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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle For Pennsylvania

Fails WP:NEO and WP:N. An unsourced mess of original research and unattributed POV. There's no evidence that "Battle For Pennsylvania" is a notable name for this rivalry, nor is there any evidence that this is a rivalry of note. Mosmof (talk) 14:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- As a lifelong Pennsylvanian and Phillies fan, I can say I've never heard of any such "battle". The lack of sourcing doesn't help either, and leads me to believe the article is whole lot of original research. Umbralcorax (talk) 15:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: ~50 seemingly relevant GHits. As many relevant hits for NHL - rather than NFL - rivalries. Of those remaining ones, very few come from credible sources. Generally limited to fantasy football/the blogosphere. The New Yorks Times, when talking about a game, does refer to it in passing (here):

The game is being framed by the local news media as a battle for Pennsylvania. We're always looking to cast these games as wars and battles. But I spent two days driving from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh and didn't find any evidence of animosity. There were no Eagles hanging in effigy, no posters deriding Pittsburghers as morons.

...but only to deride the term. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 19:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, other similar articles have been brought up to a good standard (though their terms are more widespread). - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 19:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. —Borgarde (talk) 07:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 00:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not a real rivalry. Secret ^account 14:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'm a Pirates fan, and I've never heard of this. The two teams haven't even been in the same division since the '90s, so they play only two series every year. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 15:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 Fails [[WP:NEO]] and [[WP:N]]. An unsourced mess of original research and unattributed POV. There's no evidence that "Battle For Pennsylvania" is a notable name for this rivalry, nor is there any evidence that this is a rivalry of note. [[User:Mosmof|Mosmof]] ([[User talk:Mosmof|talk]]) 14:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
+'''Delete'''- As a lifelong Pennsylvanian and Phillies fan, I can say I've never heard of any such "battle". The lack of sourcing doesn't help either, and leads me to believe the article is whole lot of [[WP:OR|original research]]. [[User:Umbralcorax|Umbralcorax]] ([[User talk:Umbralcorax|talk]]) 15:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
+'''Comment''': ~50 seemingly relevant GHits. As many relevant hits for NHL - rather than NFL - rivalries. Of those remaining ones, very few come from credible sources. Generally limited to fantasy football/the blogosphere. The New Yorks Times, when talking about a game, does refer to it in passing ([http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/06/sports/football/06rhoden.html here]):
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+The game is being framed by the local news media as a battle for Pennsylvania. We're always looking to cast these games as wars and battles. But I spent two days driving from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh and didn't find any evidence of animosity. There were no Eagles hanging in effigy, no posters deriding Pittsburghers as morons.
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+...but only to deride the term. - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]] <sup>([[User_talk:Jarry1250|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|c]])</sup> 19:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
+:On the other hand, other similar articles have been brought up to a good standard (though their terms are more widespread). - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]] <sup>([[User_talk:Jarry1250|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|c]])</sup> 19:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
+*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Baseball|list of Baseball-related deletion discussions]]. </small><small>—[[User:Borgarde|Borgarde]] ([[User talk:Borgarde|talk]]) 07:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)</small>
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+*'''Delete''' not a real rivalry. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 14:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Delete'''. I'm a Pirates fan, and I've never heard of this. The two teams haven't even been in the same division since the '90s, so they play only two series every year. -[[User:Hit bull, win steak|Hit bull, win steak]]<sup>[[User talk:Hit bull, win steak|(Moo!)]]</sup> 15:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
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