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Image:Sonicscrewdriver.jpg

Image:Sonicscrewdriver.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Khaosworks (notify | contribs).

copyrighted image failing wp:nfc - #1, replacable with Image:Toy sonic screwdrivers.png Fasach Nua (talk) 02:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Since there is an alternate image for this. Stuart DD _{contributions} 17:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - now a proper fair use rationale, the change from the 1970s to 2005 version is dicussed in the article. The use of the toy sonic screwdriver instead of the shot from the episode is inappropriate for use as the design is still copyright BBC - it would be like using a photograph of a book as a free image to show the copyrighted cover. Will ^(talk) 17:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are different rules governing images of 2D and 3D objects, the obvious Doctor Who usage would be the TARDIS, the copyright to the design belongs to the BBC, however a photo of this 3D object taken in the UK is available under a free licence, and widely used in this wikiproject. Fasach Nua (talk) 17:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the TARDIS' copyright is a controversial subject - both the Metropolitan Police and the BBC claim they own the image rights to the police box (and a point can be made that the image is uncopyrightable as well). Will ^(talk) 18:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the TARDIS is not copyrighted, but trademarked; as the design preceded Doctor Who, it is not eligable for copyrigth by the BBC. That is why the TARDIS can be used. The image of the toy however, falls strictly speaking under NFCC (see the looong discussions on Transormers toys). In that light, I prefer to keep the screenshot and delete the toy photo. — Edokter • Talk • 18:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you link that discussion? please Fasach Nua (talk) 19:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

— Edokter • Talk • 23:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting those, this seems to be definitve, If the copyright status of he two images is the same, then quality of image, would suggest keeping the TV screenshot, and removing the toy (WP:NFC 3a) Fasach Nua (talk) 23:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The design of the object, prop or toy, is subject to copyright, a photo of the toy isn't going to be any more free than a screen cap of the prop. - J Greb (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think a photograph of a toy is considered to be a derivative work. Addhoc (talk) 18:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image kept. Image is not replaceable by an image of toy sonic screwdrivers, both are fair use. -Nv8200p talk 01:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Iriswildthyme.jpg

Image:Iriswildthyme.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Rob T Firefly (notify | contribs).

copyrighted image failing wp:nfc - #8, a picture used to illustrate a character from a book, and radio play is nonsencical

derivative work of copyrighted text (assuming this plaque was created by the state and not federal governent, which seems plausible because it's a minnesota heritage trail) Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose deletion. This work is a photograph of an image created by a government unit of the state of Minnesota, which is public data under the Minnesota Data Practices Act. Minnesota Statute Section 13.03, subdivision 1. As set forth in an opinion of the Minnesota Attorney General, public data such as an informational work may be used for noncommercial, nonprofit activity, including teaching and scholarship. The sign is informational and itself is educational; the use in Wikipedia of an image of the sign is for purposes of teaching and scholarship. Accordingly its use on Wikipedia is permissible, although it may be appropriate to amend the claimed license to specifically refer to this rationale. Kablammo (talk) 00:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Non-commercial permission is considered non-free in Wikipedia terms, and nothing in WP:NONFREE allows this image to stay. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair use is permitted. Kablammo (talk) 01:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Without this copyrighted text, however, readers would not know any less about the bridge, which is required by WP:NFCC 8. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Deletion Is it deleted already? But this is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed. Note:
- It does not have a copyright indication on it. The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
- Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this. One with plaques is a plaques website.
- Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices. Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary. Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.) Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. doncram (talk) 01:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S80502979_1880.jpg

Image:S80502979_1880.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Zazuoo (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S747665547_1810300_9223.jpeg

Image:S747665547_1810300_9223.jpeg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Akua1969 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S666.jpg

Image:S666.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by .:T:. (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S6300370.JPG

Image:S6300370.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sierra_bby12 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S6302195.JPG

Image:S6302195.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jobie23 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S6000022.jpg

Image:S6000022.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Chrishamsandwich (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S5003752.JPG

Image:S5003752.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Icecream_96 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S5001917.JPG

Image:S5001917.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by XxGeezxx (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S49301030_8804.jpg

Image:S49301030_8804.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Morfin_pepe (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S4022442.JPG

Image:S4022442.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hellocatalyst (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S40010817_30423600_6181.jpg

Image:S40010817_30423600_6181.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Principalityclothing (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S4010006.JPG

Image:S4010006.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by YB19 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S3081018.jpg

Image:S3081018.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Captain_amazo (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S3010066_copy.jpg

Image:S3010066_copy.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Koolbreezeuk (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S3010130.JPG

Image:S3010130.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kelairdogg (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:S3000002.JPG

Image:S3000002.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sigboy (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:SibleyHousePlaque1.jpg

Image:SibleyHousePlaque1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted plaque (erected by minn historical society, 1997) Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Deletion This is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed. Note:
- It does not have a copyright indication on it. The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
- Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this. One with plaques is a plaques website.
- Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices. Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary. Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.) Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. doncram (talk) 01:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
These photos have originality. How do they not generate a new copyright? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.119.135 (talk) 07:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:RamseyMillplaque.jpg

Image:RamseyMillplaque.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Deletion This is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed. Note:
- It does not have a copyright indication on it. The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
- Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this. One with plaques is a plaques website.
- Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices. Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary. Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.) Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. doncram (talk) 01:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I believe this is covered under {{PD-MNGov}}

Image:SibleyHousePlaque2.jpg

Image:SibleyHousePlaque2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted plaque Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Deletion Is it already deleted? But this is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed. Note:
- It does not have a copyright indication on it. The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
- Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this. One with plaques is a plaques website.
- Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices. Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary. Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.) Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. doncram (talk) 01:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:TWirth.jpg

Image:TWirth.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

no indication of where this photo was originally from - it's probably still copyrighted Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the copyright tag - life of the creator plus 100 years

Image:Minnehahaparkmap.jpg

Image:Minnehahaparkmap.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Johnhstevensplaque.JPG

Image:Johnhstevensplaque.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted plaque Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Portaging.jpg

Image:Portaging.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Josephnic.jpg

Image:Josephnic.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:GrandRounds.jpg

Image:GrandRounds.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JosephNicolletPlaque.jpg

Image:JosephNicolletPlaque.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Islandbusinessesplaque.jpg

Image:Islandbusinessesplaque.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:BellofTwoFriendsPlaque.jpg

Image:BellofTwoFriendsPlaque.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Stevensplaque.jpg

Image:Stevensplaque.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Elizawinston.jpg

Image:Elizawinston.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:MoundsBeacon.jpg

Image:MoundsBeacon.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Deletion This is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed. Note:
- It does not have a copyright indication on it. The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
- Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this. One with plaques is a plaques website.
- Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices. Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary. Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.) Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. doncram (talk) 01:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I believe this is covered under {{PD-MNGov}}

Image deleted. There is no proof this is not copyrighted just because it is erected for the public to read. It does not have to have any copyright indication on it to be copyrighted. This plaque was erected by the Metropolitan Airports Commission, which is a quasi-governmental entity created by state law and they have copyrighted their website. No reason to think their other creations, like this marker, are not copyrighted also. I believe the {{PD-MNGov}} is bogus. Making information accessible to the public is not the same as the information being released to the public domain. -Nv8200p talk 01:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Minnehahamap.jpg

Image:Minnehahamap.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted map Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Nope - this one I created with a drawing package on my computer, while looking at a copyrighted map.--Appraiser (talk) 17:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ok, never mind then. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Image kept -Nv8200p talk 20:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Dividemn.jpg

Image:Dividemn.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Appraiser (notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Deletion This is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed, it is published into the public domain deliberately. Note:
- It does not have a copyright indication on it. The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
- Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this. One with plaques is a plaques website.
- Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices. Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary. Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.) Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. doncram (talk) 01:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I believe this is covered under {{PD-MNGov}} (Minnesota Dept. of Transportation)

Image deleted. There is no proof this is not copyrighted just because it is erected for the public to read. It does not have to have any copyright indication on it to be copyrighted. This plaque was erected by the Minnesota Historical Society, a private not-for-profit organization chartered in 1849 by the Minnesota Territorial Legislature (but not a state agency). They have copyrighted their website. No reason to think their other creations, like this marker, are not copyrighted also. {{PD-MNGov}} would not apply in this, but I believe the {{PD-MNGov}} is bogus. Making information accessible to the public is not the same as the information being released to the public domain. -Nv8200p talk 02:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:CIE 1931 triangle.png

Image:CIE 1931 triangle.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mdd4696 (notify | contribs).

Stupid pointless image by a guy who didn't know what he was doing, with no possible use, and now stupid VB code to boot. Dicklyon (talk) 03:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Who you callin' stupid? Anyway I've deleted the image since, as you said, there's really no point in having it here. Anyway, don't criticize learning! ~MDD 46 96 03:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Calling the image stupid, not you. You're obviously smart since you deleted it, and since you can write VB code. Thanks. Dicklyon (talk) 03:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Helen Shapiro at Bury.jpg

Image:Helen Shapiro at Bury.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Colin marks (notify | contribs).

Image is far too low in resolution. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 13:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Pca12.jpg

Image:Pca12.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Solumeiras (notify | contribs).

I can't move this to Wikimedia Commons, I added Krimpet's javascript but it didn't work. Solumeiras (talk) 21:42, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:KhaiTamManual.jpg

Image:KhaiTamManual.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Slartibartfast4142 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 22:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kings_cup.jpg

Image:Kings_cup.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Supakila (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 22:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete For all the reasons already given. No reason for this picture to sit there and "collect dust". нмŵוτн τ 23:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kiss_Me,_Kate_2003.jpg

Image:Kiss_Me,_Kate_2003.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Coachman76 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned low resolution image Nv8200p talk 22:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kissiassity.pdf

Image:Kissiassity.pdf (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kimbah (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 22:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kissmichaelparodi.jpg

Image:Kissmichaelparodi.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Andrew_Parodi (notify | contribs).

Orphaned personal photo, Low quality Nv8200p talk 22:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kk_end_speech2.JPG

Image:Kk_end_speech2.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Gessa (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Low quality, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 22:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kevin_side_profileMay12006.jpg

Image:Kevin_side_profileMay12006.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Gessa (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 23:00, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kltup128-32.gif

Image:Kltup128-32.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Areskaratepe (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 23:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kobzon's_Character-assassination.pdf

Image:Kobzon's_Character-assassination.pdf (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Georgeko (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Original research Nv8200p talk 23:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Konkan_photo_2.jpg

Image:Konkan_photo_2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Stephguitar (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 23:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Koscho.jpg

Image:Koscho.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by ChunkySoup (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 23:11, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kourosh-(27).gif

Image:Kourosh-(27).gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sina_rajaee (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 23:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Koyote.jpg

Image:Koyote.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by JpKllA (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 23:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Wikipediaclairejudson.jpg

Image:Wikipediaclairejudson.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Pattoma2 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned image that accompanied a speedy deleted article. --Allen3 ^talk 23:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::::Thanks for posting those, [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Derivative_works this] seems to be definitve, If the copyright status of he two images is the same, then quality of image, would suggest '''keeping''' the TV screenshot, and '''removing''' the toy ([[WP:NFC]] 3a) [[User:Fasach Nua|Fasach Nua]] ([[User talk:Fasach Nua|talk]]) 23:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' - The design of the object, prop or toy, is subject to copyright, a photo of the toy ''isn't'' going to be any more free than a screen cap of the prop. - [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 23:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' - I think a photograph of a toy is considered to be a derivative work. [[User:Addhoc|Addhoc]] ([[User talk:Addhoc|talk]]) 18:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
+----
+Image '''kept'''. Image is not replaceable by an image of toy sonic screwdrivers, both are fair use. -[[User:Nv8200p|Nv8200p]] [[User_talk:Nv8200p|talk]] 01:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
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 **Non-commercial permission is considered non-free in Wikipedia terms, and nothing in [[WP:NONFREE]] allows this image to stay. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 01:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 ***Fair use is permitted.  [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] ([[User talk:Kablammo|talk]]) 01:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
+****Without this copyrighted text, however, readers would not know any less about the bridge, which is required by [[WP:NFCC]] 8. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 18:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose Deletion''' Is it deleted already?  But this is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed.  Note:
+**It does not have a copyright indication on it.  The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
+**Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this.  One with plaques is [http://www.waynecook.com/historiclist.html a plaques website].
+**Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices.  Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary.  Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.)  Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. [[User:Doncram|doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 01:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:SibleyHousePlaque1.jpg}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:SibleyHousePlaque1.jpg|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:SibleyHousePlaque1.jpg}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:SibleyHousePlaque1.jpg}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:SibleyHousePlaque1.jpg}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:Appraiser#Image:SibleyHousePlaque1.jpg listed for deletion|Appraiser]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:Appraiser|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span><!-- Fix me: The included template outputs a section header, but Mediawiki with "require edit summaries" turned on won't save the page unless a section header is added. Also, if possible please populate the new talk page message with the name of the deleted image.--> | [[Special:Contributions/Appraiser|contribs]]).
 *derivative work of copyrighted plaque (erected by minn historical society, 1997) [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 01:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose Deletion''' This is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed.  Note:
+**It does not have a copyright indication on it.  The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
+**Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this.  One with plaques is [http://www.waynecook.com/historiclist.html a plaques website].
+**Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices.  Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary.  Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.)  Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. [[User:Doncram|doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 01:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
+*These photos have originality. How do they not generate a new copyright?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.14.119.135|24.14.119.135]] ([[User talk:24.14.119.135|talk]]) 07:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:RamseyMillplaque.jpg}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:RamseyMillplaque.jpg|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:RamseyMillplaque.jpg}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:RamseyMillplaque.jpg}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:RamseyMillplaque.jpg}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:Appraiser#Image:RamseyMillplaque.jpg listed for deletion|Appraiser]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:Appraiser|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span><!-- Fix me: The included template outputs a section header, but Mediawiki with "require edit summaries" turned on won't save the page unless a section header is added. Also, if possible please populate the new talk page message with the name of the deleted image.--> | [[Special:Contributions/Appraiser|contribs]]).
 *derivative of copyrighted sign [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 01:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose Deletion''' This is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed.  Note:
+**It does not have a copyright indication on it.  The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
+**Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this.  One with plaques is [http://www.waynecook.com/historiclist.html a plaques website].
+**Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices.  Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary.  Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.)  Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. [[User:Doncram|doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 01:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose''' I believe this is covered under {{tl|PD-MNGov}}
 ====[[:Image:SibleyHousePlaque2.jpg]]====
 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:SibleyHousePlaque2.jpg}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:SibleyHousePlaque2.jpg|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:SibleyHousePlaque2.jpg}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:SibleyHousePlaque2.jpg}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:SibleyHousePlaque2.jpg}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:Appraiser#Image:SibleyHousePlaque2.jpg listed for deletion|Appraiser]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:Appraiser|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span><!-- Fix me: The included template outputs a section header, but Mediawiki with "require edit summaries" turned on won't save the page unless a section header is added. Also, if possible please populate the new talk page message with the name of the deleted image.--> | [[Special:Contributions/Appraiser|contribs]]).
 *derivative work of copyrighted plaque [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 01:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose Deletion''' Is it already deleted?   But this is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed.  Note:
+**It does not have a copyright indication on it.  The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
+**Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this.  One with plaques is [http://www.waynecook.com/historiclist.html a plaques website].
+**Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices.  Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary.  Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.)  Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. [[User:Doncram|doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 01:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 ====[[:Image:TWirth.jpg]]====
 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:TWirth.jpg}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:TWirth.jpg|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:TWirth.jpg}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:TWirth.jpg}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:TWirth.jpg}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:Appraiser#Image:TWirth.jpg listed for deletion|Appraiser]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:Appraiser|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span><!-- Fix me: The included template outputs a section header, but Mediawiki with "require edit summaries" turned on won't save the page unless a section header is added. Also, if possible please populate the new talk page message with the name of the deleted image.--> | [[Special:Contributions/Appraiser|contribs]]).
 *no indication of where this photo was originally from - it's probably still copyrighted [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 01:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
+*I fixed the copyright tag - life of the creator plus 100 years
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 *derivative work of copyrighted sign [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 01:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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 ====[[:Image:MoundsBeacon.jpg]]====
 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:MoundsBeacon.jpg}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:MoundsBeacon.jpg|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:MoundsBeacon.jpg}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:MoundsBeacon.jpg}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:MoundsBeacon.jpg}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:Appraiser#Image:MoundsBeacon.jpg listed for deletion|Appraiser]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:Appraiser|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span><!-- Fix me: The included template outputs a section header, but Mediawiki with "require edit summaries" turned on won't save the page unless a section header is added. Also, if possible please populate the new talk page message with the name of the deleted image.--> | [[Special:Contributions/Appraiser|contribs]]).
 *derivative work of copyrighted sign [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 01:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose Deletion''' This is not copyrighted, it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed.  Note:
+**It does not have a copyright indication on it.  The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
+**Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this.  One with plaques is [http://www.waynecook.com/historiclist.html a plaques website].
+**Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices.  Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary.  Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.)  Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. [[User:Doncram|doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 01:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose''' I believe this is covered under {{tl|PD-MNGov}}
+----
+Image '''deleted'''. There is no proof this is not copyrighted just because it is erected for the public to read. It does not have to have any copyright indication on it to be copyrighted. This plaque was erected by the Metropolitan Airports Commission, which is a quasi-governmental entity created by state law and they have copyrighted their website. No reason to think their other creations, like this marker, are not copyrighted also. I believe the {{tl|PD-MNGov}} is bogus. Making information accessible to the public is not the same as the information being released to the public domain. -[[User:Nv8200p|Nv8200p]] [[User_talk:Nv8200p|talk]] 01:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).  No further edits should be made to this section.'' <!--Template:Ffd bottom--></div>
 ====[[:Image:Minnehahamap.jpg]]====
 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:Minnehahamap.jpg}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:Minnehahamap.jpg|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:Minnehahamap.jpg}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:Minnehahamap.jpg}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:Minnehahamap.jpg}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:Appraiser#Image:Minnehahamap.jpg listed for deletion|Appraiser]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:Appraiser|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span><!-- Fix me: The included template outputs a section header, but Mediawiki with "require edit summaries" turned on won't save the page unless a section header is added. Also, if possible please populate the new talk page message with the name of the deleted image.--> | [[Special:Contributions/Appraiser|contribs]]).
 *derivative work of copyrighted map [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 01:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
+**Nope - this one I created with a drawing package on my computer, while looking at a copyrighted map.--[[User:Appraiser|Appraiser]] ([[User talk:Appraiser|talk]]) 17:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
+***Ok, never mind then. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 14:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
+****Image '''kept''' -[[User:Nv8200p|Nv8200p]] [[User_talk:Nv8200p|talk]] 20:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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 ====[[:Image:Dividemn.jpg]]====
 :<span class="plainlinksneverexpand lx">[[:Image:{{ucfirst:Dividemn.jpg}}]] ([{{fullurl:Image:Dividemn.jpg|action=delete}} delete] | [[Image talk:{{ucfirst:Dividemn.jpg}}|talk]] | [{{fullurl::Image:{{ucfirst:Dividemn.jpg}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode::Image:{{ucfirst:Dividemn.jpg}}}}}} logs])</span> - uploaded by [[User talk:Appraiser#Image:Dividemn.jpg listed for deletion|Appraiser]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User_talk:Appraiser|action=edit&preload=Template:idw_preload&editintro=Template:idw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span><!-- Fix me: The included template outputs a section header, but Mediawiki with "require edit summaries" turned on won't save the page unless a section header is added. Also, if possible please populate the new talk page message with the name of the deleted image.--> | [[Special:Contributions/Appraiser|contribs]]).
 *derivative work of copyrighted sign [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 01:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose Deletion''' This is ''not copyrighted'', it is a historical plaque which is put out there to be read and photographed, it is published into the public domain deliberately.  Note:
+**It does not have a copyright indication on it.  The historical society that put it up wants the information known and expressly does not copyright it.
+**Also there are numerous websites which photograph plaques and/or gravestones, consistent with there being no problem with this.  One with plaques is [http://www.waynecook.com/historiclist.html a plaques website].
+**Consider somewhat different issue of stock market prices.  Stock markets may want to copyright and sell the open, high, low, closing prices of their stocks, but it is found that they cannot both publish such information daily in newspapers and claim that it is proprietary.  Hence it is public domain if you will collect it from the newspapers (you can copyright a database of collected, verified, modified stock prices however.)  Here, we are collecting it from the field observations directly. [[User:Doncram|doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 01:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose''' I believe this is covered under {{tl|PD-MNGov}} (Minnesota Dept. of Transportation)
+----
+Image '''deleted'''. There is no proof this is not copyrighted just because it is erected for the public to read. It does not have to have any copyright indication on it to be copyrighted. This plaque was erected by the Minnesota Historical Society, a private not-for-profit organization chartered in 1849 by the Minnesota Territorial Legislature (but not a state agency). They have copyrighted their website. No reason to think their other creations, like this marker, are not copyrighted also. {{tl|PD-MNGov}} would not apply in this, but I believe the {{tl|PD-MNGov}} is bogus. Making information accessible to the public is not the same as the information being released to the public domain. -[[User:Nv8200p|Nv8200p]] [[User_talk:Nv8200p|talk]] 02:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
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