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Template:BART Blue Line Sunday

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the template's undeletion. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BART Blue Line Sunday (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused and the Dublin/Pleasanton–Daly City line already has a route map. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:52, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Pinnaroo railway line (SA) RDT

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Pinnaroo railway line. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pinnaroo railway line (SA) RDT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pinnaroo railway line (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Pinnaroo railway line (SA) RDT with Template:Pinnaroo railway line.
The templates are effectively similar (duplicate), with the exception for one template using sidings and the other template using station icons. If the merge goes ahead, I will move the merged template to include (SA) because I will create a template for the Victoria Pinnaroo Railway Line. Train of Knowledge (Talk) 23:33, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge One template is better than two for the same subject. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:06, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: Sensible and logical. I didn't realise way back when I created the new template that an old one existed. ~~

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Template:Cameron Highlands Labelled Map

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:34, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cameron Highlands Labelled Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Castile and León Provinces labelled map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Crimea Labelled Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Egypt governorates labelled map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Egypt governorates labelled map (small) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Graubünden districts labelled map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:India Labelled Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pomeranian Voivodeship Labelled Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Russia Labelled Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:SNL labelled map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:SOJHL labelled map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Tamil Nadu District Labelled Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:West Azerbaijan Labelled Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused maps and not needed anywhere. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as still unused after 1 week. Template:Cameron Highlands Labelled Map was the only one added to an article but its inclusion looks awful and messes up the entire page. So I support deleting that one also. Gonnym (talk) 10:20, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Cambodian Provinces Image Map

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cambodian Provinces Image Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Federal subjects of Russia image map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Hebei Prefectures Image Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Laguna image map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Provinces of Burundi Image Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Provinces of Laos Image Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Provinces of Sierra Leone Image Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ptolemy's Ireland Map of Peoples (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Regions of Chile (Map) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Regions of Côte d'Ivoire Image Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Regions of Eritrea Image Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Regions of Ethiopia Image Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Tajikistan subdivisions Image Map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Trinidad image map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

All unused maps and not needed anywhere. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as still unused after 1 week. Gonnym (talk) 10:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:WikiProject Fungi Collaboration

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The result of the discussion was moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Fungi/Fungi Collaboration/Template Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Fungi Collaboration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template, part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Fungi/Fungi Collaboration, now marked as historical. No reasonable chance of future use. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(shrugs) weak keep....ideally one day if the project is more active it'd be great to resurrect this. As this is not clogging article space and wikipedia ain't paper, I see no reason to delete. I'm not gonna cry in my beer if deleted however. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:47, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. This can be undeleted in the unlikely event that the defunct-since-2007 collaboration restarts. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to WP:WikiProject Fungi/Fungi Collaboration/Template for the project's rejuvination per Casliber. As this template doesn't need to reside in template space, and this is a wikiproject specific template, it can reside in the projects subpages -- 65.92.246.43 (talk) 02:25, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 17:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:rtl-lang and Template:rtl-para

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 December 4. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:44, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Rtl-lang (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Rtl-para (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Inge Bernstein

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Maile66 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Did you know nominations/Inge Bernstein (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I have just realised this article is too old for DYK eligibility; self-nominated deletion. —AFreshStart (talk) 15:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Maile (talk) 19:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox US Supreme court cases

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox US Supreme court cases (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, seemingly redundant to Template:Infobox US Supreme Court case. Hog Farm _Talk 14:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This would have been a Speedy Delete per the former speedy T3 criterion. TFD is a formality in this case. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Tara Kemp track listing

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Tara Kemp track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, could possibly only ever be used in one article, and a prose list is used there instead. Hog Farm _Talk 14:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: redundant, the album article already has a track listing in the main body of the text, and this track listing can't be used on any other article. Richard3120 (talk) 20:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:(S1)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 20:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:(S1) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 November 13#Template:R1, the S-phrase templates in Category:S-phrase templates should be deprecated, placed in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell, replaced with relevant P phrases and deleted when unused.

Pinging previous discussion participents: User:Tom (LT), User:Graeme Bartlett, User:DePiep, User:Izno, User:Jonesey95 and closer User:Primefac. Gonnym (talk) 10:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They have already been tagged for deletion for a while. They have already been deprecated for years. They should have been discussed along with R1, but I think the nomination was not adequate to list the affected templates. I support the idea to replace by P phrases, and I am about the only one doing that job. However deleting will make a mess in the history of all the most important chemical articles, including ethanol. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Same treatment as TfD:R1 set (13 Nov 2021) (R1 holding pen)

I note that replacement with GHS phrases is an expert job, not an algorithm. User:Graeme Bartlett is working on this (petcan check: from 572 on Nov 1st down to 332 today :-). IOW, the pen process is patient, fine. -DePiep (talk) 08:38, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Cross-wiki user

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 December 4. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cross-wiki_user (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:100 Most Common Family Names in Mainland China

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 December 1. Izno (talk) 20:21, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:100_Most_Common_Family_Names_in_Mainland_China (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:101-200_Most_Common_Family_Names_in_Mainland_China (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:Usercat

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The result of the discussion was redirect to Template:User category. Izno (talk) 00:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Usercat (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

It's a pity that no one uses it now. Q28 left a message at 00:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You could use it, and then it wouldn't be orphaned :-) --Trovatore (talk) 04:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Redirect to Template:User category, which seems to do the same thing. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Lowercase title/old

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The result of the discussion was delete. History merged as requested. Izno (talk) 00:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lowercase title/old (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

It is no longer used. -- Q28 left a message at 00:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

History merge to Template:Lowercase title and delete. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:WelcomeMessage

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 00:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WelcomeMessage (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This is a welcome template but no longer in use. Q28 left a message at 00:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't seem to have been substituted since 2014 * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - better to centralize to a smaller number of welcome templates which can be kept up to date with the latest resources as Template:Welcome is. Also the look of that template is very dated. User:GKFX^talk 19:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:History of the Armée de l'Air

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 00:30, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:History of the Armée de l'Air (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

One thing I noticed is that this template is not being used. Q28 left a message at 00:03, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it certainly could be put to work. History of the Armée de l'Air (1909–1942) has no navigation templates between eras of the Air Force, and this seems to fit the bill -- 65.92.246.43 (talk) 03:28, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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+====[[Template:BART Blue Line Sunday]]====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''soft delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. Based on [[WP:NOQUORUM|minimal participation]], this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired [[WP:PROD|PROD]] (a.k.a. [[WP:SOFTDELETE|"soft deletion"]]). Editors can <span class="plainlinks">[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Wikipedia%3AXFDcloser%2FSoft_deletion_refund_preload&preloadparams%5b%5d={{urlencode:Template:BART Blue Line Sunday}}&preloadparams%5b%5d={{urlencode:Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 November 24#Template:BART Blue Line Sunday}}&editintro=Wikipedia%3AXFDcloser%2FSoft_deletion_refund_intro&preloadtitle={{urlencode:Template:BART Blue Line Sunday}}&section=new&title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_undeletion&create=Request request the template's undeletion]</span>. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 17:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
+* {{Tfd links|BART Blue Line Sunday}}
+Unused and the [[Dublin/Pleasanton–Daly City line]] already has a route map. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:52, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
+==== [[Template:Pinnaroo railway line (SA) RDT]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''merge'''<!-- Tfd top --> to [[Template:Pinnaroo railway line]]. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 17:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
+* {{Tfd links|Pinnaroo railway line (SA) RDT|module=|type=merge}}
+* {{Tfd links|Pinnaroo railway line|module=|type=merge}}
+'''Propose merging''' [[Template:Pinnaroo railway line (SA) RDT]] with [[Template:Pinnaroo railway line]].<br />
+The templates are effectively similar (duplicate), with the exception for one template using sidings and the other template using station icons. If the merge goes ahead, I will move the merged template to include (SA) because I will create a template for the Victoria Pinnaroo Railway Line. [[User:Train of Knowledge|Train of Knowledge]] ([[User talk:Train of Knowledge|Talk]]) 23:33, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Merge''' One template is better than two for the same subject. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 01:06, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Merge''': Sensible and logical. I didn't realise way back when I created the new template that an old one existed. ~~
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ====[[Template:Cameron Highlands Labelled Map]]====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 17:34, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|Cameron Highlands Labelled Map}}
 * {{Tfd links|Castile and León Provinces labelled map}}
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 * {{Tfd links|West Azerbaijan Labelled Map}}
 Unused maps and not needed anywhere. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+:'''Delete''' as still unused after 1 week. [[Template:Cameron Highlands Labelled Map]] was the only one added to an [[Cameron Highlands (federal constituency)|article]] but its inclusion looks awful and messes up the entire page. So I support deleting that one also. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:20, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ====[[Template:Cambodian Provinces Image Map]]====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 17:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|Cambodian Provinces Image Map}}
 * {{Tfd links|Federal subjects of Russia image map}}
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 * {{Tfd links|Trinidad image map}}
 All unused maps and not needed anywhere. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+:'''Delete''' as still unused after 1 week. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ==== [[Template:WikiProject Fungi Collaboration]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''moved'''<!-- Tfd top --> to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Fungi/Fungi Collaboration/Template]] [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 17:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|WikiProject Fungi Collaboration}}
 Unused template, part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Fungi/Fungi Collaboration]], now marked as historical. No reasonable chance of future use. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 17:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
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 *'''Rename''' to [[WP:WikiProject Fungi/Fungi Collaboration/Template]] for the project's rejuvination per Casliber. As this template doesn't need to reside in template space, and this is a wikiproject specific template, it can reside in the projects subpages -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.246.43|65.92.246.43]] ([[User talk:65.92.246.43|talk]]) 02:25, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 <p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ==== [[Template:rtl-lang]] and [[Template:rtl-para]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
-* {{Tfd links|Rtl-lang}}
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
-* {{Tfd links|Rtl-para}}
-Per discussion with {{u|Trappist the monk}} on the Talk page for rtl-lang, I think I'm right in saying that neither of these templates {{em|need}} to exist. Both {{tl|lang}} and {{tl|para}} seem to detect rtl-functionality as a matter of course now; there are a lot of extraneous language templates, and these are two of 'em. Please note I've been unable to properly add a deletion discussion notice to rtl-lang because the page is permanently template-protected; apologies. --[[User:Ineffablebookkeeper|Ineffablebookkeeper]] ([[User talk:Ineffablebookkeeper|talk]]) (&#123;&#123;[[Template:ping|ping]]&#125;&#125; me!) 16:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+The result of the discussion was '''relisted'''<!-- Tfd top --> on [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 December 4#Template:rtl-lang and Template:rtl-para|2021 December 4]]. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 17:44, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
-*'''Comment''': TFD banner added to {{tl|rtl-lang}}. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 18:57, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+* {{tfd links|Rtl-lang}}
-*'''Comment''' I came here because I use one of these templates on my user page. If they go will there be an alternative? And if so, what is it? [[User:Mccapra|Mccapra]] ([[User talk:Mccapra|talk]]) 20:34, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+* {{tfd links|Rtl-para}}
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ==== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Inge Bernstein]] ====
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 ==== [[Template:Infobox US Supreme court cases]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|Infobox US Supreme court cases}}
 Unused, seemingly redundant to [[Template:Infobox US Supreme Court case]]. [[User:Hog Farm|Hog Farm]] <sub> ''[[User talk:Hog Farm|Talk]]''</sub> 14:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 *This would have been a Speedy '''Delete''' per the former speedy T3 criterion. TFD is a formality in this case. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 19:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ==== [[Template:Tara Kemp track listing]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|Tara Kemp track listing}}
 Unused, could possibly only ever be used in one article, and a prose list is used there instead. [[User:Hog Farm|Hog Farm]] <sub> ''[[User talk:Hog Farm|Talk]]''</sub> 14:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''': redundant, the album article already has a track listing in the main body of the text, and this track listing can't be used on any other article. [[User:Richard3120|Richard3120]] ([[User talk:Richard3120|talk]]) 20:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ==== [[Template:(S1)]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|(S1)}}
 Per [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 November 13#Template:R1]], the S-phrase templates in [[:Category:S-phrase templates]]  should be deprecated, placed in [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell]], replaced with relevant P phrases and deleted when unused.
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 Pinging previous discussion participents: [[User:Tom (LT)]], [[User:Graeme Bartlett]], [[User:DePiep]], [[User:Izno]], [[User:Jonesey95]] and closer [[User:Primefac]]. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 *They have already been tagged for deletion for a while. They have already been deprecated for years. They should have been discussed along with R1, but I think the nomination was not adequate to list the affected templates. I support the idea to replace by P phrases, and I am about the only one doing that job. However deleting will make a mess in the history of all the most important chemical articles, including [[ethanol]]. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 10:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+* '''Support'''. Same treatment as [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2021_November_13#Template:R1|TfD:R1 set (13 Nov 2021)]] ([[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell/R-phrase|R1 holding pen]])
+:I note that replacement with GHS phrases is an expert job, not an algorithm. User:Graeme Bartlett is working on this (petcan check: from 572 on Nov 1st down to 332 today :-). IOW, the pen process is patient, fine. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 08:38, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ==== [[Template:Cross-wiki user]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
-* {{Tfd links|Cross-wiki user}}
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
-Used by only a single user on personal user pages. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 00:08, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
-* This template provides userspace links across wikiprojects, in the same way that {{tlx|sister project}} does so for articles. It's hasn't really been advertised, but there really isn't an appropriate substitute for this functionality. I'd be thrilled if we had an all-encompassing cross-wiki linking template that would recognize the different links for articles, user pages, template pages, etc. but until that time, these templates should be left available for users to get access across Wikimedia sister projects. [[User:Vanisaac|Van]][[User talk:Vanisaac|Isaac]], MPLL<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Vanisaac|cont]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"><small>[[WP:WPWR|WpWS]]</small></sub> 02:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
+The result of the discussion was '''relisted'''<!-- Tfd top --> on [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 December 4#Template:Cross-wiki user|2021 December 4]]. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 17:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' per nomination. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 17:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
+* {{tfd links|Cross-wiki_user}}
-*<s>'''Keep''' as serving a useful function, well within our userspace template tolerances – unless there's a better/easier way of doing the same thing.  This could, however, '''move''' to [[User:UBX/Userboxes/Wikipedia/Cross-wiki user]], then be listed at [[User:UBX/Userboxes/Wikipedia]].  We alreay migrated a large number of userboxes out of the Template namespace years ago and should do more of them. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 19:23, 16 November 2021 (UTC)</s>
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
-* '''Merge''' to some other template in [[:Category:Wikimedia account user templates]].  This appears to be redundant with pre-existing userboxes, at least in purpose if not exact feature-set. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 19:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
-*:{{ping|SMcCandlish}} I think you misunderstand the purpose then. This is not a userbox for advertising a person's cross-wiki activities, and does not really function as such. It is a tool for userpages so that editors can have access to their main links on sister projects, much like other cross-wiki templates provide links to sister project content in other namespaces. [[User:Vanisaac|Van]][[User talk:Vanisaac|Isaac]], MPLL<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Vanisaac|cont]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"><small>[[WP:WPWR|WpWS]]</small></sub> 06:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
-*::The only functional difference I can see between this and several templates already in that category is that this one provides talk, contribs, uploads, and watchlist links, which are features that can be added to a pre-existing template as parameters. Several of those other templates are also redundant and can merge away. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 08:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
-*:::I would be happy to relist this along with other templates you think are at least partially redundant to see what sort of merger we could accomplish. I originally made this template because I couldn't find anything to accomplish the task, so if that functionality is already present elsewhere, it should be merged, and we should be doing better at categorizing and linking those templates so that others can find them. [[User:Vanisaac|Van]][[User talk:Vanisaac|Isaac]], MPLL<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Vanisaac|cont]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"><small>[[WP:WPWR|WpWS]]</small></sub> 09:09, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
-*::::Without looking in subcategories, {{em|every}} template in that category appears to be redundant. A combined one could, with no parameters produce output like {{tlx|User SUL}}; with just a username, {{tlx|User unified}} or {{tlx|User global}}; with a username and a parameter for what one's "home" wiki and/or language are, the output of {{tlx|User SUL Box}} (which also renders the German-hardcoded {{tlx|User SUL-de}} and the fewer-options {{tlx|User SUL-bar}} completely pointless). I would suggest starting with {{tlx|User SUL Box}} which has the richest options, and adding parameters to display talk, contribs, etc. links when a "home" wiki is specified. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 18:48, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
-<p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' Mainly looking for more opinions on merge v. delete.<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 08:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
 ==== [[Template:100 Most Common Family Names in Mainland China]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
-* {{Tfd links|100 Most Common Family Names in Mainland China}}
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
-* {{Tfd links|101-200 Most Common Family Names in Mainland China}}
-Per precedent at [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_April_30#Template:Taiwan's_Top_100_surnames]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 07:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' Don't see the benefit in having this as a topic that needs a navbox. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+The result of the discussion was '''relisted'''<!-- Tfd top --> on [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 December 1#Template:100 Most Common Family Names in Mainland China|2021 December 1]]. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:21, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
+* {{tfd links|100_Most_Common_Family_Names_in_Mainland_China}}
+* {{tfd links|101-200_Most_Common_Family_Names_in_Mainland_China}}
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ==== [[Template:Usercat]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''redirect'''<!-- Tfd top --> to [[Template:User category]]. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 00:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|Usercat}}
 It's a pity that no one uses it now. [[User:Q28|Q28]] left a message at 00:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 :<small>You could use it, and then it wouldn't be orphaned :-) --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 04:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC) </small>
 * '''Redirect''' to [[Template:User category]], which seems to do the same thing. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ==== [[Template:Lowercase title/old]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. History merged as requested. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 00:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|Lowercase title/old}}
 It is no longer used. -- [[User:Q28|Q28]] left a message at 00:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * '''History merge to [[Template:Lowercase title]] and delete'''. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ==== [[Template:WelcomeMessage]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 00:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|WelcomeMessage}}
 This is a welcome template but no longer in use. [[User:Q28|Q28]] left a message at 00:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * '''Delete''' [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?sort=create_timestamp_desc&search=%22I%27m+an+editor+like+so+many+others%2C+and+I+just+thought+I%27d+say+hi%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1&ns2300=1&ns2301=1&ns2302=1&ns2303=1 Doesn't seem to have been substituted since 2014] [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+:'''Delete''' - better to centralize to a smaller number of welcome templates which can be kept up to date with the latest resources as [[Template:Welcome]] is. Also the look of that template is very dated. [[User:GKFX]]<sup>[[User talk:GKFX|talk]]</sup> 19:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>
 ==== [[Template:History of the Armée de l'Air]] ====
+<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
+:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''
+The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 00:30, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * {{Tfd links|History of the Armée de l'Air}}
 One thing I noticed is that this template is not being used. [[User:Q28|Q28]] left a message at 00:03, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
+* '''Comment''' it certainly could be put to work. [[History of the Armée de l'Air (1909–1942)]] has no navigation templates between eras of the Air Force, and this seems to fit the bill -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.246.43|65.92.246.43]] ([[User talk:65.92.246.43|talk]]) 03:28, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</div>