Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manzoor Pashteen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Lourdes 19:29, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Manzoor Pashteen

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Perhaps only "notable" for WP:1E. It should be deleted and redirected to Pashtun Protection Movement, the protest headed by him. The majority of the text is similar in both articles. I don't see him passing WP:GNG for lack of in-depth coverage.  samee  ^talk 13:10, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.  samee  ^talk 13:16, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  samee  ^talk 13:17, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

• Keep. The article is listed as a stub, and created only recently. Manzoor Pashteen got a lot of news coverage and attention worldwide (including Voice of America, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Al Jazeera, and many other sources), hence the notability is fulfilled. I think we should wait for other editors' contribution and expansion of the article. Khestwol (talk) 13:18, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

This article is not a stub.  samee  ^talk 13:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

The article was created five days ago. It was a stub until today. You removed the template after I made my last comment here. I think the stub template must be readded to the article. Khestwol (talk) 13:34, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) An article can stay stub even for five years (it is not time-dependent). I removed it because the length of the article suggests it is a start-class one.  samee  ^talk 13:43, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

• Delete I was considering to nominate this for deletion a while back but missed it. The subject is clearly notable for only one event therefore delete... on the other hand, there is not much about the subject himself in the BLP, the apparent reason is RS only namechecked him.. --Saqib (talk) 13:19, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

The article is only a few days old, hence the small size. I think, since Manzoor Pashteen has became so famous since the long march (February 1-10), now other editors will expand it considerably in the coming months. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 14:48, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

• Delete and then redirect it to suggested target. Störm (talk) 18:50, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Reason Störm? Khestwol (talk) 04:14, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Redirect or merge would be better. Störm (talk) 14:11, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

• Update: Now the section "Early life and education" has been added. The reference used is from Voice of America Deewa (Pashto), which published "Manzoor Pashteen Profile" just today. English sources will also be added when they are published. Khestwol (talk) 05:44, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
• Keep. Manzoor Ahmad Pashteen & Pashtun Protection Movement are in news everywhere. The only place people looking for information is Wikipedia. These Hash Tags #PashtunLongMarch & #PashtunRejectStateTerrorism makes it more viral for globe to search for what's happening. Please Keep it as it in need of the day. I will vote positive. FWd82 (talk) 10:35, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
• Keep I will agree with FWd82 here. Wikipedia is one of the first places people get their information from regarding any topic. It was a big and popular protest among the of Pashtuns of both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Manzoor Pashteen was the main organizer. He did receive a lot of social media coverage and most of the news articles cover him along with the event. He is an activist and yes he wasn't well known before this event, but now he is. The article should be kept. Ketabtoon (talk) 04:36, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
• Redirect to Pashtun Protection Movement.  M A A Z   T A L K  12:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I am changing my mind on this as the subject is in fact gaining notability [1], [2]. So it does pass WP:GNG now, therefore I'm changing my vote to keep.  M A A Z   T A L K  13:27, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Reason? Please note that Google search now returns more than a thousand results for Manzoor Pashteen (including reputable media sources indicating his worldwide coverage). He is becoming more and more popular each day. Therefore, WP:Notability is not an issue. Khestwol (talk) 04:14, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

• Update: the section Pashtun Long March in the article Manzoor Pashteen has been shortened and copy edited. Also, the article "Pashtun Protection Movement" has been moved to Pashtun Tahafuz Movement, the common name found in news, and other secondary sources. Khestwol (talk) 16:44, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
• Comment too many keep votes with no valid logic or argument.. this is not a vote.. --Saqib (talk) 16:48, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

On the contrary, the two persons who merely !voted, without stating any reasons, are the delete !voters (Storm and Maaz). I have asked both of them for their rationale, so far no response. Also, the nom's comment that "The majority of the text is similar in both articles" is no longer valid now. Khestwol (talk) 18:06, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Question: can an article about a person who gains so much attention in international mainstream media be deleted? Khestwol (talk) 21:49, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SpinningSpark 00:01, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

• Merge The references appear to cover him almost entirely in connection with the movement. There is of course the possibility of a separate article later on. DGG ( talk ) 22:38, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

The Pashto-language VOA (Voice of America) reference cited in the article covers his personal life. Its title translate to "Who is Manzoor Pashteen?" Also please note the relatively high number of views the page has got although it's just a new page. Manzoor Pashteen was viewed 2,566 times since Feb 6. It implies Wikipedia users are interested to view the page Manzoor Pashteen. Khestwol (talk) 08:16, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

That's not the criteria. The deleted Priya Prakash Varrier article has significant page views and yet the page was deleted. I am still not convinced about his notability. The listed references are like news reports and they don't cover the subject in depth, some references do not even mention him.  samee  ^talk 14:36, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, but Priya Prakash Varrier, which was deleted despite having more than 1,000,000 views, is a very rare example. It doesn't imply that Manzoor Pashteen should be deleted too. I think there doesn't appear to be a consensus yet to delete this article. Khestwol (talk) 13:50, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

As I said earlier that's not a criteria. Therefore, I did not mean that this article be deleted based on page views or the consensus has reached to do so.  samee  ^talk 21:42, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 15:57, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

• Note for the closing admin: More and more mainstream media news sources cover Manzoor Pashteen, who has became the main leader of the current uprising by the Pashtuns. The number of times Pashteen is being mentioned by sources keeps increasing with each passing day (LINK). Pashteen is currently leading a Long March to Quetta attracting a lot of attention from the international media. Khestwol (talk) 13:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 05:59, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

• Delete Per nom.—TripWire^{________ʞlɐʇ} 08:21, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

The delete !voters must elaborate their reason. And not simply !vote. The purpose of this discussion is not to only !vote, but to also present arguments. The nom's arguments no longer apply to Manzoor Pashteen because the article has significantly changed as of now. The article is no longer similar to Pashtun Tahafuz Movement. And Manzoor Pashteen has got many times more in-depth coverage as of now, when compared to the coverage received a month ago. Khestwol (talk) 16:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

• The New York Times article doesn't mention him even once. The Radio Free Europe article [3] mentions the demonstrations he has organized. [4] just has him quoted for the problems they are protesting. Does he get any coverage about him, or do they only mention him organizing the protest they are covering or quote the reasons he gave for them? Dream Focus 04:21, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Did you check the other sources? Khestwol (talk) 13:25, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

No, and I didn't say delete either since not sure if any of them are coverage of him yet. Dream Focus 15:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

• Al Jazeera published this article [5] ("Manzoor Pashteen: The voice of Pashtuns for many in Pakistan") about Manzoor Pashteen today. Also today, articles were published in several local and international media about him ([6], [7], [8], [9]). As of now, there should be no doubt about his notability because of the high popularity Pashteen received in a little time. Khestwol (talk) 13:25, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

[10] is significant coverage about him. Dream Focus 15:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

• Keep The media is covering him enough and enough information about him for his own article. Most sources cited just mention his movement, not much about him at all so hard to sort through all of the results, but some do give him significant coverage such as Aljazeera. Also WP:ANYBIO 2. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field I think counts towards him also. Dream Focus 15:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.