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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 00:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tomato Torrent

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Non-notable software. PROD was removed by adding "sorces" with a link to the product home page. Searching for sources on books.google shows up a reference that says it exists, a copy of wikipedia, and a coupon for a free copy of the software for a subscription to some magazine. Scholar.google shows non-english sources that are not apparently about this software. Miami33139 (talk) 06:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are now multiple sources on the article, all of which are trivial.
- 1. onsoftware.com, blog and questionable source, not obviously reliable, not obviously unreliable. No matter, because two paragraphs in a list of other products are a trivial mention.
  2. techmixer, blog. one paragraph trivial mention in a directory.
  3. torrentfreak, blog. one paragraph trivial mention in a directory with download link
  4. tuaw, reliable source when they do something significant, this is an entirely routine trivial mention consisting of a paragraph announcing a new version.
  5. pure-mac, unreliable source, this is just a download directory.
  6. macnews.de, routine product version update, one paragraph.
  7. macnn.com, download directory
  8. macapper.com, blog, one paragraph in a list of other products is a trivial mention.

- Miami33139 (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I've added 8 references already. Not every reference is trivial, in the aggregate they are not trivial, and its not as if I even tried to add every reference I could find. I had never heard of this product before today, but the sources tell me it was a significantly popular mac bittorrent client. Deja vu of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FrostWire, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zinf (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MacAmp (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kopete, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PIRCH, etc.--Milowent (talk) 22:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Did a search and believe in the aggregate the references are not trivial. - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Google news search shows it mentioned in 21 places which Google considers news. I don't consider any mention of software being used, to be trivial. There just isn't a lot you can say about this. It gets mentioned, because its notable. Dream Focus 02:27, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So if my model of toaster gets mentioned in the news for being used, it becomes notable? Miami33139 (talk) 04:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Good work sourcing the article, Milowent. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 16:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 Non-notable software. PROD was removed by adding "sorces" with a link to the product home page. Searching for sources on books.google shows up a reference that says it exists, a copy of wikipedia, and a coupon for a free copy of the software for a subscription to some magazine. Scholar.google shows non-english sources that are not apparently about this software. [[User:Miami33139|Miami33139]] ([[User talk:Miami33139|talk]]) 06:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
-*There are now five sources on the article, all of which are trivial.
+*There are now multiple sources on the article, all of which are trivial.
 **# onsoftware.com, blog and questionable source, not obviously reliable, not obviously unreliable. No matter, because two paragraphs in a list of other products are a trivial mention.
 **# techmixer, blog. one paragraph trivial mention in a directory.
 **# torrentfreak, blog. one paragraph trivial mention in a directory with download link
-**# tuaw, reliable source when they do something significant, this is [[WP:ROUTINE|an entirely routine]] trivial mention consisting of announcing a new version.
+**# tuaw, reliable source when they do something significant, this is [[WP:ROUTINE|an entirely routine]] trivial mention consisting of a paragraph announcing a new version.
 **# pure-mac, unreliable source, this is just a download directory.
+**# macnews.de, routine product version update, one paragraph.
+**# macnn.com, download directory
+**# macapper.com, blog, one paragraph in a list of other products is a trivial mention.
 **[[User:Miami33139|Miami33139]] ([[User talk:Miami33139|talk]]) 21:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Keep'''.  I've added 8 references already. Not every reference is trivial, in the aggregate they are not trivial, and its not as if I even tried to add every reference I could find.  I had never heard of this product before today, but the sources tell me it was a significantly popular mac bittorrent client.  Deja vu of [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FrostWire]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zinf (2nd nomination)]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MacAmp (2nd nomination)]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kopete]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PIRCH]], etc.--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] ([[User talk:Milowent|talk]]) 22:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Keep:''' Did a [http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&as_q=computers&as_epq=Tomato+Torrent+&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images search] and believe in the aggregate the references are not trivial. - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof|talk]]) 15:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' Google news search shows it mentioned in 21 places which Google considers news.  I don't consider any mention of software being used, to be trivial.  There just isn't a lot you can say about this.  It gets mentioned, because its notable. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 02:27, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
+:So if my model of toaster gets mentioned in the news for being used, it becomes notable? [[User:Miami33139|Miami33139]] ([[User talk:Miami33139|talk]]) 04:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' Good work sourcing the article, Milowent. [[User:A Stop at Willoughby|A Stop at Willoughby]] ([[User talk:A Stop at Willoughby|talk]]) 16:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
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