Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 July 20

July 20

Template:EP99Results

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. czar 06:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

• Template:EP99Results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1999 - Delegation at 20 July 1999 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1999 - Statistics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1999 - Timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The top template, EP99, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1999 EU article under the statistics section. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Subst and delete. Subst all to 1999 European Parliament election, remove from Elections to the European Parliament and convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
• Substitute and delete. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in Elections to the European Parliament, like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes WP:COLLAPSE, so that will need to be corrected. --Bsherr (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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Template:EP94Results

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. czar 06:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

• Template:EP94Results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1994 - Delegation at 19 July 1994 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1994 - Statistics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1994 - Timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The top template, EP94, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1994 EU article under the statistics section. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Subst and delete. Subst all to 1994 European Parliament election, remove from Elections to the European Parliament and convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. Gonnym (talk) 09:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
• Substitute and delete. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in Elections to the European Parliament, like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes WP:COLLAPSE, so that will need to be corrected. --Bsherr (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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Template:EP89Results

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. czar 06:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

• Template:EP89Results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1989 - Delegation at 25 July 1989 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1989 - Statistics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1989 - Timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The top template, EP89, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1989 EU article under the statistics section. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Subst and delete. Subst all to 1989 European Parliament election, remove from Elections to the European Parliament and convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. Gonnym (talk) 09:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
• Substitute and delete. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in Elections to the European Parliament, like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes WP:COLLAPSE, so that will need to be corrected. --Bsherr (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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Template:EP84Results

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. czar 06:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

• Template:EP84Results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1984 - Delegation at 23 July 1984 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1984 - Statistics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1984 - Timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The top template, EP84, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1984 EU article under the statistics section. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Subst and delete. Subst all to 1984 European Parliament election, remove from Elections to the European Parliament and convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. Gonnym (talk) 09:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
• Substitute and delete. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in Elections to the European Parliament, like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes WP:COLLAPSE, so that will need to be corrected. --Bsherr (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Delegation at 17 July 1979

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. czar 06:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

• Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Delegation at 17 July 1979 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Statistics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Votes by national party at unknown 1979 date (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:European Parliament election, 1979 – Electoral map at 17 July 1979 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No navigational benefit from the information that exists on these navboxes. The information should be substituted onto the statistics section of the 1979 EU election article. The electoral map template should be deleted as a map for the results exists within the infobox at the top right of the article. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:55, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Subst and delete. Subst all to 1979 European Parliament election, remove from Elections to the European Parliament and convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
• Substitute and delete. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in Elections to the European Parliament, like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes WP:COLLAPSE, so that will need to be corrected. --Bsherr (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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Template:EP79Results

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Frietjes (talk) 21:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• Template:EP79Results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A single-use template that should be substituted where used. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Subst and delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

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Template:Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 July 30. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

• Template:Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:Richard Cheese

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Frietjes (talk) 21:55, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• Template:Richard Cheese (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Everything in this template just redirects to the article about the band. There are two albums that have articles, which I've also AfD'd as not-notable. —valereee (talk) 17:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Delete Very unhelpful for navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
• Delete. Decieving "sea-of-blue" navbox, which is already accomplished with this section. — CVValue (talk) 16:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

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Aliases for Short description template

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The result of the discussion was procedural close and move to WP:RFD. Comments given below will be copied over. Primefac (talk) 22:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Template:Brief description (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Description (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:SHORTDESC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Short-description (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Short desc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Shortdesc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Shortdescription (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The Short description template has seven aliases, but the current template documentation is clear that none of the aliases should be used as other templates, modules and gadgets explicitly search for the "short description" template by name — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 12:56, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Delete, to reduce clutter and confusion. MichaelMaggs (talk) 13:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
• The alternative to deletion here would be to tag the redirects with {{R from incorrect name}} so that (hopefully) a bot would come along to fix them whenever they're used. I'm not sure the complexity is worth the tradeoff, though, so I don't have a preference for that over deletion. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

  Speaking as the Bot in question, I have been fixing the use of the redirected templates for some while. Yesterday, there were none in mainspace. There are a few elsewhere, but nothing that should be an issue — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 21:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Delete all. Editors sometimes don't realise the amount of work it takes to support redirects behind the scenes, often for very little value. This template is used once in an article. Most editors use automated tools to add it, or even none when it's added by another template, often an infobox. For the other manual uses, editors can be expected to take the time and learn the actual name of the template and use it. Gonnym (talk) 16:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
• Delete I ran a bot called shorty which monitored for {{SHORTDESC}} and converted. The bot was disabled April 29, 2021 for lack of need. The last conversion was July 2020. In total it converted 468 templates from January 2019 through July 2020. -- GreenC 19:20, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

{{Shortdesc}} still has around 400 transclusion it will need AWB or bot work. The rest have handfuls of non-mainspace. -- GreenC 19:25, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Most of these are due to a recent template change and can easily be fixed in the template itself — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 21:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Wrong venue These are redirects, which should be nominated at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion, not Wikipedia:Templates for discussion * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

  Furthermore, there was a consensus to keep these redirects back in 2019 at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 24#Template:Brief description * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• wrong venue, redirects are discussed at WP:RFD. Frietjes (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

  Do you mean WP:RFD? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

  yes, corrected. Frietjes (talk) 14:39, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

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