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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. czar 06:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EP99Results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1999 - Delegation at 20 July 1999 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1999 - Statistics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1999 - Timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The top template, EP99, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1999 EU article under the statistics section. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Subst and delete. Subst all to 1999 European Parliament election, remove from Elections to the European Parliament and convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Substitute and delete. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in Elections to the European Parliament, like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes WP:COLLAPSE, so that will need to be corrected. --Bsherr (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:EP94Results

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. czar 06:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EP94Results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1994 - Delegation at 19 July 1994 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1994 - Statistics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1994 - Timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The top template, EP94, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1994 EU article under the statistics section. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Subst and delete. Subst all to 1994 European Parliament election, remove from Elections to the European Parliament and convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. Gonnym (talk) 09:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Substitute and delete. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in Elections to the European Parliament, like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes WP:COLLAPSE, so that will need to be corrected. --Bsherr (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:EP89Results

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. czar 06:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EP89Results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1989 - Delegation at 25 July 1989 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1989 - Statistics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1989 - Timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The top template, EP89, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1989 EU article under the statistics section. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Subst and delete. Subst all to 1989 European Parliament election, remove from Elections to the European Parliament and convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. Gonnym (talk) 09:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Substitute and delete. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in Elections to the European Parliament, like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes WP:COLLAPSE, so that will need to be corrected. --Bsherr (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:EP84Results

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. czar 06:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EP84Results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1984 - Delegation at 23 July 1984 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1984 - Statistics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1984 - Timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The top template, EP84, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1984 EU article under the statistics section. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Subst and delete. Subst all to 1984 European Parliament election, remove from Elections to the European Parliament and convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. Gonnym (talk) 09:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Substitute and delete. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in Elections to the European Parliament, like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes WP:COLLAPSE, so that will need to be corrected. --Bsherr (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Delegation at 17 July 1979

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. czar 06:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Delegation at 17 July 1979 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Statistics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Votes by national party at unknown 1979 date (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:European Parliament election, 1979 – Electoral map at 17 July 1979 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No navigational benefit from the information that exists on these navboxes. The information should be substituted onto the statistics section of the 1979 EU election article. The electoral map template should be deleted as a map for the results exists within the infobox at the top right of the article. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:55, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Subst and delete. Subst all to 1979 European Parliament election, remove from Elections to the European Parliament and convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Substitute and delete. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in Elections to the European Parliament, like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes WP:COLLAPSE, so that will need to be corrected. --Bsherr (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:EP79Results

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Frietjes (talk) 21:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EP79Results (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A single-use template that should be substituted where used. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Subst and delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 July 30. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:Richard Cheese

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Frietjes (talk) 21:55, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Richard Cheese (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Everything in this template just redirects to the article about the band. There are two albums that have articles, which I've also AfD'd as not-notable. —valereee (talk) 17:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Very unhelpful for navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Decieving "sea-of-blue" navbox, which is already accomplished with this section. — CVValue (talk) 16:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Aliases for Short description template

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The result of the discussion was procedural close and move to WP:RFD. Comments given below will be copied over. Primefac (talk) 22:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Brief description (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Description (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:SHORTDESC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Short-description (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Short desc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Shortdesc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Shortdescription (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The Short description template has seven aliases, but the current template documentation is clear that none of the aliases should be used as other templates, modules and gadgets explicitly search for the "short description" template by name — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 12:56, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, to reduce clutter and confusion. MichaelMaggs (talk) 13:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The alternative to deletion here would be to tag the redirects with {{R from incorrect name}} so that (hopefully) a bot would come along to fix them whenever they're used. I'm not sure the complexity is worth the tradeoff, though, so I don't have a preference for that over deletion. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking as the Bot in question, I have been fixing the use of the redirected templates for some while. Yesterday, there were none in mainspace. There are a few elsewhere, but nothing that should be an issue — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 21:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. Editors sometimes don't realise the amount of work it takes to support redirects behind the scenes, often for very little value. This template is used once in an article. Most editors use automated tools to add it, or even none when it's added by another template, often an infobox. For the other manual uses, editors can be expected to take the time and learn the actual name of the template and use it. Gonnym (talk) 16:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I ran a bot called shorty which monitored for {{SHORTDESC}} and converted. The bot was disabled April 29, 2021 for lack of need. The last conversion was July 2020. In total it converted 468 templates from January 2019 through July 2020. -- GreenC 19:20, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

{{Shortdesc}} still has around 400 transclusion it will need AWB or bot work. The rest have handfuls of non-mainspace. -- GreenC 19:25, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Most of these are due to a recent template change and can easily be fixed in the template itself — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 21:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong venue These are redirects, which should be nominated at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion, not Wikipedia:Templates for discussion * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, there was a consensus to keep these redirects back in 2019 at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 24#Template:Brief description * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
wrong venue, redirects are discussed at WP:RFD. Frietjes (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean WP:RFD? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
yes, corrected. Frietjes (talk) 14:39, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''substitute and delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 06:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
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 The top template, EP99, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1999 EU article under the statistics section. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
-:'''Subst and delete'''. Subst all to [[1999 European Parliament election]], remove from [[Elections to the European Parliament]] and '''convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables'''. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Subst and delete'''. Subst all to [[1999 European Parliament election]], remove from [[Elections to the European Parliament]] and '''convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables'''. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
+* Substitute and '''delete'''. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in [[Elections to the European Parliament]], like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes [[WP:COLLAPSE]], so that will need to be corrected. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ====[[Template:EP94Results]]====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''substitute and delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 06:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|EP94Results}}
 * {{Tfd links|European Parliament election, 1994 - Delegation at 19 July 1994}}
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 The top template, EP94, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1994 EU article under the statistics section. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
-:'''Subst and delete'''. Subst all to [[1994 European Parliament election]], remove from [[Elections to the European Parliament]] and '''convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables'''. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Subst and delete'''. Subst all to [[1994 European Parliament election]], remove from [[Elections to the European Parliament]] and '''convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables'''. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
+* Substitute and '''delete'''. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in [[Elections to the European Parliament]], like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes [[WP:COLLAPSE]], so that will need to be corrected. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ====[[Template:EP89Results]]====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''substitute and delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 06:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|EP89Results}}
 * {{Tfd links|European Parliament election, 1989 - Delegation at 25 July 1989}}
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 The top template, EP89, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1989 EU article under the statistics section. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
-:'''Subst and delete'''. Subst all to [[1989 European Parliament election]], remove from [[Elections to the European Parliament]] and '''convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables'''. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Subst and delete'''. Subst all to [[1989 European Parliament election]], remove from [[Elections to the European Parliament]] and '''convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables'''. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
+* Substitute and '''delete'''. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in [[Elections to the European Parliament]], like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes [[WP:COLLAPSE]], so that will need to be corrected. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ====[[Template:EP84Results]]====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''substitute and delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 06:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|EP84Results}}
 * {{Tfd links|European Parliament election, 1984 - Delegation at 23 July 1984}}
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 The top template, EP84, is single-use and should be substituted where used. The next three are navboxes with no navigational purpose as it contains information that should be substituted onto the 1984 EU article under the statistics section. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
-:'''Subst and delete'''. Subst all to [[1984 European Parliament election]], remove from [[Elections to the European Parliament]] and '''convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables'''. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Subst and delete'''. Subst all to [[1984 European Parliament election]], remove from [[Elections to the European Parliament]] and '''convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables'''. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
+* Substitute and '''delete'''. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in [[Elections to the European Parliament]], like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes [[WP:COLLAPSE]], so that will need to be corrected. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ====[[Template:European Parliament election, 1979 - Delegation at 17 July 1979]]====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''substitute and delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 06:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|European Parliament election, 1979 - Delegation at 17 July 1979}}
 * {{Tfd links|European Parliament election, 1979 - Statistics}}
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 No navigational benefit from the information that exists on these navboxes. The information should be substituted onto the statistics section of the 1979 EU election article. The electoral map template should be deleted as a map for the results exists within the infobox at the top right of the article. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 22:55, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
-:'''Subst and delete'''. Subst all to [[1979 European Parliament election]], remove from [[Elections to the European Parliament]] and '''convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables'''. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Subst and delete'''. Subst all to [[1979 European Parliament election]], remove from [[Elections to the European Parliament]] and '''convert the inappropriate use of navboxes into standard tables'''. These aren't navboxes but data tables that hold important article content which can't be viewed by a large portion of our readers. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
+* Substitute and '''delete'''. I agree with Gonnym's proposal. However, although the templates being placed at the bottom of the page in [[Elections to the European Parliament]], like a navbox would be, is wrong, the templates themselves are not navboxes; they are collapsed tables, which itself contravenes [[WP:COLLAPSE]], so that will need to be corrected. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 22:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
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 ====[[Template:EP79Results]]====
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+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 21:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|EP79Results}}
 A single-use template that should be substituted where used. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 22:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 :* '''Subst and delete''' per nom. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:02, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
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 ==== [[Template:Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub]] ====
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-* {{Tfd links|Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub}}
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
-Not a stub template; unused; appropriately replaced by the VAV Project talk page Stub-Class article template. '''[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Pegship|?]]''')</small> 18:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' per nomination. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 21:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
+The result of the discussion was '''relisted'''<!-- Tfd top --> on [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 July 30#Template:Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub|2021 July 30]]. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 18:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
-* '''Keep''' meets none of the four [[WP:TFD#REASONS]] as there is potential for this template being used. I'm a bit confused by the first part of the nom since this template ''does seem to be'' a stub template: {{tq|This template is used to identify a veganism and vegetarianism-related stub. It uses <nowiki>{{asbox}}</nowiki>, which is a meta-template designed to ease the process of creating and maintaining stub templates}} ([[Template:Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub]]). I'm not sure how many pages currently use it, since it has no category of its own. It adds to the VAV-Stub category [[:Category:Stub-Class Veganism and Vegetarianism articles]] (population 147). But a stub template is better than the mere talk page Stub class. It is more visible and inviting to users who might expand the respective article. I'll add it to some of the 147 pages <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Trimton|<span style="color:white;background:#a67b5b;">'''‎⠀Trimton⠀‎‎'''</span>]]</span> 23:35, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
+* {{tfd links|Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub}}
-::Update: added it to 10ish articles <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Trimton|<span style="color:white;background:#a67b5b;">'''‎⠀Trimton⠀‎‎'''</span>]]</span> 23:47, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
-*On the contrary, it meets TfD #2: ''The template is redundant to a better-designed template.'' Until you added the template to those 10 articles, the template was not used on any articles, unproposed at WPSS, and redundant to {{tl|WikiProject Veganism and Vegetarianism}}, which accomplishes the WPVAV purpose appropriately. (N.B. The wording of the template is simply a copy/paste from a correctly formed, correctly used stub template.) If you want to propose {{tl|veganism-stub}} and/or {{tl|vegetarianism-stub}}, please do so at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals|WPSS]] - but please read the proposal guidelines on that page first. Thanks. '''[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Pegship|?]]''')</small> 16:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
-*Your interpretation of redundancy would mean we can't have stub templates for topics covered by Wikiprojects, since you could always use only the project talk page template. This interpretation is not consensus, or can you shown otherwise? It would entail eliminating [[Template:Agri-stub]] and many others, too, since [[WP:AGRICULTURE]] can categorise stubs via its talk page [[Template:WikiProject Agriculture]].
-:Your other issue seems to be that under [[WP:NEWSTUB]], stub templates should go through the [[WP: WPSS|Wikiproject Stub Sorting discussion process]]. But having skipped the process is no deletion reason for templates at [[WP:TFD#REASONS]]. WP:NEWSTUB is part of [[WP:STUB]]. That's just a guideline, not Wikipedia policy. {{tq|Editors should attempt to follow guidelines, though they are best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply}}, says [[WP:GUIDES]]. In the present case, common sense tells us that if there are 147 stubs categorised by the VAV talk page template, then there is obvious scope for a stub template to be displayed on some of those articles itself. We can skip deletion and submission to WPSS, since it is obvious it would pass at WPSS. let's not be [[WP:BURO]] when instead we can use the existing stub to entice more people to add material to stubs, thereby {{tq|improving Wikipedia}} ([[WP:IGNORE]]).
-:As to not being in use: I'll use it, and I'll make sure to recommend it to the other VAV wikiproject members.
-:As to your proposal for separate vegan and vegetarian stub types, I think their scope would be too small. Anyhow, most articles could use both stub templates since they usually discuss both vegetarianism and veganism. Perhaps you could convince me on this point, but not on deletion of the only stub template we have. <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Trimton|<span style="color:white;background:#a67b5b;">'''‎⠀Trimton⠀‎‎'''</span>]]</span> 22:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
-::My interpretation, since {{tl|Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub}} was unused and {{tl|WikiProject Veganism and Vegetarianism}} existed for the use of the VAV project, was that the {{tl|Veganism-and-Vegetarianism-stub}} had been created in error and replaced by {{tl|WikiProject Veganism and Vegetarianism}}. My original explanation was not clear, I think. (Also, it looks like the majority of the "Stub-Class Veganism and Vegetarianism articles" are about people who are vegans or vegetarians but are not notable for that fact. Just saying.) I don't feel strongly enough to pursue this further, so I will step back and allow others to form a consensus. '''[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Pegship|?]]''')</small> 04:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 ==== [[Template:Richard Cheese]] ====
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+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 21:55, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|Richard Cheese}}
 Everything in this template just redirects to the article about the band. There are two albums that have articles, which I've also AfD'd as not-notable. [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 17:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' Very unhelpful for navigation. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 21:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 *'''Delete'''. Decieving "sea-of-blue" navbox, which is already accomplished with [[Richard Cheese#Discography|this section.]] — [[User:CVValue|CVValue]] ([[User talk:CVValue|talk]]) 16:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
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