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The result of the discussion was: '''relisted'''<!--Template:Ffd top--> on [[Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2021 October 10#File:Atlanta 96 Gold - Copy.jpg|2021 October 10]]. [[User talk:Fastily|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS';color:Indigo;font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-size:120%;">F</span><span style="font-size:90%;">ASTILY</span></span>]] 09:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC) |
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Non-free use in [[:Shannon Miller]] which fails [[:WP:NFCC#1]] and [[:WP:NFCC#8]], and in [[:1996 Summer Olympics]] which fails [[:WP:NFCC#10c]]. I'm not seeing any sourced critical commentary in [[:Shannon Miller#1996]] is specifically about this imagery of the medal that justifies it's non-free use per [[:WP:NFC#CS]]. More specifically, an image of the medal that Miller won at that Olympics doesn't really need to be seen for the reader to understand that she won the medal per [[:WP:FREER]], and the non-free use rationale's claim that image is needed to "illustrate a point in the article" is pretty by definition [[:WP:DECORATIVE|decorative non-free use]]. I can't see any way to justify the file's use in the Miller article and suggest that it be removed from that article. {{pb}}The non-free use [[:1996 Summer Olympics#Sports]] actually makes more sense per [[:WP:NFCC#8]] since perhaps there's some sourced critical commentary about the medal's design could be found and added to that particular section and help justify it's non-free use; however, the file is currently without a non-free use rationale for that article which means it can be removed per [[:WP:NFCCE]]. This could possibly be a keep if the file's use in the 1996 article can be better justified; otherwise, the file will most likely need to be deleted. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 08:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*It is a low resolution photo of the item. It doesn't lack contextual signifigance. If the article points out, in the lead, that she was the most successful US athlete in the 1996 games, having a representation of what that looks like is helpful and in context. In addition, since the medals for each games are different, showing the ones for these particular games, such as in the 1996 Summer Olympics article, has value. Both of these are more than mere decoration. I expanded the rationale to reflect this. Clearly this low res picture doesn't degrade the copyright holder's commercial opportunities. [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 12:15, 9 August 2021 (UTC) |
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**If the medals are different for each Olympic Games and sourced critical commentary about the design of the medals for the 2016 games can be found and added to [[:1996 Summer Olympics]] and then a corresponding [[:WP:FUR|non-free use rationale]] added to the file's page, then it might be possible to justify the file's use in that particular article per [[:WP:NFC#CS]]. A separate specific non-free use rationale needs to be provided for each use per [[:WP:NFCCE]]; otherwise, the file can be removed simply for not having one and there doesn't seem to be a way to write a valid rationale based upon how the file is currently in [[:1996 Summer Olympics#Sports]]. As for the use in the Miller article, I disagree that a non-free image of a single medal represents that {{tq|she was the most successful US athlete in the 1996 games}}. A visual representation of that is borderline decorative non-free use to begin with, but this isn't even a picture showing Miller with or wearing all of the medals she won. There have been quite a number of multiple gold medal winners over years at various Olympic games and such achievements can be more than sufficiently understood by readers of such articles without actually seeing images of the medals they won. So, the reader doesn't need to see a non-free picture of a gold medal to understand that Miller won any gold medals in 1996; moreover, there's nothing special about the design of this medal that's really contextually tied to Miller, at least nothing currently in [[:Shannon Miller#1996]] or anywhere else in the article, that would be hard for the reader to understand if they didn't see this particular image. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 23:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC) |
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***I disagree that there needs to be critical commentary about design differences to be relevant to the depiction. Miller wasn't wearing them at the event. If you can find an image of her wearing them, that would be a good replacement. Until then, images of Miller and of the medal will have to fill that void. [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 16:36, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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* '''Remove''' from [[Shannon Miller]]. The fact that she won a gold medal can be explained in text. There is no need to include an image of the medal.{{pb}}The image currently fails [[WP:NFCC#10c]] in [[1996 Summer Olympics]]. [[WP:NFCI]] §2 says that logos can be used for identification and for Olympic games I think that the same can be said about the mascot and maybe the medal. Is the medal always the same? If they only change the roman numeral, the city name and the year, then I think that the image runs afoul of [[WP:NFC#UUI]] §14. If, on the other hand, the image also changes, then it is maybe only [[WP:NFCC#10c]] which is violated in the article. --[[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 11:09, 3 September 2021 (UTC) |
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**No, the medals aren't all the same. Any easy way to demonstarate that is..... by photos. Question: What makes this picture unacceptable but makes ones like this [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1964_Winter_Olympics_medals.JPG] ok? [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 13:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC) |
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*** Files uploaded to Commons are not subject to [[:WP:NFCC|Wikipedia's non-free content use policy]] which means there are way less restrictions placed upon how they may be used. The file being discussed here was uploaded locally to English Wikipedia as [[:WP:NFC|non-free content]] and, therefore, its use is subject to Wikipedia's non-free content use policy as explained in [[:WP:NFC#Applied to Wikipedia]]. Please note that uploading a file to Commons doesn't automatically mean its licensing is OK because files are constantly being deleted from Commons for [[:c:COM:D|a variety of reasons]]; however, that's an issue that would need to be resolved on Commons. If you have a concerns involving the 1964 medals photo, you can ask about them at [[:c:COM:VPC]], but there could be a variety of reasons the photo might be OK, including the information found in [[:c:COM:CB#Museum and interior photography]] and [[:c:COM:Switzerland]]. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:15, 7 September 2021 (UTC) |
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****I didn't say I had a concern. I asked what the difference it. I'm actually trying to improve Wikipedia, but I'm starting to get tired of you talking to me like I'm an idiot. I have over 40,000 edits on English Wikipedia and have uploads at the commons as well. I'm asking how to do it better, so giving me some useless "things get deleted" wikilink as if I don't understand the basics borders on insulting. Clearly, you're not going to try to help see how we can retain the picture. Your interest in in deletion only. [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 14:24, 8 September 2021 (UTC) |
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*****I wasn't trying to make you feel stupid. You asked a question and I tried to answer. Since you're question involved an image on Commons, I just tried to point out that such things cannot be resolved here on English Wikipedia. Anyway, my apologies if the wording of my post or the links I added somehow seemed insulting because that was not my intent.{{pb}}I did explain my concerns about the file and what I think is needed to keep using it both the Miller and 1996 Summer Olympics articles. You seemed to disagree; so, there seemed to be no need to restate the reasons why I nominated the file for discussion.{{pb}}I am curious though as to why you think the same file uploaded to Commons under [[:File:Atlanta 96 Gold medal.jpg|a different name]] is now your 100% "own work" and OK to release under a free license. Is there some reason for you to believe the engraving and design of the medal is not protected by copyright? Such things actually are often eligible for copyright protection per [[:C:COM:CB#Jewelry]] and [[:c:COM:CB#Engravings]]. So, unless you're actually the creator of the medal, then your photograph would seem to be a [[:WP:Derivative work]] in which there are two copyrights that need to be considered: the one for the photo and the one for the photographed item. Since the photograph entirely focuses on the medal, it would be hard to argue [[:c:COM:DM|de minimis]] in this case, which means the copyright status of the medal needs to also be taken into account. I thought this was the reason why the file's licensing was converted by you to non-free per [[:Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2016 March 28#File:Atlanta 96 Gold - Copy.jpg.]]. If something has change since then and you can clarify what it is, then perhaps this FFD can be quickly resolved. The file uploaded to Wikipedia is now orphaned non-free use and will be deleted per [[:WP:F5]] if it remains as such. However, if the Commons file cannot be kept because of [[:c:COM:DW]], it will end up deleted as well. Maybe it would be better to re-add the non-free file to the articles where it was being used until any issues with the one you uploaded to Commons are resolved or this FFD is closed, whichever happens first. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 05:01, 9 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::*I don't magically think it's my own work etc. I'm trying to navigate this as best I can. The focus may be on the medal, but the low resolution photo hardly diminishes the original copyright holders commercial opportunities. Nothing has changed from the conversion. I still believe all of those to be correct. [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 16:35, 9 September 2021 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was: relisted on 2021 October 10. FASTILY 09:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Atlanta 96 Gold - Copy.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT⚡ 02:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- File:Guinness Award OV6948 and OVM6948.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Finfwaz (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Unused promotional (?) image, attributed to somebody other than the uploader; dubious self-work claim FASTILY 11:13, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 05:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- File:Ajumako-Enyan-Essiam District logo.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by MarkMysoe (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Orphaned; superseded by File:Ajumako-Enyan-Essiam District logo.png. — Pbrks (talk) 16:24, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Per nomination --Elephanthunter (talk) 04:06, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, redundant to PNG file. Salavat (talk) 05:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- File:AnglicanChurchGS.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Loopla (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Orphaned; superseded by File:Anglican Church Grammar School logo.png. — Pbrks (talk) 16:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Per nomination --Elephanthunter (talk) 04:09, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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