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== Merge proposal at [[Talk:Norton 360#Merge proposal | Norton 360]] ==
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I have created a merge proposal at [[Talk:Norton 360#Merge proposal | Norton 360]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Tule-hog|Tule-hog]] ([[User talk:Tule-hog|talk]]) 08:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

== User status discussion ==

This is a separate post to discuss the merits of the User status list.

From what I understand, at least 10 active users qualify as an active WikiProject. There are almost 80 users listed, but with very little activity. If that threshold is not met within a reasonable time frame (say, by the end of 2024?), it might be time to either mark the project as inactive or transform it into a taskforce of WikiProject Computing. 

Critical to my reasoning is that a change would make coordinating the few editors interested in CompSec ''easier'', not more convoluted - if in your experience, these kinds of transitions tend to garble rather than help, I would appreciate recommendations on whether or not to continue with this process. I am thinking that a taskforce of Computing makes the most sense, but I also imagine that could just add extra administrative work in the long run if the taskforce ever grows back out into a full project. 

Additionally, I'm not sure if I should do more to draw attention to the list. I put a short {{tlx|notice}} on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_Security|the main page]]; I wouldn't want to spam users, but also understandably few participants are actively monitoring the talk page where the actual discussion is. [[User:Tule-hog|Tule-hog]] ([[User talk:Tule-hog|talk]]) 00:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

:Your roll call is a bit unusual and so I wasn't immediately clear what was going on. I've trimmed participant lists on projects in the past but just based on observed inactivity on Wikipedia as a whole e.g. mark them inactive if they've done no editing in the past year.
:I already see [[WP:COMPSEC]] as dependent in some form or [[WP:COMP]]. Whether it is standalone, a child project or a task group doesn't seem to be of much practical consequence.
:It is difficult to gauge the vitality of a project or task group or whatever. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by marking it ''inactive'' but I will oppose that because I am still active. It's fine if you want to mark it ''semi-active'' but, as with your roll call and project hierarchy proposal, I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by changing designation. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 19:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
::From what I gathered on [[WP:TF]], the only possible benefits to a taskforce conversion would be:
::1. {{tlx|WikiProject Computer Security}} is made a parameter of [[WP:COMP]]'s [[Template:WikiProject Computing|banner]], which results in
::2. Automatically merged article alerts in the main project, so more editors notified
::However, given [[WP:COMPSEC]]'s considerable work on 'political'/non-computing-centric articles that might be opposed by [[WP:COMP]] in the first place. 
::The only reasoning to mark inactive would be to centralize work into [[WP:COMP]]; on further thought the taskforce conversion is the only option that makes sense, if any at all. 
::I will strike the status list and trim the list based on activity (on Wikimedia as a whole) in the last 2 years if you/any other participants could confirm that is justified. [[User:Tule-hog|Tule-hog]] ([[User talk:Tule-hog|talk]]) 20:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We already have {{para|security}} and {{para|security-importance}} on {{tl|WikiProject Computing}}. At this point, security seems to be both a task force and a standalone project. You're welcome to clean this up if we have consensus on how to do so. I would '''support''' closing down the standalone project in favor of the task force because I can't justify having both and I think you're right, we'll have more participation on security topics as a task force. 
:::[[WP:COMP]] must get alerts from {{tl|WikiProject Computing}} articles marked with {{para|security|yes}}. I'm not sure if [[WP:COMP]] gets alerts from {{tl|WikiProject Computer Security}}.
:::2 years of Wikipedia inactivity is more generous than necessary IMO but I won't quibble about it. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 15:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
:::It looks like we may have the same task force/standalone project duality with [[WP:COMPSCI]] and [[WP:SOFTWARE]] so we probably should discuss this at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing]] before proceeding. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 15:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Most articles tagged with [[WP:CSEC]] are already tagged with [[WP:COMPSCI]] or [[WP:ELECTRONICS]] depending on the topic area, I don't really see the benefit of doing the switcharoo in the first place. Also, I concur with Kvng that I don't see the project as inactive, it is definitely lower in activity, but that's probably expected in this kind of a nicher topic area from time to time. [[User:Sohom Datta|<b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b>]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|<span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span>]]) 23:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

:So, you joined this wikiproject on September 5th only to immediately request it being shut down? (Actually, you joined about 14 minutes AFTER asking it to be shut down; even more interesting.) Why don't you participate a bit first and try to fix this perceived inactivity, before deciding to recommend such huge changes?
:Note: I'm not against making this a task-force, but I'm surprised it's always apparent newcomers proposing such things. --[[User:DanielPharos|DanielPharos]] ([[User talk:DanielPharos|talk]]) 19:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::Participation is not measured by duration since signing the list; see my contributions. This was an inquiry to the community on how best to centralize the work after observing relative inactivity for around 5 months, not an attempt to shutter any editor organization around CompSec. [[User:Tule-hog|Tule-hog]] ([[User talk:Tule-hog|talk]]) 19:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::If signing up to the project is not a measure of participation, then why do you treat the user list as a gauge for the activity of the project?
:::Anyway, I apologize if I'm coming across as abrasive. It just that I've seen proposals like this before (for example, [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer Security/Archive 4#WikiProject restructuring]]), and back then it was build on handwavy argumentation, providing no clear support for the alleged benefit(s). I'm just trying to vet out if that's the case now too. --[[User:DanielPharos|DanielPharos]] ([[User talk:DanielPharos|talk]]) 22:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

== Requested move at [[Talk:2024 Lebanon pager explosions#Requested move 19 September 2024]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:2024 Lebanon pager explosions#Requested move 19 September 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Web-julio|Web-julio]] ([[User talk:Web-julio|talk]]) 03:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

== Requested move at [[Talk:Identity management#Requested move 12 November 2024]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Identity management#Requested move 12 November 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Raladic|Raladic]] ([[User talk:Raladic|talk]]) 16:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)