brother 19'' articles. The UK and US versions, as per [[WP:TVSEASON]] the articles should be named as ''Big Brother (UK series 19)'' and ''Big Brother (U.S. season 19)'' and in the lead establish that the name if the season is ''Big Brother 19''. '''[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #ED9121;">♪♫Al</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #008000;">ucard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Alucard 16|<span style="color: #0000FF">16♫♪</span>]]''' 04:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

:Comment only, but per [[WP:TVSEASON]], a format for season articles like "Big Brother #" is fine (there is the example of [[The Amazing Race]]. What should be looked at is whether that is the common name used when talking about that show's seasons and if it works out for consistent disambiguation among all the other BB versions.  -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]]  06:01, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Netoholic}} The thing I was unsure of is if having a naming convention like ''Big Brother # (Country)'' is acceptable under [[WP:TVSEASON]]. For a better example I'm going to use [[Big Brother 5]] there is currently six ''Big Brother'' articles that share the name ''Big Brother 5'' and to disambiguate them the country's name is added at the end. The articles I'm referring to are [[Big Brother 5 (Albania)]], [[Big Brother 5 (Bulgaria)]], [[Big Brother 5 (Croatia)]], [[Big Brother 5 (Netherlands)]], [[Big Brother 5 (UK)]] & [[Big Brother 5 (U.S.)]]. 
::This is where I thought that having ''Big Brother ([Country] season 5)'' would be more appropriate and would align better with [[WP:TVSEASON]] guidelines based on ''The Apprentice '' example. I saw the bit about ''The Amazing Race'' but the thing is with that show all the international versions have either a localized name or already have the name of the country in the title like ''The Amazing Race Australia'' in which no further disambiguation was needed. '''[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #ED9121;">♪♫Al</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #008000;">ucard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Alucard 16|<span style="color: #0000FF">16♫♪</span>]]''' 07:28, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
:::The Apprentice never went by "The Apprentice 3" etc.. it was always just The Apprentice, while Big Brother and Amazing Race use the number as part of the title. Big Brother 19 (US TV Series) makes a lot more sense to me than the way you are describing it. Its like Survivor.. we dont describe them as seasons because each has its own title.. [[Survivor: Redemption Island]] instead of [[Survivor (US TV Series, season 22:Redemption Island)]].. its essentially the same thing except the # is the subtitle. [[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 13:45, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Spanneraol}} In press releases and upfronts NBC used to refer to earlier seasons of ''The Apprentice'' as ''The Apprentice 2'' [http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2004/05/17/2004-broadcast-upfront-presentations-nbc-part-1-16599/6583/ for example]. Survivor is different because each season has its own unique name and is noted in [[WP:TVSEASON]]. A title like ''Big Brother 19 (US TV series)'' because it a season, part of an existing TV series not its own outright TV show. The goal here is to ensure all ''Big Brother'' articles worldwide are using titles in accordance with [[WP:NCTV]]. Like I mentioned there are 6 different articles for a ''Big Brother 5'' that aired in 6 different countries. If using ''Big Brother # (Country)'' is okay under [[WP:NCTV]] guidelines then nothing has to be done. But with ''Big Brother'' there are multiple countries that their local edition is simply known as ''Big Brother'' and their seasons are named like the US seasons are (''Big Brother 2'', ''Big Brother 3'', etc.) so that is why in my understanding those sharing a similar names would be renamed like ''Big Brother (Country season 2)''. Here is the part of WP:NCTV that lead me to this understanding:
::::{{Quote
|text=If there are multiple shows of the same name, include the disambiguation, similar to the above for TV series in the season description, for example, "The Apprentice (U.S. season 1)" and "The Apprentice (UK series one)". Similar names should continue even if one version of the show has several more seasons than the other; for example, in the case of the above, the U.S. version of The Apprentice has had four more seasons than the UK version, but the naming continues up through all of them, including "The Apprentice (U.S. season 11)". Hatnotes should be used to provide links to the other shows' existing season pages if needed.}}
::::So if further disambiguation is needed that is the preferred format. Not ''Big Brother 5 (U.S. TV series)'' or ''Big Brother 5 (U.S. TV season)''. So from this titles like ''[[Big Brother Brasil 5]]'' are good and require no further action because the title is unique. (Heck even the Canadian articles which use ''Big Brother Canada (season #)'' could be moved to ''Big Brother Canada #'' which is their name.) The discussion is what to do with the 6+ versions where the name of the program is simply ''Big Brother'' and their individual articles are titled as ''Big Brother # (Country)'' and if that is acceptable for [[WP:NCTV]]. '''[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #ED9121;">♪♫Al</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #008000;">ucard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Alucard 16|<span style="color: #0000FF">16♫♪</span>]]''' 17:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::I think Big Brother 5 (UK) and Big Brother 5 (US) makes perfect sense... there is no reason to further disamb by including season.. again Big Brother 5 IS the title of the show and anyone searching for it would type it in that manner.. adding the country signifier afterwards makes perfect sense.  Why is there a need to change it? I'd argue that they dont violate the guidelines.. in fact the link you mention even includes Amazing Race 8 as an example. Apprentice was never labelled in on-air credits by any number designation like Big Brother and Amazing Race are. [[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 19:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

=== Discussion at [[Talk:Celebrity Big Brother 1 (U.S.)#Requested move 28 May 2018]] ===
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[Talk:Celebrity Big Brother 1 (U.S.)#Requested move 28 May 2018]].  This concerns a mass-move request for articles under [[WP:BIGBROTHER]], and [[WP:NCTV]]. --[[User:IJBall|IJBall]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/IJBall|contribs]] • [[User talk:IJBall|talk]])</small> 16:10, 28 May 2018 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->
:Since the result of the discussion was a "hung jury" (no consensus), we should discuss it further in separate versions. [[User:OfficerAPC|OfficerAPC]] ([[User talk:OfficerAPC|talk]]) 01:46, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

=== Discussion at [[Talk:Big Brother Africa 1#Requested move 21 June 2018]] ===
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[Talk:Big Brother Africa 1#Requested move 21 June 2018]].  I also listed similar move discussions at [[Talk:Big Brother Angola (season 1)#Requested move 21 June 2018]], [[Talk:Gran Hermano Argentina#Requested move 21 June 2018]] and [[Talk:Big Brother 1 (Australia)#Requested move 21 June 2018]] to see how breaking each edition out into its own move request would work. '''[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #ED9121;">♪♫Al</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #008000;">ucard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Alucard 16|<span style="color: #0000FF">16♫♪</span>]]''' 06:55, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->
: I submitted the last of the non-controversial move requests today in relation to ''Big Brother'' articles that do not follow the guidelines of [[WP:NCTV]] and has no source for their current names. 
:*[[Talk:Veliki brat 2006#Requested move 21 June 2018]]
:*[[Talk:Big Brother 1 (Croatia)#Requested move 21 June 2018]]
:*[[Talk:Big Brother 4 (Denmark)#Requested move 21 June 2018]]
:*[[Talk:Secret Story 1 (France)#Requested move 21 June 2018]]
:*[[Talk:Bigg Boss#Requested move 21 June 2018]]
:*[[Talk:Big Brother 1 (Netherlands)#Requested move 21 June 2018]]
:*[[Talk:Big Brother 2011 (Sweden)#Requested move 21 June 2018]]
:*[[Talk:Big Brother Mzansi 3 (South Africa)#Requested move 21 June 2018]]
:*[[Talk:Secret Story (Peruvian TV series)#Requested move 21 June 2018]]
:The ones above should be pretty straightforward and were [[Talk:Celebrity Big Brother 1 (U.S.)#Requested move 28 May 2018|not debated during the last move request]]. After all of these are settled then we can figure out the next step for the debated editions. '''[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #ED9121;">♪♫Al</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #008000;">ucard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Alucard 16|<span style="color: #0000FF">16♫♪</span>]]''' 23:43, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

=== Discussion in regards to ''Big Brother Albania'' ===

{{Ping|IJBall}} {{Ping|OfficerAPC}} {{Ping|TheDoctorWho}} Giving a ping to y'all about this question. So before I post a move request in regards to ''Big Brother Albania'' I thought that for this edition it would be best to get a discussion going pre-move request in order to determine the best way to handle this edition. As per [http://top-channel.tv/video/festa-e-pazakonte-e-big-brother-9/ this video] from the broadcaster Top Channel it is clear they do use numbers to individually name the seasons. The video in question is in regards to the [[Big Brother 9 (Albania)|ninth season]]. In [http://top-channel.tv/2018/01/16/ambra-me-penalizoi-ne-big-brother/ this article] in the first sentence the overall show is referred to as ''Big Brother Albania''. From the broadcaster's YouTube channel I also found an advertisement for the ninth season which supports the current naming convention as well but at the same time does mention the overall show is ''Big Brother Albania''. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UY2Z--6OKs] So I'm at a loss here on what to do with this show. Should we rename the season articles like ''Big Brother Albania 9'' or ''Big Brother 9 (Albania TV season)'' '''[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #ED9121;">♪♫Al</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #008000;">ucard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Alucard 16|<span style="color: #0000FF">16♫♪</span>]]''' 19:48, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
: A wider discussion needs to be held on these ones, like the U.S. and UK versions. And by that, I mean wider than WP:BIGBRO. Probably even wider than [[WP:NCTV]]. So, I don't know what forum to hold this discussion in (maybe one of the Village Pumps?...). But we need to tackle these ones, once and for all. (Note, though – however this wider discussion goes, it doesn't change the fact that many of the other country BB editions – e.g. Big Brother Australia, Big Brother Africa, etc. – are incorrectly named "under WP:BIGBRO's naming convention", no matter what!) --[[User:IJBall|IJBall]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/IJBall|contribs]] • [[User talk:IJBall|talk]])</small> 20:04, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
: At the moment, there are four editions of Big Brother being discussed regarding their article titles.  We should wait on discussing Big Brother Albania, as its discussion is expected to be complicated given the circumstances. [[User:OfficerAPC|OfficerAPC]] ([[User talk:OfficerAPC|talk]]) 20:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

=== Discussion at [[ Talk:HaAh HaGadol 1#Requested move 20 June 2018 ]] ===
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[ Talk:HaAh HaGadol 1#Requested move 20 June 2018 ]].  This request was opened up by another editor to fix a potential error in the spelling of the articles relating to the [[HaAh HaGadol|Israeli version of Big Brother]]. More input needed on this request to move before another move request can be opened to rename these articles in accordance with the guidelines of [[WP:NCTV]] '''[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #ED9121;">♪♫Al</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color: #008000;">ucard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Alucard 16|<span style="color: #0000FF">16♫♪</span>]]''' 22:48, 21 June 2018 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->

=== Discussion at [[Talk:Big Brother: Over the Top#Requested move 12 July 2018]] ===
I opened up a discussion that is similar to the one on Celebrity Big Brother (U.S. TV series); you are invited to share your thoughts. [[User:OfficerAPC|OfficerAPC]] ([[User talk:OfficerAPC|talk]]) 18:31, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

==Discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bigg Boss (franchise)]]==
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bigg Boss (franchise)]].  [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 05:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->

==Discussion at [[ Talk:VIP Brother 1#Requested move 28 November 2018]]==
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[ Talk:VIP Brother 1#Requested move 28 November 2018]].  '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 03:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->

==Discussion at [[ Talk:Big Brother 2005 (Finland)#Requested move 28 November 2018 ]]==
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[ Talk:Big Brother 2005 (Finland)#Requested move 28 November 2018 ]].  '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 07:52, 28 November 2018 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->

== Discussion about [[Template:Big Brother housemates]] and [[Template:Big Brother endgame]] ==
{{Discussion top|reason=The result of [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 December 5#Big Brother season templates|this discussion]] was to '''replace''' [[Template:Big Brother housemates]], [[Template:Big Brother endgame]] and [[Template:Big Brother endgame]] with the custom module [[Template:Infobox reality competition season]] that is part of [[Template:Infobox television season]]. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 14:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC)}}
Heya everyone so I was following a recent discussion about [[Template:Infobox reality show candidates]] in which the outcome was to delete the template. (Read the [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 November 13#Template:Infobox reality show candidates|discussion here]].) 

Essentially this was mainly used on [[The Apprentice (UK TV series)]] series articles and was almost identical to WP:BIGBRO's [[Template:Big Brother endgame]]. Since this template was deleted it got me thinking about the templates used for ''Big Brother'' articles and honestly if they were brought up for discussion by non WP:BIGBRO editors I don't think they would survive. From my understanding of the discussion having a list of contestants in the infobox is discouraged (which is exactly what the ''Big Brother'' infoboxes do) and they omit other information normally found in infoboxes. 

My proposal for an alternative is instead of using those two infoboxes we could replace them with a custom infobox similar to [[Template:Infobox television Survivor]] (which would be ''Big Brother''{{'}}s closest equivalent) and modify it to fit ''Big Brother''. Like instead of "castaways" it would say "Housemates" for all versions except North America where it would say "HouseGuests", under release we can add "Original network" above "Original release", filming dates can stay since some are pre-recorded editions like China's pilot season, etc. This change would bring WP:BIGBRO more in line with our parent project [[WP:TV]]. 

Since we wouldn't have [[Template:Big Brother endgame]] at the top of articles;  editions that have made the change over to using a [[Celebrity Big Brother 1 (U.S.)#HouseGuests|table]] for the ''HouseGuests'' / ''Housemates'' sections can easily add a "Finish" column to the table which would replace the older infoboxes. If the article is using [[Celebrity Big Brother 22 (UK)#Housemates|sections and prose]] then their place and finish can be noted there. 

What do you all think? I honestly believe we should try to resolve this first before someone who doesn't edit ''Big Brother'' articles puts these templates up for discussion which could leave us with the generic [[Template:Infobox television season]].  '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 09:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alucard 16}} After reading the discussion I personally think this is a great idea. A finish column would definitely have to be added to a HouseGuest's table (or in the respective section if no table exists) to pull this off. I also think that a couple of other parameters could be added (like a runner-up and/or America's Favorite HouseGuest column for at least use in U.S. articles where winning those titles are quite prominent, or of course other parameters for important country-specific details). I could draft something up in a sandbox real quick?? [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 00:59, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|TheDoctorWho}} After I proposed it I checked with {{U|Gonnym}} about creating a separate infobox since he is more familiar with [[WP:TV]]'s Manual of Style than I am (which I should have done prior to proposing this {{frown}}). Gonnym suggested we use [[Template:Infobox television season]] but create a custom module for ''Big Brother'' that would place all ''Big Brother'' specific information between the {{para|starring}} and {{para|country}} parameters. I asked him to create us an example with the following parameters:
::*Presenter <s>(Most international versions use the term presenter and in North America it is used interchangeably with host. If needed we can customize this so for American & English Canadian it says Host instead of Presenter.)</s> ''(See note from Gonnym below)''
::*Number of days
::*Number of housemates (for American & English Canadian there is a switch so it will say Number of houseguests)
::*Winner and Runner-Up
::*Custom parameter (For American articles used for ''America's Favorite Juror'', ''America's Player'', ''America's Favorite Houseguest'' other editors can customize this at will with a consensus for other editions as needed.)
::*Companion show (If the companion show like [[Big Brother: After Dark]] has its own article or is included on another article like [[List of Big Brother (UK) shows]] or [[Big Brother Canada#Spin-offs]].)
::Here are two examples of how the infobox would look based on the most common usage. 
::The first one is the American/Canadian style using [[Big Brother 20 (U.S.)]]. For editions that use subtitles for all their seasons (like [[Big Brother Angola]]) or use a form of disambiguation that is not the standard [[WP:NCTV]] format of <code>TV Show (Country season #)</code> or <code>TV Show Country (season #)</code> (like [[Big Brother Brasil]]) editors will have to continue inputting the seasons in manually using the {{para|prev_season}} and {{para|next_season}} parameters.
{{collapse top|title=Proposal #1 - North American season articles (updated 09:20, 1 December 2018 (UTC))}}
{{Infobox television season/sandbox
| season_name          = Big Brother 20 (U.S.)
| season_qualifier     = 
| season_type          = season
| bgcolour             = <!-- Colours used must meet the contrast requirements of WP:COLOR. -->
| image                = Example-serious.jpg
| caption              = ''Big Brother 20'' logo
| module1              = {{User:Gonnym/sandboxBigBrother/infobox
| child                = yes
| host                 = [[Julie Chen|Julie Chen Moonves]]
| number_days          = 99
| number_houseguests   = 16
| winner               = Kaycee Clark
| runner_ups           = {{Plainlist|
* Tyler Crispen
* JC Mounduix
}}
| label1               = America's Favorite Houseguest
| data1                = Tyler Crispen
| companion_shows      = {{Plainlist|
* ''[[Off the Block with Ross and Marissa|Off the Block]]''
* ''{{nowrap|[[Big Brother: After Dark]]}}''
}}
}}
| country              = United States
| num_episodes         = 40
| network              = CBS
| first_aired          = {{Start date|2018|06|27}}
| last_aired           = {{End date|2018|09|26}}
| prev_season          = [[Big Brother 19 (U.S.)|Big Brother 19]]
}}
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::As we are unwinding [[WP:BIGBRO]]'s old naming conventions and aligning them with [[WP:NCTV]] through various small [[WP:RM]]s alot of editions are now following the standard [[WP:NCTV]] format of <code>TV Show (Country season #)</code> or <code>TV Show Country (season #)</code>. This actually has a benefit because [[Template:Infobox television season]] will automatically link the seasons together now and keeps everything more up to date. 
{{collapse top|title=Proposal #1 - International articles (updated 09:20, 1 December 2018 (UTC))}}
{{Infobox television season/sandbox
| show_name            = Big Brother
| pre_season_qualifier = 
| season_qualifier     = Australian
| season_type          = season
| season_number        = 7
| bgcolour             = <!-- Colours used must meet the contrast requirements of WP:COLOR. -->
| image                = Example-serious.jpg
| caption              = Season seven logo
| module1              = {{User:Gonnym/sandboxBigBrother/infobox
| child                = yes
| presenter            = [[Gretel Killeen]]
| number_days          = 100
| number_housemates    = 24
| winner               = Aleisha Cowcher
| runner_up            = Zach Douglas
| companion_shows      = {{Plainlist|
* ''[[List of Big Brother (Australian TV series) shows#Big Brother Nominations|Big Brother Nominations]]''
* ''[[List of Big Brother (Australian TV series) shows#UpLate|Big Brother: UpLate]]''
* ''[[List of Big Brother (Australian TV series) shows#Friday Night Live|Friday Night Live]]''
}}
}}
| country              = Australia
| num_episodes         = 
| network              = Network Ten
| first_aired          = {{Start date|2007|04|28|df=y}}
| last_aired           = {{End date|2007|07|21|df=y}}
}}
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::I also put together some additional examples in [[User:Alucard 16/sandbox5|a sandbox]] with some example documentation on how the module could be used. {{U|TheDoctorWho}} is there any parameters that should be added? '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 11:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

:A few notes:
* There are singular and plural parameters for fields that need them. So for example, if a season has one host present, use {{para|presenter}}, but if it has two or more, use {{para|presenters}} - this is just a style fix that removes the horrible x(s) naming style ("presenter(s)").
* Any naming usage that needs a difference between US/British use is easy to fix. So, {{para|host}} will replace {{para|presenter}}, but both cannot be used on the same infobox. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 14:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
::Ah cool thanks Gonnym! I adjusted the example proposals above to reflect this (i.e. The American proposal now says Host and uses {{para|runner-ups}} as an example) and fixed both to say "Companion shows". '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 09:25, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Alucard 16}} I think both of those look good for now, other parameters can always be added later if we find them to be needed. Just a quick question and a point to make. After reading the discussion on {{noping|Gonnym}}'s talk page I noticed the part about <code>|film_start=</code> and <code>|film_end=</code> which you mentioned "for the few pre-recorded editions". Is that specifically for entirely pre-recorded or also for partially? For example with BB20 although it started airing on June 27th the HouseGuests moved in on June 20th which would technically be the start of filming. So would we included filming dates with that? Second thing, it may just be example but on the BB20 example that you have above you've listed both Tyler and JC as runner-ups. Don't U.S. seasons traditionally only have 1 runner-up because JC was evicted prior to Kaycee being declared the winner. I believe the only U.S. seasons that officially have two runner-ups are [[Big Brother 1 (U.S.)]] and [[Big Brother: Over the Top]]. 

{{collapse top|title=Updated U.S. Infobox for BB20 addressing my concerns above}}
{{Infobox television season/sandbox
| season_name          = Big Brother 20 (U.S.)
| season_qualifier     = 
| season_type          = season
| bgcolour             = <!-- Colours used must meet the contrast requirements of WP:COLOR. -->
| image                = Example-serious.jpg
| caption              = ''Big Brother 20'' logo
| module1              = {{User:Gonnym/sandboxBigBrother/infobox
| child                = yes
| host                 = [[Julie Chen]]
| number_days          = 99
| number_houseguests   = 16
| winner               = Kaycee Clark
| runner_up            = Tyler Crispen
| label1               = America's Favorite Houseguest
| data1                = Tyler Crispen
| companion_shows      = {{Plainlist|
* ''[[Off the Block with Ross and Marissa|Off the Block]]''
* ''{{nowrap|[[Big Brother: After Dark]]}}''
}}
}}
| country              = United States
| num_episodes         = 40
| network              = [[CBS]]
| first_aired          = {{Start date|2018|06|27}}
| last_aired           = {{End date|2018|09|26}}
| prev_season          = [[Big Brother 19 (U.S.)|Big Brother 19]]
| film_start           = {{Start date|20|06}}
| film_end             = {{End date|2018|09|26}}
}}
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:::Not really sure how to address the Chen to Chen Moonves thing because she credited herself as just Chen for the first 34 episodes of the seasons which would definitely hold majority. Also now that I'm thinking about it, if we make the change, should Big Brother: Over the Top be using this infobox or would it be better to potentially use [[Template:Big Brother sidebar]] because that article is technically about the series as a whole (even though it only ran for one season). As I'm going through this I'm thinking of more stuff so sorry if it's getting long. Do you think returning HouseGuests may be a good thing to address in the infobox? Either something along the lines of <br /><code>| number_houseguests   = 16 (1 returnee)</code> or even adding an extra parameter for it? [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 19:22, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
::::Sidebar should eventually also be replaced. [[Template:Infobox television]] exists for series articles and works perfectly for all other television articles, including reality shows. Returning houseguests should not be listed in the infobox. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 19:59, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{U|TheDoctorWho}} With the North American proposal that is just a mock-up to see how the infobox can be used. It is not meant to be the one used for ''Big Brother 20''. To answer some of your other concerns:
:::::*We can use {{para|film_start}} and {{para|film_end}} for situations like the American version as long as the start date is properly sourced in the article.
:::::*I wouldn't recommend <code>| number_houseguests   = 16 (1 returnee)</code> the goal is to keep the infoboxes as simple as possible. The Housemate/Houseguests section of the articles would be the best place to identify returnees. I don't see other reality shows doing that even [[Survivor (U.S. TV series)]] and ''Big Brother'' articles should stick with that lead. Also I'm not sure what [[WP:TV]] would think of it or if it would go against [[MOS:TV]].
:::::*I wouldn't recommend listing returning Housemates in the infobox like how Winners/Runner-ups would be listed. This could defeat the purpose of the module and could cause unnecessary debates about adding the rest of the Housemates back to the infobox. No other reality show does this as well. 
:::::*For now when it comes to spin-offs like [[Celebrity Big Brother (Australian TV series)]], [[Big Brother: Over the Top]], etc. that only have one article but are structured like season articles dependent on the main parent articles like [[Big Brother (Australian TV series)]], [[Big Brother (U.S. TV series)]], etc. I would recommend using this setup for now since they currently use [[Template:Big Brother endgame]].
:::::I hope that helps clarifies some questions about the proposal. I'm not sure what to do about the sidebars as they have a lot of information about each ''Big Brother'' series but there are some editors that do believe ''Big Brother'' series articles should adopt [[Template:Infobox television]]. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 20:21, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Gonnym|Alucard 16}} Alright, all makes sense to me. Where does this put us now towards actually implementing these changes? [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 20:36, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::::{{U|TheDoctorWho}} It will take some time, if this discussion doesn't get much more activity by December 5th then I will be taking the issue to [[WP:TfD]] requesting for the two infoboxes to be deleted and replaced by the module. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 21:35, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

=== Nomination for merging of Big Brother season templates ===
[[File:Information.svg|30px|alt=|link=]][[Template:Big Brother housemates]], [[Template:Big Brother endgame]] and  [[Template:Big Brother endgame2]] has been [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|nominated for merging]] with [[Template:Infobox television season]]. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 December 5#Template:Big Brother housemates|the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfmnotice--> '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 20:08, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
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==Discussion at [[ Talk:Gran Hermano 1 (Spain)#Requested move 1 December 2018 ]]==
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==Discussion at [[ Talk:Secret Story 1 (Portugal)#Requested move 5 December 2018 ]]==
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==Discussion at [[ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Secret Story 2010 (Greece) ]]==
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==Discussion at [[ Talk:Big Brother 1 (UK)#Requested move 22 December 2018 ]]==
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==Discussion at [[ Talk:Big Brother 1 (U.S.)#Requested move 22 December 2018 ]]==
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== TfD's that interest this project ==

You are invited to join the following discussions:
*<s>[[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_January_5#Template:Big_Brother_housemates]]</s>
*[[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_January_5#Template:Pinoy_Big_Brother_-_special_season]]
Thanks. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 05:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

== Implementation of new module to replace old infoboxes ==

{{See also|Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother/Archive 7#Discussion about Template:Big Brother housemates and Template:Big Brother endgame|Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 December 5#Big Brother season templates}}

The discussion regarding [[Template:Big Brother housemates]], [[Template:Big Brother endgame]] and [[Template:Big Brother endgame2]] closed on December 13, 2018 with the result being to create the custom module that would be part of [[Template:Infobox television season]] that will replace them. Once no articles are using the older ''Big Brother'' templates they will be deleted. 

{{Ping|TheDoctorWho|Oenix2nd}} I'm pinning y'all here since you two volunteered to help with implementing the changes to the the American/Canadian and Philippine adaptions respectively. {{U|Gonnym}} has worked hard and got the custom module working and it is located at [[Template:Infobox reality competition season]]. The reason for this name is in the future this module can also be used for similar shows like ''[[I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here!]]'' and possibly others like [[Survivor (franchise)|''Survivor'']] that use similar fields as their show specific infoboxes could be merged into this one template. 

The module includes everything that was previously discussed but if there is anything that needs to be added to the module it can be added with consensus. Since this is a module of [[Template:Infobox television season]] all fields that are available for that infobox can be used as well. There are some key things I would just like to point out with the new configuration since this would be the first time ''Big Brother'' season articles would have these types of fields:
*The parameter {{para|num_episodes}} should only be updated ''after'' an episode airs as per consensus from [[WP:TV]] and as per the template documentation. [[WP:BIGBRO]] can not override this unless there is a consensus from [[WP:TV]] to do so. This will only impact [[Celebrity Big Brother 2 (U.S.)]] as far as I'm aware since CBS has announced it will have 13 episodes. 
*Similarly the {{para|last_aired}} should not be filled in until after the last episode actually airs. While the season is airing this field should have ''present''. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=NCIS_(season_16)&oldid=873393160 NCIS (season 16)] as an example.
*If in doubt about a field from [[Template:Infobox television season]] review the documentation.

I did go ahead and switch [[Celebrity Big Brother 2 (U.S.)]] and [[Gran Hermano VIP (season 6)]] over to the new modules so we can get an idea of how they would look. I would recommend adding the following edit summary incase someone tries to revert any changes <code><nowiki>Replaced depreciated [[Template:Big Brother endgame]] with [[Template:Infobox reality competition season|module]] of [[Template:Infobox television season]] per the result of [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 December 5#Big Brother season templates]] Moved days to Housemate table.</nowiki></code> (Replace housemates with endgame depending on the template being replaced)

Part of the discussion was to move the Entered/Exited/Status columns that were part of the old infoboxes to the Housemates sections via a table. Most articles already have one but some do not we need to figure out a consistent look and feel for the tables. I made some proposals over at [[User:Alucard 16/sandbox5/Old BB Infobox Replacement Proposals]] and {{U|Gonnym}} added some suggestions that we should consider as far as the Housemate tables go. What do you all think about the table proposals? '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 15:33, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

:A note regarding a change of fields from what was discussed and what was implemented. The Prsenter/Host fields used to be labeled as "Presenter:" and "Host:" but after talking with Alucard I've changed it to "Presented by:" and "Hosted by:". Because of that, there is no need for singular and plural versions of the parameters - so just use "presenter" or "host" regardless of the numbers. Also, the fields that used to be "number_x" are now "num_x" to match the {{tl|Infobox television season}} parameter names. Everything I just said is also in the documentation and the examples, so no need to remember anything I just said. :) --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 16:11, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alucard 16}} Looks like someone already reverted your changes on [[Gran Hermano VIP (season 6)]]. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 03:36, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|TheDoctorWho}} I expected this to happen. Best thing to do is revert and apply warning notice then report if it keeps happening. Its why I suggested a descriptive edit summary so there is no excuse for IPs not to know of the reason for the big change. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 05:44, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

=== Housemate tables ===
After seeing {{U|Gonnym}}'s additional notes in my sandbox I took a look at [[Template:Table cell templates]] and noticed we could actually use {{tlp|won}} and {{tlp|eliminated}} right away. This will save major time as we don't have to manually code the tables for the color. I didn't see the colors that [[WP:BIGBRO]] uses for Runner-up, Ejected or Walked so I created those templates with generic terms (i.e. Removed, Quit). To see how they look in action take a look at [[Gran Hermano VIP (season 6)]] and [[Celebrity Big Brother (Australian TV series)]]. The below table shows the full syntax from [[Template:Table cell templates/doc]] for the templates we can use in relation to ''Big Brother'' and I added two extra columns for how they would look customized with ''Big Brother'' terms used. 

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: left; width: auto;"
|+ Big Brother cell templates
! Class<ref name="table-cell-templates-table-css">The HTML class of table cell templates may be referenced in a [[m:help:User style|user stylesheet]] to change appearance.</ref> !! Default syntax !! Preview (default) !! Customized syntax !! Preview (customized) !! Exiting/New !! ''Big Brother'' style syntax !! ''Big Brother'' style (default)
|-
| <code>table-yes2</code> || {{tl|won}} || {{won}} || {{tlp|won|text{{=}}white|color{{=}}darkblue}} || {{won|text=white|color=darkblue}} || Existing || {{tlp|won|Winner}} || {{won|Winner}}
|-
| rowspan=8| ''no class'' ''no class'' || {{tl|Runner-up}} || {{Runner-up}} || {{tlp|Runner-up|<nowiki>Customized [[Plain text|text]]</nowiki>}} || {{Runner-up|Customized [[Plain text|text]]}} || New || {{tlp|Runner-up}} || {{Runner-up}}
|-
| rowspan=7 | {{tl|CFinalist}} || rowspan=7 {{CFinalist}} || rowspan=7 | {{tlp|CFinalist|text{{=}}white|color{{=}}darkblue}} || rowspan=7 {{CFinalist|text=white|color=darkblue}} || rowspan=7 | New || {{tlp|CFinalist|2nd Runner-up}} || {{CFinalist|2nd Runner-up}}
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| {{tlp|CFinalist|3rd Place}} || {{CFinalist|3th Place}}
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| {{tlp|CFinalist|4th Place}} || {{CFinalist|4th Place}}
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| {{tlp|CFinalist|5th Place}} || {{CFinalist|5th Place}}
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| {{tlp|CFinalist|6th Place}} || {{CFinalist|6th Place}}
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| {{tlp|CFinalist|7th Place}} || {{CFinalist|7th Place}}
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| {{tlp|CFinalist|8th Place}} || {{CFinalist|8th Place}}
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| rowspan=5| ''no class'' || rowspan=3 | {{tl|CRemoved}} || rowspan=3 {{CRemoved}} || rowspan=3  | {{tlp|CRemoved|<nowiki>Customized [[Plain text|text]]</nowiki>}} || rowspan=3 {{CRemoved|Customized [[Plain text|text]]}} || rowspan=3 | New || {{tlp|CRemoved|Ejected}} || {{CRemoved|Ejected}}
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| {{tlp|CRemoved|Expelled}} || {{CRemoved|Expelled}}
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| {{tlp|CRemoved|Forced eviction}} || {{CRemoved|Forced eviction}}
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| rowspan=2 | {{tl|Quit}} || rowspan=2 {{Quit}} || rowspan=2 | {{tlp|Quit|<nowiki>Customized [[Plain text|text]]</nowiki>}} || rowspan=2 {{Quit|Customized [[Plain text|text]]}} || rowspan=2 | New || {{tlp|Quit|Walked}} || {{Quit|Walked}}
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What do y'all think of using these templates? I think they will be a lot easier than coding each line for the color. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 17:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
:These templates will definitely be easier than the individual coding. Especially for those less familiar with the manual code. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 03:36, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
::I didn't even know all of those existed until Gonnym pointed them out lol. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 05:44, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Created a new {{tl|CFinalist}} template for finalists that were not classed as "evicted". This should cover all status in the contestant tables now. I did change the color to a lighter shade of yellow so it won't be confused with the immunity color so the nomination/voting history tables should be updated with <code>#ffffdd</code> to match the Housemate/Houseguests tables where needed. The numbers can be spelled out if needed just change "3rd" to "Third", "4th" to "Fourth", etc. The template only goes from 3-8 which is the max I've seen in any article. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 22:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Alucard 16}} Hi guys, do we have colors for HoH, Veto, Nominated statuses, and other future statuses? [[User:Oenix2nd|Oenix2nd]] ([[User talk:Oenix2nd|talk]]) 04:15, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Oenix2nd}} This is for endgame statuses only not in-progress statuses. For in-game progress we can look at the existing templates and see which colors match WP:BIGBRO's guidelines. However with the change to tables I don't think we need to worry about keeping track of the in-game progress except for evicted, expelled, walked, etc as the Nomination table/Voting history tables typically keeps a good log of them. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 04:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::You should really not treat article pages as blogs (see [[WP:NOTNEWS]] and [[WP:INDISCRIMINATE]]). Minute-by-minute updates of who is currently nominated and head of the house is useless information. Think of it this way - is the final article going to have that information? If the answer is no - then it doesn't belong in the article at any point. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:48, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

==Discussion at [[ Talk:Big Brother (Albanian TV series)#Requested move 14 January 2019 ]]==
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==Discussion at [[ Talk:Pinoy Big Brother (season 1)#Requested move 18 January 2019 ]]==
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==Discussion at [[ Talk:Big Brother 4 (U.S. season)#Improved Table Format ]]==
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[ Talk:Big Brother 4 (U.S. season)#Improved Table Format ]].  {{U|Helloman124}} is proposing a change to the Houseguests tables that would impact all ''Big Brother'' articles. Please visit the article and discuss the change. Thank you! '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 14:14, 24 January 2019 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->

==Discussion at [[ Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 April 23#Template:Big Brother sidebar ]]==
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== Move Big Brother Canada (season #) to Big Brother # (Canadian season) ==

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==Discussion at [[Template Talk:Big Brother Africa#Requested move 13 June 2019]]==
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== A new newsletter directory is out! ==

A new '''[[Template:Newsletters|Newsletter directory]]''' has been created to replace the [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_newsletters&oldid=891896284 old, out-of-date one]. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like [https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiSpecies]), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the [[Template talk:Newsletters|template's talk page]] and someone will add it for you.
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::Just checked and ours is there even though its inactive. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 04:57, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Alucard 16}} Wow, I've been a member of this WikiProject for a bit now and never realized we had a newsletter... Would you ever be interested in starting it back up??? [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 17:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
::::{{re|TheDoctorWho}} If there was enough interest for one I wouldn't mind starting it back up or another editor could. However before starting the newsletter back up we do need to clean up the project page to reflect all the changes that have been happening. I have a vacation in May and I plan on redoing the front page to reflect current consensus. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 13:21, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Alucard 16}} My apologies it's taken me a while to get back to you. I think a newsletter might be a good idea to keep project members updated on things happening within the WikiProject. I'd be interesting in helping out on it if we get there. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 03:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::I guess I had too much time on my hands tonight because I created an edition and requested publication but oh well. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 08:23, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

==Discussion at [[Talk:Big Brother 21 (American season)#Day 1 Eviction]]==
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[Talk:Big Brother 21 (American season)#Day 1 Eviction]].  [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 05:16, 26 June 2019 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->

== Discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Big Brother season article format]] ==
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Big Brother season article format]] on whether we should use, abandon, or rewrite [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Big Brother/Structure of series or season articles]]. [[User:Jayab314|<span style="background-color: #e8c521; color: #695b1d;">'''''Jayab'''''</span>]][[User talk:Jayab314|<span style="background-color: #e8c521; color: #695b1d;">'''''314'''''</span>]] 16:36, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

== Request for information on WP1.0 web tool ==

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the [[User:WP_1.0_bot|WP 1.0 Bot]]! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the [[:toolforge:enwp10/cgi-bin/pindex.fcgi|web tool]] that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScK30kJtKQ3cp-QLY1VJhB94HP2q6437Cdk3E2rVRYHowcL4A/viewform?usp=sf_link this Google form] where you can leave your response. [[User:Walkerma|Walkerma]] ([[User talk:Walkerma|talk]]) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Missing information about the housemates' entry and exit day ==

Since the old infobox was deleted, information about housemates' entry day and exit day for the old BB seasons are missing. Is there any way to find them? Many of them are very hardly to find or no way to find on the web. —— [[User:A675974811|A675974811]] ([[User talk:A675974811|talk]]) 16:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC+8)
:{{Re|A675974811}} Any specific seasons? Also you can view the page history of a particular page and view the raw code of the old template [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Big_Brother_8_(American_season)&action=edit&oldid=876405786 like this for example.] '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 08:46, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{Re|Alucard 16}} Thank you! I never thought about this way! —— [[User:A675974811|A675974811]] ([[User talk:A675974811|talk]]) 19:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC+8)

== Assessment ==

Why "WikiProject Big Brother|class=B|importance=mid" shows class C instead of B? [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|talk]]) 20:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

== Nomination for merging of [[Template:Infobox reality talent competition]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|alt=|link=]][[Template:Infobox reality talent competition]] has been [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|nominated for merging]] with [[Template:Infobox reality competition season]]. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 June 3#Template:Infobox reality talent competition|the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page]]. Thank you. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 20:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

== Assistance needed ==

An IP editor has asked on my talk page that I revert edits done to [[Bigg Boss Tamil 1]] and [[Bigg Boss Kannada (season 7)]] by [[User:Pawan Sparkle]] and restore the table to the previous style used ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bigg_Boss_Tamil_1&oldid=944881845] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bigg_Boss_Kannada_(season_7)&oldid=939745539]). I have no idea what the project guidelines are regarding the tables, so would appreciate if anyone familier with this could take a look. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 12:13, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

:Hi it should be like this again [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bigg_Boss_Kannada_(season_7)&oldid=939745539], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bigg_Boss_Tamil_1&oldid=944881845] this was before Pavan had added this [[User:Alucard 16]] <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A01:4C8:63:8069:ACBE:D362:BAC0:FE98|2A01:4C8:63:8069:ACBE:D362:BAC0:FE98]] ([[User talk:2A01:4C8:63:8069:ACBE:D362:BAC0:FE98#top|talk]]) 12:17, 11 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::{{Re|Gonnym}} Not sure why IP editor(s) reached out to us instead of following the [[WP:ER]] process. However upon further review the issue the IP editor mentioned about Tamil & Kannada is more of an [[MOS:ACCESSIBILITY]] issue rather than a [[WP:BIGBRO]] MOS issue. A previous editor had colorized the headers and left columns of all the tables similar to the infobox colors which is not how tables should be used in articles. Also with the ''Kannada'' article the nomination table violated [[MOS:ACCESSIBILITY]] by changing the font size to 75% which made the table barely readable. (I have 20/20 vision and big screen monitors and I was having a hard time seeing that table.) So I reverted the changes on the grounds of [[MOS:ACCESSIBILITY]] issues which trumps [[WP:BIGBRO]] in any case. [[Bigg Boss (Hindi season 12)]] is an example of tables not adhering to [[WP:BIGBRO]]'s manual of style in general. '''''<span style="background:#4169E1;padding:2px; border-radius:7px"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#fff">'''Alucard 16'''</span>]][[User talk:Alucard 16|<span style="color:#CCFF00"><sub>❯❯❯ chat?</sub></span>]]</span></span>''''' 19:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Big Brother VIP Albania]] for deletion ==
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The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Brother VIP Albania]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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==Discussion at [[:Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#Standardized terms for elimination-style reality program progress tables|Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television §&nbsp;Standardized terms for elimination-style reality program progress tables]]==
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== Dead housemates ==

Some rather tasteless symbols added to signify dead housemates at [[List of Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) housemates]], [[List of Big Brother (British TV series) housemates]] and elsewhere. [[User:FDW777|FDW777]] ([[User talk:FDW777|talk]]) 15:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

== User script to detect unreliable sources ==

{{Main|User:Headbomb/unreliable}}
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to [[WP:URS|unreliable sources]] and [[predatory journal]]s. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the [[Wikipedia:User scripts/Most imported scripts|39th most imported script on Wikipedia]]. The idea is that it takes something like
*John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14. (<code><nowiki>John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.</nowiki></code>)
and turns it into something like
* John Smith "{{highlight|[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]|pink}}" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{tl|cite web}}, {{tl|cite journal}} and {{tl|doi}}.

The script is mostly based on [[WP:RSPSOURCES]], [[WP:NPPSG]] and [[WP:CITEWATCH]] and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is '''not a script to be mindlessly used''', and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at [[User:Headbomb/unreliable]]. Questions, comments and requests can be made at [[User talk:Headbomb/unreliable]].

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== Project-independent quality assessments ==

Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]], but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent [[WP:Village pump (proposals)/Archive_198#Project-independent_quality_assessments|Village pump proposal]] was approved and has been implemented to add a {{para|class}} parameter to {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{tl|WPBannerMeta}} a new {{para|QUALITY_CRITERIA|custom}} parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] ([[User talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 20:32, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

== Popular pages ==

Greetings, At the Assessment subpage, I added Popular pages wikilink. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Big_Brother/Popular_pages here]. Useful for focused cleanup of frequently viewed articles. [[User:JoeNMLC|JoeNMLC]] ([[User talk:JoeNMLC|talk]]) 02:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

== Image ==

I'm curious to know as to why an eye is the WikiProject template's image? &ndash; [[User:Callmemirela|<span style="font-family:Playfair Display; color:#caa2ac">Callme</span>]][[User talk:Callmemirela|<b style="color:#9cadad;">mirela</b>]] &#127809; 03:18, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

:It’s a nod to [[1984 (novel)]]… “Big Brother is watching you…” [[User:Bgsu98|<span style="color:darkorange;">'''Bgsu98'''</span>]] [[User talk:Bgsu98|<span style="color:darkorange;">(Talk)</span>]] 03:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
::That was so not clear to someone who doesn't watch Big Brother lol. Thank you for the answer! &ndash; [[User:Callmemirela|<span style="font-family:Playfair Display; color:#caa2ac">Callme</span>]][[User talk:Callmemirela|<b style="color:#9cadad;">mirela</b>]] &#127809; 12:21, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

== Discussion at [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]] ==
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