Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maripily Rivera

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 19:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Maripily Rivera

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Non-notable model from Puerto Rico, best known for being married to baseball star Roberto Alomar. Blackjays1 (talk) 05:22, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:37, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:37, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:37, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Oppose. Meets WP:BASIC quite easily since she has been covered by a plethora of independent & secondary reliable sources. Most of them in Spanish:

• from People: [1]
• from El Nuevo Día: [2]
• from The Huffington Post: [3]
• from Univisión: [4]
• from the New York Daily News: [5]
• from the Associated Press: [6]
• from Metro International: [7]

...and so on.

—Ahnoneemoos (talk) 23:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

• Merge/ Redirect to hudband's article. Candleabracadabra (talk) 23:59, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

• Keep. The subject is also an actress and a TV show co-host. I have added additional information to reflect this. BTW, the article was marked with the stub template, which --at a minimum-- can help relay to other editors that the subject of the article presummed notable but needs more information. The article needed additional information and some additional info has been provided that clarifies notability and reflects the subjects' relevance. Mercy11 (talk) 02:07, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Comment. Despite your recent edits, this article still appears to be a product of inherited notability. I'll admit, she may have a minor level of notability as a TV personality, but her "rise to acting fame" (as noted in the article) consists of a minor role in one film and an appearance in a theatre production. Her modeling career isn't very notable either; she hasn't appeared in any major fashion magazines. When I searched for "Maripily Rivera" on Google, about 75% of the results were just paparazzi/gossip sites with her pictures and details of her personal life. I still think the article should be deleted, but I would also support a merger with the Alomar article. Blackjays1 (talk) 18:22, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

At Wikipedia we decide delete nominations based on consensus, not on whether or not something "appears" to be something. Over a dozen unique references from independent secondary reliable sources were provided in the article, plus another list is provided in this discussion by another editor. The consensus so far is that every non drive-by editor here familiar with the subject of the article has objected to the delete. Also, we don't categorize notability as you have (" minor level of notability"): someone is notable or is not. The pertinent notability criteria is summarized at WP:ANS, and this article fulfills all criteria ("significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject") several times over, as required HERE. If your objection now is with the use of the phrase "her rise to acting fame" then this is really a WP:Content dispute and WP:DISPUTE needs to be followed, not WP:AFD. But if you are saying she is not notable because she doesn't appear in any of the magazines listed at Wikipedia's List of fashion magazines article that you wikilinked us to, then that would be a fallacy for two reasons: (1) WP:N and WP:PEOPLE make no mention of appearing in a fashion magazine as a prerequisite to being considered notable, and (2) you haven't proved she doesn't appear in any of those magazines, you have simply speculated she doesn't. In any event, if you found about 75% of Google results on her were gossip sites, that would be consistent with someone, anyone, who is in show business, as is the case of this actress/model/TV host. Merging would not be appropriate here either as her article can stand on its own right. Mercy11 (talk) 13:47, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm aware of the fact that this nomination is based on consensus, otherwise I wouldn't have nominated it in the first place. Since you put your own spin on my words, let me clarify a few things for you: Rivera is a model, actress, and TV personality, therefore it made sense for me to confirm her lack of notability by searching for evidence of it in each of her professions. I was not implying that she had to appear in a major fashion magazine in order for her to be notable, but it certainly helps, and since she's a model, major fashion magazines should be the first place to search for notability. I also didn't have to prove that she didn't appear in those magazines, because I did extensive research, it wasn't speculation. As for her "acting fame", I didn't have a problem with you using that term (thus rendering a WP:DISPUTE pointless), but I quoted it to show that it was unwise to use that term, especially since her acting career is not notable (which is still a WP:AFD issue). Once again, you may have a case when it comes to her TV career, but I stand by my original opinion: delete or merge. Maybe a weak keep, but I wouldn't go that far. Blackjays1 (talk) 01:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• Keep She was already a TV personality and a celebrity before Alomar. A proper google search will show continuous media coverage, to the point of obsession, by major Spanish media as the Puerto Rican newspaper El Nuevo Dia. And searching Google News will produce recent news article that are not related to her relationship with Alomar so a merger is not appropriate. I understand that most of the sources are in Spanish but this is never a reason for deletion. --Jmundo (talk) 19:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 06:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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• Keep From what I can tell (not having heard of her before this), she is non-notable in all the professions listed in the article (model, actress, TV personality), as well as several not listed (journalist, businessperson, fashion designer); however, I think she has attained notability as a celebrity, famous simply for being famous, within a sizable consumer demographic. While it seems an oddly post-modernist criterion, Wikipedia:ENT#Entertainers considers celebrities who have “a large fan base or a significant ‘cult’ following” to be notable, regardless of whether they've done anything notable. It's also worth bearing in mind that Puerto Rico has a population around 1% of the US population, so level of fame/celebrity within that community should be viewed somewhat relatively. Regarding the lack of fashion magazine covers mentioned earlier, a pre-2007 (before associating with Alomar) google search suggests her modeling career was as a bikini model rather than fashion model. --Agyle (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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