Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Segmented file transfer

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Segmented file transfer

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This page has no references at all and all sources I could find online are basically a laughing stock. There is no such thing as "non-segmented" file transfer because data stream segmentation is necessary for processing any file of reasonable size. In practice, this means that software must support "segmented" mode and "non-segmented" transfer is just a transfer with only one segment. Anton.bersh (talk) 08:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Anton.bersh (talk) 08:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. Anton.bersh (talk) 08:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Anton.bersh (talk) 08:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Anton.bersh (talk) 08:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up: It might be worthwhile to redirect Segmented file transfer to somewhere in FTP or HTTP.

I see material online which is called "Segmented file transfer" but it is just low-effort blog spam.

1. https://ijcset.net/docs/Volumes/volume6issue12/ijcset2016061201.pdf (I'm sorry for whoever had to write basically a generic blog post and format it as a research article)
2. https://aatayyab.wordpress.com/2016/10/28/multi-threaded-vs-segmented-file-transfer-ftp/

Anton.bersh (talk) 08:26, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

• Draftify or soft delete: (with recommendation for use of alternative title if seeking to return a suitably and properly cited version to mainspace) While in the context of the primary article name of Segmented file transfer I might agree with the nom. but if looking at article in the context of the alternative names multisource file-transfer or swarming file-transfer then that may be more appropriate. Is the nom. a "laughing stock" for not showing the alternative names have been considered in their BEFORE? At brief glance the subject appears to be more focusing on parallelization/distributed techniques beyond those of the transport layer. Lack of references in the article is the big issue and indeed it is more of, or in fact perhaps totally, an opinion essay which will be difficult to cite as written. I'm not considering a Transwiki but if another does a credible and viable volunteer on that I'd probably not oppose it. Possibly notable if renamed and may re-purposed slightly, stubifying might help to avoid issues. Not sure I would work on this one, possibly/probably not.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:10, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: To sum up, this article needs to be renamed to have a specific focus, then all irrelevant content needs to be removed and all unsourced content sourced and what is not sourceable, POV or factually incorrect needs to be removed. Since there is literally zero sources, this rewrite is basically WP:TNT with extra steps.

Since this article is mostly sourced from images and facts pulled from other pages, I propose an easy way out via deletion of the article and creation of a new article under appropriate names. Anton.bersh (talk) 07:19, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Anton.bersh: If you are volunteering to commit your resource into a WP:TNT that's fine, please make this explicitly clear. If you are proposing to volunteer someone else's resource then also make that clear. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: I'm volunteering to creating a disambiguation page in place of "Segmented file transfer" which would direct reader to a specific place in relevant articles, including FTP, BitTorrent, HTTP, and other protocols which have features that can be described as "segmented file transfer". To be clear, this would essentially remove all existing content of the article. I believe it is the right move because right now article has no verifiable content relevant to its current name. Anton.bersh (talk) 18:54, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Anton.bersh: If you're intention is to achieve the disambig page by editing a new revision that's fine by me (I - and I may be the only one - would regard that as a variant of WP:STUBIFY) welcome that. If the intention the the existing page incarnation is deleted and you were to create revision one of a new incarnation in its place with none of the previous history then I'd be looking at a stubify - possibly after a draftication and rename. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Anton.bersh: well, I think you have a point. Fixing this is "WP:TNT with extra steps" indeed. I would offer a little bit of help with fixing/remaking this article (I think this topic is not as relevant as it was several years ago), but would not be the one making it happen. BernardoSulzbach (talk) 10:23, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@BernardoSulzbach: I would appreciate any help, including links to reliable sources. I just could not find any good sources, hence this AfD. What do you think of my proposal below/above? Anton.bersh (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Anton.bersh: (replying for completeness) I don't have a better solution than your proposal. I've altered my vote to reflect that. BernardoSulzbach (talk) 19:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I see now (I didn't refresh and/or scroll down before). Anton.bersh (talk) 19:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

• Rename (at least). Delete. I think this article wants to be about download parallelization, not file segmentation. It is worrisome that we got to 7,314 bytes without a single reference. BernardoSulzbach (talk) 20:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@BernardoSulzbach: what would be the desired name for the article? Anton.bersh (talk) 06:51, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Anton.bersh: parallelized file transfer would already be an improvement. But maybe there's something better. Having sources for it would likely help us see what the literature normally calls this concept. BernardoSulzbach (talk) 10:20, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@BernardoSulzbach: "parallelized file transfer" does not incude another benefit of transmission of files in "segments", which is ability to pause and resume downloads and ability to survive network temporarily going down. This is very important for wireless networks (Wi-Fi, cell phones, satellite, in space, etc.). Also, it is basically a must for dowloading any sufficiently large file, e.g., an HD movie, OS or other software installer, or similar. Either way, renaming this article to something else and reworking it to fit the new name would constitute WP:TNT as I mentioned above.

Instead, I propose:

1. deletion of the current article content (hence this AfD) and
2. creation of disambiguation like "Segmented file transfer might refer to: a technique to parallelize file downloads via FTP, swarming in BitTorrent, data streaming in HTTP, etc."

Anton.bersh (talk) 18:36, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I think I agree. BernardoSulzbach (talk) 18:40, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.