Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Panrawat Kittikorncharoen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Tim Song (talk) 15:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Panrawat Kittikorncharoen

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I cannot find any sources that confer notability for this musician. I also don't see how his Thai pop group, D2B is notable. Angryapathy (talk) 16:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

• What's wrong with this : [1] ? Obituary in a national newspaper. Claritas (talk) 17:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. -- --Darkwind (talk) 17:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- --Darkwind (talk) 17:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• D2B easily satisfies WP:MUSIC #5, being one of RS Promotion's main acts at the time. Big's notability is derived from that of D2B's as well as the huge fan and press interest following his accident which lasted long enough to bypass NOT1E. --115.67.168.181 (talk) 17:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
  • The article is most certainly not a BLP. --115.67.56.232 (talk) 18:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• Comment There seem to be some sources in Thai - quite a few hits on their name in Thai. So...I'm not sure; I've asked a Thai speaker to take a look.  Chzz  ►  01:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment บิ๊ก ดีทูบี returns about 600k result however only some of them can be used if illustrating notability is required, since many of them links to his illness and death (press release and personal expression in online blog) along with copyright violation materials such as clips, streaming music, etc... I agree that individual member of the group may not notable enough for seperating the article, but for D2B, it hits, as 115. IP says. --Harley Hartwell (talk) 02:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• I will consult with User:Harley Hartwell in 1 day and let he do that in best choice soon.(About 1 or 2 days.) --EQ San (talk) 13:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• Redirect and merge I believe that Panrawat's article may not meet the Notability about musicians, however Discussion between me and EQ San (talk · contribs) results that the content in Panrawat Kittikorncharoen should be moved to D2B (band) and redirect the article "Panrawat" to D2B (band). Merging the content about the accident and death of one member into the band's page is similar to Izumi Sakai's death that has briefly been written in Zard article, but such content about Panrawat's death has not been mentioned in the band's page with verifiable source. --Harley Hartwell (talk) 02:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
  • I withdrawn my comment Let all anonymous editor gave us his/her own comment. -Harley Hartwell (talk) 05:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Also note that his name was "Apichet Kittikorncharoen" for most of his lifetime (though the article fails to properly note the fact). Searching for his birth name provides more results and evidence of interest. --115.67.138.205 (talk) 18:48, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
• Delete. Only questionable sources have been unearthed. Even controlling for FUTON bias, nothing has come up since the article was nominated well over two weeks ago. tedder (talk) 06:45, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
  • "Medicine flown from Australia in bid to save Thai pop idol", AAP, via the Sydney Morning Herald.[2] this Time article, "The Lethal Problem with Bangkok's Canals" discusses his accident in its introduction.[3] Thirty gnews hits for "Kittikorncharoen", all of which concern the subject, though not all primarily. --115.67.73.30 (talk) 09:23, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• @ ALL IPs, Please consider Log In or create your own account to make sure that you do not have conflict of interest about Big's topic. We are discussing about the notability of the singer as the primary concern, according to the nominator's reason for nominating this article for deletion. Without notability, the article would never exists here, in English Wikipedia, which contains more regulations and guidelines than Thai Wikipedia, where the article about Big himself can be seperated. --Harley Hartwell (talk) 03:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I thought that it was obvious that all IPs in this discussion are from the same editor, being in the same IP range. Since I didn't log in when I first contributed to the discussion, having the signatures remain this way should be least confusing to other editors. Logging in wouldn't alleviate conflict of interest issues, either, since Wikipedia accounts are anonymous. You may be thinking of sockpuppetry or AfD-pushing, which shouldn't be a concern, since I have now clearly stated that all the IPs in the range in this discussion are mine, and I haven't submitted any !votes. Appraising anonymous comments is at the discretion of the closing admin. I don't edit the Thai Wikipedia, by the way. --115.67.5.199 (talk) 10:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
• Keep and Stubify - there is adequate evidence of notability. Claritas (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - I have no idea how to search for Thai language information on teh interweb, but the one source viewed pragmatically indicates there will be others. Yes the article needs an overhaul but article quality is no reason for deletion. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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