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The result was delete. Bbb23 (talk) 15:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mahmoud Shoolizadeh

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While this article has been on enwiki for quite some time, it does not appear to meet GNG standards, I feel the article needs more attention from other colleagues, as it was written by Pouya sh, who is the son of Mahmoud shoolizadeh and has been updating article since long time, I did some research in english and farsi about the subject, and couldn't find enough coverage. Mardetanha (talk) 11:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:06, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try. The article cites a number of sources, but it's not immediately clear if they're enough to meet the GNG or a relevant SNG: some comments would be appreciated.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - This guy seems pretty close to the line. He's got some direct coverage in the Florida Times Union. He also has indirect coverage in the Brunswick News and Variety magazine. He also seems to have directed the notable film Noora. I'm not sure if there are special notability rules for directors, but I don't think this guys meets WP:GNG. NickCT (talk) 11:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete. I found that only one independent reliable source, the Florida Times-Union, covered[1][2] this guy significantly. None of the other sources in the article give independent reliable significant coverage and I was unable to find other sources that do, so I find that the article fails WP:GNG. There is an applicable SNG: WP:DIRECTOR. I don't think that has been met as there is no evidence of a new or original concept being invented (criteria 2), and I don't see evidence of him being regarded as important with no evidence of him being cited (criteria 1). His movies are likely significant, for instance, see Susan (film) and The Debt (2014 film) and the awards they have one. In my opinion, these awards make at least some of his movies significant. However, in order to satisfy the third criterion in that SNG the movies must also have been the primary subject of "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews" and I didn't find any evidence of that. Finally, his works aren't a significant monument, probably have not been a substantial part of an exhibition, have not won significant critical attention as far as I am aware (unless those movie festivals count), and aren't in the collections of museums (criteria 4). I don't think he meets the GNG or the applicable SNG. Danre98^{(talk^contribs)} 16:41, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 While this article has been on enwiki for quite some time, it does not appear to meet GNG standards, I feel the article needs more attention from other colleagues, as it was written by Pouya sh, who is the son of Mahmoud shoolizadeh and has been updating article since long time, I did some research in english and farsi about the subject, and couldn't find enough coverage. [[User:Mardetanha|Mardetanha]] ([[User talk:Mardetanha|talk]]) 11:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 :<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Actors and filmmakers|list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Spiderone|<span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span>]]</sup> 12:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)</small>
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+*'''Weak Delete''' - This guy seems pretty close to the line. He's got some direct coverage in the [https://www.jacksonville.com/article/20110705/NEWS/801248488 Florida Times Union]. He also has indirect coverage in [https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/camden-county-ready-for-new-movie/article_74324ed8-9d45-5853-804e-94f36100a3be.html the Brunswick News] and [https://variety.com/2003/film/reviews/noora-the-kiss-of-life-1200541018/ Variety magazine]. He also seems to have directed the notable film [[Noora]]. I'm not sure if there are special notability rules for directors, but I don't think this guys meets [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:NickCT|NickCT]] ([[User talk:NickCT|talk]]) 11:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Weak Delete'''. I found that only one independent reliable source, the Florida Times-Union, covered[https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20181216/send-my-message-to-all-people][http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-07-05/story/iranian-lands-jacksonville-seeking-freedom-filmmaker] this guy significantly. None of the other sources in the article give independent reliable significant coverage and I was unable to find other sources that do, so I find that the article fails [[WP:GNG]]. There is an applicable SNG: [[WP:DIRECTOR]]. I don't think that has been met as there is no evidence of a new or original concept being invented (criteria 2), and I don't see evidence of him being regarded as important with no evidence of him being cited (criteria 1). His movies are likely significant, for instance, see [[Susan (film)]] and [[The Debt (2014 film)]] and the awards they have one. In my opinion, these awards make at least some of his movies significant. However, in order to satisfy the third criterion in that SNG the movies must also have been the primary subject of "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews" and I didn't find any evidence of that. Finally, his works aren't a significant monument, probably have not been a substantial part of an exhibition, have not won significant critical attention as far as I am aware (unless those movie festivals count), and aren't in the collections of museums (criteria 4). I don't think he meets the GNG or the applicable SNG. [[User:Danre98|<span style="color:#006400;">Danre98</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Danre98|<span style="color:#008080;">talk</span>]]^[[Special:Contributions/Danre98|<span style="color: #800080;">contribs</span>]])</sup> 16:41, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
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