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+Burn it. Salt it. Let nothing grow here again.
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-Flakeloaf, I am in the process of creating the War against Christmas, and so it is not completed yet.
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-:If it's anything like the [[Christmas Controversies]] article, I suspect you may see them merged very soon. [[User:Flakeloaf|Flakeloaf]] 10:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
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-==Advice==
-Thank you for the advice, I do very much appreciate it! [[User:Kris Classic|Kris Classic]] 23:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
-==Chi-ling Lin Mediation Request==
-Since neither editor expressed a desire to keep this mediation private, we'd may as well hash it out right here.  I'd rather not do this on her [[Talk:Chi-ling_Lin|talk page]] to avoid attracting the attention of other, unrelated editors.  For the same reason I'd ask people '''not to participate in this discussion unless you are [[User:Nationalist]] or [[User:Comatose51]].'' ' Thanks.
-'''My initial impression''': The issue of her correct measurements should be resolved by consulting the source of those dimensions.  Comatose's preferred numbers match those in the article's source, which appears to be reliable on its face.  Nationalist, could you please source the dimensions you provided?
-The issue of "ROC" vs. "Taiwan" is a matter for political scientists, not lowly volunteer mediators, but I'll wade in there and do what I can.  To start, a bit about myself: I am a Canadian citizen of Caucasian descent with no experience in Chinese politics and, aside from a distant former significant other, no experience with anything distinctly Chinese whatsoever :).  Like most westerners, I say "China" meaning the PRC, and "Taiwan" meaning an island off the cost of China with no implications as to its political status.
-As a westerner who knows the difference between ROC and "The PRC", I know I am in the minority.  To most of us, the term "Republic of China" is confusing, whereas "Taiwan" is immediately clear.  To those who cannot make the distinction the name of the government that administers the island is not important; talk of someone's nationality speaks to their geographical origin and [[phenotype]], not their political leanings.  Those who do know the difference understand that Taiwan is administered by the government that once controlled all of China, while the present government of that nation-state claims to have inherited sovereignty over all of the ROC's former territories when it took power.  Again, which government has rightful claim to the island is not for discussion here; the issue is which terminology would most reliably convey the idea of where this model calls home.
-Wikipedia's own articles on both the [[Republic_of_China|ROC]] and [[Taiwan]] cleave your two conflicting perspectives cleanly by explaining that Taiwan is the name of the island, and "Republic of China" is the name of the state that administers that geographical area.  [[Political_status_of_Taiwan]] goes on to describe a "policy of ambiguity" on exactly what Taiwan is, and [[Taiwan_%28disambiguation%29|Taiwan's disambiguation page]] shows a multitude of different interpretations for the word based on context.  The history of the ROC, the PRC and their relationships with each other and the international community are not only outside the scope of this mediation (for now) but well outside of my current sphere of knowledge, though I'm sure you will both expand it before this discussion's over :)
-With that said, to say someone is "Taiwanese" does not necessarily imply nationality; a Quebecois is also a Canadian, Welsh people are Brits and so forth.  Therefore, the two terms -  those being "Taiwanese" and "Citizen of the ROC" - appear to be interchangeable <i>in that context</i>, since all people born on Taiwan are Taiwanese, and the citizens of what remains of the ROC live on Taiwan.  In my view, the two terms should therefore carry equal weight.  In case of a "tie" one would turn to common usage but even this finds no remedy:  Westerners call it "Taiwan" without any prejudice towards its statehood, the PRC calls it "Chinese Taipei" (though I've never met anyone who said they were "Taipeian") and the ROC names it after itself.
-Incidentally, the phrase "Loyal citizen of the Republic of China" strikes me as spurious and stops a hair's breadth short of [[WP:NPOV]].  If she has demonstrated exceptional loyalty to the ROC, this claim should be substantiated with sources.  If she is disloyal, sources should be found forthwith to comply with both NPOV and [[WP:BLP]].  Can you explain why choosing to represent the ROC's official airline implies loyalty to the ROC?  Celine Dion may pitch Air Canada but that doesn't enhance my opinion of her as a Canadian.  I'd recommend removing the phrase entirely, both to avoid inflaming ROC/PRC/Taiwan/pei tensions and to give the article a more encyclopedic tone. [[User:Flakeloaf|Flakeloaf]] 17:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
-== Re: WebAPP AfD ==
-Actually, [[User:Steel359|Steel359]] probably deserves the credit for resolving that issue. :) --'''[[User:Coredesat|Core]][[User talk:Coredesat|<font color="#3399FF">desat</font>]]''' 00:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
-:And here I thought it was you who tugged the chain; I wasn't sure if your participation in the AfD discussion put you in a COI position but hey, ask not get not! [[User:Flakeloaf|Flakeloaf]] 00:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)