Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jared Followill

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The result was merge to Kings of Leon. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 11:24, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Jared Followill

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Member of a notable band. However, does not appear to have any significant solo activity outside of Kings of Leon (Wikipedia:MUSICBIO see italics at the end), relevant information here can easily be incorporated into band article. Another band is listed, however it does not appear to notable (as of now at least, should be the main crux of the discussion I think), thus the caveat does not apply here. Fixer23 (talk) 01:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Just did some research on the "Jane Shermans", it should be disregarded. Followill is not a part of this band, which brings to question why it is even mentioned in "Associated Acts". One of the Jane Shermans "discovered" Kings of Leon. Thus, this should be pretty clear cut. Fixer23 (talk) 01:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

• Keep. This person is of sufficient status to meet general notability criteria on his own. Although he did come to fame only for being a member of one band, the interviews which reliable sources are collecting are pointedly personal and probe into him as an artist and not as a member of an ensemble. The article's subject seems to be a celebrity figure in his own right. The Sun Village Voice MTV It seems that this might be the case for all the band members, because they all get questioned in interviews for their opinions on musical technique. I am cross-posting this argument on the other band members' AfD debates. Blue Rasberry (talk) 04:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
• Speedy keep per Blue Rasberry. I'll admit, I really wasn't sure about this either way when I first saw it. MobileSnail 04:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

But the caveat in the policy applies to "individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases," surely attaining minor "celebrity status" does not qualify as significant activity. The policy takes into account that there will be independent coverage, but all with regard to the band's activity as a whole, obviously interviews are not going to always be conducted with all the members present. I'm not sure being asked separately about their instruments (in the context of their work in the band) constitues individual notability/activity. Surely being more popular member doesn't immediately qualify as notability? Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of them have reached the status of being a household name outside of the band (which could make this discussion less obvious). I think the main point here is that there should be "individual notability for activity independent of the band," the argument that someone "famous for being famous" sometimes qualify for articles based on notability established by individual coverage. However, in this case, individual coverage is inevitable and in the cases of pages of members of groups, those individuals have done work to differentiate themselves from their group, such as side projects, film, solo albums etc. Here, it is not demonstrated. Fixer23 (talk) 06:07, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

• Merge. Much of this info is already in the parent article, and some of the rest duplicates the article on his brother (which should also be merged). Chick Bowen 00:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
• Merge to Kings of Leon. Dragquennom (talk) 12:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
• Merge to Kings of Leon per Chick Bowen. There is not significant third party coverage of this musician to satisfy WP:MUSICBIO and should be merged back into the group article. -Atmoz (talk) 16:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
• Merge to Kings of Leon. All three sources provided by Bluerasberry (talk · contribs) are interviews, which are considered primary sources since they mainly involve the subject talking about himself. There is little secondary discussion about Jared Followill and none independent of discussion about the band. I agree with the above three participants that the biography of this band member should be merged to the band. Cunard (talk) 05:55, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

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