Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Universe 2010

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep or "nomination withdrawn", take your pick. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Miss Universe 2010

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nominated for AfD as it fails WP:CRYSTAL, does not even have a specific date or venue for the event established. Even the official website for Miss Universe, LP reads "coming soon" if you try to click to get any information on the upcoming pageant. Mmyers1976 (talk) 20:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. —Mmyers1976 (talk) 20:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

• Keep as it currently seems to pass the other parts of WP:CRYSTAL which says, "If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented." Just because the date and location of the actual pageant has not been finalized, there seems to be citations in the "Venue" section listing possible host cities. Also, the majority of the rest of the article goes on to list the several national pageants, whose winners do qualify to compete in the main Miss Universe one. So to basically sum up, there are citations for both speculated venues (like 2020 Summer Olympics, which lists possible host cities, but no final date yet) and possible candidates (like United States presidential election, 2012), which WP:CRYSTAL does permit. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:55, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment to Zzyzx11: You made an excellent point in the Miss Universe 2011 Afd, that "what is cited now could easily be merged into the main Miss Universe article." I think the same comment applies here. In fact, rather than cluttering Wikipedia with separate pages for each impeding annual installment of an annual recurring event like this, why don't we just have a section in the main article for giving information on the very next pageant, that gets updated every year?Mmyers1976 (talk) 15:17, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
• Keep per Zzyzx11 (GregJackP (talk) 14:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC))
• I disagree myself to this comment This should not be deleted as the contestants are currently being worked out. Doesn't matter about the venue, last year it tooked even longer and no one was bagging it themself. Miss Universe is a great contest not delete this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manhpham (talk • contribs) 00:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment to Manhpham - AfDs based on notability of an article do not place a judgement on whether or not the subject is "a great contest" (a subjective opinion, anyway), merely on whether or not the article meets the standards for inclusion in Wikipedia. It's not a value judgement.Mmyers1976 (talk) 15:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
• Comment: It appears that the AfD template was removed from Miss America 2010 on 9 April. Since the page was protected on 13 April, I cannot re-add the template. Would a passing admin please re-add the template? In light of this problem, it might also be advisable to extend this discussion so that all interested editors have a chance to see the template and comment here. Cnilep (talk) 21:19, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

if this article was deleted, then it will ruin everything because then we just have to make up a new one and the pageant i coming up in August. You don't see Miss World 2010 getting deleted because the venue isn't even announce yet or Miss Earth 2010 where it is held in Vietnam but the venue isn't know yet so why bother with this. Miss Universe article should stay! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manhpham (talk • contribs) 09:34, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. With enough digging, it shouldn't be too hard to find enough sources to figure that, barring a major unforeseeable issue,

1. the pageant will take place;
2. it will be a major event;
3. there's already a lot of hype about it.

Just because the venue is not yet known does not mean the event fails to meet WP:CRYSTAL guidelines. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 16:27, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

• Keep if it will be held this year, and if, like the previous ones it will be notable, it's sufficiently soon to have an article to put the information as it accumulates. DGG ( talk ) 00:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
• Keep per DGG. Willking1979 (talk) 01:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

• Keep per TNM The contest will be held this year and for the next four years. I think we should be careful in citation information an example is MISS HAITI. That is not a valid source. This page change TOO much based on opinions not FACTS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.166.13.99 (talk) 12:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
• Keep. The page is awash in unreliable sources and unsourced speculation, is a magnet for edit warring, and seems to be in constant need of clean-up. But none of those are reasons to delete. The pageant itself is notable, and there is already some news about competitors, etc. being published in independent sources. Cnilep (talk) 13:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
• Comment - I see the consensus is to keep, and as the person who nominated the article for deletion, I am fine with keeping it too now, I did template it for cleanup and improvement of referencesMmyers1976 (talk) 21:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - likely to be held, and will likely be notable. Bearian (talk) 00:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.