Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Vincent (disambiguation)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The addition of other Sam/Samuel Vincent entries means hatnotes are no longer sufficient and the disambiguation page does not fall afoul of WP:TWODABS. (non-admin closure) clpo13_(talk) 16:28, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Sam Vincent (disambiguation)

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This is an unnecessary disambiguation whose use has been superseded by hatnotes. Disambiguation is not needed for Sam Vincent since the voice actor goes by Samuel Vincent, but hatnotes are there for navigation between the two. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:49, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:49, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Keep. As I previously said to Tavix: it's not because of a WP:TWODABS that a disambiguation page can't exist. It's not bothering anyone, so why remove it? It might come in handy in future.--Midas02 (talk) 19:23, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually, WP:TWODABS says otherwise: If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, and one is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page is not needed—it is sufficient to use a hatnote on the primary topic article, pointing to the other article. And that's exactly what we have here: the basketball player is the primary topic for Sam Vincent, and it could refer to Samuel Vincent, so we use hatnotes. We also have precedent for deleting the disambiguation when that is the case. See, for example, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oscar Danielson (disambiguation) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luc Thériault (disambiguation). Finally, if another Sam Vincent becomes notable in the future, it doesn't take much effort to recreate the dab. Until then, WP:CRYSTALBALL applies here—we don't know when, or if, that may happen. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Delete: unnecessary - hatnotes do the work better. PamD 23:30, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

@Tavix: and @PamD:. Tavix, that's not what Twodabs states, it merely states it is not required. What's the rational for deleting? It seems like a waste of time. --Midas02 (talk) 16:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

@Midas02: The dab page is unnecessary as the existing two articles can be best connected by hatnotes (readers only need one click to get to the other article if they've found the wrong one). More than that, it's slightly dangerous to leave it lying around: if someone created a new "Sam Vincent (xyz)" article, and found the dab page, they might list it there which would mean it's not linked from Samuel Vincent. At that point they should either expand the hatnote there, or create a new dab page. So deleting the dab page is removing something unnecessary which could potentially cause confusion in the future. PamD 17:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

That's a difference of opinion PamD. Someone would really have to be paying little attention to modify the dab page without noticing there is a primary topic. Again, I don't see the point, but it's not like I care much either. What I can not allow, however, is that people would pretend deleting is policy. Unless I'm mistaken, it is not. --Midas02 (talk) 17:41, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

But deletion is a policy: Wikipedia:Deletion policy. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:58, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

And the relationship with Twodabs being? --Midas02 (talk) 18:07, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• Keep I looked to see if there were missing valid entries and added 3. Boleyn (talk) 17:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Boleyn, don't know if you checked the Samuel Vincents as well. There are some of them lingering around. At least the captain seems notable, check Action of August 1702 and List of mayors of Richmond. --Midas02 (talk) 17:41, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• Withdraw per Boleyn. I have no idea how you find some of these, but your work is excellent. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:38, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

User:Tavix, try Dispenser's Dabfix. There was another tool to track down red links, but I forgot where to find it. --Midas02 (talk) 17:41, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Tavix. I did use Dabfix which shows up redlinks, but I mainly just typed 'Sam Vincent' into the search box, clicked on 'containing Sam Vincent' and scrolled through articles which mention 'Sam Vincent', looking for ones which were unlikely to be the two already listed. Boleyn (talk) 17:49, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.