Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Lonely Goatherd

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. kingboyk 13:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The Lonely Goatherd

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The article doesn't seem to assert much notability. Though The Sound of Music is famous and notable, this article doesn't say much other than that it has yodeling and was interpolated by Gwen Stefani. (see below) ShadowHalo 07:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep. This song is one of the better-known Sound of Music songs, instantly recognizable among anyone who is even a casual fan of musicals and musical films, and also a good example of yodeling. It is certainly more notable than a large number of other lesser-known musical/musical film related songs that are on Wikipedia without question. If this one were deleted for lack of notability, huge swaths of (for example) Mary Poppins would have to be called into question too. (For that matter, I would call into question a whole lot of the hip-hop songs I've examined in the past month.)

I've stubbed it to account for the fact that it has insufficient content. Insufficient content is also not grounds for deletion. To my mind, it's better to be conservative about prodding songs that aren't clearly violations of policy, especially in musical genres you don't know well, and most especially if they are stubs. Nerwen 08:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable enough song. Note also the fact that it is used as fodder for academic arguments: "Where Die Trapp Familie studiously describes the Austrian bank failure of 1928 and suggests some of the turmoil of the interwar period, The Sound of Music reconstitutes interwar Austria as a historic and tourist-attracting place. This shift in cultural atmosphere is best characterized by the substitution of the puppet play The Lonely Goatherd for Sleeping Beauty. Instead of staging an allegory of a slumbering Austrian people, the musical invokes and reinvents Austria’s folk culture in the form of a kitschy puppet play with wooden marionettes dressed up in traditional clothing." - R. Starkman, The Historical Journal of Film, Radio and Television, 2000; and also the paper "No Nonsense: The Logic and Power of Acoustic-Iconic Mnemonic Systems" in the British Journal of Ethnomusicology, that suggests that it incorporates 'pseudo-yodelling', which 'weakly follows' 'second-formant frequency'. I have no idea what all that means, but I love JSTOR. Hornplease 08:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Other indirect signs of notability can be found by looking at "What links here" for that page. It has been adapted for the soundtrack of Moulin Rouge!, and parodied by an episode of Family Guy and an album of Forbidden Broadway. It would also have a better mention in Yodeling than the brief note I put in yesterday, except that Yodeling seems to be having an edit war over its list of examples (check its history). Nerwen 17:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per the helpful and interesting comments above. StAnselm 14:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep This song is all over the place, though I am no a fan of the musical.Drjem3 21:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• Keep well known and notable. Carlossuarez46 22:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Based on Nerwen's expansion, I don't think the article should be deleted. ShadowHalo 10:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Yay! :D Nerwen 11:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.