Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/McKinney homicide

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. While some editors suggest that America's Most Wanted provides the main coverage of this topic and that alone is not sufficient to demonstrate notability, other editors have shown a variety of sources which can be used to demonstrated notability. And it is this later effort which has gained a consensus of participating editors here. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:57, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

McKinney homicide

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Local crime with no lasting impact or coverage. Being featured on America's Most Wanted does not confer notability. And Wikipedia is not a newspaper or newswire service. KidAd • SPEAK 02:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 02:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 02:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
• Keep: I believe that sources show significant coverage and the article passes WP:GNG. Just because it is local does not mean there was no lasting coverage, it appears to have made headlines for a while, including up to the sentencing. ––FormalDude talk 07:16, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:EVENTCRIT and WP:NOTNEWS, especially since all coverage is strictly local. Mlb96 (talk) 04:08, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Mlb96: WP:LOCALCOVERAGE states that the coverage must be regional for notability, and that is clearly the case here, with multiple outlets in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metropolitan Area reporting on the crime. ––FormalDude talk 02:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• 'Delete-per nom. Best Regards.---✨LazyManiik✨ 05:21, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment: Within 9 minutes the above user copy-pasted either "keep as above" or "delete per nom" on 10 AFDs, clearly disruptive editing in my opinion. I think the comment should be disregarded. The user is welcome to return to make actual comments. Geschichte (talk) 08:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Agree with Geschichte. ––FormalDude talk 08:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The producers of America's Most Wanted are not proper arbiters of notability. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:36, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
• Keep - Evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources (e.g., Dallas Morning News, NBC News, AP, and amazingly Taiwan News) continuing for more than a decade after the initial event makes this event a sure pass for WP:LASTING. This is particularly the case given that the death sentence was appealed to the US Supreme Court. WP:AUD is a requirement for articles about Corporations/Organisations so I honestly don't know why people are raising the idea that the coverage is purely "local" above. NBC and AP are national coverage anyway - there is no sign that this news was published only on local affiliate websites (though NBC's DFW affiliate gave coverage to this last year, and Dallas-Fortworth is arguably at least a "region" given it having a population of more than 6 million people) . The point about America's Most Wanted above is simply misguided - this is not the basis of notability of this article. FOARP (talk) 10:48, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
• Keep - per FOARP, who makes a persuasive case and investigation for keeping the article. --Killuminator (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment @FOARP: and @FormalDude: WP:GEOSCOPE is the relevant guideline here, since this is an event, and a single metro area is clearly an "immediate region." While FOARP did provide some national coverage, I'm still not entirely convinced that this meets either WP:EVENTCRIT or WP:NOTNEWS, so I'm leaving my !vote as is. Mlb96 (talk) 03:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Mlb96 - thanks for responding. Obviously the guides can be read different ways, but I disagree. In my view, coverage in diverse sources over 10+ years easily makes this WP:LASTING and puts it outside of WP:NOTNEWS. This falls pretty squarely between EVENTCRIT #1 and #2 in my view. I strongly disagree that a metro area with a population and land-area roughly that of Belgium is the "immediate region" in this context: "immediate region" here would be McKinney city or at most Collin County, of which McKinney is the capital - how else are we to interpret "immediate" other than that area that most closely surrounds the location where it happen? Expanding "immediate region" beyond that to include country-sized regions would make events with effects lasting years and reported over a long period of time in many countries automatically fail the guide, which cannot have been the intent of the guide given its emphasis on national-scale coverage. FOARP (talk) 09:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• Keep - per FOARP, who makes a good case. also per WP:GNG. Good sources.BabbaQ (talk) 18:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - I'd also favour renaming this to McKinney quadruple murder or similar as the name "Quadruple murder" is clearly favoured by the reliable sources. FOARP (talk) 11:43, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.